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00:01:16,145\n所以站在其實國家的整體利益和全民的健康上面我們確實是不應該分黨派應該要團結一次讓世界看到台灣部長想請問一下你對中共這一種把政治放在人民健康之上的行為有什麼看法\n\n6\n00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:29,710\n主席\n\n7\n00:01:44,589 --> 00:02:06,781\n在世界各國多說一些似是而非的話甚至是講一些很明顯錯誤的話比如說他對國際社會上面說他們能夠代表台灣人民實際上是他們沒有辦法代表台灣人民他們說我們的這些技術性的會議是經過中國政府的同意實際上不是經過他們的同意而是我們自己去申請的\n\n8\n00:02:07,421 --> 00:02:29,407\n那他們也說中國政府會好好的照顧我們台灣人的健康福祉那我們台灣的人民的反應就是說你爛不要把他欺負你那你就慢行啊那所以中國政府常常會在國際社會上面說這些錯誤的這個話那每一次只要他們有任何這個錯誤的話我們外交部這邊都會予以反駁那剛剛非常謝謝委員的這一番正義支持\n\n9\n00:02:30,697 --> 00:02:36,942\n謝謝部長努力那我再來請教部長由於美國在COVID-19的流行期間發現WHO嚴重的失能甚至因為政治的立場的關係導致公衛機制沒有辦法很好的運作所以拜登政府也花了三年的時間推出了美國全球健康安全的戰略然後這個戰略裡面主要是以美國聯邦政府為主題希望達到三個目標\n\n10\n00:02:57,557 --> 00:03:10,886\n第一是藉由雙方合作強化全球的衛生能力第二是激勵政治的承諾與基金第三是整合所有的衛生安全行動然後從2015年開始台灣跟NIT就已經共同推動了一個GCTF的計畫全球有128個參與的國家包含了公共的衛生還有人道救援還有災害的防救這些議題基本上就是讓美國拉著台灣實質的參與\n\n11\n00:03:27,737 --> 00:03:27,757\n．吳釗燮報告\n\n12\n00:03:45,335 --> 00:03:51,618\n臺美日澳四方首都都是用抗疫的經驗還有公衛的專業深入交流大家也認為這樣的全球來這樣強化全球夥伴的關係是促成公衛安全的重要性那我想請教部長一下我們是不是能夠透過這個GCTF\n\n13\n00:04:04,785 --> 00:04:10,107\nGCTF是我們在2015年跟美國成立的一個協定它叫做GlobalCooperationandTrainingFramework就是利用我們台灣的強項不管是在公衛、在婦女賦權、在環保或者是說\n\n14\n00:04:30,933 --> 00:04:31,353\n﹚林憶君﹚\n\n15\n00:04:47,111 --> 00:05:12,773\n那委員剛剛提到的就是說藉用GCTF來強化我們跟美國的合作來推動全球的這個衛生方面的這種合作的話那我想我們會具以來推動其實那個公衛的這一題會持續不斷的在GCTF的這個workshop上面來呈現那我們台灣的這個公衛的能力是受到全球的讚譽甚至是在COVID的時候很多的國家都淪陷了\n\n16\n00:05:13,413 --> 00:05:13,433\n謝謝部長\n\n17\n00:05:35,565 --> 00:05:39,850\n我再問一個問題部長這幾天立陶宛東歐小國的總統選舉突然受到臺灣民眾的關注當然不外乎就是他的總統老塞達希望臺灣的代表處更名為臺北的代表處這件事情然後媒體報導因為前幾天也看到部長在廣播節目上面談到\n\n18\n00:05:56,109 --> 00:06:19,545\n立陶宛的選舉的時候有提到在野黨勝選的機會比較大但總統選舉前其實老賽亞的民調都是大幅領先其他候選人那前一天的第一輪的投票結果也是確實是如此的那想請教部長一下就是說是外交部掌握的情質是有錯誤呢還是是你有意想要安撫台灣民眾的心情然後可以部長簡短的說明一下嗎\n\n19\n00:06:21,326 --> 00:06:47,678\n很間斷的說明第一個就是那個立陶宛是280萬人口的國家他雖然說他的人口不是很多但是以道德的勇氣來說這是一個超級強國那我去那邊訪問的時候我就當面跟他們的這種國會議員等等的說他們是一個moralsuperpower因為他們所展現的這種對抗強權對抗蘇聯對抗中國的這種精神是很多的國家都比不上的\n\n20\n00:06:48,378 --> 00:07:14,086\n這是第一點那第二點就是說我們跟他們討論到最後有一個協議就是說我們台灣在那邊的代表處是叫做TheTaiwaneseRepresentativeresentativeOffice就是我們台灣這邊發作的台灣代表處那這個是經過雙方同意的那這個問題也是行政部門之間也就是他們的那個這種行政部門不是總統這邊的\n\n21\n00:07:15,066 --> 00:07:32,580\n是行政部門因為他們是內閣制所以他們的內閣的權利的範圍所以將來如果說要改的話是應該是他們的內閣來跟我們來做討論畢竟這已經有一個協議了那我的看法是這個更改的可能性應該是很小\n\n22\n00:07:33,380 --> 00:07:47,692\n即使接下來在8月的時候他們會有一場新的那個國會議員的選舉可能會有一個新的政府那可是對於我們跟那個未來可能這種阻隔的這個新政府之間的這種討論的這個狀況來看的話會改名的這個機率很低\n\n23\n00:07:52,517 --> 00:08:04,337\n我們跟立陶宛之間已經有各式各樣的這種合作的這些項目那這些項目對立陶宛來說也是非常重要的那所以我對我們接下來跟立陶宛的這個關係是非常的有信心\n\n24\n00:08:05,765 --> 00:08:21,068\n因為其實立陶宛是歐洲國家中其實我是覺得他是一個很難得與台灣友好而且甚至在被中國打壓之後外交發生困境的時候是非常相挺台灣的國家但是剛才部長所講的但是據我了解那個立陶宛是半總統制的總統是負責國家的外交國防事務所以台灣辦事處是否可以更名這件事情其實是總統的職者職權他可以\n\n25\n00:08:33,311 --> 00:08:33,351\n﹚林憶君﹚\n\n26\n00:08:51,394 --> 00:08:59,118\n然後賽達最後的勝選的機率非常的大因為剛才我也講了這個應該是總統的職權所以他順利當選總統之後要求台灣辦事處真的把他更名為台北辦事處那這樣的話那我們如果他還有這種堅持的話那會不會影響到我們兩國的情誼還有外交關係的申辯呢還有他這樣你覺得說他更名的這樣的機率會有多大呢因為畢竟是他的職權\n\n27\n00:09:25,461 --> 00:09:38,165\n國會大選是10月我們也跟各個不同的政黨包括現在的在野黨都有很深入的這些溝通包括現在的在野黨現在的執政黨當然更不用說現在的在野黨\n\n28\n00:09:39,025 --> 00:09:51,010\n他們對於強化跟臺灣的關係持續來推動各式各樣的這些合作那他們也都抱持很高度的興趣所以接下來我們跟那個立陶宛之間的關係應該能夠維繫而且持續的加強\n\n29\n00:09:54,831 --> 00:10:23,218\n至於那個立陶宛總統的這些看起來比較像是選舉語言的這些東西我們當然是會加以關注但是畢竟權力是在內閣的手上所以內閣對這個事情是有發言權和最後的這個決定權那目前看不出來說他們的內閣在這件事情上面會做任何的這個討論但是無論如何我們還是會持續的關注那以個人來說我對這個是相當有信心的\n\n30\n00:10:23,638 --> 00:10:23,979\n好謝謝部長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2307\t3608\t主席好 有請外交部長請部長委員好\n14989\t31276\t首先針對前天大陸國台辦發言的陳彬華在記者會上說台灣方面沒有辦法參加WHA完全是民進黨當局造成的是在此本席也要幫外交部說句公道話了\n33218\t49469\t國台辦這樣發言其實真的是蠻荒謬的而且蠻可笑的完全打擊我們全部的辛苦的外交人員還有醫藥界的共同的努力世界衛生組織裡面的序言裡面就有講了享受最高額能獲至的健康標準\n50350\t71501\t是人人基本的權利之一不因種族、宗教、政治、信仰、經濟還有社會的情境各異而分宣誓大陸用這種政治綁架臺灣人民的健康綁架臺灣人民參與國際社會共享醫療資源的成果的做法其實是赤裸裸的侵犯了世界衛生組織基本原則\n72521\t76145\t所以站在其實國家的整體利益和全民的健康上面我們確實是不應該分黨派應該要團結一次讓世界看到台灣部長想請問一下你對中共這一種把政治放在人民健康之上的行為有什麼看法\n89590\t89710\t主席\n104589\t126781\t在世界各國多說一些似是而非的話甚至是講一些很明顯錯誤的話比如說他對國際社會上面說他們能夠代表台灣人民實際上是他們沒有辦法代表台灣人民他們說我們的這些技術性的會議是經過中國政府的同意實際上不是經過他們的同意而是我們自己去申請的\n127421\t149407\t那他們也說中國政府會好好的照顧我們台灣人的健康福祉那我們台灣的人民的反應就是說你爛不要把他欺負你那你就慢行啊那所以中國政府常常會在國際社會上面說這些錯誤的這個話那每一次只要他們有任何這個錯誤的話我們外交部這邊都會予以反駁那剛剛非常謝謝委員的這一番正義支持\n150697\t156942\t謝謝部長努力那我再來請教部長由於美國在COVID-19的流行期間發現WHO嚴重的失能甚至因為政治的立場的關係導致公衛機制沒有辦法很好的運作所以拜登政府也花了三年的時間推出了美國全球健康安全的戰略然後這個戰略裡面主要是以美國聯邦政府為主題希望達到三個目標\n177557\t190886\t第一是藉由雙方合作強化全球的衛生能力第二是激勵政治的承諾與基金第三是整合所有的衛生安全行動然後從2015年開始台灣跟NIT就已經共同推動了一個GCTF的計畫全球有128個參與的國家包含了公共的衛生還有人道救援還有災害的防救這些議題基本上就是讓美國拉著台灣實質的參與\n207737\t207757\t．吳釗燮報告\n225335\t231618\t臺美日澳四方首都都是用抗疫的經驗還有公衛的專業深入交流大家也認為這樣的全球來這樣強化全球夥伴的關係是促成公衛安全的重要性那我想請教部長一下我們是不是能夠透過這個GCTF\n244785\t250107\tGCTF是我們在2015年跟美國成立的一個協定它叫做Global Cooperation and Training Framework就是利用我們台灣的強項不管是在公衛、在婦女賦權、在環保或者是說\n270933\t271353\t﹚林憶君﹚\n287111\t312773\t那委員剛剛提到的就是說藉用GCTF來強化我們跟美國的合作來推動全球的這個衛生方面的這種合作的話那我想我們會具以來推動其實那個公衛的這一題會持續不斷的在GCTF的這個workshop上面來呈現那我們台灣的這個公衛的能力是受到全球的讚譽甚至是在COVID的時候很多的國家都淪陷了\n313413\t313433\t謝謝部長\n335565\t339850\t我再問一個問題部長這幾天立陶宛東歐小國的總統選舉突然受到臺灣民眾的關注當然不外乎就是他的總統老塞達希望臺灣的代表處更名為臺北的代表處這件事情然後媒體報導因為前幾天也看到部長在廣播節目上面談到\n356109\t379545\t立陶宛的選舉的時候有提到在野黨勝選的機會比較大但總統選舉前其實老賽亞的民調都是大幅領先其他候選人那前一天的第一輪的投票結果也是確實是如此的那想請教部長一下就是說是外交部掌握的情質是有錯誤呢還是是你有意想要安撫台灣民眾的心情然後可以部長簡短的說明一下嗎\n381326\t407678\t很間斷的說明第一個就是那個立陶宛是280萬人口的國家他雖然說他的人口不是很多但是以道德的勇氣來說這是一個超級強國那我去那邊訪問的時候我就當面跟他們的這種國會議員等等的說他們是一個moral superpower因為他們所展現的這種對抗強權對抗蘇聯對抗中國的這種精神是很多的國家都比不上的\n408378\t434086\t這是第一點那第二點就是說我們跟他們討論到最後有一個協議就是說我們台灣在那邊的代表處是叫做The Taiwanese Representativeresentative Office就是我們台灣這邊發作的台灣代表處那這個是經過雙方同意的那這個問題也是行政部門之間也就是他們的那個這種行政部門不是總統這邊的\n435066\t452580\t是行政部門因為他們是內閣制所以他們的內閣的權利的範圍所以將來如果說要改的話是應該是他們的內閣來跟我們來做討論畢竟這已經有一個協議了那我的看法是這個更改的可能性應該是很小\n453380\t467692\t即使接下來在8月的時候他們會有一場新的那個國會議員的選舉可能會有一個新的政府那可是對於我們跟那個未來可能這種阻隔的這個新政府之間的這種討論的這個狀況來看的話會改名的這個機率很低\n472517\t484337\t我們跟立陶宛之間已經有各式各樣的這種合作的這些項目那這些項目對立陶宛來說也是非常重要的那所以我對我們接下來跟立陶宛的這個關係是非常的有信心\n485765\t501068\t因為其實立陶宛是歐洲國家中其實我是覺得他是一個很難得與台灣友好而且甚至在被中國打壓之後外交發生困境的時候是非常相挺台灣的國家但是剛才部長所講的但是據我了解那個立陶宛是半總統制的總統是負責國家的外交國防事務所以台灣辦事處是否可以更名這件事情其實是總統的職者職權他可以\n513311\t513351\t﹚林憶君﹚\n531394\t539118\t然後賽達最後的勝選的機率非常的大因為剛才我也講了這個應該是總統的職權所以他順利當選總統之後要求台灣辦事處真的把他更名為台北辦事處那這樣的話那我們如果他還有這種堅持的話那會不會影響到我們兩國的情誼還有外交關係的申辯呢還有他這樣你覺得說他更名的這樣的機率會有多大呢因為畢竟是他的職權\n565461\t578165\t國會大選是10月我們也跟各個不同的政黨包括現在的在野黨都有很深入的這些溝通包括現在的在野黨現在的執政黨當然更不用說現在的在野黨\n579025\t591010\t他們對於強化跟臺灣的關係持續來推動各式各樣的這些合作那他們也都抱持很高度的興趣所以接下來我們跟那個立陶宛之間的關係應該能夠維繫而且持續的加強\n594831\t623218\t至於那個立陶宛總統的這些看起來比較像是選舉語言的這些東西我們當然是會加以關注但是畢竟權力是在內閣的手上所以內閣對這個事情是有發言權和最後的這個決定權那目前看不出來說他們的內閣在這件事情上面會做任何的這個討論但是無論如何我們還是會持續的關注那以個人來說我對這個是相當有信心的\n623638\t623979\t好 謝謝部長 謝謝\n","txt":"主席好 有請外交部長請部長委員好\n首先針對前天大陸國台辦發言的陳彬華在記者會上說台灣方面沒有辦法參加WHA完全是民進黨當局造成的是在此本席也要幫外交部說句公道話了\n國台辦這樣發言其實真的是蠻荒謬的而且蠻可笑的完全打擊我們全部的辛苦的外交人員還有醫藥界的共同的努力世界衛生組織裡面的序言裡面就有講了享受最高額能獲至的健康標準\n是人人基本的權利之一不因種族、宗教、政治、信仰、經濟還有社會的情境各異而分宣誓大陸用這種政治綁架臺灣人民的健康綁架臺灣人民參與國際社會共享醫療資源的成果的做法其實是赤裸裸的侵犯了世界衛生組織基本原則\n所以站在其實國家的整體利益和全民的健康上面我們確實是不應該分黨派應該要團結一次讓世界看到台灣部長想請問一下你對中共這一種把政治放在人民健康之上的行為有什麼看法\n主席\n在世界各國多說一些似是而非的話甚至是講一些很明顯錯誤的話比如說他對國際社會上面說他們能夠代表台灣人民實際上是他們沒有辦法代表台灣人民他們說我們的這些技術性的會議是經過中國政府的同意實際上不是經過他們的同意而是我們自己去申請的\n那他們也說中國政府會好好的照顧我們台灣人的健康福祉那我們台灣的人民的反應就是說你爛不要把他欺負你那你就慢行啊那所以中國政府常常會在國際社會上面說這些錯誤的這個話那每一次只要他們有任何這個錯誤的話我們外交部這邊都會予以反駁那剛剛非常謝謝委員的這一番正義支持\n謝謝部長努力那我再來請教部長由於美國在COVID-19的流行期間發現WHO嚴重的失能甚至因為政治的立場的關係導致公衛機制沒有辦法很好的運作所以拜登政府也花了三年的時間推出了美國全球健康安全的戰略然後這個戰略裡面主要是以美國聯邦政府為主題希望達到三個目標\n第一是藉由雙方合作強化全球的衛生能力第二是激勵政治的承諾與基金第三是整合所有的衛生安全行動然後從2015年開始台灣跟NIT就已經共同推動了一個GCTF的計畫全球有128個參與的國家包含了公共的衛生還有人道救援還有災害的防救這些議題基本上就是讓美國拉著台灣實質的參與\n．吳釗燮報告\n臺美日澳四方首都都是用抗疫的經驗還有公衛的專業深入交流大家也認為這樣的全球來這樣強化全球夥伴的關係是促成公衛安全的重要性那我想請教部長一下我們是不是能夠透過這個GCTF\nGCTF是我們在2015年跟美國成立的一個協定它叫做Global Cooperation and Training Framework就是利用我們台灣的強項不管是在公衛、在婦女賦權、在環保或者是說\n﹚林憶君﹚\n那委員剛剛提到的就是說藉用GCTF來強化我們跟美國的合作來推動全球的這個衛生方面的這種合作的話那我想我們會具以來推動其實那個公衛的這一題會持續不斷的在GCTF的這個workshop上面來呈現那我們台灣的這個公衛的能力是受到全球的讚譽甚至是在COVID的時候很多的國家都淪陷了\n謝謝部長\n我再問一個問題部長這幾天立陶宛東歐小國的總統選舉突然受到臺灣民眾的關注當然不外乎就是他的總統老塞達希望臺灣的代表處更名為臺北的代表處這件事情然後媒體報導因為前幾天也看到部長在廣播節目上面談到\n立陶宛的選舉的時候有提到在野黨勝選的機會比較大但總統選舉前其實老賽亞的民調都是大幅領先其他候選人那前一天的第一輪的投票結果也是確實是如此的那想請教部長一下就是說是外交部掌握的情質是有錯誤呢還是是你有意想要安撫台灣民眾的心情然後可以部長簡短的說明一下嗎\n很間斷的說明第一個就是那個立陶宛是280萬人口的國家他雖然說他的人口不是很多但是以道德的勇氣來說這是一個超級強國那我去那邊訪問的時候我就當面跟他們的這種國會議員等等的說他們是一個moral superpower因為他們所展現的這種對抗強權對抗蘇聯對抗中國的這種精神是很多的國家都比不上的\n這是第一點那第二點就是說我們跟他們討論到最後有一個協議就是說我們台灣在那邊的代表處是叫做The Taiwanese Representativeresentative Office就是我們台灣這邊發作的台灣代表處那這個是經過雙方同意的那這個問題也是行政部門之間也就是他們的那個這種行政部門不是總統這邊的\n是行政部門因為他們是內閣制所以他們的內閣的權利的範圍所以將來如果說要改的話是應該是他們的內閣來跟我們來做討論畢竟這已經有一個協議了那我的看法是這個更改的可能性應該是很小\n即使接下來在8月的時候他們會有一場新的那個國會議員的選舉可能會有一個新的政府那可是對於我們跟那個未來可能這種阻隔的這個新政府之間的這種討論的這個狀況來看的話會改名的這個機率很低\n我們跟立陶宛之間已經有各式各樣的這種合作的這些項目那這些項目對立陶宛來說也是非常重要的那所以我對我們接下來跟立陶宛的這個關係是非常的有信心\n因為其實立陶宛是歐洲國家中其實我是覺得他是一個很難得與台灣友好而且甚至在被中國打壓之後外交發生困境的時候是非常相挺台灣的國家但是剛才部長所講的但是據我了解那個立陶宛是半總統制的總統是負責國家的外交國防事務所以台灣辦事處是否可以更名這件事情其實是總統的職者職權他可以\n﹚林憶君﹚\n然後賽達最後的勝選的機率非常的大因為剛才我也講了這個應該是總統的職權所以他順利當選總統之後要求台灣辦事處真的把他更名為台北辦事處那這樣的話那我們如果他還有這種堅持的話那會不會影響到我們兩國的情誼還有外交關係的申辯呢還有他這樣你覺得說他更名的這樣的機率會有多大呢因為畢竟是他的職權\n國會大選是10月我們也跟各個不同的政黨包括現在的在野黨都有很深入的這些溝通包括現在的在野黨現在的執政黨當然更不用說現在的在野黨\n他們對於強化跟臺灣的關係持續來推動各式各樣的這些合作那他們也都抱持很高度的興趣所以接下來我們跟那個立陶宛之間的關係應該能夠維繫而且持續的加強\n至於那個立陶宛總統的這些看起來比較像是選舉語言的這些東西我們當然是會加以關注但是畢竟權力是在內閣的手上所以內閣對這個事情是有發言權和最後的這個決定權那目前看不出來說他們的內閣在這件事情上面會做任何的這個討論但是無論如何我們還是會持續的關注那以個人來說我對這個是相當有信心的\n好 謝謝部長 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.307 --> 00:03.608\n主席好有請外交部長請部長委員好\n\n00:14.989 --> 00:31.276\n首先針對前天大陸國台辦發言的陳彬華在記者會上說台灣方面沒有辦法參加WHA完全是民進黨當局造成的是在此本席也要幫外交部說句公道話了\n\n00:33.218 --> 00:49.469\n國台辦這樣發言其實真的是蠻荒謬的而且蠻可笑的完全打擊我們全部的辛苦的外交人員還有醫藥界的共同的努力世界衛生組織裡面的序言裡面就有講了享受最高額能獲至的健康標準\n\n00:50.350 --> 01:11.501\n是人人基本的權利之一不因種族、宗教、政治、信仰、經濟還有社會的情境各異而分宣誓大陸用這種政治綁架臺灣人民的健康綁架臺灣人民參與國際社會共享醫療資源的成果的做法其實是赤裸裸的侵犯了世界衛生組織基本原則\n\n01:12.521 --> 01:16.145\n所以站在其實國家的整體利益和全民的健康上面我們確實是不應該分黨派應該要團結一次讓世界看到台灣部長想請問一下你對中共這一種把政治放在人民健康之上的行為有什麼看法\n\n01:29.590 --> 01:29.710\n主席\n\n01:44.589 --> 02:06.781\n在世界各國多說一些似是而非的話甚至是講一些很明顯錯誤的話比如說他對國際社會上面說他們能夠代表台灣人民實際上是他們沒有辦法代表台灣人民他們說我們的這些技術性的會議是經過中國政府的同意實際上不是經過他們的同意而是我們自己去申請的\n\n02:07.421 --> 02:29.407\n那他們也說中國政府會好好的照顧我們台灣人的健康福祉那我們台灣的人民的反應就是說你爛不要把他欺負你那你就慢行啊那所以中國政府常常會在國際社會上面說這些錯誤的這個話那每一次只要他們有任何這個錯誤的話我們外交部這邊都會予以反駁那剛剛非常謝謝委員的這一番正義支持\n\n02:30.697 --> 02:36.942\n謝謝部長努力那我再來請教部長由於美國在COVID-19的流行期間發現WHO嚴重的失能甚至因為政治的立場的關係導致公衛機制沒有辦法很好的運作所以拜登政府也花了三年的時間推出了美國全球健康安全的戰略然後這個戰略裡面主要是以美國聯邦政府為主題希望達到三個目標\n\n02:57.557 --> 03:10.886\n第一是藉由雙方合作強化全球的衛生能力第二是激勵政治的承諾與基金第三是整合所有的衛生安全行動然後從2015年開始台灣跟NIT就已經共同推動了一個GCTF的計畫全球有128個參與的國家包含了公共的衛生還有人道救援還有災害的防救這些議題基本上就是讓美國拉著台灣實質的參與\n\n03:27.737 --> 03:27.757\n．吳釗燮報告\n\n03:45.335 --> 03:51.618\n臺美日澳四方首都都是用抗疫的經驗還有公衛的專業深入交流大家也認為這樣的全球來這樣強化全球夥伴的關係是促成公衛安全的重要性那我想請教部長一下我們是不是能夠透過這個GCTF\n\n04:04.785 --> 04:10.107\nGCTF是我們在2015年跟美國成立的一個協定它叫做GlobalCooperationandTrainingFramework就是利用我們台灣的強項不管是在公衛、在婦女賦權、在環保或者是說\n\n04:30.933 --> 04:31.353\n﹚林憶君﹚\n\n04:47.111 --> 05:12.773\n那委員剛剛提到的就是說藉用GCTF來強化我們跟美國的合作來推動全球的這個衛生方面的這種合作的話那我想我們會具以來推動其實那個公衛的這一題會持續不斷的在GCTF的這個workshop上面來呈現那我們台灣的這個公衛的能力是受到全球的讚譽甚至是在COVID的時候很多的國家都淪陷了\n\n05:13.413 --> 05:13.433\n謝謝部長\n\n05:35.565 --> 05:39.850\n我再問一個問題部長這幾天立陶宛東歐小國的總統選舉突然受到臺灣民眾的關注當然不外乎就是他的總統老塞達希望臺灣的代表處更名為臺北的代表處這件事情然後媒體報導因為前幾天也看到部長在廣播節目上面談到\n\n05:56.109 --> 06:19.545\n立陶宛的選舉的時候有提到在野黨勝選的機會比較大但總統選舉前其實老賽亞的民調都是大幅領先其他候選人那前一天的第一輪的投票結果也是確實是如此的那想請教部長一下就是說是外交部掌握的情質是有錯誤呢還是是你有意想要安撫台灣民眾的心情然後可以部長簡短的說明一下嗎\n\n06:21.326 --> 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