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00:02:44,701\n注入新的活力然後老人也活得更有尊嚴所以農村再生的存在其實是非常非常重要尤其他是一個由下而上是有農村自主然後很多農民跟在地鄉親的想法是得以發揮的那我現在也給這個部長看一下其實我們在雲林其實這些農在\n\n9\n00:02:45,962 --> 00:03:11,108\n都發展得非常好這是我們整個雲林的成果當初農在條例通過的時候本期是每一村每一村到村裡面去宣傳說請他們一定要成立社區發展協會也一定要參加培根計畫這個效果非常的好但是我們擔心如果農在基金用完了怎麼辦整個農村以後未來要怎麼辦部長你覺得這對於我們整個台灣發展會有什麼樣的影響\n\n10\n00:03:15,345 --> 00:03:30,451\n我想第一個部分就是農村再生計畫到目前為止大概有將近497億那足以支應我們113到116的那116以後可能會見底但是在這個過程中我想行政院本身在\n\n11\n00:03:30,871 --> 00:03:31,291\n一、本院委員\n\n12\n00:03:56,553 --> 00:04:21,281\n我跟委員說明,就是這個牽涉到因為預算的編列是由行政單位來編的當然,那個部分我不是要逼你去說你可以,但是我想要知道說你支不支持我想經費本身是一個推動我們農村再生重要的一個支柱啦這些經費能夠有持續性的經費是最好\n\n13\n00:04:21,561 --> 00:04:24,644\n所以你是贊成的。當然,我們就是要並行啊,我們要提案你們才會積極認真趕快去爭取啊。所以呢,我想要知道另外一個就是國土計劃法。\n\n14\n00:04:39,396 --> 00:04:56,989\n國土計畫法對於農地農村的使用分區是再難以變更再難以進行變更這等於是宣告說未來農村發展將被進一步的限制然後年輕人更不願意留在農村部長你怎麼看\n\n15\n00:04:57,749 --> 00:05:07,520\n我想國土計畫就算未來開始114年4月如果順利執行的時候他還有一個通盤檢討的機制就是每五年可以通盤檢討但是你覺得我們準備好了嗎你覺得這個國土計畫法是明年真的可以實施嗎\n\n16\n00:05:12,645 --> 00:05:31,343\n我個人認為就是因為現在國土計畫是不是應該更完善一點呢?是應該現在還有地方針對不管是以農業部分的農一農二本身的一個編列還有農三的部分會有一些爭議所以還需要時間讓他們去比較仔細的去做所以部長也是同意說應該暫緩?\n\n17\n00:05:32,904 --> 00:05:53,849\n如果這個要看喔,因為谷土計畫不只是農業的部分,還有其他的部分,那農業的部分如果有更多的時間,我覺得是可以讓這個計畫更完整的上路。沒錯,本席也同意這件事情應該是要降緩,把所有的配套不管是你農業部的其他部會的都把它都做好之後再去實施,否則後面喔\n\n18\n00:05:54,709 --> 00:06:17,230\n會亂成一鍋粥。」這一點我也很感謝部長講出你真實的看法因為我們的確要執行之前需要多一點耐心把所有的細節都盤點好盤整好再去實施那另外就是有關於公糧收購的價格上一次也是本席提的13年前那之前本席有問過部長\n\n19\n00:06:18,251 --> 00:06:38,783\n部長說要等520之後才能決定,那我想知道說其實離520只剩下5天啊,部長你決定了沒有?我跟委員說明齁,就是沒有錯,您所提到的這10年來物價上漲以農業來講,以稻作來講,我們做全國性的一個平均大概10%\n\n20\n00:06:40,204 --> 00:07:04,502\n但是同樣的他的產量也提高了所以以公斤為單位來算的話他的成本增加了大概2%這是第一件事情因為基本上我覺得你的算法我們也可以坐下來好好談那目前我們大院已經二讀通過要提高每公斤8塊元以上這一點部長同意嗎?\n\n21\n00:07:05,373 --> 00:07:17,136\n我基本上我覺得這個要非常慎重的去思考因為如果說用經費可以解決事情那相對單純我們要考慮的是整個產業的我基本上不認同你不認同所以你是不支持公糧收購價格要提高的\n\n22\n00:07:26,218 --> 00:07:27,119\n我、我說我們、我們支持的是我們要確保稻農的收益但是稻農的收益本身我們是\n\n23\n00:07:44,400 --> 00:08:11,000\n最後我先再問一下就是百億基金養豬的這個補助啊其實也已經快要見底了那目前呢我們雲林縣呢有156萬頭是佔全國的三分之一的頭數那為了提升這個養豬的效率啊很多這些老舊不堪的設備啊污水池啊都需要改善那我想要請問一下就是說今年是執行計畫的最後一年\n\n24\n00:08:12,421 --> 00:08:14,842\n那雲林縣申請踴躍大概有400場申請的金額是8億4千多萬但到目前為止我們這個農業部這邊只有通過1億多那不曉得部長能不能再繼續大力支持一下我們的養豬產業\n\n25\n00:08:34,509 --> 00:08:53,715\n我想養豬產業我們一定會去支持那這牽涉到經費的編列跟當時雲林先生我提出來希望中央來補助的那個時間點因為那個時間點已經過了那個經費編列的時間所以我們在下一期的那個預算我們還會繼續你還有下一期嗎?這不是執行的最後一年嗎?當然名稱不會是一樣的但是針對養豬產業的升級我們還希望能夠持續的推動\n\n26\n00:09:02,038 --> 00:09:13,765\n這就是代表說部長會向行政院爭取續辦下一個階段,是嗎?類似這樣,但是名稱不是白雞的言語,就是說針對養豬產業的行為會繼續,升級會繼續。這個一定是要會持續的,因為養豬產業正在轉型中,不能說轉到一半就停掉了。\n\n27\n00:09:24,222 --> 00:09:46,390\n這個本席大力的支持因為對的事情就是要持續去做尤其我們雲林縣是在全國養豬產業的三分之一而且包括大概還有七成的這個豬舍都還沒有被改善希望部長能夠承諾繼續積極的向行政院爭取支持我們養豬產業的升級我想我們已經在做了\n\n28\n00:09:50,091 --> 00:09:54,512\n事由：立法院第11屆第12會議經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第12條條文修正草案：立法院第12會議經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n29\n00:10:19,937 --> 00:10:20,418\n條文宣告\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n860\t2162\t接下來我們請張嘉郡委員。\n15738\t34246\t部長今天就是農再條例喔那我想您應該非常了解農村負擔糧食生產的重要功能但是在農村再生條例推動之前我不不曉得說您還有沒有印象在推動之前相較於都市農村給人的印象為何?農村給人的印象就是很雜亂然後\n42011\t64379\t因為那時候的一個生產面大概都是用傳統的農業的方法去執行所以去到那邊五、三年經常拼到類似這樣子的一個風貌就是過去農村給人的印象就像部長所講的非常的老舊不方便可能髒亂但是都市化跟工商發展\n65479\t93807\t人口大量就是集中到都市裡面去導致農村的青壯外移公共建設跟發展不足生活機能、文化特色都漸漸在喪失那2010年那本席也是農再條例的提案人之一當時呢行政院的版本我記得是1200億那我與翁崇鈞委員的這個堅持之下爭取到1500億那農再執行到今天已經十多年了\n94709\t97097\t請問部長對於農在執行的成果滿意嗎?\n98937\t124688\t我想所有的農在的一個執行他一定是階段性的一直往上提升那以現在我們所見到的大概有一百零幾一百零四十多個農村再生計畫那個區域我1046齁這個區域我們看到了他的活力我們看到了青年人進到裡面去我們也看到了那裡的長者受到一些知識性的一個支撐\n126309\t142742\t那現在我們是慢慢的變成一個網絡從一個個體的農村再生的計畫聯絡成一個網絡的一個在社區是所以其實部長形容的也非常貼切感受到欸農村就是農村裡面有年輕人回流\n143342\t164701\t注入新的活力然後老人也活得更有尊嚴所以農村再生的存在其實是非常非常重要尤其他是一個由下而上是有農村自主然後很多農民跟在地鄉親的想法是得以發揮的那我現在也給這個部長看一下其實我們在雲林其實這些農在\n165962\t191108\t都發展得非常好這是我們整個雲林的成果當初農在條例通過的時候本期是每一村每一村到村裡面去宣傳說請他們一定要成立社區發展協會也一定要參加培根計畫這個效果非常的好但是我們擔心如果農在基金用完了怎麼辦整個農村以後未來要怎麼辦部長你覺得這對於我們整個台灣發展會有什麼樣的影響\n195345\t210451\t我想第一個部分就是農村再生計畫到目前為止大概有將近497億那足以支應我們113到116的那116以後可能會見底但是在這個過程中我想行政院本身在\n210871\t211291\t一、本院委員\n236553\t261281\t我跟委員說明,就是這個牽涉到因為預算的編列是由行政單位來編的當然,那個部分我不是要逼你去說你可以,但是我想要知道說你支不支持我想經費本身是一個推動我們農村再生重要的一個支柱啦這些經費能夠有持續性的經費是最好\n261561\t264644\t所以你是贊成的。當然,我們就是要並行啊,我們要提案你們才會積極認真趕快去爭取啊。所以呢,我想要知道另外一個就是國土計劃法。\n279396\t296989\t國土計畫法對於農地農村的使用分區是再難以變更再難以進行變更這等於是宣告說未來農村發展將被進一步的限制然後年輕人更不願意留在農村部長你怎麼看\n297749\t307520\t我想國土計畫就算未來開始114年4月如果順利執行的時候他還有一個通盤檢討的機制就是每五年可以通盤檢討但是你覺得我們準備好了嗎你覺得這個國土計畫法是明年真的可以實施嗎\n312645\t331343\t我個人認為就是因為現在國土計畫是不是應該更完善一點呢?是應該現在還有地方針對不管是以農業部分的農一農二本身的一個編列還有農三的部分會有一些爭議所以還需要時間讓他們去比較仔細的去做所以部長也是同意說應該暫緩?\n332904\t353849\t如果這個要看喔,因為谷土計畫不只是農業的部分,還有其他的部分,那農業的部分如果有更多的時間,我覺得是可以讓這個計畫更完整的上路。沒錯,本席也同意這件事情應該是要降緩,把所有的配套不管是你農業部的其他部會的都把它都做好之後再去實施,否則後面喔\n354709\t377230\t會亂成一鍋粥。」這一點我也很感謝部長講出你真實的看法因為我們的確要執行之前需要多一點耐心把所有的細節都盤點好盤整好再去實施那另外就是有關於公糧收購的價格上一次也是本席提的13年前那之前本席有問過部長\n378251\t398783\t部長說要等520之後才能決定,那我想知道說其實離520只剩下5天啊,部長你決定了沒有?我跟委員說明齁,就是沒有錯,您所提到的這10年來物價上漲以農業來講,以稻作來講,我們做全國性的一個平均大概10%\n400204\t424502\t但是同樣的他的產量也提高了所以以公斤為單位來算的話他的成本增加了大概2%這是第一件事情因為基本上我覺得你的算法我們也可以坐下來好好談那目前我們大院已經二讀通過要提高每公斤8塊元以上這一點部長同意嗎?\n425373\t437136\t我基本上我覺得這個要非常慎重的去思考因為如果說用經費可以解決事情那相對單純我們要考慮的是整個產業的我基本上不認同你不認同所以你是不支持公糧收購價格要提高的\n446218\t447119\t我、我說我們、我們支持的是我們要確保稻農的收益但是稻農的收益本身我們是\n464400\t491000\t最後我先再問一下就是百億基金養豬的這個補助啊其實也已經快要見底了那目前呢我們雲林縣呢有156萬頭是佔全國的三分之一的頭數那為了提升這個養豬的效率啊很多這些老舊不堪的設備啊污水池啊都需要改善那我想要請問一下就是說今年是執行計畫的最後一年\n492421\t494842\t那雲林縣申請踴躍大概有400場申請的金額是8億4千多萬但到目前為止我們這個農業部這邊只有通過1億多那不曉得部長能不能再繼續大力支持一下我們的養豬產業\n514509\t533715\t我想養豬產業我們一定會去支持那這牽涉到經費的編列跟當時雲林先生我提出來希望中央來補助的那個時間點因為那個時間點已經過了那個經費編列的時間所以我們在下一期的那個預算我們還會繼續你還有下一期嗎?這不是執行的最後一年嗎?當然名稱不會是一樣的但是針對養豬產業的升級我們還希望能夠持續的推動\n542038\t553765\t這就是代表說部長會向行政院爭取續辦下一個階段,是嗎?類似這樣,但是名稱不是白雞的言語,就是說針對養豬產業的行為會繼續,升級會繼續。這個一定是要會持續的,因為養豬產業正在轉型中,不能說轉到一半就停掉了。\n564222\t586390\t這個本席大力的支持因為對的事情就是要持續去做尤其我們雲林縣是在全國養豬產業的三分之一而且包括大概還有七成的這個豬舍都還沒有被改善希望部長能夠承諾繼續積極的向行政院爭取支持我們養豬產業的升級我想我們已經在做了\n590091\t594512\t事由：立法院第11屆第12會議經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第12條條文修正草案：立法院第12會議經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n619937\t620418\t條文宣告\n","txt":"接下來我們請張嘉郡委員。\n部長今天就是農再條例喔那我想您應該非常了解農村負擔糧食生產的重要功能但是在農村再生條例推動之前我不不曉得說您還有沒有印象在推動之前相較於都市農村給人的印象為何?農村給人的印象就是很雜亂然後\n因為那時候的一個生產面大概都是用傳統的農業的方法去執行所以去到那邊五、三年經常拼到類似這樣子的一個風貌就是過去農村給人的印象就像部長所講的非常的老舊不方便可能髒亂但是都市化跟工商發展\n人口大量就是集中到都市裡面去導致農村的青壯外移公共建設跟發展不足生活機能、文化特色都漸漸在喪失那2010年那本席也是農再條例的提案人之一當時呢行政院的版本我記得是1200億那我與翁崇鈞委員的這個堅持之下爭取到1500億那農再執行到今天已經十多年了\n請問部長對於農在執行的成果滿意嗎?\n我想所有的農在的一個執行他一定是階段性的一直往上提升那以現在我們所見到的大概有一百零幾一百零四十多個農村再生計畫那個區域我1046齁這個區域我們看到了他的活力我們看到了青年人進到裡面去我們也看到了那裡的長者受到一些知識性的一個支撐\n那現在我們是慢慢的變成一個網絡從一個個體的農村再生的計畫聯絡成一個網絡的一個在社區是所以其實部長形容的也非常貼切感受到欸農村就是農村裡面有年輕人回流\n注入新的活力然後老人也活得更有尊嚴所以農村再生的存在其實是非常非常重要尤其他是一個由下而上是有農村自主然後很多農民跟在地鄉親的想法是得以發揮的那我現在也給這個部長看一下其實我們在雲林其實這些農在\n都發展得非常好這是我們整個雲林的成果當初農在條例通過的時候本期是每一村每一村到村裡面去宣傳說請他們一定要成立社區發展協會也一定要參加培根計畫這個效果非常的好但是我們擔心如果農在基金用完了怎麼辦整個農村以後未來要怎麼辦部長你覺得這對於我們整個台灣發展會有什麼樣的影響\n我想第一個部分就是農村再生計畫到目前為止大概有將近497億那足以支應我們113到116的那116以後可能會見底但是在這個過程中我想行政院本身在\n一、本院委員\n我跟委員說明,就是這個牽涉到因為預算的編列是由行政單位來編的當然,那個部分我不是要逼你去說你可以,但是我想要知道說你支不支持我想經費本身是一個推動我們農村再生重要的一個支柱啦這些經費能夠有持續性的經費是最好\n所以你是贊成的。當然,我們就是要並行啊,我們要提案你們才會積極認真趕快去爭取啊。所以呢,我想要知道另外一個就是國土計劃法。\n國土計畫法對於農地農村的使用分區是再難以變更再難以進行變更這等於是宣告說未來農村發展將被進一步的限制然後年輕人更不願意留在農村部長你怎麼看\n我想國土計畫就算未來開始114年4月如果順利執行的時候他還有一個通盤檢討的機制就是每五年可以通盤檢討但是你覺得我們準備好了嗎你覺得這個國土計畫法是明年真的可以實施嗎\n我個人認為就是因為現在國土計畫是不是應該更完善一點呢?是應該現在還有地方針對不管是以農業部分的農一農二本身的一個編列還有農三的部分會有一些爭議所以還需要時間讓他們去比較仔細的去做所以部長也是同意說應該暫緩?\n如果這個要看喔,因為谷土計畫不只是農業的部分,還有其他的部分,那農業的部分如果有更多的時間,我覺得是可以讓這個計畫更完整的上路。沒錯,本席也同意這件事情應該是要降緩,把所有的配套不管是你農業部的其他部會的都把它都做好之後再去實施,否則後面喔\n會亂成一鍋粥。」這一點我也很感謝部長講出你真實的看法因為我們的確要執行之前需要多一點耐心把所有的細節都盤點好盤整好再去實施那另外就是有關於公糧收購的價格上一次也是本席提的13年前那之前本席有問過部長\n部長說要等520之後才能決定,那我想知道說其實離520只剩下5天啊,部長你決定了沒有?我跟委員說明齁,就是沒有錯,您所提到的這10年來物價上漲以農業來講,以稻作來講,我們做全國性的一個平均大概10%\n但是同樣的他的產量也提高了所以以公斤為單位來算的話他的成本增加了大概2%這是第一件事情因為基本上我覺得你的算法我們也可以坐下來好好談那目前我們大院已經二讀通過要提高每公斤8塊元以上這一點部長同意嗎?\n我基本上我覺得這個要非常慎重的去思考因為如果說用經費可以解決事情那相對單純我們要考慮的是整個產業的我基本上不認同你不認同所以你是不支持公糧收購價格要提高的\n我、我說我們、我們支持的是我們要確保稻農的收益但是稻農的收益本身我們是\n最後我先再問一下就是百億基金養豬的這個補助啊其實也已經快要見底了那目前呢我們雲林縣呢有156萬頭是佔全國的三分之一的頭數那為了提升這個養豬的效率啊很多這些老舊不堪的設備啊污水池啊都需要改善那我想要請問一下就是說今年是執行計畫的最後一年\n那雲林縣申請踴躍大概有400場申請的金額是8億4千多萬但到目前為止我們這個農業部這邊只有通過1億多那不曉得部長能不能再繼續大力支持一下我們的養豬產業\n我想養豬產業我們一定會去支持那這牽涉到經費的編列跟當時雲林先生我提出來希望中央來補助的那個時間點因為那個時間點已經過了那個經費編列的時間所以我們在下一期的那個預算我們還會繼續你還有下一期嗎?這不是執行的最後一年嗎?當然名稱不會是一樣的但是針對養豬產業的升級我們還希望能夠持續的推動\n這就是代表說部長會向行政院爭取續辦下一個階段,是嗎?類似這樣,但是名稱不是白雞的言語,就是說針對養豬產業的行為會繼續,升級會繼續。這個一定是要會持續的,因為養豬產業正在轉型中,不能說轉到一半就停掉了。\n這個本席大力的支持因為對的事情就是要持續去做尤其我們雲林縣是在全國養豬產業的三分之一而且包括大概還有七成的這個豬舍都還沒有被改善希望部長能夠承諾繼續積極的向行政院爭取支持我們養豬產業的升級我想我們已經在做了\n事由：立法院第11屆第12會議經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第12條條文修正草案：立法院第12會議經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n條文宣告\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.860 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