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00:02:46,115\n好,那我們這個是希望因為農村的建設跟這個農災是非常重要的真的是息息相關這非常重要然後第二個就是我想要跟部長討論一下因為我們知道現在內政部這個國土計劃法那看起來說它上路的即將要上路但是國土計劃法它還是有很多需要去檢討的尤其是國土計劃法跟農村發展條例甚至到農村再生條例他們這樣彼此要對接的問題\n\n8\n00:02:46,875 --> 00:03:01,474\n那在我的選區,像水上鄉,農德村,它就常常有很多是在生條裡面的農地,生條它並不是說在生花,生花就是農田嘛。\n\n9\n00:03:02,054 --> 00:03:08,356\n案。adequatetobeconsideredasafarm.\n\n10\n00:03:32,226 --> 00:03:50,263\n我向委員報告就是我們現在看各縣市在編列的從農一到農五的部分有幾個比較異常的部分就是農一跟農二的編列本身的比例的問題那第三個就是有一些可以屬於農三的\n\n11\n00:03:51,184 --> 00:04:07,523\n他被編成保育那個國保國保去了那這個部分我們也想辦法去處理有一些像您剛才講的這個部分也有部分的情形會發生所以部長我要確認是不是只有農三跟農四農五他才有可能在農村的一個\n\n12\n00:04:08,624 --> 00:04:09,545\n再生條例第二條及第十五條條文修正草案案。」案。\n\n13\n00:04:31,339 --> 00:04:55,271\n我認為這需要檢討,因為既然在村內,大概村莊內還是有村莊內需要的一些景觀,你現在又把它用成農醫,然後他把它限制就是...就會有問題,這樣就會有問題,就像你剛剛講的例子,就是村莊裡面包圍的這些地,那是不是可以適度的調整,不然到時候裡面就變成夾金餅乾,\n\n14\n00:04:56,932 --> 00:05:11,011\n就是一個單一的...對阿然後對於整個村莊的整體的使用變得...這土地的使用變得沒有那麼的俐落啦我估計說這...我們後續我想我們我們部裡面永續師會去還有水保署會去\n\n15\n00:05:13,514 --> 00:05:29,372\n看這些比較特別奇怪的地方可以跟縣市政府再做溝通啦。這樣的話也許讓整個的國土計畫是不是可以能夠順利,這蠻關鍵的。我想這個很重要啦。第二個我要跟部長再談一下我們鋪子的肉品市場。\n\n16\n00:05:30,410 --> 00:05:56,064\n案。」而農民市場大概從蘇貞昌院長承認說我們佈置這個整個這個屠宰場然後要把它做一個升級然後未來是可以導入HACCP那可以讓它在台灣的地盤可以外銷處理所以這個事情地方很期待但是看起來因為在中間行政程序的一些\n\n17\n00:05:57,685 --> 00:06:17,501\n一些討論的過程有拖延到,有拖延到,所以一直到了去年,去年底,我們才拆除,拆除標材出去。那目前興建大概還需要很長的時間。但是呢,我覺得這件事情就變得說一開始在決定太衝刺了。就是說我們一開始就叫\n\n18\n00:06:20,523 --> 00:06:21,784\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文\n\n19\n00:06:44,635 --> 00:07:05,770\n接下來就不補助了,但是你這樣看,你這樣的話,我們如果要那麼晚才拆,是不是很,我們不應該那麼早就叫他們停止營業。我跟各位報告,就是說農村兩年是因為我們規劃大概兩年會新建完整,那如果是因故其他的原因延長的時候,我們會來討論說,是不是針對農會的協助會再延長,這第一件事情。第二點就是說,\n\n20\n00:07:09,953 --> 00:07:12,255\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n21\n00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:38,491\n案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t14933\t我們請參議委員請做詢答。謝謝主席。那我們是有請我們農業部部長。好,我們請陳部長。\n25926\t41700\t部長,部長針對今天農再條例的一個修正那主要大家是很擔心整個農再基金目前大概剩多少?現在到年底應該497億剩497億那如果以這樣的規劃是到116年對,我們第四期的預算我們提出來是432億嘛\n51468\t55157\t所以相對的到116年的時候他基金的餘額應該有5.5億\n57631\t84096\t所以就是說到116年的時候,就是看起來這個基金就即將要用氣了。所以今天大家去歡樂一下,尤其對我們農業縣來說,整個農債基金是撐住讓整個農村可以維持一個還可以的一個面貌。這是非常重要的一個機會支持。所以你們這邊也同意說,未來是不是在持續可以用公務預算,\n85536\t100862\t邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第\n109545\t137318\t一起一起的去編然後由行政院同意以後就算未來基金見底了以後他還是可以透過另外一個機制透過行政院同意了以後用公務預算去撥補用這樣的方式還是可以就是撥補基金撥補基金以後這樣的話讓這個基金是可以繼續做的並不會說這個條文寫一個10年我們現在農發基金也一樣這樣農發基金已經撥完了但是還是不夠每年都需要那公務預算也會撥補農村基金也是這樣子的\n137878\t166115\t好,那我們這個是希望因為農村的建設跟這個農災是非常重要的真的是息息相關這非常重要然後第二個就是我想要跟部長討論一下因為我們知道現在內政部這個國土計劃法那看起來說它上路的即將要上路但是國土計劃法它還是有很多需要去檢討的尤其是國土計劃法跟農村發展條例甚至到農村再生條例他們這樣彼此要對接的問題\n166875\t181474\t那在我的選區,像水上鄉,農德村,它就常常有很多是在生條裡面的農地,生條它並不是說在生花,生花就是農田嘛。\n182054\t188356\t案。adequate to be considered as a farm.\n212226\t230263\t我向委員報告就是我們現在看各縣市在編列的從農一到農五的部分有幾個比較異常的部分就是農一跟農二的編列本身的比例的問題那第三個就是有一些可以屬於農三的\n231184\t247523\t他被編成保育那個國保國保去了那這個部分我們也想辦法去處理有一些像您剛才講的這個部分也有部分的情形會發生所以部長我要確認是不是只有農三跟農四農五他才有可能在農村的一個\n248624\t249545\t再生條例第二條及第十五條條文修正草案案。」案。\n271339\t295271\t我認為這需要檢討,因為既然在村內,大概村莊內還是有村莊內需要的一些景觀,你現在又把它用成農醫,然後他把它限制就是...就會有問題,這樣就會有問題,就像你剛剛講的例子,就是村莊裡面包圍的這些地,那是不是可以適度的調整,不然到時候裡面就變成夾金餅乾,\n296932\t311011\t就是一個單一的...對阿然後對於整個村莊的整體的使用變得...這土地的使用變得沒有那麼的俐落啦我估計說這...我們後續我想我們我們部裡面永續師會去還有水保署會去\n313514\t329372\t看這些比較特別奇怪的地方可以跟縣市政府再做溝通啦。這樣的話也許讓整個的國土計畫是不是可以能夠順利,這蠻關鍵的。我想這個很重要啦。第二個我要跟部長再談一下我們鋪子的肉品市場。\n330410\t356064\t案。」而農民市場大概從蘇貞昌院長承認說我們佈置這個整個這個屠宰場然後要把它做一個升級然後未來是可以導入HACCP那可以讓它在台灣的地盤可以外銷處理所以這個事情地方很期待但是看起來因為在中間行政程序的一些\n357685\t377501\t一些討論的過程有拖延到,有拖延到,所以一直到了去年,去年底,我們才拆除,拆除標材出去。那目前興建大概還需要很長的時間。但是呢,我覺得這件事情就變得說一開始在決定太衝刺了。就是說我們一開始就叫\n380523\t381784\t一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文\n404635\t425770\t接下來就不補助了,但是你這樣看,你這樣的話,我們如果要那麼晚才拆,是不是很,我們不應該那麼早就叫他們停止營業。我跟各位報告,就是說農村兩年是因為我們規劃大概兩年會新建完整,那如果是因故其他的原因延長的時候,我們會來討論說,是不是針對農會的協助會再延長,這第一件事情。第二點就是說,\n429953\t432255\t一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n456590\t458491\t案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n","txt":"我們請參議委員請做詢答。謝謝主席。那我們是有請我們農業部部長。好,我們請陳部長。\n部長,部長針對今天農再條例的一個修正那主要大家是很擔心整個農再基金目前大概剩多少?現在到年底應該497億剩497億那如果以這樣的規劃是到116年對,我們第四期的預算我們提出來是432億嘛\n所以相對的到116年的時候他基金的餘額應該有5.5億\n所以就是說到116年的時候,就是看起來這個基金就即將要用氣了。所以今天大家去歡樂一下,尤其對我們農業縣來說,整個農債基金是撐住讓整個農村可以維持一個還可以的一個面貌。這是非常重要的一個機會支持。所以你們這邊也同意說,未來是不是在持續可以用公務預算,\n邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第\n一起一起的去編然後由行政院同意以後就算未來基金見底了以後他還是可以透過另外一個機制透過行政院同意了以後用公務預算去撥補用這樣的方式還是可以就是撥補基金撥補基金以後這樣的話讓這個基金是可以繼續做的並不會說這個條文寫一個10年我們現在農發基金也一樣這樣農發基金已經撥完了但是還是不夠每年都需要那公務預算也會撥補農村基金也是這樣子的\n好,那我們這個是希望因為農村的建設跟這個農災是非常重要的真的是息息相關這非常重要然後第二個就是我想要跟部長討論一下因為我們知道現在內政部這個國土計劃法那看起來說它上路的即將要上路但是國土計劃法它還是有很多需要去檢討的尤其是國土計劃法跟農村發展條例甚至到農村再生條例他們這樣彼此要對接的問題\n那在我的選區,像水上鄉,農德村,它就常常有很多是在生條裡面的農地,生條它並不是說在生花,生花就是農田嘛。\n案。adequate to be considered as a farm.\n我向委員報告就是我們現在看各縣市在編列的從農一到農五的部分有幾個比較異常的部分就是農一跟農二的編列本身的比例的問題那第三個就是有一些可以屬於農三的\n他被編成保育那個國保國保去了那這個部分我們也想辦法去處理有一些像您剛才講的這個部分也有部分的情形會發生所以部長我要確認是不是只有農三跟農四農五他才有可能在農村的一個\n再生條例第二條及第十五條條文修正草案案。」案。\n我認為這需要檢討,因為既然在村內,大概村莊內還是有村莊內需要的一些景觀,你現在又把它用成農醫,然後他把它限制就是...就會有問題,這樣就會有問題,就像你剛剛講的例子,就是村莊裡面包圍的這些地,那是不是可以適度的調整,不然到時候裡面就變成夾金餅乾,\n就是一個單一的...對阿然後對於整個村莊的整體的使用變得...這土地的使用變得沒有那麼的俐落啦我估計說這...我們後續我想我們我們部裡面永續師會去還有水保署會去\n看這些比較特別奇怪的地方可以跟縣市政府再做溝通啦。這樣的話也許讓整個的國土計畫是不是可以能夠順利,這蠻關鍵的。我想這個很重要啦。第二個我要跟部長再談一下我們鋪子的肉品市場。\n案。」而農民市場大概從蘇貞昌院長承認說我們佈置這個整個這個屠宰場然後要把它做一個升級然後未來是可以導入HACCP那可以讓它在台灣的地盤可以外銷處理所以這個事情地方很期待但是看起來因為在中間行政程序的一些\n一些討論的過程有拖延到,有拖延到,所以一直到了去年,去年底,我們才拆除,拆除標材出去。那目前興建大概還需要很長的時間。但是呢,我覺得這件事情就變得說一開始在決定太衝刺了。就是說我們一開始就叫\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文\n接下來就不補助了,但是你這樣看,你這樣的話,我們如果要那麼晚才拆,是不是很,我們不應該那麼早就叫他們停止營業。我跟各位報告,就是說農村兩年是因為我們規劃大概兩年會新建完整,那如果是因故其他的原因延長的時候,我們會來討論說,是不是針對農會的協助會再延長,這第一件事情。第二點就是說,\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:14.933\n我們請參議委員請做詢答。謝謝主席。那我們是有請我們農業部部長。好,我們請陳部長。\n\n00:25.926 --> 00:41.700\n部長,部長針對今天農再條例的一個修正那主要大家是很擔心整個農再基金目前大概剩多少?現在到年底應該497億剩497億那如果以這樣的規劃是到116年對,我們第四期的預算我們提出來是432億嘛\n\n00:51.468 --> 00:55.157\n所以相對的到116年的時候他基金的餘額應該有5.5億\n\n00:57.631 --> 01:24.096\n所以就是說到116年的時候,就是看起來這個基金就即將要用氣了。所以今天大家去歡樂一下,尤其對我們農業縣來說,整個農債基金是撐住讓整個農村可以維持一個還可以的一個面貌。這是非常重要的一個機會支持。所以你們這邊也同意說,未來是不是在持續可以用公務預算,\n\n01:25.536 --> 01:40.862\n邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第\n\n01:49.545 --> 02:17.318\n一起一起的去編然後由行政院同意以後就算未來基金見底了以後他還是可以透過另外一個機制透過行政院同意了以後用公務預算去撥補用這樣的方式還是可以就是撥補基金撥補基金以後這樣的話讓這個基金是可以繼續做的並不會說這個條文寫一個10年我們現在農發基金也一樣這樣農發基金已經撥完了但是還是不夠每年都需要那公務預算也會撥補農村基金也是這樣子的\n\n02:17.878 --> 02:46.115\n好,那我們這個是希望因為農村的建設跟這個農災是非常重要的真的是息息相關這非常重要然後第二個就是我想要跟部長討論一下因為我們知道現在內政部這個國土計劃法那看起來說它上路的即將要上路但是國土計劃法它還是有很多需要去檢討的尤其是國土計劃法跟農村發展條例甚至到農村再生條例他們這樣彼此要對接的問題\n\n02:46.875 --> 03:01.474\n那在我的選區,像水上鄉,農德村,它就常常有很多是在生條裡面的農地,生條它並不是說在生花,生花就是農田嘛。\n\n03:02.054 --> 03:08.356\n案。adequatetobeconsideredasafarm.\n\n03:32.226 --> 03:50.263\n我向委員報告就是我們現在看各縣市在編列的從農一到農五的部分有幾個比較異常的部分就是農一跟農二的編列本身的比例的問題那第三個就是有一些可以屬於農三的\n\n03:51.184 --> 04:07.523\n他被編成保育那個國保國保去了那這個部分我們也想辦法去處理有一些像您剛才講的這個部分也有部分的情形會發生所以部長我要確認是不是只有農三跟農四農五他才有可能在農村的一個\n\n04:08.624 --> 04:09.545\n再生條例第二條及第十五條條文修正草案案。」案。\n\n04:31.339 --> 04:55.271\n我認為這需要檢討,因為既然在村內,大概村莊內還是有村莊內需要的一些景觀,你現在又把它用成農醫,然後他把它限制就是...就會有問題,這樣就會有問題,就像你剛剛講的例子,就是村莊裡面包圍的這些地,那是不是可以適度的調整,不然到時候裡面就變成夾金餅乾,\n\n04:56.932 --> 05:11.011\n就是一個單一的...對阿然後對於整個村莊的整體的使用變得...這土地的使用變得沒有那麼的俐落啦我估計說這...我們後續我想我們我們部裡面永續師會去還有水保署會去\n\n05:13.514 --> 05:29.372\n看這些比較特別奇怪的地方可以跟縣市政府再做溝通啦。這樣的話也許讓整個的國土計畫是不是可以能夠順利,這蠻關鍵的。我想這個很重要啦。第二個我要跟部長再談一下我們鋪子的肉品市場。\n\n05:30.410 --> 05:56.064\n案。」而農民市場大概從蘇貞昌院長承認說我們佈置這個整個這個屠宰場然後要把它做一個升級然後未來是可以導入HACCP那可以讓它在台灣的地盤可以外銷處理所以這個事情地方很期待但是看起來因為在中間行政程序的一些\n\n05:57.685 --> 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