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a shameless lie」。"],["陳委員冠廷：沒錯、沒錯，確實是這樣子。那我們從參與WHA也好，到WHO，我們每一個想做的事情就是希望臺灣can help，就是臺灣能夠扮演一個積極的角色，不管在醫療，在健康政策上面……"],["吳部長釗燮：是。"],["陳委員冠廷：包含我記得好像姜冠宇醫師之前代表臺灣的世界醫師會出席執行委員會，針對抗生素的濫用、氣候變遷的議題都有發表聲明，就是說我們的參與是有目的性、有任務性，是希望對世界、對國際社會做出一些貢獻。"],["吳部長釗燮：有所貢獻，是。"],["陳委員冠廷：所以我們希望未來我們推動臺灣加入WHO的遊說團，能夠有更多外交部的人員來更積極的參與，然後去全力參與各個全球衛生機制的訴求……"],["吳部長釗燮：一定，這個一定。"],["陳委員冠廷：除了幫助我們自己之外，也是幫助別人。"],["吳部長釗燮：幫助國際社會，是。"],["陳委員冠廷：我特別要談到臺烏的醫療合作，我們今天有談到很多跟捷克，那為什麼要跟捷克合作？"],["吳部長釗燮：最主要的原因是因為我們跟烏克蘭之間直接的聯繫是有問題的，所以必須要透過一個跟烏克蘭友好，同時跟我們的關係也非常好的國家來進行。"],["陳委員冠廷：沒錯。第一，他們現在是在戰爭狀態；第二，我們沒有大使館能夠直接來提供協助，我們當然需要透過友善的第三國才能將各種資源送進去，並且要知道我們要把資源運進烏克蘭本身就會遇到很大的困難，你怎麼知道俄羅斯方面會不會在各個奇怪的地方去做出干擾的動作，所以有些機密、有些密件是必須要去保護的，特別是在安全的議題上面，特別是在烏克蘭的議題上面，我們要面臨的不僅僅是俄羅斯的侵擾而已，還有包含中國的力量。習近平最近訪問歐洲的時候，專門就是想要削弱跟分化歐洲，塞爾維亞、匈牙利，哪一個不是在歐盟、歐洲裡面處心積慮的想要削弱歐盟力量的，這很明顯，所以我們希望不要憂讒畏譏，不管是透過捷克或者是其他中東歐國家對我國比較友善的，你都必須要把資源完整的運送到烏克蘭，因為烏克蘭的勝利就是嚇阻中國的能量進入臺灣的一個最好的方式。所以……"],["吳部長釗燮：這是我最近在Foreign Affairs期刊上面寫那一篇文章最主要的立論，所以委員講的我百分之百贊成。"],["陳委員冠廷：我想下次，部長，我們再一起共同撰寫去投稿好了。"],["吳部長釗燮：是。"],["陳委員冠廷：之前烏克蘭的自由民主聯盟有拜會部長，也有拜會總統跟準總統……"],["吳部長釗燮：對。"],["陳委員冠廷：在他們拜會我的部分，它的副主席有說，因為烏克蘭囿於過去的發展模式，可能在科技跟醫療方面的科研能力還是需要更多的提升，所以我希望臺灣能夠跟烏克蘭在相關的領域合作，特別是在傷兵後續的治療，所以包含我們直接的支援，或者是包含醫師、醫護人員上面的協助，我覺得都可以透過衛福部等等，我們一起來思考合作的方向。因為我看國合會的資料，現在我們跟烏克蘭主要的合作是以農業融資為主，難民這部分是在羅馬尼亞有兒童社會心理支持的人道援助，我想未來可不可以像在越南、菲律賓、印尼、索馬利蘭等地一樣，我們有沒有辦法在烏克蘭當地，或者是周圍友好的國家推動醫事人員的訓練計畫？"],["吳部長釗燮：這方面我們正在推動當中，我們最主要是透過NGO，因為政府跟政府之間的聯繫的確是受到限制的，目前推動的項目包括燒燙傷或者是創傷症候群的治療等等，我想我們臺灣NGO的能量相當的龐大，我們外交部這邊也會協助我們的NGO來促成這個事情。"],["陳委員冠廷：好，謝謝。接下來的問題跟外交有關係，但是跟安全議題也有點關係，考量到未來我們外交跟國家安全其實都是一體化。普丁撤換國防部長蕭依古，換了一個經濟背景出身的文人部長，我擔心的是，換上文人部長此事顯現出來的可能性，就是未來俄羅斯可能會朝經濟戰、貿易戰、資源消耗戰這方面去做處理，所以我想請教部長，也是我們未來的國安會秘書長，針對這些事件、這些已經發生、正在發生的可能的安全的挑戰，有沒有什麼相關的因應方式？你要怎麼樣跟未來的國安、外交體系合作？"],["吳部長釗燮：非常謝謝委員。以現在國安會的角色，它就是從事部會之間的協調，尤其是在比較重要的涉及到外交和國防的部會裡面，必須要去做一些整合，去找尋出我們最好的政策方向。所以，未來我到國安會之後，也會秉持國安會向來的角色，希望能夠跟外交部、國防部以及陸委會之間都保持非常密切而友好的聯繫，讓我們的政策是在協調之下產生的。"],["陳委員冠廷：好，謝謝部長。最後，最近在上個月、上上個月我們訪日的時候，主要是在訪問日本的國會議員，有多位國會議員談到，針對未來的外交，特別是對日外交的部分，蕭美琴準副總統可能在一週之後就會正式上任，他們也提到，因為這一次蕭美琴準副總統在訪歐、訪美的過程當中，他們覺得有點遺憾就是怎麼沒有去訪問日本，我想請問對日關係這部分，我們的蕭副總統在外交領域上也是涉獵很多，未來會有什麼樣的方向？"],["吳部長釗燮：基本的方向就是，在外交和國防的領域上，蕭副總統也被賦予高度的責任來協助我們各個部會，協助我們國安會，所以未來不管是對日、對美等等的，我相信蕭副總統會扮演非常重要的角色，目前所有政府相關部門的首長跟蕭副總統之間也有非常好的合作關係，所以我相信他的角色以及他的貢獻度應該是會很大。"],["陳委員冠廷：好，非常期待，因為我們接下來包含林佳龍未來的外長，還有吳部長，也是未來的國安會秘書長，加上蕭副總統，基本上在外交領域上面都有相當的涉獵，特別是蕭副總統（蕭大使）曾經駐美的時間也蠻長的，我們希望對日本的關係，因為接下來可以很明顯地看到，整個第一島鏈包括菲律賓、臺灣跟日本，加強第一島鏈各國間的關係跟安全保障的合作是非常重要的，我們當然知道除了要加強對美外交之外，我們的鄰國，一個在北，一個在南，它是我們安全上面的屏障，不管在海洋資源、在陸、海、空上面的情報交換都很重要，所以我們把我們訪問國會議員的時候得到的一些資訊，我覺得還是要跟未來的蕭副總統再提到這一點……"],["吳部長釗燮：一定。"],["陳委員冠廷：針對日本的國會，特別日本跟美國之間的關係也是非常密切的，我們是希望能夠再加強對話，讓他們知道我國不僅僅重視美國，日本也是我們堅實的盟友，希望加強這一個部分，謝謝。"],["吳部長釗燮：當然，非常謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝。待會洪申翰委員質詢完畢後，休息5分鐘，現在請黃仁委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":146,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-35-20","speakers":["馬文君","邱志偉","徐巧芯","羅廷瑋","林楚茵","羅智強","羅美玲","王定宇","陳永康","蘇巧慧","陳冠廷","黃仁","洪申翰","林憶君","沈伯洋","黃秀芳","黃國昌","陳菁徽","王鴻薇","莊瑞雄","李坤城","吳思瑤","郭昱晴","楊瓊瓔","范雲","陳培瑜","王正旭","林月琴","牛煦庭","翁曉玲","葉元之","張雅琳","林思銘"],"page_start":59,"meetingDate":["2024-05-15"],"gazette_id":"1134501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1134501_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長吳釗燮報告「推動國際社會聲援我國參與世界衛生大會（ 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00:03:09,113\n部長外交部對這些的言論的立場是什麼有關於我們去參與世界衛生組織如果說要基於九二共識那依照中國所說的九二共識就是接受我們台灣當成是他們的一部分而且要接受一國兩制如果說要這樣子才能夠去參加世界衛生組織的話這個對我們台灣來講是極端不公平的事情\n\n11\n00:03:12,995 --> 00:03:13,115\n沒錯,跟中國無關\n\n12\n00:03:40,623 --> 00:04:02,720\n所以他們所寫的就是錯、假、亂、訊息那我們也希望社群媒體在這個時候就要直接扮演他的角色直接在他下面散播的就直接來把它寫上去那我們希望透過這樣子的方式那第一時間給這些中外的媒體讓所有的人都知道說這是錯、假、亂的訊息那把我們嚴正的立場講出來\n\n13\n00:04:03,981 --> 00:04:29,219\n對接下來的社群媒體尤其是推特我們會針對那個世界衛生大會的這些相關的狀況我們又會有一系列的這些推文那也希望部長能完整交接這個外交部的這個相關的社群媒體給我們下一任部長然後並且把這些重要的提點用備忘物的方式給部長下一任部長讓他們知道說快速來針對錯假亂訊息的回應在社群媒體上面是非常重要的\n\n14\n00:04:30,260 --> 00:04:51,941\n那再來就是1971年這個我們失去聯合國的席次那包含在1972年是被迫退出世界衛生組織90年代末我們李總統採取彈性外交都是這樣子的無功而返那當2003年的時候SARS的時候中國不只反對台灣加入那個殺主抗還說誰理你們這些都是傷透台灣人民的心啊\n\n15\n00:04:52,981 --> 00:05:17,671\n那個中國政府不只是這樣子講中國政府還在國際社會上面去說台灣人民的健康福祉是由中國政府來照顧的像這種謊話他們都敢講對他們都敢講我們也要敢去來去把他們的任何一個都給予於你的嚴正的博士我那時候在當總統府的副秘書長我對著國際媒體講It'sashamelesslie沒錯\n\n16\n00:05:18,331 --> 00:05:31,806\n從參與WHA也好到WHO我們每一個想做的事情就是希望台灣可以幫助台灣能夠扮演一個積極的角色不管在醫療在健康政策上面\n\n17\n00:05:33,228 --> 00:05:51,505\n姜冠宇醫師之前代表台灣的世界醫師會出席執行委員會針對抗生素的濫用、氣候變遷的議題都發表聲明就是說我們參與是有目的性是有任務性是希望對世界對國際社會是做出一些貢獻所以我們是希望說未來\n\n18\n00:05:52,626 --> 00:06:10,825\n我們推動台灣加入WHA的這個遊說團能夠有更多外交部的人員來更積極的參與然後來去全力參與各個全球衛生機制的訴求那除了幫助我們自己之外也是幫助別人我特別要談到臺烏的醫療合作我們今天有談到很多跟捷克那為什麼要跟捷克合作\n\n19\n00:06:12,011 --> 00:06:37,345\n最主要的原因是因為我們跟烏克蘭直接的聯繫是有問題的所以必須要透過一個跟烏克蘭友好的國家也跟我們關係非常好的國家來進行第一他們現在是在戰爭狀態第二我們沒有直接的大使館能夠來提供直接的協助我們當然是需要友善的第三國來透過各種資源進入並且要知道說我們要把資源運進烏克蘭\n\n20\n00:06:38,686 --> 00:07:06,738\n本身就是要遇到很大的困難你怎麼知道俄羅斯方面會不會在各個奇怪的地方來去做出干擾的動作所以有些機密有些密件是必須要去保護的那特別是在安全的議題上面特別是在烏克蘭的議題上面我們要面臨的不僅僅是俄羅斯的侵擾而已還有包含中國的力量那習近平最近在訪問歐洲的時候專門就是想要削弱跟分化歐洲塞爾維亞、匈牙利哪一個不是在歐盟、歐洲裡面是\n\n21\n00:07:07,358 --> 00:07:28,112\n主心積慮在效力歐盟的力量這很明顯所以我們希望說不要憂慘未及不管是透過捷克或者是其他中東歐國家對我國比較友善的都必須要把資源完整的運送到烏克蘭因為烏克蘭的勝利就是嚇阻中國的能量進入台灣的一個最好的方式\n\n22\n00:07:29,492 --> 00:07:46,597\n這是我最近在ForeignAffairs上面寫那篇文章的最主要的那個立論所以委員講的我百分之百贊成我想下次部長我們再一起共同撰寫來去投稿好了之前烏克蘭的自由民主聯盟我想也有拜會部長有拜會總統跟準總統那我想\n\n23\n00:07:47,797 --> 00:08:03,186\n在他們拜會我的部分他副主席有說因為烏克蘭又有過去的發展模式那可能在科技跟醫療方面的科研能力還是需要更多的提升所以我是希望說台灣能夠在相關的領域合作特別是在傷兵後續的治療\n\n24\n00:08:03,706 --> 00:08:31,627\n所以包含我們的這個直接的支援或者是包含醫師上面的協助醫護人員上面的協助我作為學者可以透過衛福部等等我們一起來思考方向因為我看國和會的資料現在主要的合作跟烏克蘭的合作是以農業農資為主那難民是在羅馬尼亞有兒童社會心理支持的人到援助我想說未來可不可以在越南菲律賓印尼索馬利蘭等地一樣我們有沒有辦法在烏克蘭當地或者是周圍友好的國家推動醫師人員的訓練計畫\n\n25\n00:08:34,048 --> 00:08:59,456\n這個是我們正在那個推動當中那我們最主要是透過NGO因為政府跟政府之間的確是那個聯繫是受到限制的那這個推動的項目就包括說燒燙傷或者是說那個創傷症候群的這些治療等等的那我想我們台灣的那個NGO的這個能量是相當的龐大那我們外交部這邊會協助我們的這個NGO來促成這個事情\n\n26\n00:09:00,276 --> 00:09:15,323\n好謝謝那接下來跟外交有關係但是跟安全議題也是有點關係要考量到未來我們外交跟國家安全其實都是一體化那普丁他撤換國防部長稍微股換了一個經濟背景出身的文人部長\n\n27\n00:09:16,425 --> 00:09:32,017\n我擔心的是說這個文能部長他所顯現出來的可能性就是未來俄羅斯可能會朝向經濟戰貿易戰資源消耗戰這方面去做處理所以我想請教部長那也是我們\n\n28\n00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:49,255\n國安會秘書長,針對這些事件、這些已經發生、正在發生的可能的安全的挑戰,你有沒有什麼相關的因應方式?你要怎麼樣跟未來的國安外交體系做合作?\n\n29\n00:09:50,844 --> 00:10:09,449\n非常謝謝委員以現在國安會的角色它就是在部會之間的協調尤其是在比較重要的涉及到外交和國防的部會裡面必須要去做一些整合去找尋出我們最好的政策的方向\n\n30\n00:10:10,229 --> 00:10:25,627\n所以未來到國安會區之後也會秉持這個國安會向來的這個角色希望能夠跟外交部之間跟國防部以及陸委會之間都保持非常密切的這種友好的聯繫讓我們的這個政策是在協調之下產生的\n\n31\n00:10:26,493 --> 00:10:27,794\n主要是在訪問日本的國會議員有多位國會議員有談到針對未來的外交特別是對日的外交的部分\n\n32\n00:10:44,950 --> 00:11:10,647\n蕭美琴準副總統可能在一週之後就會正式上任他們也提到是說因為在這一次蕭美琴準副總統在訪歐訪美的過程當中他們覺得有點遺憾就是說怎麼沒有去訪問日本那我想請問這個部分對日本的這個關係那未來我們的蕭副總統在外交領域上面也是設立很多會有什麼樣的方向\n\n33\n00:11:12,778 --> 00:11:33,072\n這個基本的方向就是說那個肖副總統他也是被賦予這種高度的這個責任在外交和國防的這個領域上面都能夠來協助我們各個部會協助我們國安會所以未來不管是對日對美等等的那我相信那個肖副總統他會扮演非常重要的角色那我想\n\n34\n00:11:33,692 --> 00:11:44,260\n目前的所有的這些政府的部門的首長跟蕭副總統之間也有非常好的這種合作的關係所以我相信他的這個角色以及他的這個貢獻度應該是會很大\n\n35\n00:11:46,863 --> 00:12:12,511\n非常期待因為我們接下來大概是包含林佳龍未來的外長那還有吳部長那未來是官會秘書長加上蕭副總統基本上都在外交領域上面都有相當的涉獵特別是蕭副總統蕭大使曾經在美國的這個駐美的時間也是蠻長的那我們希望對日本的關係因為接下來可以很明顯的看到整個這個第一島鏈菲律賓臺灣跟日本\n\n36\n00:12:14,272 --> 00:12:33,379\n那我們在加強第一島鏈的關係跟安全保障的合作是非常重要的我們當然是要對美外交的加強之外我們就在我們的鄰國一個在北一個在南那他是我們安全上面的屏障不管在海洋資源在陸海空上面的情報的交換都很重要所以我們把這個我們訪問的時候國會議員訪問的時候的一些\n\n37\n00:12:37,321 --> 00:12:37,441\n當然,非常謝謝委員。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n349\t2511\t請問外交部長請問部長請問委員好部長好部長我今年想討論一下台灣參加世界衛生組織的策略\n14841\t16082\t美國前國務卿蓬佩奧在自傳說\n31292\t51998\t他的賽上位是靠中共來支持那加上中共現在是世衛的主要的捐助國那外交部評估在未來三年內台灣參與WHA的這個機會是樂觀的嗎我覺得這個需要長期的努力啦那我們所要爭取的就是有更多的這個國家政府\n52998\t66224\t議會以及當地的重要的這個人物能夠支持我們那這個努力的這個過程大家都看到逐漸累積那個成果那如果說支持的這個人數國家數夠多的話那我想這個就是水到渠成的時候\n66738\t92137\t我想跟部長還有我們所有的民眾我覺得還是談一下台灣參加世界衛生組織他可能過程中會受到中國的各式各樣的打壓但是我們不能夠聚戰我們不能夠害怕在這一個辯論過程中爭取的這個機會所以包含剛才我們提到的社群媒體的發聲把這樣的中共的荒謬之處來說出來透過社群媒體這些都是非常正確的做法\n92757\t108258\t所以當我問部長熱觀不熱觀的時候我們是要問的是我們要不要參與的這一張態度我們這樣子的說法我們這樣子的narrative是怎麼樣我們必須在論述上面能夠跟中共對抗我們未來才會有機會或許今年沒有辦法或許明年沒有辦法\n108999\t109159\t李卓人議員\n125646\t128089\t但中共外交部發言人汪文斌前天在臉書的粉專上說\n147449\t162365\t我們看到這些相關的文字是說九二共識是台灣參與WHA的政治基礎中國在一中原則下妥善安排台灣地區參與全球衛生事務尤其是2023年中央批准全台醫學技術專家21件申請參加WHA的技術活動\n165097\t189113\t部長外交部對這些的言論的立場是什麼有關於我們去參與世界衛生組織如果說要基於九二共識那依照中國所說的九二共識就是接受我們台灣當成是他們的一部分而且要接受一國兩制如果說要這樣子才能夠去參加世界衛生組織的話這個對我們台灣來講是極端不公平的事情\n192995\t193115\t沒錯,跟中國無關\n220623\t242720\t所以他們所寫的就是錯、假、亂、訊息那我們也希望社群媒體在這個時候就要直接扮演他的角色直接在他下面散播的就直接來把它寫上去那我們希望透過這樣子的方式那第一時間給這些中外的媒體讓所有的人都知道說這是錯、假、亂的訊息那把我們嚴正的立場講出來\n243981\t269219\t對接下來的社群媒體尤其是推特我們會針對那個世界衛生大會的這些相關的狀況我們又會有一系列的這些推文那也希望部長能完整交接這個外交部的這個相關的社群媒體給我們下一任部長然後並且把這些重要的提點用備忘物的方式給部長下一任部長讓他們知道說快速來針對錯假亂訊息的回應在社群媒體上面是非常重要的\n270260\t291941\t那再來就是1971年這個我們失去聯合國的席次那包含在1972年是被迫退出世界衛生組織90年代末我們李總統採取彈性外交都是這樣子的無功而返那當2003年的時候SARS的時候中國不只反對台灣加入那個殺主抗還說誰理你們這些都是傷透台灣人民的心啊\n292981\t317671\t那個中國政府不只是這樣子講中國政府還在國際社會上面去說台灣人民的健康福祉是由中國政府來照顧的像這種謊話他們都敢講對 他們都敢講我們也要敢去來去把他們的任何一個都給予於你的嚴正的博士我那時候在當總統府的副秘書長我對著國際媒體講It's a shameless lie沒錯\n318331\t331806\t從參與WHA也好到WHO我們每一個想做的事情就是希望台灣可以幫助台灣能夠扮演一個積極的角色不管在醫療在健康政策上面\n333228\t351505\t姜冠宇醫師之前代表台灣的世界醫師會出席執行委員會針對抗生素的濫用、氣候變遷的議題都發表聲明就是說我們參與是有目的性是有任務性是希望對世界對國際社會是做出一些貢獻所以我們是希望說未來\n352626\t370825\t我們推動台灣加入WHA的這個遊說團能夠有更多外交部的人員來更積極的參與然後來去全力參與各個全球衛生機制的訴求那除了幫助我們自己之外也是幫助別人我特別要談到臺烏的醫療合作我們今天有談到很多跟捷克那為什麼要跟捷克合作\n372011\t397345\t最主要的原因是因為我們跟烏克蘭直接的聯繫是有問題的所以必須要透過一個跟烏克蘭友好的國家也跟我們關係非常好的國家來進行第一他們現在是在戰爭狀態第二我們沒有直接的大使館能夠來提供直接的協助我們當然是需要友善的第三國來透過各種資源進入並且要知道說我們要把資源運進烏克蘭\n398686\t426738\t本身就是要遇到很大的困難你怎麼知道俄羅斯方面會不會在各個奇怪的地方來去做出干擾的動作所以有些機密有些密件是必須要去保護的那特別是在安全的議題上面特別是在烏克蘭的議題上面我們要面臨的不僅僅是俄羅斯的侵擾而已還有包含中國的力量那習近平最近在訪問歐洲的時候專門就是想要削弱跟分化歐洲塞爾維亞、匈牙利哪一個不是在歐盟、歐洲裡面是\n427358\t448112\t主心積慮在效力歐盟的力量這很明顯所以我們希望說不要憂慘未及不管是透過捷克或者是其他中東歐國家對我國比較友善的都必須要把資源完整的運送到烏克蘭因為烏克蘭的勝利就是嚇阻中國的能量進入台灣的一個最好的方式\n449492\t466597\t這是我最近在Foreign Affairs上面寫那篇文章的最主要的那個立論所以委員講的我百分之百贊成我想下次部長我們再一起共同撰寫來去投稿好了之前烏克蘭的自由民主聯盟我想也有拜會部長有拜會總統跟準總統那我想\n467797\t483186\t在他們拜會我的部分他副主席有說因為烏克蘭又有過去的發展模式那可能在科技跟醫療方面的科研能力還是需要更多的提升所以我是希望說台灣能夠在相關的領域合作特別是在傷兵後續的治療\n483706\t511627\t所以包含我們的這個直接的支援或者是包含醫師上面的協助醫護人員上面的協助我作為學者可以透過衛福部等等我們一起來思考方向因為我看國和會的資料現在主要的合作跟烏克蘭的合作是以農業農資為主那難民是在羅馬尼亞有兒童社會心理支持的人到援助我想說未來可不可以在越南菲律賓印尼索馬利蘭等地一樣我們有沒有辦法在烏克蘭當地或者是周圍友好的國家推動醫師人員的訓練計畫\n514048\t539456\t這個是我們正在那個推動當中那我們最主要是透過NGO因為政府跟政府之間的確是那個聯繫是受到限制的那這個推動的項目就包括說燒燙傷或者是說那個創傷症候群的這些治療等等的那我想我們台灣的那個NGO的這個能量是相當的龐大那我們外交部這邊會協助我們的這個NGO來促成這個事情\n540276\t555323\t好謝謝那接下來跟外交有關係但是跟安全議題也是有點關係要考量到未來我們外交跟國家安全其實都是一體化那普丁他撤換國防部長稍微股換了一個經濟背景出身的文人部長\n556425\t572017\t我擔心的是說這個文能部長他所顯現出來的可能性就是未來俄羅斯可能會朝向經濟戰貿易戰資源消耗戰這方面去做處理所以我想請教部長那也是我們\n575320\t589255\t國安會秘書長,針對這些事件、這些已經發生、正在發生的可能的安全的挑戰,你有沒有什麼相關的因應方式?你要怎麼樣跟未來的國安外交體系做合作?\n590844\t609449\t非常謝謝委員以現在國安會的角色它就是在部會之間的協調尤其是在比較重要的涉及到外交和國防的部會裡面必須要去做一些整合去找尋出我們最好的政策的方向\n610229\t625627\t所以未來到國安會區之後也會秉持這個國安會向來的這個角色希望能夠跟外交部之間跟國防部以及陸委會之間都保持非常密切的這種友好的聯繫讓我們的這個政策是在協調之下產生的\n626493\t627794\t主要是在訪問日本的國會議員有多位國會議員有談到針對未來的外交特別是對日的外交的部分\n644950\t670647\t蕭美琴準副總統可能在一週之後就會正式上任他們也提到是說因為在這一次蕭美琴準副總統在訪歐訪美的過程當中他們覺得有點遺憾就是說怎麼沒有去訪問日本那我想請問這個部分對日本的這個關係那未來我們的蕭副總統在外交領域上面也是設立很多會有什麼樣的方向\n672778\t693072\t這個基本的方向就是說那個肖副總統他也是被賦予這種高度的這個責任在外交和國防的這個領域上面都能夠來協助我們各個部會協助我們國安會所以未來不管是對日對美等等的那我相信那個肖副總統他會扮演非常重要的角色那我想\n693692\t704260\t目前的所有的這些政府的部門的首長跟蕭副總統之間也有非常好的這種合作的關係所以我相信他的這個角色以及他的這個貢獻度應該是會很大\n706863\t732511\t非常期待因為我們接下來大概是包含林佳龍未來的外長那還有吳部長那未來是官會秘書長加上蕭副總統基本上都在外交領域上面都有相當的涉獵特別是蕭副總統蕭大使曾經在美國的這個駐美的時間也是蠻長的那我們希望對日本的關係因為接下來可以很明顯的看到整個這個第一島鏈菲律賓臺灣跟日本\n734272\t753379\t那我們在加強第一島鏈的關係跟安全保障的合作是非常重要的我們當然是要對美外交的加強之外我們就在我們的鄰國一個在北一個在南那他是我們安全上面的屏障不管在海洋資源在陸海空上面的情報的交換都很重要所以我們把這個我們訪問的時候國會議員訪問的時候的一些\n757321\t757441\t當然,非常謝謝委員。\n","txt":"請問外交部長請問部長請問委員好部長好部長我今年想討論一下台灣參加世界衛生組織的策略\n美國前國務卿蓬佩奧在自傳說\n他的賽上位是靠中共來支持那加上中共現在是世衛的主要的捐助國那外交部評估在未來三年內台灣參與WHA的這個機會是樂觀的嗎我覺得這個需要長期的努力啦那我們所要爭取的就是有更多的這個國家政府\n議會以及當地的重要的這個人物能夠支持我們那這個努力的這個過程大家都看到逐漸累積那個成果那如果說支持的這個人數國家數夠多的話那我想這個就是水到渠成的時候\n我想跟部長還有我們所有的民眾我覺得還是談一下台灣參加世界衛生組織他可能過程中會受到中國的各式各樣的打壓但是我們不能夠聚戰我們不能夠害怕在這一個辯論過程中爭取的這個機會所以包含剛才我們提到的社群媒體的發聲把這樣的中共的荒謬之處來說出來透過社群媒體這些都是非常正確的做法\n所以當我問部長熱觀不熱觀的時候我們是要問的是我們要不要參與的這一張態度我們這樣子的說法我們這樣子的narrative是怎麼樣我們必須在論述上面能夠跟中共對抗我們未來才會有機會或許今年沒有辦法或許明年沒有辦法\n李卓人議員\n但中共外交部發言人汪文斌前天在臉書的粉專上說\n我們看到這些相關的文字是說九二共識是台灣參與WHA的政治基礎中國在一中原則下妥善安排台灣地區參與全球衛生事務尤其是2023年中央批准全台醫學技術專家21件申請參加WHA的技術活動\n部長外交部對這些的言論的立場是什麼有關於我們去參與世界衛生組織如果說要基於九二共識那依照中國所說的九二共識就是接受我們台灣當成是他們的一部分而且要接受一國兩制如果說要這樣子才能夠去參加世界衛生組織的話這個對我們台灣來講是極端不公平的事情\n沒錯,跟中國無關\n所以他們所寫的就是錯、假、亂、訊息那我們也希望社群媒體在這個時候就要直接扮演他的角色直接在他下面散播的就直接來把它寫上去那我們希望透過這樣子的方式那第一時間給這些中外的媒體讓所有的人都知道說這是錯、假、亂的訊息那把我們嚴正的立場講出來\n對接下來的社群媒體尤其是推特我們會針對那個世界衛生大會的這些相關的狀況我們又會有一系列的這些推文那也希望部長能完整交接這個外交部的這個相關的社群媒體給我們下一任部長然後並且把這些重要的提點用備忘物的方式給部長下一任部長讓他們知道說快速來針對錯假亂訊息的回應在社群媒體上面是非常重要的\n那再來就是1971年這個我們失去聯合國的席次那包含在1972年是被迫退出世界衛生組織90年代末我們李總統採取彈性外交都是這樣子的無功而返那當2003年的時候SARS的時候中國不只反對台灣加入那個殺主抗還說誰理你們這些都是傷透台灣人民的心啊\n那個中國政府不只是這樣子講中國政府還在國際社會上面去說台灣人民的健康福祉是由中國政府來照顧的像這種謊話他們都敢講對 他們都敢講我們也要敢去來去把他們的任何一個都給予於你的嚴正的博士我那時候在當總統府的副秘書長我對著國際媒體講It's a shameless lie沒錯\n從參與WHA也好到WHO我們每一個想做的事情就是希望台灣可以幫助台灣能夠扮演一個積極的角色不管在醫療在健康政策上面\n姜冠宇醫師之前代表台灣的世界醫師會出席執行委員會針對抗生素的濫用、氣候變遷的議題都發表聲明就是說我們參與是有目的性是有任務性是希望對世界對國際社會是做出一些貢獻所以我們是希望說未來\n我們推動台灣加入WHA的這個遊說團能夠有更多外交部的人員來更積極的參與然後來去全力參與各個全球衛生機制的訴求那除了幫助我們自己之外也是幫助別人我特別要談到臺烏的醫療合作我們今天有談到很多跟捷克那為什麼要跟捷克合作\n最主要的原因是因為我們跟烏克蘭直接的聯繫是有問題的所以必須要透過一個跟烏克蘭友好的國家也跟我們關係非常好的國家來進行第一他們現在是在戰爭狀態第二我們沒有直接的大使館能夠來提供直接的協助我們當然是需要友善的第三國來透過各種資源進入並且要知道說我們要把資源運進烏克蘭\n本身就是要遇到很大的困難你怎麼知道俄羅斯方面會不會在各個奇怪的地方來去做出干擾的動作所以有些機密有些密件是必須要去保護的那特別是在安全的議題上面特別是在烏克蘭的議題上面我們要面臨的不僅僅是俄羅斯的侵擾而已還有包含中國的力量那習近平最近在訪問歐洲的時候專門就是想要削弱跟分化歐洲塞爾維亞、匈牙利哪一個不是在歐盟、歐洲裡面是\n主心積慮在效力歐盟的力量這很明顯所以我們希望說不要憂慘未及不管是透過捷克或者是其他中東歐國家對我國比較友善的都必須要把資源完整的運送到烏克蘭因為烏克蘭的勝利就是嚇阻中國的能量進入台灣的一個最好的方式\n這是我最近在Foreign Affairs上面寫那篇文章的最主要的那個立論所以委員講的我百分之百贊成我想下次部長我們再一起共同撰寫來去投稿好了之前烏克蘭的自由民主聯盟我想也有拜會部長有拜會總統跟準總統那我想\n在他們拜會我的部分他副主席有說因為烏克蘭又有過去的發展模式那可能在科技跟醫療方面的科研能力還是需要更多的提升所以我是希望說台灣能夠在相關的領域合作特別是在傷兵後續的治療\n所以包含我們的這個直接的支援或者是包含醫師上面的協助醫護人員上面的協助我作為學者可以透過衛福部等等我們一起來思考方向因為我看國和會的資料現在主要的合作跟烏克蘭的合作是以農業農資為主那難民是在羅馬尼亞有兒童社會心理支持的人到援助我想說未來可不可以在越南菲律賓印尼索馬利蘭等地一樣我們有沒有辦法在烏克蘭當地或者是周圍友好的國家推動醫師人員的訓練計畫\n這個是我們正在那個推動當中那我們最主要是透過NGO因為政府跟政府之間的確是那個聯繫是受到限制的那這個推動的項目就包括說燒燙傷或者是說那個創傷症候群的這些治療等等的那我想我們台灣的那個NGO的這個能量是相當的龐大那我們外交部這邊會協助我們的這個NGO來促成這個事情\n好謝謝那接下來跟外交有關係但是跟安全議題也是有點關係要考量到未來我們外交跟國家安全其實都是一體化那普丁他撤換國防部長稍微股換了一個經濟背景出身的文人部長\n我擔心的是說這個文能部長他所顯現出來的可能性就是未來俄羅斯可能會朝向經濟戰貿易戰資源消耗戰這方面去做處理所以我想請教部長那也是我們\n國安會秘書長,針對這些事件、這些已經發生、正在發生的可能的安全的挑戰,你有沒有什麼相關的因應方式?你要怎麼樣跟未來的國安外交體系做合作?\n非常謝謝委員以現在國安會的角色它就是在部會之間的協調尤其是在比較重要的涉及到外交和國防的部會裡面必須要去做一些整合去找尋出我們最好的政策的方向\n所以未來到國安會區之後也會秉持這個國安會向來的這個角色希望能夠跟外交部之間跟國防部以及陸委會之間都保持非常密切的這種友好的聯繫讓我們的這個政策是在協調之下產生的\n主要是在訪問日本的國會議員有多位國會議員有談到針對未來的外交特別是對日的外交的部分\n蕭美琴準副總統可能在一週之後就會正式上任他們也提到是說因為在這一次蕭美琴準副總統在訪歐訪美的過程當中他們覺得有點遺憾就是說怎麼沒有去訪問日本那我想請問這個部分對日本的這個關係那未來我們的蕭副總統在外交領域上面也是設立很多會有什麼樣的方向\n這個基本的方向就是說那個肖副總統他也是被賦予這種高度的這個責任在外交和國防的這個領域上面都能夠來協助我們各個部會協助我們國安會所以未來不管是對日對美等等的那我相信那個肖副總統他會扮演非常重要的角色那我想\n目前的所有的這些政府的部門的首長跟蕭副總統之間也有非常好的這種合作的關係所以我相信他的這個角色以及他的這個貢獻度應該是會很大\n非常期待因為我們接下來大概是包含林佳龍未來的外長那還有吳部長那未來是官會秘書長加上蕭副總統基本上都在外交領域上面都有相當的涉獵特別是蕭副總統蕭大使曾經在美國的這個駐美的時間也是蠻長的那我們希望對日本的關係因為接下來可以很明顯的看到整個這個第一島鏈菲律賓臺灣跟日本\n那我們在加強第一島鏈的關係跟安全保障的合作是非常重要的我們當然是要對美外交的加強之外我們就在我們的鄰國一個在北一個在南那他是我們安全上面的屏障不管在海洋資源在陸海空上面的情報的交換都很重要所以我們把這個我們訪問的時候國會議員訪問的時候的一些\n當然,非常謝謝委員。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.349 --> 00:02.511\n請問外交部長請問部長請問委員好部長好部長我今年想討論一下台灣參加世界衛生組織的策略\n\n00:14.841 --> 00:16.082\n美國前國務卿蓬佩奧在自傳說\n\n00:31.292 --> 00:51.998\n他的賽上位是靠中共來支持那加上中共現在是世衛的主要的捐助國那外交部評估在未來三年內台灣參與WHA的這個機會是樂觀的嗎我覺得這個需要長期的努力啦那我們所要爭取的就是有更多的這個國家政府\n\n00:52.998 --> 01:06.224\n議會以及當地的重要的這個人物能夠支持我們那這個努力的這個過程大家都看到逐漸累積那個成果那如果說支持的這個人數國家數夠多的話那我想這個就是水到渠成的時候\n\n01:06.738 --> 01:32.137\n我想跟部長還有我們所有的民眾我覺得還是談一下台灣參加世界衛生組織他可能過程中會受到中國的各式各樣的打壓但是我們不能夠聚戰我們不能夠害怕在這一個辯論過程中爭取的這個機會所以包含剛才我們提到的社群媒體的發聲把這樣的中共的荒謬之處來說出來透過社群媒體這些都是非常正確的做法\n\n01:32.757 --> 01:48.258\n所以當我問部長熱觀不熱觀的時候我們是要問的是我們要不要參與的這一張態度我們這樣子的說法我們這樣子的narrative是怎麼樣我們必須在論述上面能夠跟中共對抗我們未來才會有機會或許今年沒有辦法或許明年沒有辦法\n\n01:48.999 --> 01:49.159\n李卓人議員\n\n02:05.646 --> 02:08.089\n但中共外交部發言人汪文斌前天在臉書的粉專上說\n\n02:27.449 --> 02:42.365\n我們看到這些相關的文字是說九二共識是台灣參與WHA的政治基礎中國在一中原則下妥善安排台灣地區參與全球衛生事務尤其是2023年中央批准全台醫學技術專家21件申請參加WHA的技術活動\n\n02:45.097 --> 03:09.113\n部長外交部對這些的言論的立場是什麼有關於我們去參與世界衛生組織如果說要基於九二共識那依照中國所說的九二共識就是接受我們台灣當成是他們的一部分而且要接受一國兩制如果說要這樣子才能夠去參加世界衛生組織的話這個對我們台灣來講是極端不公平的事情\n\n03:12.995 --> 03:13.115\n沒錯,跟中國無關\n\n03:40.623 --> 04:02.720\n所以他們所寫的就是錯、假、亂、訊息那我們也希望社群媒體在這個時候就要直接扮演他的角色直接在他下面散播的就直接來把它寫上去那我們希望透過這樣子的方式那第一時間給這些中外的媒體讓所有的人都知道說這是錯、假、亂的訊息那把我們嚴正的立場講出來\n\n04:03.981 --> 04:29.219\n對接下來的社群媒體尤其是推特我們會針對那個世界衛生大會的這些相關的狀況我們又會有一系列的這些推文那也希望部長能完整交接這個外交部的這個相關的社群媒體給我們下一任部長然後並且把這些重要的提點用備忘物的方式給部長下一任部長讓他們知道說快速來針對錯假亂訊息的回應在社群媒體上面是非常重要的\n\n04:30.260 --> 04:51.941\n那再來就是1971年這個我們失去聯合國的席次那包含在1972年是被迫退出世界衛生組織90年代末我們李總統採取彈性外交都是這樣子的無功而返那當2003年的時候SARS的時候中國不只反對台灣加入那個殺主抗還說誰理你們這些都是傷透台灣人民的心啊\n\n04:52.981 --> 05:17.671\n那個中國政府不只是這樣子講中國政府還在國際社會上面去說台灣人民的健康福祉是由中國政府來照顧的像這種謊話他們都敢講對他們都敢講我們也要敢去來去把他們的任何一個都給予於你的嚴正的博士我那時候在當總統府的副秘書長我對著國際媒體講It'sashamelesslie沒錯\n\n05:18.331 --> 05:31.806\n從參與WHA也好到WHO我們每一個想做的事情就是希望台灣可以幫助台灣能夠扮演一個積極的角色不管在醫療在健康政策上面\n\n05:33.228 --> 05:51.505\n姜冠宇醫師之前代表台灣的世界醫師會出席執行委員會針對抗生素的濫用、氣候變遷的議題都發表聲明就是說我們參與是有目的性是有任務性是希望對世界對國際社會是做出一些貢獻所以我們是希望說未來\n\n05:52.626 --> 06:10.825\n我們推動台灣加入WHA的這個遊說團能夠有更多外交部的人員來更積極的參與然後來去全力參與各個全球衛生機制的訴求那除了幫助我們自己之外也是幫助別人我特別要談到臺烏的醫療合作我們今天有談到很多跟捷克那為什麼要跟捷克合作\n\n06:12.011 --> 06:37.345\n最主要的原因是因為我們跟烏克蘭直接的聯繫是有問題的所以必須要透過一個跟烏克蘭友好的國家也跟我們關係非常好的國家來進行第一他們現在是在戰爭狀態第二我們沒有直接的大使館能夠來提供直接的協助我們當然是需要友善的第三國來透過各種資源進入並且要知道說我們要把資源運進烏克蘭\n\n06:38.686 --> 07:06.738\n本身就是要遇到很大的困難你怎麼知道俄羅斯方面會不會在各個奇怪的地方來去做出干擾的動作所以有些機密有些密件是必須要去保護的那特別是在安全的議題上面特別是在烏克蘭的議題上面我們要面臨的不僅僅是俄羅斯的侵擾而已還有包含中國的力量那習近平最近在訪問歐洲的時候專門就是想要削弱跟分化歐洲塞爾維亞、匈牙利哪一個不是在歐盟、歐洲裡面是\n\n07:07.358 --> 07:28.112\n主心積慮在效力歐盟的力量這很明顯所以我們希望說不要憂慘未及不管是透過捷克或者是其他中東歐國家對我國比較友善的都必須要把資源完整的運送到烏克蘭因為烏克蘭的勝利就是嚇阻中國的能量進入台灣的一個最好的方式\n\n07:29.492 --> 07:46.597\n這是我最近在ForeignAffairs上面寫那篇文章的最主要的那個立論所以委員講的我百分之百贊成我想下次部長我們再一起共同撰寫來去投稿好了之前烏克蘭的自由民主聯盟我想也有拜會部長有拜會總統跟準總統那我想\n\n07:47.797 --> 08:03.186\n在他們拜會我的部分他副主席有說因為烏克蘭又有過去的發展模式那可能在科技跟醫療方面的科研能力還是需要更多的提升所以我是希望說台灣能夠在相關的領域合作特別是在傷兵後續的治療\n\n08:03.706 --> 08:31.627\n所以包含我們的這個直接的支援或者是包含醫師上面的協助醫護人員上面的協助我作為學者可以透過衛福部等等我們一起來思考方向因為我看國和會的資料現在主要的合作跟烏克蘭的合作是以農業農資為主那難民是在羅馬尼亞有兒童社會心理支持的人到援助我想說未來可不可以在越南菲律賓印尼索馬利蘭等地一樣我們有沒有辦法在烏克蘭當地或者是周圍友好的國家推動醫師人員的訓練計畫\n\n08:34.048 --> 08:59.456\n這個是我們正在那個推動當中那我們最主要是透過NGO因為政府跟政府之間的確是那個聯繫是受到限制的那這個推動的項目就包括說燒燙傷或者是說那個創傷症候群的這些治療等等的那我想我們台灣的那個NGO的這個能量是相當的龐大那我們外交部這邊會協助我們的這個NGO來促成這個事情\n\n09:00.276 --> 09:15.323\n好謝謝那接下來跟外交有關係但是跟安全議題也是有點關係要考量到未來我們外交跟國家安全其實都是一體化那普丁他撤換國防部長稍微股換了一個經濟背景出身的文人部長\n\n09:16.425 --> 09:32.017\n我擔心的是說這個文能部長他所顯現出來的可能性就是未來俄羅斯可能會朝向經濟戰貿易戰資源消耗戰這方面去做處理所以我想請教部長那也是我們\n\n09:35.320 --> 09:49.255\n國安會秘書長,針對這些事件、這些已經發生、正在發生的可能的安全的挑戰,你有沒有什麼相關的因應方式?你要怎麼樣跟未來的國安外交體系做合作?\n\n09:50.844 --> 10:09.449\n非常謝謝委員以現在國安會的角色它就是在部會之間的協調尤其是在比較重要的涉及到外交和國防的部會裡面必須要去做一些整合去找尋出我們最好的政策的方向\n\n10:10.229 --> 10:25.627\n所以未來到國安會區之後也會秉持這個國安會向來的這個角色希望能夠跟外交部之間跟國防部以及陸委會之間都保持非常密切的這種友好的聯繫讓我們的這個政策是在協調之下產生的\n\n10:26.493 --> 10:27.794\n主要是在訪問日本的國會議員有多位國會議員有談到針對未來的外交特別是對日的外交的部分\n\n10:44.950 --> 11:10.647\n蕭美琴準副總統可能在一週之後就會正式上任他們也提到是說因為在這一次蕭美琴準副總統在訪歐訪美的過程當中他們覺得有點遺憾就是說怎麼沒有去訪問日本那我想請問這個部分對日本的這個關係那未來我們的蕭副總統在外交領域上面也是設立很多會有什麼樣的方向\n\n11:12.778 --> 11:33.072\n這個基本的方向就是說那個肖副總統他也是被賦予這種高度的這個責任在外交和國防的這個領域上面都能夠來協助我們各個部會協助我們國安會所以未來不管是對日對美等等的那我相信那個肖副總統他會扮演非常重要的角色那我想\n\n11:33.692 --> 11:44.260\n目前的所有的這些政府的部門的首長跟蕭副總統之間也有非常好的這種合作的關係所以我相信他的這個角色以及他的這個貢獻度應該是會很大\n\n11:46.863 --> 12:12.511\n非常期待因為我們接下來大概是包含林佳龍未來的外長那還有吳部長那未來是官會秘書長加上蕭副總統基本上都在外交領域上面都有相當的涉獵特別是蕭副總統蕭大使曾經在美國的這個駐美的時間也是蠻長的那我們希望對日本的關係因為接下來可以很明顯的看到整個這個第一島鏈菲律賓臺灣跟日本\n\n12:14.272 --> 12:33.379\n那我們在加強第一島鏈的關係跟安全保障的合作是非常重要的我們當然是要對美外交的加強之外我們就在我們的鄰國一個在北一個在南那他是我們安全上面的屏障不管在海洋資源在陸海空上面的情報的交換都很重要所以我們把這個我們訪問的時候國會議員訪問的時候的一些\n\n12:37.321 --> 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他們都敢講我們也要敢去來去把他們的任何一個都給予於你的嚴正的博士我那時候在當總統府的副秘書長我對著國際媒體講It's a shameless 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Affairs上面寫那篇文章的最主要的那個立論所以委員講的我百分之百贊成我想下次部長我們再一起共同撰寫來去投稿好了之前烏克蘭的自由民主聯盟我想也有拜會部長有拜會總統跟準總統那我想"},{"start":467.797,"end":483.186,"text":"在他們拜會我的部分他副主席有說因為烏克蘭又有過去的發展模式那可能在科技跟醫療方面的科研能力還是需要更多的提升所以我是希望說台灣能夠在相關的領域合作特別是在傷兵後續的治療"},{"start":483.706,"end":511.627,"text":"所以包含我們的這個直接的支援或者是包含醫師上面的協助醫護人員上面的協助我作為學者可以透過衛福部等等我們一起來思考方向因為我看國和會的資料現在主要的合作跟烏克蘭的合作是以農業農資為主那難民是在羅馬尼亞有兒童社會心理支持的人到援助我想說未來可不可以在越南菲律賓印尼索馬利蘭等地一樣我們有沒有辦法在烏克蘭當地或者是周圍友好的國家推動醫師人員的訓練計畫"},{"start":514.048,"end":539.456,"text":"這個是我們正在那個推動當中那我們最主要是透過NGO因為政府跟政府之間的確是那個聯繫是受到限制的那這個推動的項目就包括說燒燙傷或者是說那個創傷症候群的這些治療等等的那我想我們台灣的那個NGO的這個能量是相當的龐大那我們外交部這邊會協助我們的這個NGO來促成這個事情"},{"start":540.276,"end":555.323,"text":"好謝謝那接下來跟外交有關係但是跟安全議題也是有點關係要考量到未來我們外交跟國家安全其實都是一體化那普丁他撤換國防部長稍微股換了一個經濟背景出身的文人部長"},{"start":556.425,"end":572.017,"text":"我擔心的是說這個文能部長他所顯現出來的可能性就是未來俄羅斯可能會朝向經濟戰貿易戰資源消耗戰這方面去做處理所以我想請教部長那也是我們"},{"start":575.32,"end":589.255,"text":"國安會秘書長,針對這些事件、這些已經發生、正在發生的可能的安全的挑戰,你有沒有什麼相關的因應方式?你要怎麼樣跟未來的國安外交體系做合作?"},{"start":590.844,"end":609.449,"text":"非常謝謝委員以現在國安會的角色它就是在部會之間的協調尤其是在比較重要的涉及到外交和國防的部會裡面必須要去做一些整合去找尋出我們最好的政策的方向"},{"start":610.229,"end":625.627,"text":"所以未來到國安會區之後也會秉持這個國安會向來的這個角色希望能夠跟外交部之間跟國防部以及陸委會之間都保持非常密切的這種友好的聯繫讓我們的這個政策是在協調之下產生的"},{"start":626.493,"end":627.794,"text":"主要是在訪問日本的國會議員有多位國會議員有談到針對未來的外交特別是對日的外交的部分"},{"start":644.95,"end":670.647,"text":"蕭美琴準副總統可能在一週之後就會正式上任他們也提到是說因為在這一次蕭美琴準副總統在訪歐訪美的過程當中他們覺得有點遺憾就是說怎麼沒有去訪問日本那我想請問這個部分對日本的這個關係那未來我們的蕭副總統在外交領域上面也是設立很多會有什麼樣的方向"},{"start":672.778,"end":693.072,"text":"這個基本的方向就是說那個肖副總統他也是被賦予這種高度的這個責任在外交和國防的這個領域上面都能夠來協助我們各個部會協助我們國安會所以未來不管是對日對美等等的那我相信那個肖副總統他會扮演非常重要的角色那我想"},{"start":693.692,"end":704.26,"text":"目前的所有的這些政府的部門的首長跟蕭副總統之間也有非常好的這種合作的關係所以我相信他的這個角色以及他的這個貢獻度應該是會很大"},{"start":706.863,"end":732.511,"text":"非常期待因為我們接下來大概是包含林佳龍未來的外長那還有吳部長那未來是官會秘書長加上蕭副總統基本上都在外交領域上面都有相當的涉獵特別是蕭副總統蕭大使曾經在美國的這個駐美的時間也是蠻長的那我們希望對日本的關係因為接下來可以很明顯的看到整個這個第一島鏈菲律賓臺灣跟日本"},{"start":734.272,"end":753.379,"text":"那我們在加強第一島鏈的關係跟安全保障的合作是非常重要的我們當然是要對美外交的加強之外我們就在我們的鄰國一個在北一個在南那他是我們安全上面的屏障不管在海洋資源在陸海空上面的情報的交換都很重要所以我們把這個我們訪問的時候國會議員訪問的時候的一些"},{"start":757.321,"end":757.441,"text":"當然,非常謝謝委員。"}]}}}}