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00:02:28,865\nCHTI這個機構是一個non-profitorganization很容易上網去看到這個non-profitorganization他們自己的這個宗旨那他跟捷克的很多的政府部門是有非常深厚的這種合作的關係不管是外交部經濟部衛福部等等的\n\n8\n00:02:29,406 --> 00:02:54,600\n那最主要原因就是說這個CHTI這個nonprofitorganization他在很多的這些援助方面的這個執行的成果非常的這個著重因此當我們跟捷克的政府討論到就是說希望能夠透過雙邊的合作來協助烏克蘭人協助烏克蘭人的時候他們也非常的高興就是說這個機構就是themostreputable\n\n9\n00:02:56,983 --> 00:03:04,352\n所以我們就跟捷克政府責定了這個機構來作為我們去援助烏克蘭的一個指定的機構\n\n10\n00:03:06,616 --> 00:03:30,834\n我們也了解到就是說要對那個雙邊都需要有一個監督的這個機制也因此成立了一個雙邊政府所成立的一個監督的這個機制透過這個監督的機制來監督這個CHTI對外援助的這個成果那另外他們也必須要跟我們那個提交其中報告來說明他們所做的這些成果\n\n11\n00:03:32,488 --> 00:03:52,294\n這個是最主要的回答委員剛剛所說的另外今天早上也有一些委員提到就是說為什麼烏克蘭提出的這些需求清單還有人提說要依據什麼我國政府採購法據我了解這個CHDI它本來就會依據捷克跟歐盟的採購法規嗎沒有錯\n\n12\n00:03:55,376 --> 00:04:11,015\n關於烏克蘭為什麼不能請烏克蘭提出需求清單我想部長也可以說明一下至少我的了解烏克蘭臺灣中國這些其實俄國這關係是相當敏感的烏克蘭的國會議員都會表達那部長可以解釋一下嗎雖然說我們跟少數的那個烏克蘭\n\n13\n00:04:11,596 --> 00:04:11,776\n執行委員．范雲\n\n14\n00:04:33,131 --> 00:04:33,151\n﹚范雲\n\n15\n00:05:02,162 --> 00:05:15,720\n如果說要用那個採購法的話這個絕對是notapplicable因為他是捷克的一個單位那他們那邊要買絕對是需要符合當地的這個法規也要符合歐盟的非常高標準的這個相關的規範\n\n16\n00:05:17,497 --> 00:05:42,392\n謝謝部長的說明我想捷克是個民主國家然後他必須遵守歐盟的相關的規範採購我想這個部分的公信力我是非常的相信而且烏克蘭的狀況以我透過iPad接觸過的烏克蘭的國會議員我知道他們對所謂的台中或者中台關係是非常謹慎的所以我非常支持就是部長的做法經由第三國而且捷克跟我們相當有信任關係了\n\n17\n00:05:43,433 --> 00:06:02,602\n那個委員剛剛提到IPAC真的是要非常的感謝啦就是IPAC是一個非常重要的那個民主國家所成立的一個議會間的組織那在我們的努力之下7月下旬的時候這個IPAC就會來到我們台灣召開一個大會\n\n18\n00:06:03,542 --> 00:06:31,076\n那這個對我們台灣來講就是一個非常重要的一個機會讓我們台灣能夠呈現給這個國際組織也讓國際組織能夠實際上到台灣來展現對台灣的支持所以要謝謝委員在這方面的努力哪裡我想這個外交部也一起努力我代表台灣就是因為我們的其他的就是只有時代力量跟民進黨有派代表那過去民眾黨跟國民黨一直不願意派代表不過他們現在好像有些突破所以IPAD這個部分\n\n19\n00:06:31,536 --> 00:06:46,666\n那也謝謝大家一起的努力喔那我想因為iPad我們台灣能夠有他現在好像已經有就好像超過150個國會議員參與了那真的是非常重要的網絡那所以這部分真的是多方努力啦\n\n20\n00:06:47,066 --> 00:07:04,838\n其實我今天也想跟部長談一下就是我從擔任無人所大使那就接受外交部的協助剛剛講的您跟吳釗委員講到婦女權益的部分我們就再透過就是我們的駐美的代表的部分那參與了CSW的一個平行NGO的論壇\n\n21\n00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:30,695\n當時我也對臺灣的婦女參政做了一個報告那非常多我們友邦的大使到那另外就是國會外交的部分我們也去了英國、比利時、德國還有後來的捷克還有參加IPEC哥本哈根的DemocracySummit還有印度的瑞辛娜對話我非常的榮幸有機會代表我們臺灣參加那我真的非常肯定外交部第一線\n\n22\n00:07:31,656 --> 00:07:49,333\n工作者的努力而且我認為部長任內指派的大使非常的奮力做各種外交從剛剛講的公共外交到就是說針對國會針對政府部門的真的非常的努力那我也觀察到一件事因為我常常需要對外就是發言\n\n23\n00:07:49,813 --> 00:08:02,837\n所以我非常仔細看了部長您幾乎YouTube上所有接受國際媒體的訪問我都有認真聽那我想問部長您是不是我們所有的外交部長中接受最多國際媒體採訪的一位部長\n\n24\n00:08:05,394 --> 00:08:24,120\n在這方面我覺得非常的自豪就是說當我們沒有新聞局之後那國家的發言人照說就應該要有外交部長來擔任那自從我接任外交部長之後有很多的國際媒體希望能夠聽到台灣的聲音每次有人要找我一定都接受一定來安排\n\n25\n00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:43,975\n這個是我覺得我對台灣的這一個必要去做的一個任務讓全世界都能夠聽到我們台灣的聲音那到目前為止已經有328場那這個禮拜五這個禮拜五我工作的最後一天我還要接受另外一家媒體的這個訪問那我覺得說這個事情是不能停的\n\n26\n00:08:44,155 --> 00:09:10,494\n因為我們台灣的聲音要被國際社會所聽聞那外交部長或者是說我們駐外的大使對外發言代表台灣來發言那這個是一個非常重要的工具好謝謝喔因為我曾經受外交部邀請寫了一篇從利益外交到價值外交的文章登在你們的刊物上我也很高興我們賴清的準中最近就說外來就是價值外交的路線那因為時間的緣故那我個人是非常肯定喔\n\n27\n00:09:10,874 --> 00:09:34,709\n就是吳部長任內我們外交的成果讓我們的外交雖然兩岸關係緊張可是外交關係可以發展到最高峰我認為您就是功不可沒那真的陸力而為率領整個團隊那我也想藉著時間請問您對下一任部長如果有一件事是您的遺憾希望他努力的您會說是哪一件功成您還沒有做完希望他奮力去努力的部分呢\n\n28\n00:09:35,810 --> 00:09:55,224\n我有跟他提到說目前在進行的這些項目我相信他也非常的了解就是說很多持續性的這些東西他應該是可以持續的來進行那因為外交很多都是機密的這些項目那在這邊就不方便跟委員來說說明這樣子\n\n29\n00:09:56,325 --> 00:10:19,445\n了解,那我也非常肯定外交就是有為有守該守密的部分我們是說所有人不分立委公民都應該守密那該積極進取的部分不管是公共外交價值外交我覺得在吳部長任內這條路線是走出台灣的一條路那再次謝謝吳部長的辛勞那未來您在國安的議題上我們大家一起繼續加油,感謝會繼續努力,謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n809\t1029\t范國威議員\n25137\t51622\t聽了早上徐巧欣委員質詢的議題我覺得有些風向被亂帶真的不是很好您今天一直有提到CHTI據我的了解第一個捷克是個民主國家我自己曾經因為開iPad會議我們到捷克知道我們部長對捷克用心跟成果非常的高而且他的民主國家內部就有一定的監督機制\n52122\t54983\t在另一方面,我剛剛有看到新聞,捷克的烏克蘭重建特使科佩尼奇尼有特別解釋了一下CHTI是他們\n68450\t86183\t捷克政府指定的有經驗有公信力的NPO所以我想不知道部長是不是能夠澄清一下其實外界的這些謠言比如說我們這個案子涉及多少台商與多少台商合作那目前採購的情況如何還有為什麼是這個CHTI這個組織這樣\n89992\t105014\t非常謝謝委員那也非常謝謝委員對我們外交部的這個期許那的確我們跟那個捷克之間的關係是非常的深厚尤其是我個人在台灣捷克的這個關係上面也下了很多的功夫\n105835\t128742\t我也很高興捷克政府尤其是參議院他也認可了我在台捷關係方面的這個貢獻所以他們頒給我一個勳章這個就是捷克參議長送給我勳章的這個勳表那我隨時帶著也跟我自己講說臺灣捷克的關係對我們來講是非常的重要我要隨時來捍衛來強化我們臺灣跟捷克的這個關係\n132544\t148865\tCHTI這個機構是一個non-profit organization很容易上網去看到這個non-profit organization他們自己的這個宗旨那他跟捷克的很多的政府部門是有非常深厚的這種合作的關係不管是外交部經濟部衛福部等等的\n149406\t174600\t那最主要原因就是說這個CHTI這個nonprofit organization他在很多的這些援助方面的這個執行的成果非常的這個著重因此當我們跟捷克的政府討論到就是說希望能夠透過雙邊的合作來協助烏克蘭人協助烏克蘭人的時候他們也非常的高興就是說這個機構就是the 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applicable因為他是捷克的一個單位那他們那邊要買絕對是需要符合當地的這個法規也要符合歐盟的非常高標準的這個相關的規範\n317497\t342392\t謝謝部長的說明我想捷克是個民主國家然後他必須遵守歐盟的相關的規範採購我想這個部分的公信力我是非常的相信而且烏克蘭的狀況以我透過iPad接觸過的烏克蘭的國會議員我知道他們對所謂的台中或者中台關係是非常謹慎的所以我非常支持就是部長的做法經由第三國而且捷克跟我們相當有信任關係了\n343433\t362602\t那個委員剛剛提到IPAC真的是要非常的感謝啦就是IPAC是一個非常重要的那個民主國家所成立的一個議會間的組織那在我們的努力之下7月下旬的時候這個IPAC就會來到我們台灣召開一個大會\n363542\t391076\t那這個對我們台灣來講就是一個非常重要的一個機會讓我們台灣能夠呈現給這個國際組織也讓國際組織能夠實際上到台灣來展現對台灣的支持所以要謝謝委員在這方面的努力哪裡我想這個外交部也一起努力我代表台灣就是因為我們的其他的就是只有時代力量跟民進黨有派代表那過去民眾黨跟國民黨一直不願意派代表不過他們現在好像有些突破所以IPAD這個部分\n391536\t406666\t那也謝謝大家一起的努力喔那我想因為iPad我們台灣能夠有他現在好像已經有就好像超過150個國會議員參與了那真的是非常重要的網絡那所以這部分真的是多方努力啦\n407066\t424838\t其實我今天也想跟部長談一下就是我從擔任無人所大使那就接受外交部的協助剛剛講的您跟吳釗委員講到婦女權益的部分我們就再透過就是我們的駐美的代表的部分那參與了CSW的一個平行NGO的論壇\n426439\t450695\t當時我也對臺灣的婦女參政做了一個報告那非常多我們友邦的大使到那另外就是國會外交的部分我們也去了英國、比利時、德國還有後來的捷克還有參加IPEC哥本哈根的Democracy Summit還有印度的瑞辛娜對話我非常的榮幸有機會代表我們臺灣參加那我真的非常肯定外交部第一線\n451656\t469333\t工作者的努力而且我認為部長任內指派的大使非常的奮力做各種外交從剛剛講的公共外交到就是說針對國會針對政府部門的真的非常的努力那我也觀察到一件事因為我常常需要對外就是發言\n469813\t482837\t所以我非常仔細看了部長您幾乎YouTube上所有接受國際媒體的訪問我都有認真聽那我想問部長您是不是我們所有的外交部長中接受最多國際媒體採訪的一位部長\n485394\t504120\t在這方面我覺得非常的自豪就是說當我們沒有新聞局之後那國家的發言人照說就應該要有外交部長來擔任那自從我接任外交部長之後有很多的國際媒體希望能夠聽到台灣的聲音每次有人要找我一定都接受一定來安排\n504920\t523975\t這個是我覺得我對台灣的這一個必要去做的一個任務讓全世界都能夠聽到我們台灣的聲音那到目前為止已經有328場那這個禮拜五這個禮拜五我工作的最後一天我還要接受另外一家媒體的這個訪問那我覺得說這個事情是不能停的\n524155\t550494\t因為我們台灣的聲音要被國際社會所聽聞那外交部長或者是說我們駐外的大使對外發言代表台灣來發言那這個是一個非常重要的工具好 謝謝喔因為我曾經受外交部邀請寫了一篇從利益外交到價值外交的文章登在你們的刊物上我也很高興我們賴清的準中最近就說外來就是價值外交的路線那因為時間的緣故那我個人是非常肯定喔\n550874\t574709\t就是吳部長任內我們外交的成果讓我們的外交雖然兩岸關係緊張可是外交關係可以發展到最高峰我認為您就是功不可沒那真的陸力而為率領整個團隊那我也想藉著時間請問您對下一任部長如果有一件事是您的遺憾希望他努力的您會說是哪一件功成您還沒有做完希望他奮力去努力的部分呢\n575810\t595224\t我有跟他提到說目前在進行的這些項目我相信他也非常的了解就是說很多持續性的這些東西他應該是可以持續的來進行那因為外交很多都是機密的這些項目那在這邊就不方便跟委員來說說明這樣子\n596325\t619445\t了解,那我也非常肯定外交就是有為有守該守密的部分我們是說所有人不分立委公民都應該守密那該積極進取的部分不管是公共外交價值外交我覺得在吳部長任內這條路線是走出台灣的一條路那再次謝謝吳部長的辛勞那未來您在國安的議題上我們大家一起繼續加油,感謝會繼續努力,謝謝委員\n","txt":"范國威議員\n聽了早上徐巧欣委員質詢的議題我覺得有些風向被亂帶真的不是很好您今天一直有提到CHTI據我的了解第一個捷克是個民主國家我自己曾經因為開iPad會議我們到捷克知道我們部長對捷克用心跟成果非常的高而且他的民主國家內部就有一定的監督機制\n在另一方面,我剛剛有看到新聞,捷克的烏克蘭重建特使科佩尼奇尼有特別解釋了一下CHTI是他們\n捷克政府指定的有經驗有公信力的NPO所以我想不知道部長是不是能夠澄清一下其實外界的這些謠言比如說我們這個案子涉及多少台商與多少台商合作那目前採購的情況如何還有為什麼是這個CHTI這個組織這樣\n非常謝謝委員那也非常謝謝委員對我們外交部的這個期許那的確我們跟那個捷克之間的關係是非常的深厚尤其是我個人在台灣捷克的這個關係上面也下了很多的功夫\n我也很高興捷克政府尤其是參議院他也認可了我在台捷關係方面的這個貢獻所以他們頒給我一個勳章這個就是捷克參議長送給我勳章的這個勳表那我隨時帶著也跟我自己講說臺灣捷克的關係對我們來講是非常的重要我要隨時來捍衛來強化我們臺灣跟捷克的這個關係\nCHTI這個機構是一個non-profit organization很容易上網去看到這個non-profit organization他們自己的這個宗旨那他跟捷克的很多的政府部門是有非常深厚的這種合作的關係不管是外交部經濟部衛福部等等的\n那最主要原因就是說這個CHTI這個nonprofit organization他在很多的這些援助方面的這個執行的成果非常的這個著重因此當我們跟捷克的政府討論到就是說希望能夠透過雙邊的合作來協助烏克蘭人協助烏克蘭人的時候他們也非常的高興就是說這個機構就是the most reputable\n所以我們就跟捷克政府責定了這個機構來作為我們去援助烏克蘭的一個指定的機構\n我們也了解到就是說要對那個雙邊都需要有一個監督的這個機制也因此成立了一個雙邊政府所成立的一個監督的這個機制透過這個監督的機制來監督這個CHTI對外援助的這個成果那另外他們也必須要跟我們那個提交其中報告來說明他們所做的這些成果\n這個是最主要的回答委員剛剛所說的另外今天早上也有一些委員提到就是說為什麼烏克蘭提出的這些需求清單還有人提說要依據什麼我國政府採購法據我了解這個CHDI它本來就會依據捷克跟歐盟的採購法規嗎沒有錯\n關於烏克蘭為什麼不能請烏克蘭提出需求清單我想部長也可以說明一下至少我的了解烏克蘭臺灣中國這些其實俄國這關係是相當敏感的烏克蘭的國會議員都會表達那部長可以解釋一下嗎雖然說我們跟少數的那個烏克蘭\n執行委員．范雲\n﹚范雲\n如果說要用那個採購法的話這個絕對是not applicable因為他是捷克的一個單位那他們那邊要買絕對是需要符合當地的這個法規也要符合歐盟的非常高標準的這個相關的規範\n謝謝部長的說明我想捷克是個民主國家然後他必須遵守歐盟的相關的規範採購我想這個部分的公信力我是非常的相信而且烏克蘭的狀況以我透過iPad接觸過的烏克蘭的國會議員我知道他們對所謂的台中或者中台關係是非常謹慎的所以我非常支持就是部長的做法經由第三國而且捷克跟我們相當有信任關係了\n那個委員剛剛提到IPAC真的是要非常的感謝啦就是IPAC是一個非常重要的那個民主國家所成立的一個議會間的組織那在我們的努力之下7月下旬的時候這個IPAC就會來到我們台灣召開一個大會\n那這個對我們台灣來講就是一個非常重要的一個機會讓我們台灣能夠呈現給這個國際組織也讓國際組織能夠實際上到台灣來展現對台灣的支持所以要謝謝委員在這方面的努力哪裡我想這個外交部也一起努力我代表台灣就是因為我們的其他的就是只有時代力量跟民進黨有派代表那過去民眾黨跟國民黨一直不願意派代表不過他們現在好像有些突破所以IPAD這個部分\n那也謝謝大家一起的努力喔那我想因為iPad我們台灣能夠有他現在好像已經有就好像超過150個國會議員參與了那真的是非常重要的網絡那所以這部分真的是多方努力啦\n其實我今天也想跟部長談一下就是我從擔任無人所大使那就接受外交部的協助剛剛講的您跟吳釗委員講到婦女權益的部分我們就再透過就是我們的駐美的代表的部分那參與了CSW的一個平行NGO的論壇\n當時我也對臺灣的婦女參政做了一個報告那非常多我們友邦的大使到那另外就是國會外交的部分我們也去了英國、比利時、德國還有後來的捷克還有參加IPEC哥本哈根的Democracy Summit還有印度的瑞辛娜對話我非常的榮幸有機會代表我們臺灣參加那我真的非常肯定外交部第一線\n工作者的努力而且我認為部長任內指派的大使非常的奮力做各種外交從剛剛講的公共外交到就是說針對國會針對政府部門的真的非常的努力那我也觀察到一件事因為我常常需要對外就是發言\n所以我非常仔細看了部長您幾乎YouTube上所有接受國際媒體的訪問我都有認真聽那我想問部長您是不是我們所有的外交部長中接受最多國際媒體採訪的一位部長\n在這方面我覺得非常的自豪就是說當我們沒有新聞局之後那國家的發言人照說就應該要有外交部長來擔任那自從我接任外交部長之後有很多的國際媒體希望能夠聽到台灣的聲音每次有人要找我一定都接受一定來安排\n這個是我覺得我對台灣的這一個必要去做的一個任務讓全世界都能夠聽到我們台灣的聲音那到目前為止已經有328場那這個禮拜五這個禮拜五我工作的最後一天我還要接受另外一家媒體的這個訪問那我覺得說這個事情是不能停的\n因為我們台灣的聲音要被國際社會所聽聞那外交部長或者是說我們駐外的大使對外發言代表台灣來發言那這個是一個非常重要的工具好 謝謝喔因為我曾經受外交部邀請寫了一篇從利益外交到價值外交的文章登在你們的刊物上我也很高興我們賴清的準中最近就說外來就是價值外交的路線那因為時間的緣故那我個人是非常肯定喔\n就是吳部長任內我們外交的成果讓我們的外交雖然兩岸關係緊張可是外交關係可以發展到最高峰我認為您就是功不可沒那真的陸力而為率領整個團隊那我也想藉著時間請問您對下一任部長如果有一件事是您的遺憾希望他努力的您會說是哪一件功成您還沒有做完希望他奮力去努力的部分呢\n我有跟他提到說目前在進行的這些項目我相信他也非常的了解就是說很多持續性的這些東西他應該是可以持續的來進行那因為外交很多都是機密的這些項目那在這邊就不方便跟委員來說說明這樣子\n了解,那我也非常肯定外交就是有為有守該守密的部分我們是說所有人不分立委公民都應該守密那該積極進取的部分不管是公共外交價值外交我覺得在吳部長任內這條路線是走出台灣的一條路那再次謝謝吳部長的辛勞那未來您在國安的議題上我們大家一起繼續加油,感謝會繼續努力,謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.809 --> 00:01.029\n范國威議員\n\n00:25.137 --> 00:51.622\n聽了早上徐巧欣委員質詢的議題我覺得有些風向被亂帶真的不是很好您今天一直有提到CHTI據我的了解第一個捷克是個民主國家我自己曾經因為開iPad會議我們到捷克知道我們部長對捷克用心跟成果非常的高而且他的民主國家內部就有一定的監督機制\n\n00:52.122 --> 00:54.983\n在另一方面,我剛剛有看到新聞,捷克的烏克蘭重建特使科佩尼奇尼有特別解釋了一下CHTI是他們\n\n01:08.450 --> 01:26.183\n捷克政府指定的有經驗有公信力的NPO所以我想不知道部長是不是能夠澄清一下其實外界的這些謠言比如說我們這個案子涉及多少台商與多少台商合作那目前採購的情況如何還有為什麼是這個CHTI這個組織這樣\n\n01:29.992 --> 01:45.014\n非常謝謝委員那也非常謝謝委員對我們外交部的這個期許那的確我們跟那個捷克之間的關係是非常的深厚尤其是我個人在台灣捷克的這個關係上面也下了很多的功夫\n\n01:45.835 --> 02:08.742\n我也很高興捷克政府尤其是參議院他也認可了我在台捷關係方面的這個貢獻所以他們頒給我一個勳章這個就是捷克參議長送給我勳章的這個勳表那我隨時帶著也跟我自己講說臺灣捷克的關係對我們來講是非常的重要我要隨時來捍衛來強化我們臺灣跟捷克的這個關係\n\n02:12.544 --> 02:28.865\nCHTI這個機構是一個non-profitorganization很容易上網去看到這個non-profitorganization他們自己的這個宗旨那他跟捷克的很多的政府部門是有非常深厚的這種合作的關係不管是外交部經濟部衛福部等等的\n\n02:29.406 --> 02:54.600\n那最主要原因就是說這個CHTI這個nonprofitorganization他在很多的這些援助方面的這個執行的成果非常的這個著重因此當我們跟捷克的政府討論到就是說希望能夠透過雙邊的合作來協助烏克蘭人協助烏克蘭人的時候他們也非常的高興就是說這個機構就是themostreputable\n\n02:56.983 --> 03:04.352\n所以我們就跟捷克政府責定了這個機構來作為我們去援助烏克蘭的一個指定的機構\n\n03:06.616 --> 03:30.834\n我們也了解到就是說要對那個雙邊都需要有一個監督的這個機制也因此成立了一個雙邊政府所成立的一個監督的這個機制透過這個監督的機制來監督這個CHTI對外援助的這個成果那另外他們也必須要跟我們那個提交其中報告來說明他們所做的這些成果\n\n03:32.488 --> 03:52.294\n這個是最主要的回答委員剛剛所說的另外今天早上也有一些委員提到就是說為什麼烏克蘭提出的這些需求清單還有人提說要依據什麼我國政府採購法據我了解這個CHDI它本來就會依據捷克跟歐盟的採購法規嗎沒有錯\n\n03:55.376 --> 04:11.015\n關於烏克蘭為什麼不能請烏克蘭提出需求清單我想部長也可以說明一下至少我的了解烏克蘭臺灣中國這些其實俄國這關係是相當敏感的烏克蘭的國會議員都會表達那部長可以解釋一下嗎雖然說我們跟少數的那個烏克蘭\n\n04:11.596 --> 04:11.776\n執行委員．范雲\n\n04:33.131 --> 04:33.151\n﹚范雲\n\n05:02.162 --> 05:15.720\n如果說要用那個採購法的話這個絕對是notapplicable因為他是捷克的一個單位那他們那邊要買絕對是需要符合當地的這個法規也要符合歐盟的非常高標準的這個相關的規範\n\n05:17.497 --> 05:42.392\n謝謝部長的說明我想捷克是個民主國家然後他必須遵守歐盟的相關的規範採購我想這個部分的公信力我是非常的相信而且烏克蘭的狀況以我透過iPad接觸過的烏克蘭的國會議員我知道他們對所謂的台中或者中台關係是非常謹慎的所以我非常支持就是部長的做法經由第三國而且捷克跟我們相當有信任關係了\n\n05:43.433 --> 06:02.602\n那個委員剛剛提到IPAC真的是要非常的感謝啦就是IPAC是一個非常重要的那個民主國家所成立的一個議會間的組織那在我們的努力之下7月下旬的時候這個IPAC就會來到我們台灣召開一個大會\n\n06:03.542 --> 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謝謝喔因為我曾經受外交部邀請寫了一篇從利益外交到價值外交的文章登在你們的刊物上我也很高興我們賴清的準中最近就說外來就是價值外交的路線那因為時間的緣故那我個人是非常肯定喔"},{"start":550.874,"end":574.709,"text":"就是吳部長任內我們外交的成果讓我們的外交雖然兩岸關係緊張可是外交關係可以發展到最高峰我認為您就是功不可沒那真的陸力而為率領整個團隊那我也想藉著時間請問您對下一任部長如果有一件事是您的遺憾希望他努力的您會說是哪一件功成您還沒有做完希望他奮力去努力的部分呢"},{"start":575.81,"end":595.224,"text":"我有跟他提到說目前在進行的這些項目我相信他也非常的了解就是說很多持續性的這些東西他應該是可以持續的來進行那因為外交很多都是機密的這些項目那在這邊就不方便跟委員來說說明這樣子"},{"start":596.325,"end":619.445,"text":"了解,那我也非常肯定外交就是有為有守該守密的部分我們是說所有人不分立委公民都應該守密那該積極進取的部分不管是公共外交價值外交我覺得在吳部長任內這條路線是走出台灣的一條路那再次謝謝吳部長的辛勞那未來您在國安的議題上我們大家一起繼續加油,感謝會繼續努力,謝謝委員"}]}}}}