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00:01:03,655\n那我現在說如果是按照我們的工作時間的話所以我們大概只有短短的12個小時或13個小時如果有可能的話你們法務部接受到行政院給你們的指示然後你們趕快做成言議再回覆給行政院行政院再回覆給總統我這樣講的程序對不對\n\n4\n00:01:05,737 --> 00:01:32,681\n各位報告社民法規定它是不一定要總統不一定要交給法務部來研議的它是得得所以它也有一種可能是它可以完全不甩尼法務部也不用交給你它就直接去宣布按照社民法規定是這樣是可以的那當然這樣的話就會變成假使在520之前蔡總統要特赦陳水扁那就要由總統府一間擔起所有的責任是吧\n\n5\n00:01:33,684 --> 00:02:00,200\n各位報告這是總統的特別的權益對沒錯即使我們按照說明法也給原意太子是一個但是如果對啦但是如果交給行政院行政院再交給你們的話那當然你們就要共同的去負擔那未來後人講起這件歷史的公案你們也一起丟臉而已啦是不是各位報告我們法務部就是提供法律上法制上的建議啦\n\n6\n00:02:01,981 --> 00:02:25,900\n那法律怎麼規定怎麼做那是一個狀態是一個事實其實陳水扁該不該被特赦其實非常明確的就是到目前為止他還有四個案子還在審查中就根本就還是停止審判的那我要特別講到就是說其實特赦陳水扁他當然會變成一個高度的政治性的事件對不起把那個放上去\n\n7\n00:02:26,701 --> 00:02:50,054\n特赦陳水扁讓我們認為就是他的條件去跟過去幾任總統包含李登輝陳水扁自己本身還有馬英九他們都有行使他們特赦的權利但是我最近呢我看到應該是今天齁我看到這個聯合報的他們的他不是在報紙上應該是他的這個付費的一個評論我覺得他很有意思\n\n8\n00:02:55,697 --> 00:02:59,801\n他把過去幾任總統特赦的對象把它整理出來因為我就說所有你去行使特赦你都要未來去讓外界去檢驗讓後人去檢驗比如說李登輝他特赦了誰呢他特赦了美麗島的政治犯以現在來看的話他雖然也是一個政治性的特赦\n\n9\n00:03:18,917 --> 00:03:30,983\n但是呢大家會覺得至少對於臺灣的整個的民主政治跟政黨政治他是有正面性的一個功能好那陳水扁自己本身他的特赦呢他曾經特赦過百米炸彈客這個其實當時在社會上也有非常多的討論另外呢他還有去特赦他是因為有19個人他因為宗教因素他拒服兵役被判刑他也是在他的特赦範圍\n\n10\n00:03:48,132 --> 00:04:14,031\n我覺得這些都是我們再回在若干年後10年20年後我們再回來看一下他是不是值得被特赦的一個對象好我們再看那麼蔡英文總統他自己本身也行使過特赦權他曾經特赦過獵人王光祿先生因為當時他他被稱之為孝子獵人因為他這個是也是跟他原住民族的一個生活文化有關好所以\n\n11\n00:04:16,212 --> 00:04:44,932\n今天把這些把它列出來之後就會認為說總統他有這樣一個特赦令就是有這樣特赦權利但是他的一個特赦應該是針對不管一個多元文化或對於台灣的民主、法治的精神或人文關懷的精神是有所注意而有所交代的如果是特赦沉水扁說實在我剛才不是在講嗎希望\n\n12\n00:04:46,153 --> 00:05:03,050\n但我希望蔡總統不要在最後的時候去特赦陳水扁他們就算去特赦陳水扁的話那我相信我若是法務部委員希望你根本都不要來問我意見否則的話我還要跟你共同負擔這樣的一個責任所以特赦陳水扁如果是有交換條件的話\n\n13\n00:05:04,631 --> 00:05:18,900\n那麼對於司法來說對於司法來說就是你用一個司法的一個特赦然後交換你在政治上不管外界所講的如果蔡總統你今天去特赦陳水扁是不是去報答他過去對你的提攜之恩或者還是說有什麼樣的政治的利益交換這都是我們不願意看到的\n\n14\n00:05:29,227 --> 00:05:48,927\n那今天其實我們已經在520已經在倒數計時特赦沉水扁最近被甚囂塵上的傳者可是這也代表我們現在整個的在社會輿論方面其實我包含看到有一些綠營的民意代表也不認為這個時候是特赦沉水扁的好時候\n\n15\n00:05:51,670 --> 00:06:11,648\n所以社會沒有共識所以其實特赦沉水扁對於一個樹立就是總統他有這樣的一個特赦權利對台灣的未來也沒有任何的貢獻的時候其實我們會希望蔡總統在最後倒數計時的時候不要去做一些錯誤的事情\n\n16\n00:06:12,088 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是吧\n93684\t120200\t各位報告這是總統的特別的權益對沒錯即使我們按照說明法也給原意太子是一個但是如果對啦但是如果交給行政院行政院再交給你們的話那當然你們就要共同的去負擔那未來後人講起這件歷史的公案你們也一起丟臉而已啦是不是各位報告我們法務部就是提供法律上法制上的建議啦\n121981\t145900\t那法律怎麼規定怎麼做那是一個狀態是一個事實其實陳水扁該不該被特赦其實非常明確的就是到目前為止他還有四個案子還在審查中就根本就還是停止審判的那我要特別講到就是說其實特赦陳水扁他當然會變成一個高度的政治性的事件對不起把那個放上去\n146701\t170054\t特赦陳水扁讓我們認為就是他的條件去跟過去幾任總統包含李登輝陳水扁自己本身還有馬英九他們都有行使他們特赦的權利但是我最近呢我看到應該是今天齁我看到這個聯合報的他們的他不是在報紙上應該是他的這個付費的一個評論我覺得他很有意思\n175697\t179801\t他把過去幾任總統特赦的對象把它整理出來因為我就說所有你去行使特赦你都要未來去讓外界去檢驗讓後人去檢驗比如說李登輝他特赦了誰呢他特赦了美麗島的政治犯以現在來看的話他雖然也是一個政治性的特赦\n198917\t210983\t但是呢大家會覺得至少對於臺灣的整個的民主政治跟政黨政治他是有正面性的一個功能好那陳水扁自己本身他的特赦呢他曾經特赦過百米炸彈客這個其實當時在社會上也有非常多的討論另外呢他還有去特赦他是因為有19個人他因為宗教因素他拒服兵役被判刑他也是在他的特赦範圍\n228132\t254031\t我覺得這些都是我們再回在若干年後10年20年後我們再回來看一下他是不是值得被特赦的一個對象好我們再看那麼蔡英文總統他自己本身也行使過特赦權他曾經特赦過獵人王光祿先生因為當時他他被稱之為孝子獵人因為他這個是也是跟他原住民族的一個生活文化有關好所以\n256212\t284932\t今天把這些把它列出來之後就會認為說總統他有這樣一個特赦令就是有這樣特赦權利但是他的一個特赦應該是針對不管一個多元文化或對於台灣的民主、法治的精神或人文關懷的精神是有所注意而有所交代的如果是特赦沉水扁說實在我剛才不是在講嗎希望\n286153\t303050\t但我希望蔡總統不要在最後的時候去特赦陳水扁他們就算去特赦陳水扁的話那我相信我若是法務部委員希望你根本都不要來問我意見否則的話我還要跟你共同負擔這樣的一個責任所以特赦陳水扁如果是有交換條件的話\n304631\t318900\t那麼對於司法來說對於司法來說就是你用一個司法的一個特赦然後交換你在政治上不管外界所講的如果蔡總統你今天去特赦陳水扁是不是去報答他過去對你的提攜之恩或者還是說有什麼樣的政治的利益交換這都是我們不願意看到的\n329227\t348927\t那今天其實我們已經在520已經在倒數計時特赦沉水扁最近被甚囂塵上的傳者可是這也代表我們現在整個的在社會輿論方面其實我包含看到有一些綠營的民意代表也不認為這個時候是特赦沉水扁的好時候\n351670\t371648\t所以社會沒有共識所以其實特赦沉水扁對於一個樹立就是總統他有這樣的一個特赦權利對台灣的未來也沒有任何的貢獻的時候其實我們會希望蔡總統在最後倒數計時的時候不要去做一些錯誤的事情\n372088\t372108\t好,謝謝。\n","txt":"謝謝主席我請吳秘書長還有黃次長好秘書長次長好次長我想請問一下因為剛才你回答前面幾位委員都是到現在為止法務部沒有收到來自於行政院的任何的就是要求特赦的言議\n王鴻薇\n那我現在說如果是按照我們的工作時間的話所以我們大概只有短短的12個小時或13個小時如果有可能的話你們法務部接受到行政院給你們的指示然後你們趕快做成言議再回覆給行政院行政院再回覆給總統我這樣講的程序對不對\n各位報告 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是吧\n各位報告這是總統的特別的權益對沒錯即使我們按照說明法也給原意太子是一個但是如果對啦但是如果交給行政院行政院再交給你們的話那當然你們就要共同的去負擔那未來後人講起這件歷史的公案你們也一起丟臉而已啦是不是各位報告我們法務部就是提供法律上法制上的建議啦\n那法律怎麼規定怎麼做那是一個狀態是一個事實其實陳水扁該不該被特赦其實非常明確的就是到目前為止他還有四個案子還在審查中就根本就還是停止審判的那我要特別講到就是說其實特赦陳水扁他當然會變成一個高度的政治性的事件對不起把那個放上去\n特赦陳水扁讓我們認為就是他的條件去跟過去幾任總統包含李登輝陳水扁自己本身還有馬英九他們都有行使他們特赦的權利但是我最近呢我看到應該是今天齁我看到這個聯合報的他們的他不是在報紙上應該是他的這個付費的一個評論我覺得他很有意思\n他把過去幾任總統特赦的對象把它整理出來因為我就說所有你去行使特赦你都要未來去讓外界去檢驗讓後人去檢驗比如說李登輝他特赦了誰呢他特赦了美麗島的政治犯以現在來看的話他雖然也是一個政治性的特赦\n但是呢大家會覺得至少對於臺灣的整個的民主政治跟政黨政治他是有正面性的一個功能好那陳水扁自己本身他的特赦呢他曾經特赦過百米炸彈客這個其實當時在社會上也有非常多的討論另外呢他還有去特赦他是因為有19個人他因為宗教因素他拒服兵役被判刑他也是在他的特赦範圍\n我覺得這些都是我們再回在若干年後10年20年後我們再回來看一下他是不是值得被特赦的一個對象好我們再看那麼蔡英文總統他自己本身也行使過特赦權他曾經特赦過獵人王光祿先生因為當時他他被稱之為孝子獵人因為他這個是也是跟他原住民族的一個生活文化有關好所以\n今天把這些把它列出來之後就會認為說總統他有這樣一個特赦令就是有這樣特赦權利但是他的一個特赦應該是針對不管一個多元文化或對於台灣的民主、法治的精神或人文關懷的精神是有所注意而有所交代的如果是特赦沉水扁說實在我剛才不是在講嗎希望\n但我希望蔡總統不要在最後的時候去特赦陳水扁他們就算去特赦陳水扁的話那我相信我若是法務部委員希望你根本都不要來問我意見否則的話我還要跟你共同負擔這樣的一個責任所以特赦陳水扁如果是有交換條件的話\n那麼對於司法來說對於司法來說就是你用一個司法的一個特赦然後交換你在政治上不管外界所講的如果蔡總統你今天去特赦陳水扁是不是去報答他過去對你的提攜之恩或者還是說有什麼樣的政治的利益交換這都是我們不願意看到的\n那今天其實我們已經在520已經在倒數計時特赦沉水扁最近被甚囂塵上的傳者可是這也代表我們現在整個的在社會輿論方面其實我包含看到有一些綠營的民意代表也不認為這個時候是特赦沉水扁的好時候\n所以社會沒有共識所以其實特赦沉水扁對於一個樹立就是總統他有這樣的一個特赦權利對台灣的未來也沒有任何的貢獻的時候其實我們會希望蔡總統在最後倒數計時的時候不要去做一些錯誤的事情\n好,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.277 --> 00:08.459\n謝謝主席我請吳秘書長還有黃次長好秘書長次長好次長我想請問一下因為剛才你回答前面幾位委員都是到現在為止法務部沒有收到來自於行政院的任何的就是要求特赦的言議\n\n00:28.427 --> 00:28.647\n王鴻薇\n\n00:43.897 --> 01:03.655\n那我現在說如果是按照我們的工作時間的話所以我們大概只有短短的12個小時或13個小時如果有可能的話你們法務部接受到行政院給你們的指示然後你們趕快做成言議再回覆給行政院行政院再回覆給總統我這樣講的程序對不對\n\n01:05.737 --> 01:32.681\n各位報告社民法規定它是不一定要總統不一定要交給法務部來研議的它是得得所以它也有一種可能是它可以完全不甩尼法務部也不用交給你它就直接去宣布按照社民法規定是這樣是可以的那當然這樣的話就會變成假使在520之前蔡總統要特赦陳水扁那就要由總統府一間擔起所有的責任是吧\n\n01:33.684 --> 02:00.200\n各位報告這是總統的特別的權益對沒錯即使我們按照說明法也給原意太子是一個但是如果對啦但是如果交給行政院行政院再交給你們的話那當然你們就要共同的去負擔那未來後人講起這件歷史的公案你們也一起丟臉而已啦是不是各位報告我們法務部就是提供法律上法制上的建議啦\n\n02:01.981 --> 02:25.900\n那法律怎麼規定怎麼做那是一個狀態是一個事實其實陳水扁該不該被特赦其實非常明確的就是到目前為止他還有四個案子還在審查中就根本就還是停止審判的那我要特別講到就是說其實特赦陳水扁他當然會變成一個高度的政治性的事件對不起把那個放上去\n\n02:26.701 --> 02:50.054\n特赦陳水扁讓我們認為就是他的條件去跟過去幾任總統包含李登輝陳水扁自己本身還有馬英九他們都有行使他們特赦的權利但是我最近呢我看到應該是今天齁我看到這個聯合報的他們的他不是在報紙上應該是他的這個付費的一個評論我覺得他很有意思\n\n02:55.697 --> 02:59.801\n他把過去幾任總統特赦的對象把它整理出來因為我就說所有你去行使特赦你都要未來去讓外界去檢驗讓後人去檢驗比如說李登輝他特赦了誰呢他特赦了美麗島的政治犯以現在來看的話他雖然也是一個政治性的特赦\n\n03:18.917 --> 03:30.983\n但是呢大家會覺得至少對於臺灣的整個的民主政治跟政黨政治他是有正面性的一個功能好那陳水扁自己本身他的特赦呢他曾經特赦過百米炸彈客這個其實當時在社會上也有非常多的討論另外呢他還有去特赦他是因為有19個人他因為宗教因素他拒服兵役被判刑他也是在他的特赦範圍\n\n03:48.132 --> 04:14.031\n我覺得這些都是我們再回在若干年後10年20年後我們再回來看一下他是不是值得被特赦的一個對象好我們再看那麼蔡英文總統他自己本身也行使過特赦權他曾經特赦過獵人王光祿先生因為當時他他被稱之為孝子獵人因為他這個是也是跟他原住民族的一個生活文化有關好所以\n\n04:16.212 --> 04:44.932\n今天把這些把它列出來之後就會認為說總統他有這樣一個特赦令就是有這樣特赦權利但是他的一個特赦應該是針對不管一個多元文化或對於台灣的民主、法治的精神或人文關懷的精神是有所注意而有所交代的如果是特赦沉水扁說實在我剛才不是在講嗎希望\n\n04:46.153 --> 05:03.050\n但我希望蔡總統不要在最後的時候去特赦陳水扁他們就算去特赦陳水扁的話那我相信我若是法務部委員希望你根本都不要來問我意見否則的話我還要跟你共同負擔這樣的一個責任所以特赦陳水扁如果是有交換條件的話\n\n05:04.631 --> 05:18.900\n那麼對於司法來說對於司法來說就是你用一個司法的一個特赦然後交換你在政治上不管外界所講的如果蔡總統你今天去特赦陳水扁是不是去報答他過去對你的提攜之恩或者還是說有什麼樣的政治的利益交換這都是我們不願意看到的\n\n05:29.227 --> 05:48.927\n那今天其實我們已經在520已經在倒數計時特赦沉水扁最近被甚囂塵上的傳者可是這也代表我們現在整個的在社會輿論方面其實我包含看到有一些綠營的民意代表也不認為這個時候是特赦沉水扁的好時候\n\n05:51.670 --> 06:11.648\n所以社會沒有共識所以其實特赦沉水扁對於一個樹立就是總統他有這樣的一個特赦權利對台灣的未來也沒有任何的貢獻的時候其實我們會希望蔡總統在最後倒數計時的時候不要去做一些錯誤的事情\n\n06:12.088 --> 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