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00:02:22,085\n這邊非常坦誠的跟委員報告就是說在那個世界衛生組織裡面有一個很大的一個votingblock其實就是GlobalSouth那這個是那個跟著中國走的那我們是要走一條比較長遠的道路就是需要去吸引更多的這些自由民主的這個國家來支持我們\n\n7\n00:02:22,985 --> 00:02:49,493\n在過去這段時間支持我們的這些國家是越來越多了那我們必須要長此以往繼續努力下去爭取更多的國家來協助我們所以如果我們聽到外交部這個努力我們給予這個肯定但是如果以部長您的身份認為我們還有其他的什麼方式如果這一個部分沒有辦法去解決似乎\n\n8\n00:02:50,313 --> 00:03:18,764\n人民的期待會落空你看人民多勇敢即使我們沒有辦法進入即使我們沒有辦法得到邀請仍舊還是很多的國人到場外去支持到場外去拿廣告單到場外去吶喊這就是我們台灣人的精神嘛那如果是這樣的話那在行政部門民眾的部分民間大家全力的支持\n\n9\n00:03:19,324 --> 00:03:30,577\n那我我們行政部門還有什麼的方案如果我們只有聽到說我要長遠要怎麼樣但是實際上沒有辦法去解決這個問題那怎麼辦呢\n\n10\n00:03:32,906 --> 00:03:49,000\n真的非常感謝委員對我們參與世界衛生組織的關心畢竟這個是涉及到我們全國的安全那個健康的安全對嘛尤其我們又是全世界在衛生組織裡頭可以說我們的各階層是最嚴密的\n\n11\n00:03:50,602 --> 00:04:12,694\n對那這個有三個方式跟委員說明一下第一個就是說透過在世界衛生大會的這個期間我們去安排雙邊的這個會議讓我們國家跟其他國家的那個衛生官員關係能夠更加緊密那第二個是透過我們的專家學者甚至是官員去參加世界衛生大會世界衛生組織相關的這些會議專家會議等等的\n\n12\n00:04:16,556 --> 00:04:37,912\n目前我們被接受的程度是越來越高的比例是不斷的上升第三個要徹底打破中國在國際社會上面封鎖我們關鍵就是2758號決議案我相信委員一定有看到美國的副助理國務卿跟助理國務卿針對這個事情都有強烈的發言而且美國會協助我們\n\n13\n00:04:38,652 --> 00:04:39,553\n之所以本席願意給你\n\n14\n00:04:54,775 --> 00:04:54,955\n我贊成\n\n15\n00:05:14,782 --> 00:05:28,352\n我非常的贊成我們的態度一向都是我們的態度我們自己的政策我們的態度就是我們歡迎那個兩岸能夠有這種和平的對話那我們這邊也不會挑釁但是涉及到我們自己立場的話我們會很穩定\n\n16\n00:05:30,533 --> 00:05:48,196\n當然所以我也歡喜聽到部長你在520之前說出了這番話也就是兩岸的和平對談兩岸的和平交流我們也不挑釁這個絕對是對我們整個在外交方面是有很大的一個幫助是嗎\n\n17\n00:05:49,238 --> 00:06:02,074\n這是我們的態度,一向都是我們的態度換句話說,也認同本席所說的,這是有所幫助的所以在這種情況之下,我們朝這個方向但是我們又看到目前我們的邦交國是有幾國?\n\n18\n00:06:03,609 --> 00:06:18,456\n我們是12個邦交國幾個啊12個那最近發生的這個事情好像跟我們自己預估的這個這個樣態不太一樣是嗎那個委員是提哪一個最近\n\n19\n00:06:19,878 --> 00:06:21,519\n在要斷交之前你們有研判已經要斷交嗎?我們有知道那個時間點尤其是在選舉的那個最敏感的時間點的確是我們所掌握的\n\n20\n00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:53,940\n那我們也知道說他們為什麼需要做這些事情那外界又有猜測海地跟瓜地馬拉\n\n21\n00:06:55,051 --> 00:07:21,059\n有這種訊息嗎?民眾好緊張欸有嗎?跟委員報告很緊張的其實我有最近有說過幾次包括今天早上在我們的那個委員會裡面已經有說過就是說我們有一個友邦他是長期的這個內部的這個紛擾那這個是我們的長期的隱憂那雖然說最近的這段時間在短中期間\n\n22\n00:07:23,341 --> 00:07:34,763\n我們對他們的協助所以邦交沒有問題不是瓜地馬拉瓜地馬拉沒有問題本席待會再跟你討論你現在講的這個問題就是本席所提問海地跟瓜地馬拉目前都正常吧\n\n23\n00:07:35,249 --> 00:07:52,878\n目前沒有問題,但是尤其是瓜地馬拉目前是狀況是還不錯啦吼那海地也沒有問題,但是海地就是目前就是內部陷入紛擾那這個是我們很擔心,也持續關注對,要持續關注接下來本先生要請教巴拉圭\n\n24\n00:07:53,837 --> 00:08:23,443\n巴拉圭是大豆跟牛肉出口最大的國家是他甚至占全球大豆是排名第四牛肉是第八喔在這樣的情況之下隔壁的巴西跟這個阿根廷那會不會有所影響不會那個巴拉圭跟我們關係很好那個520的時候那個貝納總統他會親自來參加那大家看到他的時候你就知道說我們的關係是非常好的\n\n25\n00:08:24,421 --> 00:08:46,634\n所以請大家放心因為他的大豆跟牛肉跟我們長期這麼有幫我們買了他們很多的這些牛肉當然啊所以我告訴你他是目前全球他出口多少那就是有人有所質疑但是我們希望我們要謹慎嚴正以對那所以在這樣的情況之下部長\n\n26\n00:08:48,306 --> 00:09:02,360\n你的努力大家有看到但是我們面對到我們現在剩下12個國家的邦交國那所以在這樣的情況之下你認為你要給期許新政府上任的外交大方向有什麼期免嗎?\n\n27\n00:09:04,102 --> 00:09:30,051\n這個部分我跟委員報告一下就是說過去這段時間我們的確在邦交國的部分是面臨很大的壓力但是在這些壓力之下我們必須要去努力開拓我們台灣的這個國際空間那我們跟美國跟歐洲很多的國家跟日本跟澳洲等等的這些國家的關係都有長足的這個進展那尤其是國際社會只要有這種高峰會的時候他們一定會提到台灣\n\n28\n00:09:30,931 --> 00:09:58,450\n新的這個政府外交的系統裡頭我有跟後任的外交部長說明就是目前的這個外交的這個方向那我相信等他上任之後他也會去考慮看除了這個方向之外是不是還有其他我們可以開拓的目標所以美日歐當然對我們很重要我們現在的邦交國也維持不能忽略但最重要的是整個國際組織\n\n29\n00:10:00,111 --> 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South那這個是那個跟著中國走的那我們是要走一條比較長遠的道路就是需要去吸引更多的這些自由民主的這個國家來支持我們\n在過去這段時間支持我們的這些國家是越來越多了那我們必須要長此以往繼續努力下去爭取更多的國家來協助我們所以如果我們聽到外交部這個努力我們給予這個肯定但是如果以部長您的身份認為我們還有其他的什麼方式如果這一個部分沒有辦法去解決似乎\n人民的期待會落空你看人民多勇敢即使我們沒有辦法進入即使我們沒有辦法得到邀請仍舊還是很多的國人到場外去支持到場外去拿廣告單到場外去吶喊這就是我們台灣人的精神嘛那如果是這樣的話那在行政部門民眾的部分民間大家全力的支持\n那我我們行政部門還有什麼的方案如果我們只有聽到說我要長遠要怎麼樣但是實際上沒有辦法去解決這個問題那怎麼辦呢\n真的非常感謝委員對我們參與世界衛生組織的關心畢竟這個是涉及到我們全國的安全那個健康的安全對嘛尤其我們又是全世界在衛生組織裡頭可以說我們的各階層是最嚴密的\n對那這個有三個方式跟委員說明一下第一個就是說透過在世界衛生大會的這個期間我們去安排雙邊的這個會議讓我們國家跟其他國家的那個衛生官員關係能夠更加緊密那第二個是透過我們的專家學者甚至是官員去參加世界衛生大會世界衛生組織相關的這些會議專家會議等等的\n目前我們被接受的程度是越來越高的比例是不斷的上升第三個要徹底打破中國在國際社會上面封鎖我們關鍵就是2758號決議案我相信委員一定有看到美國的副助理國務卿跟助理國務卿針對這個事情都有強烈的發言而且美國會協助我們\n之所以本席願意給你\n我贊成\n我非常的贊成我們的態度一向都是我們的態度我們自己的政策我們的態度就是我們歡迎那個兩岸能夠有這種和平的對話那我們這邊也不會挑釁但是涉及到我們自己立場的話我們會很穩定\n當然所以我也歡喜聽到部長你在520之前說出了這番話也就是兩岸的和平對談兩岸的和平交流我們也不挑釁這個絕對是對我們整個在外交方面是有很大的一個幫助是嗎\n這是我們的態度,一向都是我們的態度換句話說,也認同本席所說的,這是有所幫助的所以在這種情況之下,我們朝這個方向但是我們又看到目前我們的邦交國是有幾國?\n我們是12個邦交國幾個啊12個那最近發生的這個事情好像跟我們自己預估的這個這個樣態不太一樣是嗎那個委員是提哪一個最近\n在要斷交之前你們有研判已經要斷交嗎?我們有知道那個時間點尤其是在選舉的那個最敏感的時間點的確是我們所掌握的\n那我們也知道說他們為什麼需要做這些事情那外界又有猜測海地跟瓜地馬拉\n有這種訊息嗎?民眾好緊張欸有嗎?跟委員報告很緊張的其實我有最近有說過幾次包括今天早上在我們的那個委員會裡面已經有說過就是說我們有一個友邦他是長期的這個內部的這個紛擾那這個是我們的長期的隱憂那雖然說最近的這段時間在短中期間\n我們對他們的協助所以邦交沒有問題不是瓜地馬拉瓜地馬拉沒有問題本席待會再跟你討論你現在講的這個問題就是本席所提問海地跟瓜地馬拉目前都正常吧\n目前沒有問題,但是尤其是瓜地馬拉目前是狀況是還不錯啦吼那海地也沒有問題,但是海地就是目前就是內部陷入紛擾那這個是我們很擔心,也持續關注對,要持續關注接下來本先生要請教巴拉圭\n巴拉圭是大豆跟牛肉出口最大的國家是他甚至占全球大豆是排名第四牛肉是第八喔在這樣的情況之下隔壁的巴西跟這個阿根廷那會不會有所影響不會那個巴拉圭跟我們關係很好那個520的時候那個貝納總統他會親自來參加那大家看到他的時候你就知道說我們的關係是非常好的\n所以請大家放心因為他的大豆跟牛肉跟我們長期這麼有幫我們買了他們很多的這些牛肉當然啊所以我告訴你他是目前全球他出口多少那就是有人有所質疑但是我們希望我們要謹慎嚴正以對那所以在這樣的情況之下部長\n你的努力大家有看到但是我們面對到我們現在剩下12個國家的邦交國那所以在這樣的情況之下你認為你要給期許新政府上任的外交大方向有什麼期免嗎?\n這個部分我跟委員報告一下就是說過去這段時間我們的確在邦交國的部分是面臨很大的壓力但是在這些壓力之下我們必須要去努力開拓我們台灣的這個國際空間那我們跟美國跟歐洲很多的國家跟日本跟澳洲等等的這些國家的關係都有長足的這個進展那尤其是國際社會只要有這種高峰會的時候他們一定會提到台灣\n新的這個政府外交的系統裡頭我有跟後任的外交部長說明就是目前的這個外交的這個方向那我相信等他上任之後他也會去考慮看除了這個方向之外是不是還有其他我們可以開拓的目標所以美日歐當然對我們很重要我們現在的邦交國也維持不能忽略但最重要的是整個國際組織\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.345 --> 00:38.548\n部長好我想第77屆的WHA在5月27號到6月1號在瑞士日內瓦要舉行那麼我們過去在2009年開始連續8年是以觀察員的身份出席WHA是嗎這個是全國這個民眾都非常期待的但是我們要看到從2017年我們就沒有再獲邀請為什麼呢\n\n00:41.655 --> 00:55.064\n就是因為中國的阻撓就這個理由就這個原因那世界衛生組織並改稱要台灣與會須先取得各國會員國的同意是嗎\n\n00:57.271 --> 01:13.878\n世界衛生組織是這樣子講那我們也盡量爭取向這個有盟國家向美國日本等等的這些國家來支持我們那在過去這段時間也越來越多的這些有盟國家理念相近國家出來力挺我們透過各種不同的這個方式來挺我們\n\n01:15.054 --> 01:42.470\n這是我們也非常讚許各種國家就像美國國務卿布林肯他5月初就在這個月他也發表了臺灣以觀察員身份參與第77屆世界衛生大會聲明強力的來鼓勵世界衛生組織能夠恢復邀請臺灣觀察員的身份參加WHA但是我們也很清楚\n\n01:43.905 --> 01:58.172\n金箍罩在於他必須要有取得各會員國的同意是嗎這個是譚德塞說的對那所以在這樣的情況之下我們有什麼有效的策略能夠來參與\n\n02:01.508 --> 02:22.085\n這邊非常坦誠的跟委員報告就是說在那個世界衛生組織裡面有一個很大的一個votingblock其實就是GlobalSouth那這個是那個跟著中國走的那我們是要走一條比較長遠的道路就是需要去吸引更多的這些自由民主的這個國家來支持我們\n\n02:22.985 --> 02:49.493\n在過去這段時間支持我們的這些國家是越來越多了那我們必須要長此以往繼續努力下去爭取更多的國家來協助我們所以如果我們聽到外交部這個努力我們給予這個肯定但是如果以部長您的身份認為我們還有其他的什麼方式如果這一個部分沒有辦法去解決似乎\n\n02:50.313 --> 03:18.764\n人民的期待會落空你看人民多勇敢即使我們沒有辦法進入即使我們沒有辦法得到邀請仍舊還是很多的國人到場外去支持到場外去拿廣告單到場外去吶喊這就是我們台灣人的精神嘛那如果是這樣的話那在行政部門民眾的部分民間大家全力的支持\n\n03:19.324 --> 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