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00:00:03,934\n謝謝主席,我們請部長請部長部長好,部長辛苦了,所有的與會官員都辛苦了部長請教一下,過去您曾經被國台辦列為臺獨的頑固分子這個有您辦列進去嗎?而且發表三千字的長文批判我\n\n2\n00:00:31,346 --> 00:00:46,648\n包括我們的副總統蕭美琦他被制裁兩次那還有我們現在未來的國防部長顧立雄也都列入這個台獨頑固分子那請問一下列入台獨頑固分子對你有什麼影響嗎?\n\n3\n00:00:48,198 --> 00:01:12,863\n最主要就是說有一點傷腦筋啦就是兩件事情第一個我是推動那個維持現狀的一個最主要的執行者結果被列成那個台獨頑固分子第二個那個狀況是有很多真的是推動台獨運動的人他們對我非常的不滿對他們認為說你有這個勳章為什麼他們沒有是不是他們問我說要去哪裡申請\n\n4\n00:01:14,823 --> 00:01:40,706\n現在我剛才講的包括您還有蕭美琴、顧立雄至少他們都是官員官員被國台辦列為台獨頑固分子至少我們是站在我們的崗位上面做我們該做的事情我看今天國台辦還把我們的名嘴不分藍綠包含黃世聰、于北辰、劉寶傑、李政昊、王逸川他們的五位名嘴還有他們的家屬\n\n5\n00:01:43,188 --> 00:02:10,070\n因為他們傳播錯誤的言論然後要給予懲罰給予懲戒那個懲戒還包含他們個人之外還有家屬實施懲戒那過去因為你們是官員那現在是連這個一般的民眾他們只是在電視上面發表一些言論國台辦認為說你怎麼可以講說這個大陸高鐵沒有靠背你怎麼可以說這個大陸人買不起茶葉蛋還有認為說你在散步不時的言論那可是這個是在\n\n6\n00:02:12,111 --> 00:02:25,018\n這個520之前我認為他在520之前特地的對於我們一般的民眾他們就是民嘴而已然後給予這個懲戒那請問一下部長你未來是這個國安會秘書長你有沒有什麼樣的看法\n\n7\n00:02:26,246 --> 00:02:43,364\n這個我們會仔細的來觀察就是說中國如果說在這方面不斷擴大的話到底會影響到多廣包括說我們的國人被制裁的這個國人要出門要過境等等的是不是會受到影響\n\n8\n00:02:44,766 --> 00:02:58,467\n就之前我所知就是除了人之外還有一些機構也被列入制裁那這個可能造成一些寒產的效應或者是實際參與的這種限制那所以這個部分我們必須要持續的來觀察\n\n9\n00:02:59,528 --> 00:03:23,292\n因為他是在520前特地宣布了,所以我認為他這一個要企圖利用這個來影響這520之前的這個兩岸關係那而且他們不是這個官員啊,比如說像您或是像我們是民意代表就算了,他們是一般的民眾啊他們可以對這樣子一般民眾來做出這種懲戒,而且還包括他的家屬我認為這是非常嚴重的一個挑釁的一個做法\n\n10\n00:03:24,729 --> 00:03:50,488\n我相信那個我們相關的機關會針對這個事情來做出回應我們台灣畢竟是一個言論自由的國家不管是支持哪一個政黨那這個言論的自由不應該有任何的限縮更何況是從外國想要來限縮我們的言論自由這個是絕對不能夠受到他們的影響是啊因為這個是不分來率喔我剛剛講那個五個名單是不分來率的那可是呢這不分來率都被\n\n11\n00:03:50,988 --> 00:03:51,349\n臺灣民主基金會董事長\n\n12\n00:04:15,507 --> 00:04:32,835\n這個是我們的立法院的院長對啊那目前就是我們的韓國瑜韓院長嘛那結果韓國瑜韓院長當這個董事長的這個機構台灣民主基金會也被他列為臺獨頑固分子我不曉得我們的韓國瑜韓院長有什麼樣的一個看法\n\n13\n00:04:33,925 --> 00:04:57,288\n那我再請教一下這個部長在5月18號有國民黨跟民眾黨的立委要登太平島那我記得在一個月之前你有說過就是說當時就是說有這個國民黨跟民眾黨的立委說這個希望要求這個總統能夠登太平島那時候你是講說太平島是中華民國的主權那個無庸置疑\n\n14\n00:04:58,168 --> 00:05:10,316\n兩岸在南海的爭議不斷地升高的時候我們應該用和平的方式來解決這個問題而非製造問題請教一下一個月之後部長的看法怎麼樣?\n\n15\n00:05:28,248 --> 00:05:32,870\n所以在520之前這些國民黨跟民眾黨立委要去太平島您認為這個時機還是不太好我覺得不是很好但是至於說他們要去這個是委員自己的這個決定\n\n16\n00:05:56,317 --> 00:06:00,080\n當時這個國安局長蔡明彥蔡局長他也是在這邊然後大家也是問到說這個太平島的會有一些風險性在因為他說我們的這個國軍的運輔船曾經有這個被這個中國騷擾過\n\n17\n00:06:25,638 --> 00:06:54,487\n那請問一下齁這一趟齁這一個包含這一個20位的國民黨跟民眾黨列委過去要去太平島我們有提供什麼樣的一些援助或是說要避免因為畢竟吶這個航程有1600公里齁有沒有什麼樣的維安或是飛航上面的一些安全我們要去幫他們注意的這個部分我沒有確定啦齁因為這個是國防部在處理的在外交部這邊並沒有涉入所以這部分就是跟外交部沒有關係就對了\n\n18\n00:06:55,307 --> 00:06:59,029\n國安局長提到有被騷擾的一個過程其實我也擔心雖然說黨派立場是不太一樣的那不曉得飛航這麼遠這1600公里不知道會不會被中國的軍機、軍艦做騷擾我不知道你們有沒有預判過會有這種情況\n\n19\n00:07:20,744 --> 00:07:38,724\n非常謝謝委員的提問我們外交部這邊是沒有跟國防部討論到相關的議題也沒有跟國安局討論到相關的議題但是如果說從過去這兩三年中國的戰機在騷擾其他國家的這種\n\n20\n00:07:39,525 --> 00:07:39,725\n李坤城議員\n\n21\n00:08:03,018 --> 00:08:03,158\n那可是...\n\n22\n00:08:23,141 --> 00:08:48,069\n您也是認為說目前要過去的話時機是不適合的而且對於這個捍衛這個臺北島是臺灣中華民國的族群實際上也沒有任何這個幫助就現階段而言那因為部長應該是最後一次這個在以外交部部長的身份來備詢那未來希望到這個國安會繼續這個堅守您的任務您的崗位我們會一起站在一起的謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n413\t3934\t謝謝主席,我們請部長請部長部長好,部長辛苦了,所有的與會官員都辛苦了部長請教一下,過去您曾經被國台辦列為臺獨的頑固分子這個有您辦列進去嗎?而且發表三千字的長文批判我\n31346\t46648\t包括我們的副總統蕭美琦他被制裁兩次那還有我們現在未來的國防部長顧立雄也都列入這個台獨頑固分子那請問一下列入台獨頑固分子對你有什麼影響嗎?\n48198\t72863\t最主要就是說有一點傷腦筋啦就是兩件事情第一個我是推動那個維持現狀的一個最主要的執行者結果被列成那個台獨頑固分子第二個那個狀況是有很多真的是推動台獨運動的人他們對我非常的不滿對他們認為說你有這個勳章為什麼他們沒有是不是他們問我說要去哪裡申請\n74823\t100706\t現在我剛才講的包括您還有蕭美琴、顧立雄至少他們都是官員官員被國台辦列為台獨頑固分子至少我們是站在我們的崗位上面做我們該做的事情我看今天國台辦還把我們的名嘴不分藍綠包含黃世聰、于北辰、劉寶傑、李政昊、王逸川他們的五位名嘴還有他們的家屬\n103188\t130070\t因為他們傳播錯誤的言論然後要給予懲罰 給予懲戒那個懲戒還包含他們個人之外還有家屬實施懲戒那過去因為你們是官員那現在是連這個一般的民眾他們只是在電視上面發表一些言論國台辦認為說你怎麼可以講說這個大陸高鐵沒有靠背你怎麼可以說這個大陸人買不起茶葉蛋還有認為說你在散步不時的言論那可是這個是在\n132111\t145018\t這個520之前我認為他在520之前特地的對於我們一般的民眾他們就是民嘴而已然後給予這個懲戒那請問一下部長你未來是這個國安會秘書長你有沒有什麼樣的看法\n146246\t163364\t這個我們會仔細的來觀察就是說中國如果說在這方面不斷擴大的話到底會影響到多廣包括說我們的國人被制裁的這個國人要出門要過境等等的是不是會受到影響\n164766\t178467\t就之前我所知就是除了人之外還有一些機構也被列入制裁那這個可能造成一些寒產的效應或者是實際參與的這種限制那所以這個部分我們必須要持續的來觀察\n179528\t203292\t因為他是在520前特地宣布了,所以我認為他這一個要企圖利用這個來影響這520之前的這個兩岸關係那而且他們不是這個官員啊,比如說像您或是像我們是民意代表就算了,他們是一般的民眾啊他們可以對這樣子一般民眾來做出這種懲戒,而且還包括他的家屬我認為這是非常嚴重的一個挑釁的一個做法\n204729\t230488\t我相信那個我們相關的機關會針對這個事情來做出回應我們台灣畢竟是一個言論自由的國家不管是支持哪一個政黨那這個言論的自由不應該有任何的限縮更何況是從外國想要來限縮我們的言論自由這個是絕對不能夠受到他們的影響是啊因為這個是不分來率喔我剛剛講那個五個名單是不分來率的那可是呢這不分來率都被\n230988\t231349\t臺灣民主基金會 董事長\n255507\t272835\t這個是我們的立法院的院長對啊那目前就是我們的韓國瑜韓院長嘛那結果韓國瑜韓院長當這個董事長的這個機構台灣民主基金會也被他列為臺獨頑固分子我不曉得我們的韓國瑜韓院長有什麼樣的一個看法\n273925\t297288\t那我再請教一下這個部長在5月18號有國民黨跟民眾黨的立委要登太平島那我記得在一個月之前你有說過就是說當時就是說有這個國民黨跟民眾黨的立委說這個希望要求這個總統能夠登太平島那時候你是講說太平島是中華民國的主權那個無庸置疑\n298168\t310316\t兩岸在南海的爭議不斷地升高的時候我們應該用和平的方式來解決這個問題而非製造問題請教一下一個月之後部長的看法怎麼樣?\n328248\t332870\t所以在520之前這些國民黨跟民眾黨立委要去太平島您認為這個時機還是不太好我覺得不是很好但是至於說他們要去這個是委員自己的這個決定\n356317\t360080\t當時這個國安局長蔡明彥蔡局長他也是在這邊然後大家也是問到說這個太平島的會有一些風險性在因為他說我們的這個國軍的運輔船曾經有這個被這個中國騷擾過\n385638\t414487\t那請問一下齁這一趟齁這一個包含這一個20位的國民黨跟民眾黨列委過去要去太平島我們有提供什麼樣的一些援助或是說要避免因為畢竟吶這個航程有1600公里齁有沒有什麼樣的維安或是飛航上面的一些安全我們要去幫他們注意的這個部分我沒有確定啦齁因為這個是國防部在處理的在外交部這邊並沒有涉入所以這部分就是跟外交部沒有關係就對了\n415307\t419029\t國安局長提到有被騷擾的一個過程其實我也擔心雖然說黨派立場是不太一樣的那不曉得飛航這麼遠這1600公里不知道會不會被中國的軍機、軍艦做騷擾我不知道你們有沒有預判過會有這種情況\n440744\t458724\t非常謝謝委員的提問我們外交部這邊是沒有跟國防部討論到相關的議題也沒有跟國安局討論到相關的議題但是如果說從過去這兩三年中國的戰機在騷擾其他國家的這種\n459525\t459725\t李坤城議員\n483018\t483158\t那可是...\n503141\t528069\t您也是認為說目前要過去的話時機是不適合的而且對於這個捍衛這個臺北島是臺灣中華民國的族群實際上也沒有任何這個幫助就現階段而言那因為部長應該是最後一次這個在以外交部部長的身份來備詢那未來希望到這個國安會繼續這個堅守您的任務您的崗位我們會一起站在一起的謝謝部長\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們請部長請部長部長好,部長辛苦了,所有的與會官員都辛苦了部長請教一下,過去您曾經被國台辦列為臺獨的頑固分子這個有您辦列進去嗎?而且發表三千字的長文批判我\n包括我們的副總統蕭美琦他被制裁兩次那還有我們現在未來的國防部長顧立雄也都列入這個台獨頑固分子那請問一下列入台獨頑固分子對你有什麼影響嗎?\n最主要就是說有一點傷腦筋啦就是兩件事情第一個我是推動那個維持現狀的一個最主要的執行者結果被列成那個台獨頑固分子第二個那個狀況是有很多真的是推動台獨運動的人他們對我非常的不滿對他們認為說你有這個勳章為什麼他們沒有是不是他們問我說要去哪裡申請\n現在我剛才講的包括您還有蕭美琴、顧立雄至少他們都是官員官員被國台辦列為台獨頑固分子至少我們是站在我們的崗位上面做我們該做的事情我看今天國台辦還把我們的名嘴不分藍綠包含黃世聰、于北辰、劉寶傑、李政昊、王逸川他們的五位名嘴還有他們的家屬\n因為他們傳播錯誤的言論然後要給予懲罰 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董事長\n這個是我們的立法院的院長對啊那目前就是我們的韓國瑜韓院長嘛那結果韓國瑜韓院長當這個董事長的這個機構台灣民主基金會也被他列為臺獨頑固分子我不曉得我們的韓國瑜韓院長有什麼樣的一個看法\n那我再請教一下這個部長在5月18號有國民黨跟民眾黨的立委要登太平島那我記得在一個月之前你有說過就是說當時就是說有這個國民黨跟民眾黨的立委說這個希望要求這個總統能夠登太平島那時候你是講說太平島是中華民國的主權那個無庸置疑\n兩岸在南海的爭議不斷地升高的時候我們應該用和平的方式來解決這個問題而非製造問題請教一下一個月之後部長的看法怎麼樣?\n所以在520之前這些國民黨跟民眾黨立委要去太平島您認為這個時機還是不太好我覺得不是很好但是至於說他們要去這個是委員自己的這個決定\n當時這個國安局長蔡明彥蔡局長他也是在這邊然後大家也是問到說這個太平島的會有一些風險性在因為他說我們的這個國軍的運輔船曾經有這個被這個中國騷擾過\n那請問一下齁這一趟齁這一個包含這一個20位的國民黨跟民眾黨列委過去要去太平島我們有提供什麼樣的一些援助或是說要避免因為畢竟吶這個航程有1600公里齁有沒有什麼樣的維安或是飛航上面的一些安全我們要去幫他們注意的這個部分我沒有確定啦齁因為這個是國防部在處理的在外交部這邊並沒有涉入所以這部分就是跟外交部沒有關係就對了\n國安局長提到有被騷擾的一個過程其實我也擔心雖然說黨派立場是不太一樣的那不曉得飛航這麼遠這1600公里不知道會不會被中國的軍機、軍艦做騷擾我不知道你們有沒有預判過會有這種情況\n非常謝謝委員的提問我們外交部這邊是沒有跟國防部討論到相關的議題也沒有跟國安局討論到相關的議題但是如果說從過去這兩三年中國的戰機在騷擾其他國家的這種\n李坤城議員\n那可是...\n您也是認為說目前要過去的話時機是不適合的而且對於這個捍衛這個臺北島是臺灣中華民國的族群實際上也沒有任何這個幫助就現階段而言那因為部長應該是最後一次這個在以外交部部長的身份來備詢那未來希望到這個國安會繼續這個堅守您的任務您的崗位我們會一起站在一起的謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.413 --> 00:03.934\n謝謝主席,我們請部長請部長部長好,部長辛苦了,所有的與會官員都辛苦了部長請教一下,過去您曾經被國台辦列為臺獨的頑固分子這個有您辦列進去嗎?而且發表三千字的長文批判我\n\n00:31.346 --> 00:46.648\n包括我們的副總統蕭美琦他被制裁兩次那還有我們現在未來的國防部長顧立雄也都列入這個台獨頑固分子那請問一下列入台獨頑固分子對你有什麼影響嗎?\n\n00:48.198 --> 01:12.863\n最主要就是說有一點傷腦筋啦就是兩件事情第一個我是推動那個維持現狀的一個最主要的執行者結果被列成那個台獨頑固分子第二個那個狀況是有很多真的是推動台獨運動的人他們對我非常的不滿對他們認為說你有這個勳章為什麼他們沒有是不是他們問我說要去哪裡申請\n\n01:14.823 --> 01:40.706\n現在我剛才講的包括您還有蕭美琴、顧立雄至少他們都是官員官員被國台辦列為台獨頑固分子至少我們是站在我們的崗位上面做我們該做的事情我看今天國台辦還把我們的名嘴不分藍綠包含黃世聰、于北辰、劉寶傑、李政昊、王逸川他們的五位名嘴還有他們的家屬\n\n01:43.188 --> 02:10.070\n因為他們傳播錯誤的言論然後要給予懲罰給予懲戒那個懲戒還包含他們個人之外還有家屬實施懲戒那過去因為你們是官員那現在是連這個一般的民眾他們只是在電視上面發表一些言論國台辦認為說你怎麼可以講說這個大陸高鐵沒有靠背你怎麼可以說這個大陸人買不起茶葉蛋還有認為說你在散步不時的言論那可是這個是在\n\n02:12.111 --> 02:25.018\n這個520之前我認為他在520之前特地的對於我們一般的民眾他們就是民嘴而已然後給予這個懲戒那請問一下部長你未來是這個國安會秘書長你有沒有什麼樣的看法\n\n02:26.246 --> 02:43.364\n這個我們會仔細的來觀察就是說中國如果說在這方面不斷擴大的話到底會影響到多廣包括說我們的國人被制裁的這個國人要出門要過境等等的是不是會受到影響\n\n02:44.766 --> 02:58.467\n就之前我所知就是除了人之外還有一些機構也被列入制裁那這個可能造成一些寒產的效應或者是實際參與的這種限制那所以這個部分我們必須要持續的來觀察\n\n02:59.528 --> 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