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00:02:21,782\n關區是過去的概念現在是全面的以前全國的關區是55萬公頃那31萬公頃是屬於我們的關區非關區有24萬公頃但是你在去年整個涵蓋努力要把它全部打通有農水路的情形只做到5.6萬公頃還有18.4萬公頃都還沒有做這個速度太慢了我要跟委員說明\n\n6\n00:02:26,966 --> 00:02:28,747\n事由：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案案案。\n\n7\n00:02:49,002 --> 00:03:03,596\n所以因為有水池的保持保護的問題我們農水組照樣去支持波地裡面的灌溉用水的水池的興建跟它的蓄水設就是它的灌溉系統的那個管路我們都有去支持而且每戶應該是50萬吧\n\n8\n00:03:05,698 --> 00:03:07,820\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n9\n00:03:31,465 --> 00:03:31,485\n案。」議員\n\n10\n00:03:54,104 --> 00:03:54,484\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具\n\n11\n00:04:25,507 --> 00:04:34,983\n部長,你有沒有聽懂這個意思?一樣是公務機關,為什麼買水的情形不一樣?這個這一點的話你們可以做個調整嗎?一樣是公務機關啊?\n\n12\n00:04:36,991 --> 00:05:04,000\n而且我們自來水公司他也努力的在各方面的用水部分他也多元的來使用能夠開發更多的水源也減少了我們這個漏水的問題還有舉在比如說他們很多的這些太舊的管線都要太舊換新他們的成本也很高所以本期在這邊希望我們部長能夠重視讓我們的農水署能不能比照水利署的調整原水的單價好不好\n\n13\n00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:30,485\n這個我想我們會後會去評估那跟委員報告一個重點就是我們農業的部分有一部分是水庫用水那才需要去處理那更有一部分我們是用埤塘用河川所以我們希望說更多的埤塘能夠來做水資源的調度像桃園地區現在水情有點緊張其實對農業用水來講我們覺得自來水公司啦它是供應給大家的水嘛因為自來公司也已經負債了\n\n14\n00:05:31,425 --> 00:05:32,406\n議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文\n\n15\n00:06:01,805 --> 00:06:20,953\n最關鍵的就是因為這個鮮奶的問題那之前在4月份的時候特別有提到這個他們的鮮奶到120度的溫度殺菌之後的話60天的這個期限的話是比較久的在我們台灣的這個酪農的話在競爭之下如果明年他零關稅那影響到我們\n\n16\n00:06:22,253 --> 00:06:31,018\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文\n\n17\n00:06:47,526 --> 00:07:02,869\n改成長效乳已經一個半月快兩個月了都沒有專家會都沒有開這個是有什麼顧忌還是有什麼問題嗎不是我想跟委員說明齁這個長效乳的這個建議民政的建議案我們在4月初已經送到衛福部那邊了齁是那\n\n18\n00:07:04,070 --> 00:07:27,245\n我會盡快再跟衛務部溝通齁能夠召開一個正式的會議已經快兩個月了盡快已經放兩個月了對我知道所以我持續在跟他們溝通剩下半年的時間明年的話他們完全就免關稅囉零關稅囉我相信下禮拜我相信應該會有更明確的做法下禮拜就要有正式的會議好不好我會要求請啊請衛務部因為會議不是我們召開的\n\n19\n00:07:28,306 --> 00:07:48,123\n所以你要去了解什麼原因,他有顧忌什麼嗎?是不是?了解,我會盡可能請他們...不要放到那邊,要去追蹤,已經要兩個月了,你們還沒有追蹤,我只是要提醒你們,好不好?而且你們現在特別提出來了29億的農業升級的這個計畫,所以你要特別看看我們這個諾農要怎麼樣讓他們轉型,來輔導他們,好不好?好。那還有一個問題就是,這個台紐喔,這個,不是,這個立陶宛\n\n20\n00:07:57,669 --> 00:08:19,053\n這個部分我們看到我們的農產品在這邊有開放給他們進口進來那因為那個立陶宛本來在我們這邊辦事處從台灣要改成台北現在又放下來了那立陶宛在這邊現在正在選舉相信現任的總統可能會連任我們擔心的是未來他如果又跟大陸交好的話對我們這個農產品的進口方面我們農業部會不會適時的做一個調整\n\n21\n00:08:24,870 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。\n169002\t183596\t所以因為有水池的保持保護的問題我們農水組照樣去支持波地裡面的灌溉用水的水池的興建跟它的蓄水設就是它的灌溉系統的那個管路我們都有去支持而且每戶應該是50萬吧\n185698\t187820\t事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n211465\t211485\t案。」議員\n234104\t234484\t一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具\n265507\t274983\t部長,你有沒有聽懂這個意思?一樣是公務機關,為什麼買水的情形不一樣?這個這一點的話你們可以做個調整嗎?一樣是公務機關啊?\n276991\t304000\t而且我們自來水公司他也努力的在各方面的用水部分他也多元的來使用能夠開發更多的水源也減少了我們這個漏水的問題還有舉在比如說他們很多的這些太舊的管線都要太舊換新他們的成本也很高所以本期在這邊希望我們部長能夠重視讓我們的農水署能不能比照水利署的調整原水的單價好不好\n304760\t330485\t這個我想我們會後會去評估那跟委員報告一個重點就是我們農業的部分有一部分是水庫用水那才需要去處理那更有一部分我們是用埤塘用河川所以我們希望說更多的埤塘能夠來做水資源的調度像桃園地區現在水情有點緊張其實對農業用水來講我們覺得自來水公司啦它是供應給大家的水嘛因為自來公司也已經負債了\n331425\t332406\t議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文\n361805\t380953\t最關鍵的就是因為這個鮮奶的問題那之前在4月份的時候特別有提到這個他們的鮮奶到120度的溫度殺菌之後的話60天的這個期限的話是比較久的在我們台灣的這個酪農的話在競爭之下如果明年他零關稅那影響到我們\n382253\t391018\t一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文\n407526\t422869\t改成長效乳已經一個半月快兩個月了都沒有專家會都沒有開這個是有什麼顧忌還是有什麼問題嗎不是我想跟委員說明齁這個長效乳的這個建議民政的建議案我們在4月初已經送到衛福部那邊了齁是那\n424070\t447245\t我會盡快再跟衛務部溝通齁能夠召開一個正式的會議已經快兩個月了盡快已經放兩個月了對我知道所以我持續在跟他們溝通剩下半年的時間明年的話他們完全就免關稅囉零關稅囉我相信下禮拜我相信應該會有更明確的做法下禮拜就要有正式的會議好不好我會要求請啊請衛務部因為會議不是我們召開的\n448306\t468123\t所以你要去了解什麼原因,他有顧忌什麼嗎?是不是?了解,我會盡可能請他們...不要放到那邊,要去追蹤,已經要兩個月了,你們還沒有追蹤,我只是要提醒你們,好不好?而且你們現在特別提出來了29億的農業升級的這個計畫,所以你要特別看看我們這個諾農要怎麼樣讓他們轉型,來輔導他們,好不好?好。那還有一個問題就是,這個台紐喔,這個,不是,這個立陶宛\n477669\t499053\t這個部分我們看到我們的農產品在這邊有開放給他們進口進來那因為那個立陶宛本來在我們這邊辦事處從台灣要改成台北現在又放下來了那立陶宛在這邊現在正在選舉相信現任的總統可能會連任我們擔心的是未來他如果又跟大陸交好的話對我們這個農產品的進口方面我們農業部會不會適時的做一個調整\n504870\t505050\t答案。\n524958\t525178\t案：審查：事由：審查：\n541248\t568751\t所以有幾個面向加工的應用低碳的栽培技術還有一些種源這個都是我們的強項所以他不會因為他們政治上的一個立場而改變了對我們的合作我們希望不要被改變啦我們用技術的方式去支持外交你剛剛講的是很多別的科技的技術我想的是牛肉部分如果他有這種情勢再發生的話我們一定要對我們整個農產品的進口做調整好不好我了解\n572111\t572564\t文修正草案。\n","txt":"謝謝主席,請陳部長。我們再請陳部長。委員好。部長,今天我們針對我們的農村再生計畫提出了一些修正的這個草案。那個別委員都有很多的提案。那最主要是因為說剛才都提到了,農村的這個再生基金即將要用完了。\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具\n以前叫做水利會現在叫農水署對不對那農水署的話以前的話水利會是有會員現在是農水署就是沒有會員是全面性的屬於公務機關那以前的話這農水路的話水利會都有去做那非灌區就是沒有繳會費的會員就是非灌區的齁那這個地方的話很多都沒有農水路這必須要趕快的來做因為非灌區的他們都是用川流的水阿\n案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n關區是過去的概念現在是全面的以前全國的關區是55萬公頃那31萬公頃是屬於我們的關區非關區有24萬公頃但是你在去年整個涵蓋努力要把它全部打通有農水路的情形只做到5.6萬公頃還有18.4萬公頃都還沒有做這個速度太慢了我要跟委員說明\n事由：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案案案 。\n所以因為有水池的保持保護的問題我們農水組照樣去支持波地裡面的灌溉用水的水池的興建跟它的蓄水設就是它的灌溉系統的那個管路我們都有去支持而且每戶應該是50萬吧\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n案。」議員\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具\n部長,你有沒有聽懂這個意思?一樣是公務機關,為什麼買水的情形不一樣?這個這一點的話你們可以做個調整嗎?一樣是公務機關啊?\n而且我們自來水公司他也努力的在各方面的用水部分他也多元的來使用能夠開發更多的水源也減少了我們這個漏水的問題還有舉在比如說他們很多的這些太舊的管線都要太舊換新他們的成本也很高所以本期在這邊希望我們部長能夠重視讓我們的農水署能不能比照水利署的調整原水的單價好不好\n這個我想我們會後會去評估那跟委員報告一個重點就是我們農業的部分有一部分是水庫用水那才需要去處理那更有一部分我們是用埤塘用河川所以我們希望說更多的埤塘能夠來做水資源的調度像桃園地區現在水情有點緊張其實對農業用水來講我們覺得自來水公司啦它是供應給大家的水嘛因為自來公司也已經負債了\n議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文\n最關鍵的就是因為這個鮮奶的問題那之前在4月份的時候特別有提到這個他們的鮮奶到120度的溫度殺菌之後的話60天的這個期限的話是比較久的在我們台灣的這個酪農的話在競爭之下如果明年他零關稅那影響到我們\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文\n改成長效乳已經一個半月快兩個月了都沒有專家會都沒有開這個是有什麼顧忌還是有什麼問題嗎不是我想跟委員說明齁這個長效乳的這個建議民政的建議案我們在4月初已經送到衛福部那邊了齁是那\n我會盡快再跟衛務部溝通齁能夠召開一個正式的會議已經快兩個月了盡快已經放兩個月了對我知道所以我持續在跟他們溝通剩下半年的時間明年的話他們完全就免關稅囉零關稅囉我相信下禮拜我相信應該會有更明確的做法下禮拜就要有正式的會議好不好我會要求請啊請衛務部因為會議不是我們召開的\n所以你要去了解什麼原因,他有顧忌什麼嗎?是不是?了解,我會盡可能請他們...不要放到那邊,要去追蹤,已經要兩個月了,你們還沒有追蹤,我只是要提醒你們,好不好?而且你們現在特別提出來了29億的農業升級的這個計畫,所以你要特別看看我們這個諾農要怎麼樣讓他們轉型,來輔導他們,好不好?好。那還有一個問題就是,這個台紐喔,這個,不是,這個立陶宛\n這個部分我們看到我們的農產品在這邊有開放給他們進口進來那因為那個立陶宛本來在我們這邊辦事處從台灣要改成台北現在又放下來了那立陶宛在這邊現在正在選舉相信現任的總統可能會連任我們擔心的是未來他如果又跟大陸交好的話對我們這個農產品的進口方面我們農業部會不會適時的做一個調整\n答案。\n案：審查：事由：審查：\n所以有幾個面向加工的應用低碳的栽培技術還有一些種源這個都是我們的強項所以他不會因為他們政治上的一個立場而改變了對我們的合作我們希望不要被改變啦我們用技術的方式去支持外交你剛剛講的是很多別的科技的技術我想的是牛肉部分如果他有這種情勢再發生的話我們一定要對我們整個農產品的進口做調整好不好我了解\n文修正草案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.421 --> 00:11.083\n謝謝主席,請陳部長。我們再請陳部長。委員好。部長,今天我們針對我們的農村再生計畫提出了一些修正的這個草案。那個別委員都有很多的提案。那最主要是因為說剛才都提到了,農村的這個再生基金即將要用完了。\n\n00:34.699 --> 00:34.939\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具\n\n01:04.799 --> 01:34.382\n以前叫做水利會現在叫農水署對不對那農水署的話以前的話水利會是有會員現在是農水署就是沒有會員是全面性的屬於公務機關那以前的話這農水路的話水利會都有去做那非灌區就是沒有繳會費的會員就是非灌區的齁那這個地方的話很多都沒有農水路這必須要趕快的來做因為非灌區的他們都是用川流的水阿\n\n01:34.762 --> 01:37.423\n案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n02:02.388 --> 02:21.782\n關區是過去的概念現在是全面的以前全國的關區是55萬公頃那31萬公頃是屬於我們的關區非關區有24萬公頃但是你在去年整個涵蓋努力要把它全部打通有農水路的情形只做到5.6萬公頃還有18.4萬公頃都還沒有做這個速度太慢了我要跟委員說明\n\n02:26.966 --> 02:28.747\n事由：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案案案。\n\n02:49.002 --> 03:03.596\n所以因為有水池的保持保護的問題我們農水組照樣去支持波地裡面的灌溉用水的水池的興建跟它的蓄水設就是它的灌溉系統的那個管路我們都有去支持而且每戶應該是50萬吧\n\n03:05.698 --> 03:07.820\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n03:31.465 --> 03:31.485\n案。」議員\n\n03:54.104 --> 03:54.484\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具\n\n04:25.507 --> 04:34.983\n部長,你有沒有聽懂這個意思?一樣是公務機關,為什麼買水的情形不一樣?這個這一點的話你們可以做個調整嗎?一樣是公務機關啊?\n\n04:36.991 --> 05:04.000\n而且我們自來水公司他也努力的在各方面的用水部分他也多元的來使用能夠開發更多的水源也減少了我們這個漏水的問題還有舉在比如說他們很多的這些太舊的管線都要太舊換新他們的成本也很高所以本期在這邊希望我們部長能夠重視讓我們的農水署能不能比照水利署的調整原水的單價好不好\n\n05:04.760 --> 05:30.485\n這個我想我們會後會去評估那跟委員報告一個重點就是我們農業的部分有一部分是水庫用水那才需要去處理那更有一部分我們是用埤塘用河川所以我們希望說更多的埤塘能夠來做水資源的調度像桃園地區現在水情有點緊張其實對農業用水來講我們覺得自來水公司啦它是供應給大家的水嘛因為自來公司也已經負債了\n\n05:31.425 --> 05:32.406\n議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文\n\n06:01.805 --> 06:20.953\n最關鍵的就是因為這個鮮奶的問題那之前在4月份的時候特別有提到這個他們的鮮奶到120度的溫度殺菌之後的話60天的這個期限的話是比較久的在我們台灣的這個酪農的話在競爭之下如果明年他零關稅那影響到我們\n\n06:22.253 --> 06:31.018\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第十五條條文\n\n06:47.526 --> 07:02.869\n改成長效乳已經一個半月快兩個月了都沒有專家會都沒有開這個是有什麼顧忌還是有什麼問題嗎不是我想跟委員說明齁這個長效乳的這個建議民政的建議案我們在4月初已經送到衛福部那邊了齁是那\n\n07:04.070 --> 07:27.245\n我會盡快再跟衛務部溝通齁能夠召開一個正式的會議已經快兩個月了盡快已經放兩個月了對我知道所以我持續在跟他們溝通剩下半年的時間明年的話他們完全就免關稅囉零關稅囉我相信下禮拜我相信應該會有更明確的做法下禮拜就要有正式的會議好不好我會要求請啊請衛務部因為會議不是我們召開的\n\n07:28.306 --> 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