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00:01:28,755\n那都沒有辦法去干涉到總統的這個職權並且這個赦免是總統所採取的政治行為是一種對司法權的一個介入對於司法的威望以及權力分立的制度都有相當程度的影響那總統應該審慎考慮並以宏觀的這個視角來做出最適當的安排\n\n4\n00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:48,978\n再次我想請教就是現在有對於特赦理由的討論但是從過去的這個案例來看特赦是不是也沒有對條件或原因來進行設限我想請市長回覆一下\n\n5\n00:01:49,639 --> 00:02:07,902\n各位報告我們現在有關特赦的規定當然如同委員PPT上所講的是憲法上規定由總統來行使那具體的法律規範的部分就是赦免法的相關規範赦免法有做一些要件上的一些規定除此之外有關赦免的部分尤其特赦的部分就沒有其他的規範\n\n6\n00:02:08,883 --> 00:02:25,072\n好那在就我們法務部所提出的這個書面報告當中有提到說特赦的程序這個赦免法第6條第一項規定總統的命令行政院轉令這個主管部也就是我們法務部\n\n7\n00:02:26,232 --> 00:02:53,464\n為這個大赦特赦減刑復權之研議那也就是說請法務部對於特赦進行研議並離去處理建議請這個行政院再陳情給總統那我想請問剛剛政治也大概有回覆那可能總統那邊並沒有明確的指示那不管是被動或主動我們近期內我們法務部這個部內是不是有進行相關的這個評估的動作\n\n8\n00:02:55,730 --> 00:03:22,057\n各位委員報告那我再次的強調就是說法務部到目前為止沒有收到行政院或來自於總統的令轉的相關特赦的研議這是第一部分第二部分法務部當然就社會相關的爭議事實或在意的事件法務部所屬的幕僚當然會做相關的研議所以有關於特赦最近的一些各方的意見法務部當然會做一些法律上的研議或者是個案上做一些處理當然會\n\n9\n00:03:22,737 --> 00:03:39,035\n好那未來我們有沒有可能會提供給總統什麼方向的一個這個建議各位委員報告我們按照社民法的規定他必須要總統他得要教我們來研議發動權在於總統總統沒有如果沒有發動總統發動權的話我們不會沒有法務部本身沒有發動的可能性\n\n10\n00:03:44,582 --> 00:04:13,744\n好那就我們法務部先前的這個回應來看還沒有得到來自府院的明確消息剛剛那個次長你也很明確的講那但有關這個特赦的業務應該有在處理包括考慮到相關的配套等等那假設假設今天總統決定這個行使特赦權了那後續我們法務部辦理的這個程序相關的這個程序需要多久的時間來完成\n\n11\n00:04:14,571 --> 00:04:42,690\n各位委員報告看它特赦的範圍如果特赦特赦有兩種一個是刑的免除另外一個罪行宣告無效看它是特赦哪一種那如果我們接到特赦的特赦令的話按照我們赦免法第7條的規定法務部必須要發交證明給受赦免者那速度會很快因為就法務部來講我們說特赦令我們只發交一個特赦證明而已所以相關的程序特赦令來講它會很快的合法\n\n12\n00:04:44,298 --> 00:05:02,761\n就這個部分我們看到這個赦免法第三條規定受罪行宣告之人經特赦者他免除其刑之執行其勤解特殊者得以其罪行之宣告為無效尤其後段有寫到\n\n13\n00:05:03,742 --> 00:05:21,725\n情節特殊者得以其罪行之宣告為無效那我還是請教次長就是說後段所產生的這個效果是否大於前段的部分那是不是這個到底是免刑不免罪還是免刑又免罪\n\n14\n00:05:22,325 --> 00:05:49,991\n各位報告特赦大概如同我剛才報告有兩種如果免足刑至執行的話他的罪子還存在的如果他事後再犯罪的話因為刑還存在他有可能會構成累犯那如果罪行都免的話他就等於一筆勾銷他後面如果說再犯罪罪行無效了嘛後面再犯罪他就沒有累犯的問題所以他的法律效果是不一樣的可以這樣子理解沒有錯通俗的理解可以來理解就是說第三條後段的罪行都免除\n\n15\n00:05:57,635 --> 00:06:13,824\n所以應該還是要看總統如何來裁決才能夠決定最後達到的效果那另外由於這次的可能被特赦對象身份比較特殊也就是我們之前的元首那近期也有許多包括美國、韓國等\n\n16\n00:06:15,365 --> 00:06:36,370\n過去特赦元首的經驗來加入討論即便各國對於特赦的法規有所差異政治體制也不盡相同但是對於特赦元首的這件事情同樣是高度的政治性、爭議性的議題那我們法務部是否也有參酌其他國家的案例來研擬更嚴謹的相關配套\n\n17\n00:06:39,803 --> 00:06:50,054\n法務部就這個特赦部分當然我剛有提到包括美國、日本跟德國的特赦的制度法務部他都有相關的收集跟研議我們也當然會參酌國外有關特赦的經驗來研議適合本國的相關的特赦制度\n\n18\n00:06:58,826 --> 00:07:25,316\n所以我想還是對於特赦與否我們還是尊重總統的職權不管是對於政治的這個衝擊還是對於司法的影響都是總統在決策過程中必須要去承擔的責任那相關的程序及配套需要我們法務部這邊協助辦理的部分也期待能夠透過這次的專報以及媒體朋友的這些報導讓社會大眾更加的清楚了解特赦的範圍跟這個效力能夠來減少這個誤解降低對立對於\n\n19\n00:07:28,397 --> 00:07:43,716\n這次的這個議題本身來講這個理性的討論才有那個功效所以請我們法務部對這個部分應該去審慎評估那再來我想請教就是這個外衣間再傳這個脫逃的事件那在\n\n20\n00:07:44,986 --> 00:07:57,625\n這前兩天傳出這個外衣間預期未歸涉及脫逃的這個案子是台南這個明德外衣間的方信受刑人那在11月13日放假期間沒有依規定\n\n21\n00:07:59,025 --> 00:08:24,735\n到這個派出所報導但是在原定的這個應該返回的外遺間時間沒有正常的回間的情況幸好是在這個昨天警方已經找到這一位受刑人那我想請教就是目前這個專案小組對於本案所掌握的這個狀況以及處理的情形為什麼這一位受刑人會發生預期未歸的情況\n\n22\n00:08:26,369 --> 00:08:44,305\n顧問報告,他理論上是這個13號的一點,他就應該要返回這個外遺監但後來他遇時未歸嘛,那後來本部有掌握他相關的行蹤啦,外遺有掌握他相關的行蹤那目前他已經逮捕了,已經在入監服刑當中\n\n23\n00:08:46,434 --> 00:08:47,675\n我們按照規定如果外遇監預期\n\n24\n00:09:00,913 --> 00:09:01,353\n委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n25\n00:09:23,308 --> 00:09:47,270\n那目前為止我們還有沒有類似這個這個外衣間脫逃的受刑人還沒有逮捕到回歸的近十年來我們外衣間脫逃人數大概47人到目前為止在就剩下一位大概是花蓮那個外衣這強外衣間在111年脫逃的一個一個外衣間受刑人到目前為止還沒棄貨其他的都已經棄貨\n\n26\n00:09:48,937 --> 00:10:03,281\n那對於預期未歸的這些受刑人在不管是自首或是被逮捕歸案以後會受到什麼樣的懲處我們都是會以這個脫逃罪來辦理嗎?行責的部分他當然要負擔這個脫逃罪的偵辦面問題\n\n27\n00:10:05,742 --> 00:10:05,822\n陳俊宇\n\n28\n00:10:25,387 --> 00:10:53,729\n那對於脫逃罪判刑確定的這個收容人所判的刑期若太輕只有幾個月是不是難以達到嚇阻或警惕的效果脫逃罪的部分在目前的刑責三年以下當然外界有些倡議覺得他刑責過低那我目前在修我們刑法上的脫逃罪我們的確是有要提高他刑責的部分把它提高來抑制這個脫逃人受刑人他可能產生脫逃的意念好所以我們近幾年外醫監\n\n29\n00:10:55,130 --> 00:11:14,626\n這個已有這個數十件的脫逃案件那剛剛次長也有大概講了一下相信我們這個法務部對每個案應該都有進行過這個檢討那我再請教一下對於預期未歸的問題整體的改進方向我們有沒有比較完整的一個檢討方向\n\n30\n00:11:15,186 --> 00:11:42,512\n跟委員報告當然從制度面我們剛剛有一個委員報告通報面我跟委員報告另外防範面我們外醫監我們現在是試圖的引進我們AI的科技技術就是說讓外醫監是不是戴腳鐐手銬用電子反力的部分讓他反加探測的時候能讓外醫監的這個更能夠掌握這個受刑人所以從科技面從法律面從業務面我們進行來做些相關的檢討\n\n31\n00:11:44,737 --> 00:11:59,078\n所以我們外遇監視為了要讓受刑人能夠準備能夠這個銜接社會的一個制度不論是平時低度的這個管理或是反加探親的這個規定我想都是利益良善\n\n32\n00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:14,154\n那但相對的脫逃或是再犯的風險也比較高所以畢竟我們沒有辦法完全去掌握一個人的這個行動和想法但是希望這個法務部能夠落實檢討並持續的精進這個外議間的管理\n\n33\n00:12:17,717 --> 00:12:39,432\n那也請我們法務部在未來交接的這個過程提醒即將接任的團隊應該要多加注意也不要壞了設立外議間的這個美意也讓我們民眾能夠更加的信任那也讓這個制度可以持續更完善的一個推動的過程好以上\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13063\t39857\t好 謝謝主席有請我們那個黃長赤請次長我也好好 次長早早好 次長近期因為這個媒體的報導那我們總統在卸任前可能要行使特赦我相信這早上到現在也許多委員都在關心那這個特赦相關這個討論\n41778\t71318\t又再度成為我們社會矚目的一個焦點那今天的這一場專報來就我們總統行使特赦相關的法律問題來進行這個討論我們憲法第40條規定總統行使這個大赦特赦減刑及賦權的這個權利換言之就是說以上都是憲法所賦予總統的權利行使與否交由總統他本人來決定之那我想不管是司法院法務部或是在座的各位\n72018\t88755\t那都沒有辦法去干涉到總統的這個職權並且這個赦免是總統所採取的政治行為是一種對司法權的一個介入對於司法的威望以及權力分立的制度都有相當程度的影響那總統應該審慎考慮並以宏觀的這個視角來做出最適當的安排\n94560\t108978\t再次我想請教就是現在有對於特赦理由的討論但是從過去的這個案例來看特赦是不是也沒有對條件或原因來進行設限我想請市長回覆一下\n109639\t127902\t各位報告我們現在有關特赦的規定當然如同委員PPT上所講的是憲法上規定由總統來行使那具體的法律規範的部分就是赦免法的相關規範赦免法有做一些要件上的一些規定除此之外有關赦免的部分尤其特赦的部分就沒有其他的規範\n128883\t145072\t好那在就我們法務部所提出的這個書面報告當中有提到說特赦的程序這個赦免法第6條第一項規定總統的命令行政院轉令這個主管部也就是我們法務部\n146232\t173464\t為這個大赦特赦減刑復權之研議那也就是說請法務部對於特赦進行研議並離去處理建議請這個行政院再陳情給總統那我想請問剛剛政治也大概有回覆那可能總統那邊並沒有明確的指示那不管是被動或主動我們近期內我們法務部這個部內是不是有進行相關的這個評估的動作\n175730\t202057\t各位委員報告那我再次的強調就是說法務部到目前為止沒有收到行政院或來自於總統的令轉的相關特赦的研議這是第一部分第二部分法務部當然就社會相關的爭議事實或在意的事件法務部所屬的幕僚當然會做相關的研議所以有關於特赦最近的一些各方的意見法務部當然會做一些法律上的研議或者是個案上做一些處理當然會\n202737\t219035\t好那未來我們有沒有可能會提供給總統什麼方向的一個這個建議各位委員報告我們按照社民法的規定他必須要總統他得要教我們來研議發動權在於總統總統沒有如果沒有發動總統發動權的話我們不會沒有法務部本身沒有發動的可能性\n224582\t253744\t好 那就我們法務部先前的這個回應來看還沒有得到來自府院的明確消息剛剛那個次長你也很明確的講那但有關這個特赦的業務應該有在處理包括考慮到相關的配套等等那假設假設今天總統決定這個行使特赦權了那後續我們法務部辦理的這個程序相關的這個程序需要多久的時間來完成\n254571\t282690\t各位委員報告 看它特赦的範圍 如果特赦 特赦有兩種 一個是刑的免除 另外一個罪行宣告無效 看它是特赦哪一種那如果我們接到特赦的特赦令的話 按照我們赦免法第7條的規定 法務部必須要發交證明給受赦免者 那速度會很快因為就法務部來講 我們說特赦令 我們只發交一個特赦證明而已所以相關的程序 特赦令來講 它會很快的合法\n284298\t302761\t就這個部分我們看到這個赦免法第三條規定受罪行宣告之人經特赦者他免除其刑之執行其勤解特殊者得以其罪行之宣告為無效尤其後段有寫到\n303742\t321725\t情節特殊者得以其罪行之宣告為無效那我還是請教次長就是說後段所產生的這個效果是否大於前段的部分那是不是這個到底是免刑不免罪還是免刑又免罪\n322325\t349991\t各位報告特赦大概如同我剛才報告有兩種如果免足刑至執行的話他的罪子還存在的如果他事後再犯罪的話因為刑還存在他有可能會構成累犯那如果罪行都免的話他就等於一筆勾銷他後面如果說再犯罪罪行無效了嘛後面再犯罪他就沒有累犯的問題所以他的法律效果是不一樣的可以這樣子理解沒有錯通俗的理解可以來理解就是說第三條後段的罪行都免除\n357635\t373824\t所以應該還是要看總統如何來裁決才能夠決定最後達到的效果那另外由於這次的可能被特赦對象身份比較特殊也就是我們之前的元首那近期也有許多包括美國、韓國等\n375365\t396370\t過去特赦元首的經驗來加入討論即便各國對於特赦的法規有所差異政治體制也不盡相同但是對於特赦元首的這件事情同樣是高度的政治性、爭議性的議題那我們法務部是否也有參酌其他國家的案例來研擬更嚴謹的相關配套\n399803\t410054\t法務部就這個特赦部分當然我剛有提到包括美國、日本跟德國的特赦的制度法務部他都有相關的收集跟研議我們也當然會參酌國外有關特赦的經驗來研議適合本國的相關的特赦制度\n418826\t445316\t所以我想還是對於特赦與否我們還是尊重總統的職權不管是對於政治的這個衝擊還是對於司法的影響都是總統在決策過程中必須要去承擔的責任那相關的程序及配套需要我們法務部這邊協助辦理的部分也期待能夠透過這次的專報以及媒體朋友的這些報導讓社會大眾更加的清楚了解特赦的範圍跟這個效力能夠來減少這個誤解降低對立對於\n448397\t463716\t這次的這個議題本身來講這個理性的討論才有那個功效所以請我們法務部對這個部分應該去審慎評估那再來我想請教就是這個外衣間再傳這個脫逃的事件那在\n464986\t477625\t這前兩天傳出這個外衣間預期未歸涉及脫逃的這個案子是台南這個明德外衣間的方信受刑人那在11月13日放假期間沒有依規定\n479025\t504735\t到這個派出所報導但是在原定的這個應該返回的外遺間時間沒有正常的回間的情況幸好是在這個昨天警方已經找到這一位受刑人那我想請教就是目前這個專案小組對於本案所掌握的這個狀況以及處理的情形為什麼這一位受刑人會發生預期未歸的情況\n506369\t524305\t顧問報告,他理論上是這個13號的一點,他就應該要返回這個外遺監但後來他遇時未歸嘛,那後來本部有掌握他相關的行蹤啦,外遺有掌握他相關的行蹤那目前他已經逮捕了,已經在入監服刑當中\n526434\t527675\t我們按照規定如果外遇監預期\n540913\t541353\t委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n563308\t587270\t那目前為止我們還有沒有類似這個這個外衣間脫逃的受刑人還沒有逮捕到回歸的近十年來我們外衣間脫逃人數大概47人到目前為止在就剩下一位大概是花蓮那個外衣這強外衣間在111年脫逃的一個一個外衣間受刑人到目前為止還沒棄貨其他的都已經棄貨\n588937\t603281\t那對於預期未歸的這些受刑人在不管是自首或是被逮捕歸案以後會受到什麼樣的懲處我們都是會以這個脫逃罪來辦理嗎?行責的部分他當然要負擔這個脫逃罪的偵辦面問題\n605742\t605822\t陳俊宇\n625387\t653729\t那對於脫逃罪判刑確定的這個收容人所判的刑期若太輕只有幾個月是不是難以達到嚇阻或警惕的效果脫逃罪的部分在目前的刑責三年以下當然外界有些倡議覺得他刑責過低那我目前在修我們刑法上的脫逃罪我們的確是有要提高他刑責的部分把它提高來抑制這個脫逃人受刑人他可能產生脫逃的意念好所以我們近幾年外醫監\n655130\t674626\t這個已有這個數十件的脫逃案件那剛剛次長也有大概講了一下相信我們這個法務部對每個案應該都有進行過這個檢討那我再請教一下對於預期未歸的問題整體的改進方向我們有沒有比較完整的一個檢討方向\n675186\t702512\t跟委員報告當然從制度面我們剛剛有一個委員報告通報面我跟委員報告另外防範面我們外醫監我們現在是試圖的引進我們AI的科技技術就是說讓外醫監是不是戴腳鐐手銬用電子反力的部分讓他反加探測的時候能讓外醫監的這個更能夠掌握這個受刑人所以從科技面從法律面從業務面我們進行來做些相關的檢討\n704737\t719078\t所以我們外遇監視為了要讓受刑人能夠準備能夠這個銜接社會的一個制度不論是平時低度的這個管理或是反加探親的這個規定我想都是利益良善\n719679\t734154\t那但相對的脫逃或是再犯的風險也比較高所以畢竟我們沒有辦法完全去掌握一個人的這個行動和想法但是希望這個法務部能夠落實檢討並持續的精進這個外議間的管理\n737717\t759432\t那也請我們法務部在未來交接的這個過程提醒即將接任的團隊應該要多加注意也不要壞了設立外議間的這個美意也讓我們民眾能夠更加的信任那也讓這個制度可以持續更完善的一個推動的過程好以上\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席有請我們那個黃長赤請次長我也好好 次長早早好 次長近期因為這個媒體的報導那我們總統在卸任前可能要行使特赦我相信這早上到現在也許多委員都在關心那這個特赦相關這個討論\n又再度成為我們社會矚目的一個焦點那今天的這一場專報來就我們總統行使特赦相關的法律問題來進行這個討論我們憲法第40條規定總統行使這個大赦特赦減刑及賦權的這個權利換言之就是說以上都是憲法所賦予總統的權利行使與否交由總統他本人來決定之那我想不管是司法院法務部或是在座的各位\n那都沒有辦法去干涉到總統的這個職權並且這個赦免是總統所採取的政治行為是一種對司法權的一個介入對於司法的威望以及權力分立的制度都有相當程度的影響那總統應該審慎考慮並以宏觀的這個視角來做出最適當的安排\n再次我想請教就是現在有對於特赦理由的討論但是從過去的這個案例來看特赦是不是也沒有對條件或原因來進行設限我想請市長回覆一下\n各位報告我們現在有關特赦的規定當然如同委員PPT上所講的是憲法上規定由總統來行使那具體的法律規範的部分就是赦免法的相關規範赦免法有做一些要件上的一些規定除此之外有關赦免的部分尤其特赦的部分就沒有其他的規範\n好那在就我們法務部所提出的這個書面報告當中有提到說特赦的程序這個赦免法第6條第一項規定總統的命令行政院轉令這個主管部也就是我們法務部\n為這個大赦特赦減刑復權之研議那也就是說請法務部對於特赦進行研議並離去處理建議請這個行政院再陳情給總統那我想請問剛剛政治也大概有回覆那可能總統那邊並沒有明確的指示那不管是被動或主動我們近期內我們法務部這個部內是不是有進行相關的這個評估的動作\n各位委員報告那我再次的強調就是說法務部到目前為止沒有收到行政院或來自於總統的令轉的相關特赦的研議這是第一部分第二部分法務部當然就社會相關的爭議事實或在意的事件法務部所屬的幕僚當然會做相關的研議所以有關於特赦最近的一些各方的意見法務部當然會做一些法律上的研議或者是個案上做一些處理當然會\n好那未來我們有沒有可能會提供給總統什麼方向的一個這個建議各位委員報告我們按照社民法的規定他必須要總統他得要教我們來研議發動權在於總統總統沒有如果沒有發動總統發動權的話我們不會沒有法務部本身沒有發動的可能性\n好 那就我們法務部先前的這個回應來看還沒有得到來自府院的明確消息剛剛那個次長你也很明確的講那但有關這個特赦的業務應該有在處理包括考慮到相關的配套等等那假設假設今天總統決定這個行使特赦權了那後續我們法務部辦理的這個程序相關的這個程序需要多久的時間來完成\n各位委員報告 看它特赦的範圍 如果特赦 特赦有兩種 一個是刑的免除 另外一個罪行宣告無效 看它是特赦哪一種那如果我們接到特赦的特赦令的話 按照我們赦免法第7條的規定 法務部必須要發交證明給受赦免者 那速度會很快因為就法務部來講 我們說特赦令 我們只發交一個特赦證明而已所以相關的程序 特赦令來講 它會很快的合法\n就這個部分我們看到這個赦免法第三條規定受罪行宣告之人經特赦者他免除其刑之執行其勤解特殊者得以其罪行之宣告為無效尤其後段有寫到\n情節特殊者得以其罪行之宣告為無效那我還是請教次長就是說後段所產生的這個效果是否大於前段的部分那是不是這個到底是免刑不免罪還是免刑又免罪\n各位報告特赦大概如同我剛才報告有兩種如果免足刑至執行的話他的罪子還存在的如果他事後再犯罪的話因為刑還存在他有可能會構成累犯那如果罪行都免的話他就等於一筆勾銷他後面如果說再犯罪罪行無效了嘛後面再犯罪他就沒有累犯的問題所以他的法律效果是不一樣的可以這樣子理解沒有錯通俗的理解可以來理解就是說第三條後段的罪行都免除\n所以應該還是要看總統如何來裁決才能夠決定最後達到的效果那另外由於這次的可能被特赦對象身份比較特殊也就是我們之前的元首那近期也有許多包括美國、韓國等\n過去特赦元首的經驗來加入討論即便各國對於特赦的法規有所差異政治體制也不盡相同但是對於特赦元首的這件事情同樣是高度的政治性、爭議性的議題那我們法務部是否也有參酌其他國家的案例來研擬更嚴謹的相關配套\n法務部就這個特赦部分當然我剛有提到包括美國、日本跟德國的特赦的制度法務部他都有相關的收集跟研議我們也當然會參酌國外有關特赦的經驗來研議適合本國的相關的特赦制度\n所以我想還是對於特赦與否我們還是尊重總統的職權不管是對於政治的這個衝擊還是對於司法的影響都是總統在決策過程中必須要去承擔的責任那相關的程序及配套需要我們法務部這邊協助辦理的部分也期待能夠透過這次的專報以及媒體朋友的這些報導讓社會大眾更加的清楚了解特赦的範圍跟這個效力能夠來減少這個誤解降低對立對於\n這次的這個議題本身來講這個理性的討論才有那個功效所以請我們法務部對這個部分應該去審慎評估那再來我想請教就是這個外衣間再傳這個脫逃的事件那在\n這前兩天傳出這個外衣間預期未歸涉及脫逃的這個案子是台南這個明德外衣間的方信受刑人那在11月13日放假期間沒有依規定\n到這個派出所報導但是在原定的這個應該返回的外遺間時間沒有正常的回間的情況幸好是在這個昨天警方已經找到這一位受刑人那我想請教就是目前這個專案小組對於本案所掌握的這個狀況以及處理的情形為什麼這一位受刑人會發生預期未歸的情況\n顧問報告,他理論上是這個13號的一點,他就應該要返回這個外遺監但後來他遇時未歸嘛,那後來本部有掌握他相關的行蹤啦,外遺有掌握他相關的行蹤那目前他已經逮捕了,已經在入監服刑當中\n我們按照規定如果外遇監預期\n委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n那目前為止我們還有沒有類似這個這個外衣間脫逃的受刑人還沒有逮捕到回歸的近十年來我們外衣間脫逃人數大概47人到目前為止在就剩下一位大概是花蓮那個外衣這強外衣間在111年脫逃的一個一個外衣間受刑人到目前為止還沒棄貨其他的都已經棄貨\n那對於預期未歸的這些受刑人在不管是自首或是被逮捕歸案以後會受到什麼樣的懲處我們都是會以這個脫逃罪來辦理嗎?行責的部分他當然要負擔這個脫逃罪的偵辦面問題\n陳俊宇\n那對於脫逃罪判刑確定的這個收容人所判的刑期若太輕只有幾個月是不是難以達到嚇阻或警惕的效果脫逃罪的部分在目前的刑責三年以下當然外界有些倡議覺得他刑責過低那我目前在修我們刑法上的脫逃罪我們的確是有要提高他刑責的部分把它提高來抑制這個脫逃人受刑人他可能產生脫逃的意念好所以我們近幾年外醫監\n這個已有這個數十件的脫逃案件那剛剛次長也有大概講了一下相信我們這個法務部對每個案應該都有進行過這個檢討那我再請教一下對於預期未歸的問題整體的改進方向我們有沒有比較完整的一個檢討方向\n跟委員報告當然從制度面我們剛剛有一個委員報告通報面我跟委員報告另外防範面我們外醫監我們現在是試圖的引進我們AI的科技技術就是說讓外醫監是不是戴腳鐐手銬用電子反力的部分讓他反加探測的時候能讓外醫監的這個更能夠掌握這個受刑人所以從科技面從法律面從業務面我們進行來做些相關的檢討\n所以我們外遇監視為了要讓受刑人能夠準備能夠這個銜接社會的一個制度不論是平時低度的這個管理或是反加探親的這個規定我想都是利益良善\n那但相對的脫逃或是再犯的風險也比較高所以畢竟我們沒有辦法完全去掌握一個人的這個行動和想法但是希望這個法務部能夠落實檢討並持續的精進這個外議間的管理\n那也請我們法務部在未來交接的這個過程提醒即將接任的團隊應該要多加注意也不要壞了設立外議間的這個美意也讓我們民眾能夠更加的信任那也讓這個制度可以持續更完善的一個推動的過程好以上\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.063 --> 00:39.857\n好謝謝主席有請我們那個黃長赤請次長我也好好次長早早好次長近期因為這個媒體的報導那我們總統在卸任前可能要行使特赦我相信這早上到現在也許多委員都在關心那這個特赦相關這個討論\n\n00:41.778 --> 01:11.318\n又再度成為我們社會矚目的一個焦點那今天的這一場專報來就我們總統行使特赦相關的法律問題來進行這個討論我們憲法第40條規定總統行使這個大赦特赦減刑及賦權的這個權利換言之就是說以上都是憲法所賦予總統的權利行使與否交由總統他本人來決定之那我想不管是司法院法務部或是在座的各位\n\n01:12.018 --> 01:28.755\n那都沒有辦法去干涉到總統的這個職權並且這個赦免是總統所採取的政治行為是一種對司法權的一個介入對於司法的威望以及權力分立的制度都有相當程度的影響那總統應該審慎考慮並以宏觀的這個視角來做出最適當的安排\n\n01:34.560 --> 01:48.978\n再次我想請教就是現在有對於特赦理由的討論但是從過去的這個案例來看特赦是不是也沒有對條件或原因來進行設限我想請市長回覆一下\n\n01:49.639 --> 02:07.902\n各位報告我們現在有關特赦的規定當然如同委員PPT上所講的是憲法上規定由總統來行使那具體的法律規範的部分就是赦免法的相關規範赦免法有做一些要件上的一些規定除此之外有關赦免的部分尤其特赦的部分就沒有其他的規範\n\n02:08.883 --> 02:25.072\n好那在就我們法務部所提出的這個書面報告當中有提到說特赦的程序這個赦免法第6條第一項規定總統的命令行政院轉令這個主管部也就是我們法務部\n\n02:26.232 --> 02:53.464\n為這個大赦特赦減刑復權之研議那也就是說請法務部對於特赦進行研議並離去處理建議請這個行政院再陳情給總統那我想請問剛剛政治也大概有回覆那可能總統那邊並沒有明確的指示那不管是被動或主動我們近期內我們法務部這個部內是不是有進行相關的這個評估的動作\n\n02:55.730 --> 03:22.057\n各位委員報告那我再次的強調就是說法務部到目前為止沒有收到行政院或來自於總統的令轉的相關特赦的研議這是第一部分第二部分法務部當然就社會相關的爭議事實或在意的事件法務部所屬的幕僚當然會做相關的研議所以有關於特赦最近的一些各方的意見法務部當然會做一些法律上的研議或者是個案上做一些處理當然會\n\n03:22.737 --> 03:39.035\n好那未來我們有沒有可能會提供給總統什麼方向的一個這個建議各位委員報告我們按照社民法的規定他必須要總統他得要教我們來研議發動權在於總統總統沒有如果沒有發動總統發動權的話我們不會沒有法務部本身沒有發動的可能性\n\n03:44.582 --> 04:13.744\n好那就我們法務部先前的這個回應來看還沒有得到來自府院的明確消息剛剛那個次長你也很明確的講那但有關這個特赦的業務應該有在處理包括考慮到相關的配套等等那假設假設今天總統決定這個行使特赦權了那後續我們法務部辦理的這個程序相關的這個程序需要多久的時間來完成\n\n04:14.571 --> 04:42.690\n各位委員報告看它特赦的範圍如果特赦特赦有兩種一個是刑的免除另外一個罪行宣告無效看它是特赦哪一種那如果我們接到特赦的特赦令的話按照我們赦免法第7條的規定法務部必須要發交證明給受赦免者那速度會很快因為就法務部來講我們說特赦令我們只發交一個特赦證明而已所以相關的程序特赦令來講它會很快的合法\n\n04:44.298 --> 05:02.761\n就這個部分我們看到這個赦免法第三條規定受罪行宣告之人經特赦者他免除其刑之執行其勤解特殊者得以其罪行之宣告為無效尤其後段有寫到\n\n05:03.742 --> 05:21.725\n情節特殊者得以其罪行之宣告為無效那我還是請教次長就是說後段所產生的這個效果是否大於前段的部分那是不是這個到底是免刑不免罪還是免刑又免罪\n\n05:22.325 --> 05:49.991\n各位報告特赦大概如同我剛才報告有兩種如果免足刑至執行的話他的罪子還存在的如果他事後再犯罪的話因為刑還存在他有可能會構成累犯那如果罪行都免的話他就等於一筆勾銷他後面如果說再犯罪罪行無效了嘛後面再犯罪他就沒有累犯的問題所以他的法律效果是不一樣的可以這樣子理解沒有錯通俗的理解可以來理解就是說第三條後段的罪行都免除\n\n05:57.635 --> 06:13.824\n所以應該還是要看總統如何來裁決才能夠決定最後達到的效果那另外由於這次的可能被特赦對象身份比較特殊也就是我們之前的元首那近期也有許多包括美國、韓國等\n\n06:15.365 --> 06:36.370\n過去特赦元首的經驗來加入討論即便各國對於特赦的法規有所差異政治體制也不盡相同但是對於特赦元首的這件事情同樣是高度的政治性、爭議性的議題那我們法務部是否也有參酌其他國家的案例來研擬更嚴謹的相關配套\n\n06:39.803 --> 06:50.054\n法務部就這個特赦部分當然我剛有提到包括美國、日本跟德國的特赦的制度法務部他都有相關的收集跟研議我們也當然會參酌國外有關特赦的經驗來研議適合本國的相關的特赦制度\n\n06:58.826 --> 07:25.316\n所以我想還是對於特赦與否我們還是尊重總統的職權不管是對於政治的這個衝擊還是對於司法的影響都是總統在決策過程中必須要去承擔的責任那相關的程序及配套需要我們法務部這邊協助辦理的部分也期待能夠透過這次的專報以及媒體朋友的這些報導讓社會大眾更加的清楚了解特赦的範圍跟這個效力能夠來減少這個誤解降低對立對於\n\n07:28.397 --> 07:43.716\n這次的這個議題本身來講這個理性的討論才有那個功效所以請我們法務部對這個部分應該去審慎評估那再來我想請教就是這個外衣間再傳這個脫逃的事件那在\n\n07:44.986 --> 07:57.625\n這前兩天傳出這個外衣間預期未歸涉及脫逃的這個案子是台南這個明德外衣間的方信受刑人那在11月13日放假期間沒有依規定\n\n07:59.025 --> 08:24.735\n到這個派出所報導但是在原定的這個應該返回的外遺間時間沒有正常的回間的情況幸好是在這個昨天警方已經找到這一位受刑人那我想請教就是目前這個專案小組對於本案所掌握的這個狀況以及處理的情形為什麼這一位受刑人會發生預期未歸的情況\n\n08:26.369 --> 08:44.305\n顧問報告,他理論上是這個13號的一點,他就應該要返回這個外遺監但後來他遇時未歸嘛,那後來本部有掌握他相關的行蹤啦,外遺有掌握他相關的行蹤那目前他已經逮捕了,已經在入監服刑當中\n\n08:46.434 --> 08:47.675\n我們按照規定如果外遇監預期\n\n09:00.913 --> 09:01.353\n委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n09:23.308 --> 09:47.270\n那目前為止我們還有沒有類似這個這個外衣間脫逃的受刑人還沒有逮捕到回歸的近十年來我們外衣間脫逃人數大概47人到目前為止在就剩下一位大概是花蓮那個外衣這強外衣間在111年脫逃的一個一個外衣間受刑人到目前為止還沒棄貨其他的都已經棄貨\n\n09:48.937 --> 10:03.281\n那對於預期未歸的這些受刑人在不管是自首或是被逮捕歸案以後會受到什麼樣的懲處我們都是會以這個脫逃罪來辦理嗎?行責的部分他當然要負擔這個脫逃罪的偵辦面問題\n\n10:05.742 --> 10:05.822\n陳俊宇\n\n10:25.387 --> 10:53.729\n那對於脫逃罪判刑確定的這個收容人所判的刑期若太輕只有幾個月是不是難以達到嚇阻或警惕的效果脫逃罪的部分在目前的刑責三年以下當然外界有些倡議覺得他刑責過低那我目前在修我們刑法上的脫逃罪我們的確是有要提高他刑責的部分把它提高來抑制這個脫逃人受刑人他可能產生脫逃的意念好所以我們近幾年外醫監\n\n10:55.130 --> 11:14.626\n這個已有這個數十件的脫逃案件那剛剛次長也有大概講了一下相信我們這個法務部對每個案應該都有進行過這個檢討那我再請教一下對於預期未歸的問題整體的改進方向我們有沒有比較完整的一個檢討方向\n\n11:15.186 --> 11:42.512\n跟委員報告當然從制度面我們剛剛有一個委員報告通報面我跟委員報告另外防範面我們外醫監我們現在是試圖的引進我們AI的科技技術就是說讓外醫監是不是戴腳鐐手銬用電子反力的部分讓他反加探測的時候能讓外醫監的這個更能夠掌握這個受刑人所以從科技面從法律面從業務面我們進行來做些相關的檢討\n\n11:44.737 --> 11:59.078\n所以我們外遇監視為了要讓受刑人能夠準備能夠這個銜接社會的一個制度不論是平時低度的這個管理或是反加探親的這個規定我想都是利益良善\n\n11:59.679 --> 12:14.154\n那但相對的脫逃或是再犯的風險也比較高所以畢竟我們沒有辦法完全去掌握一個人的這個行動和想法但是希望這個法務部能夠落實檢討並持續的精進這個外議間的管理\n\n12:17.717 --> 12:39.432\n那也請我們法務部在未來交接的這個過程提醒即將接任的團隊應該要多加注意也不要壞了設立外議間的這個美意也讓我們民眾能夠更加的信任那也讓這個制度可以持續更完善的一個推動的過程好以上\n\n","segments":[{"start":13.063,"end":39.857,"text":"好 謝謝主席有請我們那個黃長赤請次長我也好好 次長早早好 次長近期因為這個媒體的報導那我們總統在卸任前可能要行使特赦我相信這早上到現在也許多委員都在關心那這個特赦相關這個討論"},{"start":41.778,"end":71.318,"text":"又再度成為我們社會矚目的一個焦點那今天的這一場專報來就我們總統行使特赦相關的法律問題來進行這個討論我們憲法第40條規定總統行使這個大赦特赦減刑及賦權的這個權利換言之就是說以上都是憲法所賦予總統的權利行使與否交由總統他本人來決定之那我想不管是司法院法務部或是在座的各位"},{"start":72.018,"end":88.755,"text":"那都沒有辦法去干涉到總統的這個職權並且這個赦免是總統所採取的政治行為是一種對司法權的一個介入對於司法的威望以及權力分立的制度都有相當程度的影響那總統應該審慎考慮並以宏觀的這個視角來做出最適當的安排"},{"start":94.56,"end":108.978,"text":"再次我想請教就是現在有對於特赦理由的討論但是從過去的這個案例來看特赦是不是也沒有對條件或原因來進行設限我想請市長回覆一下"},{"start":109.639,"end":127.902,"text":"各位報告我們現在有關特赦的規定當然如同委員PPT上所講的是憲法上規定由總統來行使那具體的法律規範的部分就是赦免法的相關規範赦免法有做一些要件上的一些規定除此之外有關赦免的部分尤其特赦的部分就沒有其他的規範"},{"start":128.883,"end":145.072,"text":"好那在就我們法務部所提出的這個書面報告當中有提到說特赦的程序這個赦免法第6條第一項規定總統的命令行政院轉令這個主管部也就是我們法務部"},{"start":146.232,"end":173.464,"text":"為這個大赦特赦減刑復權之研議那也就是說請法務部對於特赦進行研議並離去處理建議請這個行政院再陳情給總統那我想請問剛剛政治也大概有回覆那可能總統那邊並沒有明確的指示那不管是被動或主動我們近期內我們法務部這個部內是不是有進行相關的這個評估的動作"},{"start":175.73,"end":202.057,"text":"各位委員報告那我再次的強調就是說法務部到目前為止沒有收到行政院或來自於總統的令轉的相關特赦的研議這是第一部分第二部分法務部當然就社會相關的爭議事實或在意的事件法務部所屬的幕僚當然會做相關的研議所以有關於特赦最近的一些各方的意見法務部當然會做一些法律上的研議或者是個案上做一些處理當然會"},{"start":202.737,"end":219.035,"text":"好那未來我們有沒有可能會提供給總統什麼方向的一個這個建議各位委員報告我們按照社民法的規定他必須要總統他得要教我們來研議發動權在於總統總統沒有如果沒有發動總統發動權的話我們不會沒有法務部本身沒有發動的可能性"},{"start":224.582,"end":253.744,"text":"好 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