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00:01:37,399\n現在很多他想要農村再生但是他就是人口老化他沒有這個年輕人或投入者這個比較有困難這第一個你等一下整體回覆如果沒有時間不夠請提供書面第二個行政核銷問題太過\n\n6\n00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:45,744\n本院委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文\n\n7\n00:02:05,817 --> 00:02:06,277\n租借條例第十五條條文\n\n8\n00:02:20,828 --> 00:02:42,047\n所以這一塊我要反映出來但除了這個還有很多包括師資他找師資的時候有時候核銷也有各種我想你們要去了解很多這個核銷的問題跟困難包含驗收後面還有很多維護年限的問題再來第三個就是傳承與推動農村再生需要長時間的推動那經驗的傳承我們發現很多人\n\n9\n00:02:48,464 --> 00:03:05,724\n有經驗的不一定願意傳承那真心想推動的他又問不到所以再來就是很多就是跟在地的業者所以變成有業者願意做才來做但是他不一定是真的符合我們的農村的需求\n\n10\n00:03:06,504 --> 00:03:19,094\n所以本席一開始問的你農村再生你是為了農村再生我不是為了消耗預算我也不是為了迎合業者好再來第四個輔導員的問題很明顯的很多鄉村跟我說輔導員都不明確指導鄉親去請教我們的輔導員竟然說你去問其他人\n\n11\n00:03:29,002 --> 00:03:54,621\n那請問要輔導員做什麼?這一些問題都是我們要推動農村再生很困難的所以本席建議我們農村再生計畫一定要設立單一窗口來輔導而且你能夠簡化流程再來怎麼樣來解決人力的問題提高這些社區的提案意願那這個部分部長你可以承諾嗎?\n\n12\n00:03:56,122 --> 00:04:20,300\n我想剛才委員幾個問題我非常簡單的回答齁就第一個就是老化的問題我們希望引領青年回來那青年回來一定背後要有個支持系統沒有支持系統他只是在農村做工作我覺得他很容易再流失所以那個支持系統在我們下一次的施政的報告我們會把它提出來那第二個部分就是有關於行政效率的核效的部分齁我們也會重新檢討\n\n13\n00:04:21,361 --> 00:04:21,761\n一、本院委員\n\n14\n00:04:42,449 --> 00:05:03,395\n所以用相互的觀摩去彌補這個區塊未來我們會有更好的系統那第四個是輔導員的部分那其實農村再生裡面我們花了非常多的人力的培育其中有一個區塊就在輔導員所以啊那為什麼輔導員都不輔導所以這個部分我想我們一定要去加強那做不好真的要打屁股啦因為輔導員是最重要的核心\n\n15\n00:05:04,295 --> 00:05:31,089\n所以您最後一個問題是單一的窗口我們現在基本上有一些單一的窗口但是可能單一的窗口還是比較細啦也許我們會看看看怎麼來解決因為有些是縣市政府的部分嘛有些是中央的部分我們看怎麼樣去做整併或做連結讓它的行政效率會變快一點好本席很開心部長有了解而且也知道有一些執行上的困難最後\n\n16\n00:05:33,865 --> 00:05:48,971\n針對今天審的第七條,我們1500億的基金即將用完,由很多委員提出撥補的修法,那農業部的意見到底是什麼?你們到底贊不贊成委員提案撥補基金的修法方向?\n\n17\n00:05:49,955 --> 00:06:10,484\n我想基金很明確的在116年會見底但是我們現在有一個機制是可以再去請證相關的經費但是因為委員所提的版本它違反了財政紀律法裡面所以以農業部的立場我們沒辦法支持直接在上面寫明多少金額\n\n18\n00:06:11,004 --> 00:06:11,024\n案。\n\n19\n00:06:29,855 --> 00:06:34,157\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具«農村再生條例第二條及第十五條條文修正草案案案及第十五條條文修正草案案及第十五條條文\n\n20\n00:06:48,624 --> 00:07:11,167\n新修正的這些條裡面還有國土計畫如果一一四年四月落地開始實施以後他會有一個對接像委員裡面提到的一些全國性的部分是整體的然後縣市的部分他會根據國土計畫裡面的分區的功能去做相關的對應的處理我們有一個對應的配套的一個作為在後續所以那你依據哪一個\n\n21\n00:07:12,793 --> 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