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00:02:04,193\n農村再生基金借給了農業天然災害救助基金10.6億元,農業發展基金也借了15.3億元。我想請問一下部長,農村再生基金有沒有內部資金調度需要有算利率?\n\n7\n00:02:05,634 --> 00:02:29,220\n計席這樣的一個機制有沒有部長我跟委員說明就是農村再生基金本身就是有短期的借貸通常是因為我們在其他的基金像農發基金、農損基金在當年度發生的額度比較多的時候經過抱怨經過特措管理委員會同意以後會操之並決算那這個時候就用短期的是由那個農村再生基金去撥然後第二年國庫就會撥補\n\n8\n00:02:30,940 --> 00:02:51,065\n理解那個部長因為這基金當中有調度可是我想問一下就是我們基金當中的一個那個內部的調度都沒有計息對不對政府沒有計息嗎如果都沒有計息可是並不是所有的這種基金都沒有計息喔像我們新興的開發基金它就有定計息的相關的規定所以我在想說農村再生基金規模這麼大那\n\n9\n00:02:52,665 --> 00:03:13,974\n如果都沒有類似的規範的時候那資金的那個運用效能跟收益其實顯然就不太夠而且他如果說再比方說在農業部當不同基金當中可以直接這樣去營資的時候呢就感覺很像農業部的一個小金庫啦所以本席希望說就是對於這個季期的部分農業部能夠仔細的去參考去其他基金的一個\n\n10\n00:03:16,654 --> 00:03:39,013\n運作規劃的一個方式。」那麼對於農業天然災害救助基金跟農業發展基金,它有沒有償還計畫?那目前的時候預計什麼時候會還完?這個部分。這個部分因為我們每一筆對於就是向農在基金借錢的都是抱怨同意,不是農業部自己來的。然後行政院同意了以後第二年就會撥補。\n\n11\n00:03:40,654 --> 00:04:05,583\n對,可是這過程當中其實它撥補回來的時候其實就沒有計息嘛對不對?因為有些基金會有啦所以等於希望對這部分農業部能夠去考量一下能夠讓農在基金的時候其實能夠更有效益去用我想接下來我想特別去關心說我們農在基金是屬於農業特別收入基金裡面的一部分嘛因為我們的農業特別收入基金裡面有六個基金齁\n\n12\n00:04:06,403 --> 00:04:32,135\n那這六個基金當中的時候我想簡單來看一下在基金當中的時候農業特別社會基金裡頭它基本上就是逐年增加就表示農業部也認真在爭取這個部分那這邊我們給予肯定可是我們看到了一個漁業發展基金的部分漁業發展基金的時候其實非常的少除了110年有增加的部分可是110年增加的部分它其實是因為它\n\n13\n00:04:34,156 --> 00:04:43,290\n有認列95到99年的一個應追繳沒有追繳的一個損失的部分,對不對?所以他才增加一千多萬。那我要特別講的狀態就是在這個農業特別事務基因當中的時候\n\n14\n00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:56,703\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n15\n00:05:14,551 --> 00:05:31,960\n因為我們新竹漁港新竹漁港這是現在新竹漁港的一個狀態淤積到不行淤積到不行我再讓你看幾張照片這都是新竹漁港港內的狀態船就停在淤泥上面\n\n16\n00:05:33,951 --> 00:05:39,075\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院及第十五條條文\n\n17\n00:05:57,728 --> 00:06:12,005\n更多的一個資源去處理南寮漁港清淤的問題我想請問一下我們現在南寮漁港清淤去年今年有4900萬我知道目前已經在進行了明年的預算有沒有\n\n18\n00:06:12,895 --> 00:06:15,416\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n19\n00:06:42,189 --> 00:07:03,070\n對,那我們這邊預算要怎麼去找?不是一年2500萬,現在兩年4900萬就可以解決的問題啊。我想跟委員說明,我們年度邊的預算可能是針對他當年度可能的機率去清理,但是像這麼嚴重的情形應該有一次性的讓他紓盡,完了以後再用年度的經費去做維持。\n\n20\n00:07:04,592 --> 00:07:27,968\n議長很棒喔,你講到一次性的預算去清瘀整個清瘀完之後之後再用每一年,比方說2500萬到1900萬這樣的一個預算去維持嘛現在的狀態是我們一次性的清瘀預算在哪裡,你要怎麼去把它找出來農業署的預算,漁業署的預算這麼少,你要怎麼去幫漁業署協助解決新竹漁港的問題我跟委員說明喔,這個會,我想我會跟漁業署討論喔\n\n21\n00:07:30,109 --> 00:07:39,931\n案﹚立法院第11屆第12期經濟委員會及第十五條條文修正草案﹚立法院第12期經濟委員會及第十五條條文修正草案﹚立法院第12期經濟委員會及第十五條條文修正草案﹚立法院第12期經濟委員會及第十五條條文\n\n22\n00:07:59,375 --> 00:08:03,279\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n23\n00:08:22,156 --> 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