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00:00:35,666\n謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員部長您即將卸任了那我過去雖然只有地補一年但其實之前在很多議題上也跟部長有說有一些接觸那我想要在您卸任之前呢送一本我自己非常喜歡的繪本也呼應最近您在這個線上所有非常辛苦的議題這本書的書名就叫做人你有權力部長你覺得你看到這個書名你會想到什麼\n\n3\n00:00:36,306 --> 00:00:59,127\n我會想到我們台灣人在國際社會上面被剝奪的那些但是那個應該是我們的權利沒錯謝謝部長我們都沒有對過但是你完全抓到我的重點這本書它的樣貌是繪本它是寫給兒童跟青少年看的可是我們要知道所有人的權利這件事情不是只有兒童跟青少年必須要學習裡面有一段話我想念給部長聽等一下再把這個書送給部長是\n\n4\n00:01:05,837 --> 00:01:29,327\n這本書的內容是從世界人權宣言裡面結錄而來的但是呢它化為一張一張的插圖跟擷取裡面重要的片段跟兒童青少年溝通也就是說兒童跟青少年不只要知道有這些權利是公民社會運作的基礎基本上孩子們也要知道他們這些權利要被尊重所以我們付出然後但是我們要得到尊重其中有一段話是這麼寫的\n\n5\n00:01:31,089 --> 00:01:52,345\n每個人都有權利擁有自己的私事秘密隱私沒有正當理由沒有獲得允許不可以窺探別人的生活部長你聽完後有什麼感覺Privacy很重要那個機密的這些東西也很重要\n\n6\n00:01:52,785 --> 00:02:19,261\n在個人的生活是這樣對嗎部長你應該有小孩嗎有如果你的小孩把他的門關起來說他需要一點個人的時間那你沒有敲敲門進去之前你是不能隨便打開門進去的嗎我相信你一定是一個我相信你一定是一個開明的父親所以我們在個人的生活領域是這樣在個人的學習領域是這樣那部長您認為在公共事務的領域我們是不是也要遵守這個原則\n\n7\n00:02:20,322 --> 00:02:20,943\n部長你覺得我們怎麼跟國人交代?\n\n8\n00:02:35,935 --> 00:02:51,381\n我覺得這個也是非常的重要啦我今天已經形容過一次就是說好像那個街道上有紅綠燈那你如果覺得說這個紅綠燈你不想遵守你闖紅綠燈的話搞不好會造成一些交通的這個事故那就不好了\n\n9\n00:02:51,946 --> 00:03:13,386\n那甚至是造成那個交通的事故之後回頭過來說這個紅綠燈不應該設置那這樣子就是不好的為了要維繫我們國家的這個外交的這個利益或者是國家的安全戰略利益等等有些該列為機密的這些東西就應該被保守機密那我想這個是我們外交部的處理的一項的這個原則\n\n10\n00:03:14,807 --> 00:03:38,801\n那我們也知道說要對那個立法院這邊要負責也因此有一些項目我們就是分送給立法院但是也會提醒說這個事情是密在上面會蓋一個章是密那如果說需要我們這邊來做協助說明的那我們也會協助來做說明但是這一個規則已經有法律相關的規範在那邊那我們就應該依照法律相關的規範來進行\n\n11\n00:03:40,242 --> 00:04:05,283\n好,謝謝部長的說明你剛剛這段說明我絕對會單獨把它剪下來放在我們辦公室的影片上為什麼我要這麼說過往我在帶青少年讀書會或者是在跟青少年溝通所謂身為一個公民他必須要開始學習所謂社會溝通我們常常跟孩子們提到一個很重要的事情就是部長您剛剛說的紅綠燈孩子們都會問我為什麼要遵守框架為什麼要遵守法律\n\n12\n00:04:05,823 --> 00:04:25,374\n為什麼不能做所有我想做的事情我想做就是我想做這是我的個人自由但是在法國的哲學系統裡面告訴很多青少年在他們的兒童時期就開始告訴他們所謂的自由是必須在保障每個人的自由情況下在有框架底下每個人才得以自由\n\n13\n00:04:25,734 --> 00:04:27,916\n所以非常謝謝部長您剛那個深入淺出的說法因為確實我也跟我們家小孩討論到這件事情那我們接下來問下面一個問題來下一頁\n\n14\n00:04:56,469 --> 00:05:14,747\n臺灣遭中國惡意打壓．又沒有受邀參加WHA國台辦瞎扯說這是民進黨造成的我想部長你跟我不一樣你應該沒有入黨行政中立對不對我有入黨但是在進入到外交部門之後我跟同仁的約束就是說我會保護\n\n15\n00:05:15,247 --> 00:05:16,849\n國民黨總召傅昆齊到中國北京市政與政協主席見面\n\n16\n00:05:31,010 --> 00:05:52,176\n你覺得他有沒有跟人家談到WHA的事情或者是他有沒有談到跟任何外交、國防可能有異議的事情你有沒有在蒐集相關的訊息我沒有相關的這些資訊我個人真的非常好奇所以您在回應這個國台辦說台灣沒有辦法參加WHA是民進黨所造成的部長您說這是荒謬的言論你要不要多說一點\n\n17\n00:05:53,467 --> 00:06:14,285\n我想我們台灣沒有辦法參加世界衛生組織相關的這些向世界衛生大會的這個活動只有一個原因就是因為中國阻撓那尤其是中國透過扭曲聯合國大會第2758號決議案的方式來說明我們台灣屬於中國所以如果說要參與的話要透過中國\n\n18\n00:06:15,286 --> 00:06:40,900\n因為我們台灣不接受台灣是中國的一部分所以沒有辦法參加所以他的這種說法是無法被接受的尤其是他有時候還會對外面來說謊說他已經在照顧我們台灣人的健康福利的這些權利這個是剛好是相反的他透過打壓台灣參與世界衛生大會或者是世界衛生組織活動的這些作為\n\n19\n00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:42,060\n恐嚇、威脅、法律戰\n\n20\n00:07:05,693 --> 00:07:24,744\n這本書我一定會送給部長他說每個人都有權利安全的生活沒有人可以威脅恐嚇別人如果沒有正當理由不可以剝奪他人的自由部長你覺得他們現在有正當理由嗎\n\n21\n00:07:25,558 --> 00:07:42,051\n他們沒有正當理由就是政治就是政治他們就是不希望台灣能夠被國際社會所接納那委員剛剛念的那一段其實對我來講這個感觸非常的深就是2003年的時候我們台灣遭逢SARS\n\n22\n00:07:42,831 --> 00:07:55,916\n我們臺灣的衛福部向世界衛生組織去申請協助到最後一定要等到我們的和平醫院大爆發的時候世界衛生組織才會派4個專家到我們臺灣來但是這4個專家到我們臺灣來還奉世界衛生組織秘書處的要求\n\n23\n00:08:02,679 --> 00:08:32,102\n不能夠跟我們台灣的這個衛生官員有任何的見面接觸或者是討論那可是中國的這種大使外交官卻在國際社會上面去宣稱說他們在照顧台灣人民的這個安全那我對國際媒體當時對國際媒體的反應就是說It'sashamelesslie那到目前為止我的態度都是一致的中國沒有在照顧我們中國只有在阻撓我們那我再說一個例子讓大家那個回想一下\n\n24\n00:08:37,644 --> 00:08:52,310\n1998年的時候我們台灣也遭逢了那個長病毒的大流行那時候我小朋友非常的小那學校幼稚園很多都關起來了游泳池不開了那要出去的話那個小朋友是不適合帶出去的\n\n25\n00:08:52,850 --> 00:09:18,438\n那小朋友被隨時要教導說要一直要洗手一直要洗手那可是像我上班回家看到我小朋友還好好的時候我那時候就會非常的感動就是說我的小朋友是沒有受到影響的可是去想像有很多受到影響的這些小朋友就是因為世界衛生組織在中國的阻擾之下沒有接受我們台灣所提出的這個協助的要求\n\n26\n00:09:19,198 --> 00:09:19,218\n好\n\n27\n00:09:38,226 --> 00:09:38,286\n謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n289\t6559\t謝謝主席那有請部長謝謝請部長部長辛苦了我實在是不忍心再請您起來發言\n10038\t35666\t謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員部長您即將卸任了那我過去雖然只有地補一年但其實之前在很多議題上也跟部長有說有一些接觸那我想要在您卸任之前呢送一本我自己非常喜歡的繪本也呼應最近您在這個線上所有非常辛苦的議題這本書的書名就叫做人你有權力部長你覺得你看到這個書名你會想到什麼\n36306\t59127\t我會想到我們台灣人在國際社會上面被剝奪的那些但是那個應該是我們的權利沒錯謝謝部長我們都沒有對過但是你完全抓到我的重點這本書它的樣貌是繪本它是寫給兒童跟青少年看的可是我們要知道所有人的權利這件事情不是只有兒童跟青少年必須要學習裡面有一段話我想念給部長聽等一下再把這個書送給部長是\n65837\t89327\t這本書的內容是從世界人權宣言裡面結錄而來的但是呢它化為一張一張的插圖跟擷取裡面重要的片段跟兒童青少年溝通也就是說兒童跟青少年不只要知道有這些權利是公民社會運作的基礎基本上孩子們也要知道他們這些權利要被尊重所以我們付出然後但是我們要得到尊重其中有一段話是這麼寫的\n91089\t112345\t每個人都有權利擁有自己的私事秘密隱私沒有正當理由沒有獲得允許不可以窺探別人的生活部長你聽完後有什麼感覺Privacy很重要那個機密的這些東西也很重要\n112785\t139261\t在個人的生活是這樣對嗎部長你應該有小孩嗎有如果你的小孩把他的門關起來說他需要一點個人的時間那你沒有敲敲門進去之前你是不能隨便打開門進去的嗎我相信你一定是一個我相信你一定是一個開明的父親所以我們在個人的生活領域是這樣在個人的學習領域是這樣那部長您認為在公共事務的領域我們是不是也要遵守這個原則\n140322\t140943\t部長你覺得我們怎麼跟國人交代?\n155935\t171381\t我覺得這個也是非常的重要啦我今天已經形容過一次就是說好像那個街道上有紅綠燈那你如果覺得說這個紅綠燈你不想遵守你闖紅綠燈的話搞不好會造成一些交通的這個事故那就不好了\n171946\t193386\t那甚至是造成那個交通的事故之後回頭過來說這個紅綠燈不應該設置那這樣子就是不好的為了要維繫我們國家的這個外交的這個利益或者是國家的安全戰略利益等等有些該列為機密的這些東西就應該被保守機密那我想這個是我們外交部的處理的一項的這個原則\n194807\t218801\t那我們也知道說要對那個立法院這邊要負責也因此有一些項目我們就是分送給立法院但是也會提醒說這個事情是密在上面會蓋一個章是密那如果說需要我們這邊來做協助說明的那我們也會協助來做說明但是這一個規則已經有法律相關的規範在那邊那我們就應該依照法律相關的規範來進行\n220242\t245283\t好,謝謝部長的說明你剛剛這段說明我絕對會單獨把它剪下來放在我們辦公室的影片上為什麼我要這麼說過往我在帶青少年讀書會或者是在跟青少年溝通所謂身為一個公民他必須要開始學習所謂社會溝通我們常常跟孩子們提到一個很重要的事情就是部長您剛剛說的紅綠燈孩子們都會問我為什麼要遵守框架為什麼要遵守法律\n245823\t265374\t為什麼不能做所有我想做的事情我想做就是我想做這是我的個人自由但是在法國的哲學系統裡面告訴很多青少年在他們的兒童時期就開始告訴他們所謂的自由是必須在保障每個人的自由情況下在有框架底下每個人才得以自由\n265734\t267916\t所以非常謝謝部長您剛那個深入淺出的說法因為確實我也跟我們家小孩討論到這件事情那我們接下來問下面一個問題來下一頁\n296469\t314747\t臺灣遭中國惡意打壓．又沒有受邀參加WHA國台辦瞎扯說這是民進黨造成的我想部長你跟我不一樣你應該沒有入黨行政中立對不對我有入黨但是在進入到外交部門之後我跟同仁的約束就是說我會保護\n315247\t316849\t國民黨總召傅昆齊到中國北京市政與政協主席見面\n331010\t352176\t你覺得他有沒有跟人家談到WHA的事情或者是他有沒有談到跟任何外交、國防可能有異議的事情你有沒有在蒐集相關的訊息我沒有相關的這些資訊我個人真的非常好奇所以您在回應這個國台辦說台灣沒有辦法參加WHA是民進黨所造成的部長您說這是荒謬的言論你要不要多說一點\n353467\t374285\t我想我們台灣沒有辦法參加世界衛生組織相關的這些向世界衛生大會的這個活動只有一個原因就是因為中國阻撓那尤其是中國透過扭曲聯合國大會第2758號決議案的方式來說明我們台灣屬於中國所以如果說要參與的話要透過中國\n375286\t400900\t因為我們台灣不接受台灣是中國的一部分所以沒有辦法參加所以他的這種說法是無法被接受的尤其是他有時候還會對外面來說謊說他已經在照顧我們台灣人的健康福利的這些權利這個是剛好是相反的他透過打壓台灣參與世界衛生大會或者是世界衛生組織活動的這些作為\n401860\t402060\t恐嚇、威脅、法律戰\n425693\t444744\t這本書我一定會送給部長他說每個人都有權利安全的生活沒有人可以威脅恐嚇別人如果沒有正當理由不可以剝奪他人的自由部長你覺得他們現在有正當理由嗎\n445558\t462051\t他們沒有正當理由就是政治就是政治他們就是不希望台灣能夠被國際社會所接納那委員剛剛念的那一段其實對我來講這個感觸非常的深就是2003年的時候我們台灣遭逢SARS\n462831\t475916\t我們臺灣的衛福部向世界衛生組織去申請協助到最後一定要等到我們的和平醫院大爆發的時候世界衛生組織才會派4個專家到我們臺灣來但是這4個專家到我們臺灣來還奉世界衛生組織秘書處的要求\n482679\t512102\t不能夠跟我們台灣的這個衛生官員有任何的見面接觸或者是討論那可是中國的這種大使外交官卻在國際社會上面去宣稱說他們在照顧台灣人民的這個安全那我對國際媒體當時對國際媒體的反應就是說It's a shameless lie那到目前為止我的態度都是一致的中國沒有在照顧我們中國只有在阻撓我們那我再說一個例子讓大家那個回想一下\n517644\t532310\t1998年的時候我們台灣也遭逢了那個長病毒的大流行那時候我小朋友非常的小那學校幼稚園很多都關起來了游泳池不開了那要出去的話那個小朋友是不適合帶出去的\n532850\t558438\t那小朋友被隨時要教導說要一直要洗手一直要洗手那可是像我上班回家看到我小朋友還好好的時候我那時候就會非常的感動就是說我的小朋友是沒有受到影響的可是去想像有很多受到影響的這些小朋友就是因為世界衛生組織在中國的阻擾之下沒有接受我們台灣所提出的這個協助的要求\n559198\t559218\t好\n578226\t578286\t謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席那有請部長謝謝請部長部長辛苦了我實在是不忍心再請您起來發言\n謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員部長您即將卸任了那我過去雖然只有地補一年但其實之前在很多議題上也跟部長有說有一些接觸那我想要在您卸任之前呢送一本我自己非常喜歡的繪本也呼應最近您在這個線上所有非常辛苦的議題這本書的書名就叫做人你有權力部長你覺得你看到這個書名你會想到什麼\n我會想到我們台灣人在國際社會上面被剝奪的那些但是那個應該是我們的權利沒錯謝謝部長我們都沒有對過但是你完全抓到我的重點這本書它的樣貌是繪本它是寫給兒童跟青少年看的可是我們要知道所有人的權利這件事情不是只有兒童跟青少年必須要學習裡面有一段話我想念給部長聽等一下再把這個書送給部長是\n這本書的內容是從世界人權宣言裡面結錄而來的但是呢它化為一張一張的插圖跟擷取裡面重要的片段跟兒童青少年溝通也就是說兒童跟青少年不只要知道有這些權利是公民社會運作的基礎基本上孩子們也要知道他們這些權利要被尊重所以我們付出然後但是我們要得到尊重其中有一段話是這麼寫的\n每個人都有權利擁有自己的私事秘密隱私沒有正當理由沒有獲得允許不可以窺探別人的生活部長你聽完後有什麼感覺Privacy很重要那個機密的這些東西也很重要\n在個人的生活是這樣對嗎部長你應該有小孩嗎有如果你的小孩把他的門關起來說他需要一點個人的時間那你沒有敲敲門進去之前你是不能隨便打開門進去的嗎我相信你一定是一個我相信你一定是一個開明的父親所以我們在個人的生活領域是這樣在個人的學習領域是這樣那部長您認為在公共事務的領域我們是不是也要遵守這個原則\n部長你覺得我們怎麼跟國人交代?\n我覺得這個也是非常的重要啦我今天已經形容過一次就是說好像那個街道上有紅綠燈那你如果覺得說這個紅綠燈你不想遵守你闖紅綠燈的話搞不好會造成一些交通的這個事故那就不好了\n那甚至是造成那個交通的事故之後回頭過來說這個紅綠燈不應該設置那這樣子就是不好的為了要維繫我們國家的這個外交的這個利益或者是國家的安全戰略利益等等有些該列為機密的這些東西就應該被保守機密那我想這個是我們外交部的處理的一項的這個原則\n那我們也知道說要對那個立法院這邊要負責也因此有一些項目我們就是分送給立法院但是也會提醒說這個事情是密在上面會蓋一個章是密那如果說需要我們這邊來做協助說明的那我們也會協助來做說明但是這一個規則已經有法律相關的規範在那邊那我們就應該依照法律相關的規範來進行\n好,謝謝部長的說明你剛剛這段說明我絕對會單獨把它剪下來放在我們辦公室的影片上為什麼我要這麼說過往我在帶青少年讀書會或者是在跟青少年溝通所謂身為一個公民他必須要開始學習所謂社會溝通我們常常跟孩子們提到一個很重要的事情就是部長您剛剛說的紅綠燈孩子們都會問我為什麼要遵守框架為什麼要遵守法律\n為什麼不能做所有我想做的事情我想做就是我想做這是我的個人自由但是在法國的哲學系統裡面告訴很多青少年在他們的兒童時期就開始告訴他們所謂的自由是必須在保障每個人的自由情況下在有框架底下每個人才得以自由\n所以非常謝謝部長您剛那個深入淺出的說法因為確實我也跟我們家小孩討論到這件事情那我們接下來問下面一個問題來下一頁\n臺灣遭中國惡意打壓．又沒有受邀參加WHA國台辦瞎扯說這是民進黨造成的我想部長你跟我不一樣你應該沒有入黨行政中立對不對我有入黨但是在進入到外交部門之後我跟同仁的約束就是說我會保護\n國民黨總召傅昆齊到中國北京市政與政協主席見面\n你覺得他有沒有跟人家談到WHA的事情或者是他有沒有談到跟任何外交、國防可能有異議的事情你有沒有在蒐集相關的訊息我沒有相關的這些資訊我個人真的非常好奇所以您在回應這個國台辦說台灣沒有辦法參加WHA是民進黨所造成的部長您說這是荒謬的言論你要不要多說一點\n我想我們台灣沒有辦法參加世界衛生組織相關的這些向世界衛生大會的這個活動只有一個原因就是因為中國阻撓那尤其是中國透過扭曲聯合國大會第2758號決議案的方式來說明我們台灣屬於中國所以如果說要參與的話要透過中國\n因為我們台灣不接受台灣是中國的一部分所以沒有辦法參加所以他的這種說法是無法被接受的尤其是他有時候還會對外面來說謊說他已經在照顧我們台灣人的健康福利的這些權利這個是剛好是相反的他透過打壓台灣參與世界衛生大會或者是世界衛生組織活動的這些作為\n恐嚇、威脅、法律戰\n這本書我一定會送給部長他說每個人都有權利安全的生活沒有人可以威脅恐嚇別人如果沒有正當理由不可以剝奪他人的自由部長你覺得他們現在有正當理由嗎\n他們沒有正當理由就是政治就是政治他們就是不希望台灣能夠被國際社會所接納那委員剛剛念的那一段其實對我來講這個感觸非常的深就是2003年的時候我們台灣遭逢SARS\n我們臺灣的衛福部向世界衛生組織去申請協助到最後一定要等到我們的和平醫院大爆發的時候世界衛生組織才會派4個專家到我們臺灣來但是這4個專家到我們臺灣來還奉世界衛生組織秘書處的要求\n不能夠跟我們台灣的這個衛生官員有任何的見面接觸或者是討論那可是中國的這種大使外交官卻在國際社會上面去宣稱說他們在照顧台灣人民的這個安全那我對國際媒體當時對國際媒體的反應就是說It's a shameless lie那到目前為止我的態度都是一致的中國沒有在照顧我們中國只有在阻撓我們那我再說一個例子讓大家那個回想一下\n1998年的時候我們台灣也遭逢了那個長病毒的大流行那時候我小朋友非常的小那學校幼稚園很多都關起來了游泳池不開了那要出去的話那個小朋友是不適合帶出去的\n那小朋友被隨時要教導說要一直要洗手一直要洗手那可是像我上班回家看到我小朋友還好好的時候我那時候就會非常的感動就是說我的小朋友是沒有受到影響的可是去想像有很多受到影響的這些小朋友就是因為世界衛生組織在中國的阻擾之下沒有接受我們台灣所提出的這個協助的要求\n好\n謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.289 --> 00:06.559\n謝謝主席那有請部長謝謝請部長部長辛苦了我實在是不忍心再請您起來發言\n\n00:10.038 --> 00:35.666\n謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員部長您即將卸任了那我過去雖然只有地補一年但其實之前在很多議題上也跟部長有說有一些接觸那我想要在您卸任之前呢送一本我自己非常喜歡的繪本也呼應最近您在這個線上所有非常辛苦的議題這本書的書名就叫做人你有權力部長你覺得你看到這個書名你會想到什麼\n\n00:36.306 --> 00:59.127\n我會想到我們台灣人在國際社會上面被剝奪的那些但是那個應該是我們的權利沒錯謝謝部長我們都沒有對過但是你完全抓到我的重點這本書它的樣貌是繪本它是寫給兒童跟青少年看的可是我們要知道所有人的權利這件事情不是只有兒童跟青少年必須要學習裡面有一段話我想念給部長聽等一下再把這個書送給部長是\n\n01:05.837 --> 01:29.327\n這本書的內容是從世界人權宣言裡面結錄而來的但是呢它化為一張一張的插圖跟擷取裡面重要的片段跟兒童青少年溝通也就是說兒童跟青少年不只要知道有這些權利是公民社會運作的基礎基本上孩子們也要知道他們這些權利要被尊重所以我們付出然後但是我們要得到尊重其中有一段話是這麼寫的\n\n01:31.089 --> 01:52.345\n每個人都有權利擁有自己的私事秘密隱私沒有正當理由沒有獲得允許不可以窺探別人的生活部長你聽完後有什麼感覺Privacy很重要那個機密的這些東西也很重要\n\n01:52.785 --> 02:19.261\n在個人的生活是這樣對嗎部長你應該有小孩嗎有如果你的小孩把他的門關起來說他需要一點個人的時間那你沒有敲敲門進去之前你是不能隨便打開門進去的嗎我相信你一定是一個我相信你一定是一個開明的父親所以我們在個人的生活領域是這樣在個人的學習領域是這樣那部長您認為在公共事務的領域我們是不是也要遵守這個原則\n\n02:20.322 --> 02:20.943\n部長你覺得我們怎麼跟國人交代?\n\n02:35.935 --> 02:51.381\n我覺得這個也是非常的重要啦我今天已經形容過一次就是說好像那個街道上有紅綠燈那你如果覺得說這個紅綠燈你不想遵守你闖紅綠燈的話搞不好會造成一些交通的這個事故那就不好了\n\n02:51.946 --> 03:13.386\n那甚至是造成那個交通的事故之後回頭過來說這個紅綠燈不應該設置那這樣子就是不好的為了要維繫我們國家的這個外交的這個利益或者是國家的安全戰略利益等等有些該列為機密的這些東西就應該被保守機密那我想這個是我們外交部的處理的一項的這個原則\n\n03:14.807 --> 03:38.801\n那我們也知道說要對那個立法院這邊要負責也因此有一些項目我們就是分送給立法院但是也會提醒說這個事情是密在上面會蓋一個章是密那如果說需要我們這邊來做協助說明的那我們也會協助來做說明但是這一個規則已經有法律相關的規範在那邊那我們就應該依照法律相關的規範來進行\n\n03:40.242 --> 04:05.283\n好,謝謝部長的說明你剛剛這段說明我絕對會單獨把它剪下來放在我們辦公室的影片上為什麼我要這麼說過往我在帶青少年讀書會或者是在跟青少年溝通所謂身為一個公民他必須要開始學習所謂社會溝通我們常常跟孩子們提到一個很重要的事情就是部長您剛剛說的紅綠燈孩子們都會問我為什麼要遵守框架為什麼要遵守法律\n\n04:05.823 --> 04:25.374\n為什麼不能做所有我想做的事情我想做就是我想做這是我的個人自由但是在法國的哲學系統裡面告訴很多青少年在他們的兒童時期就開始告訴他們所謂的自由是必須在保障每個人的自由情況下在有框架底下每個人才得以自由\n\n04:25.734 --> 04:27.916\n所以非常謝謝部長您剛那個深入淺出的說法因為確實我也跟我們家小孩討論到這件事情那我們接下來問下面一個問題來下一頁\n\n04:56.469 --> 05:14.747\n臺灣遭中國惡意打壓．又沒有受邀參加WHA國台辦瞎扯說這是民進黨造成的我想部長你跟我不一樣你應該沒有入黨行政中立對不對我有入黨但是在進入到外交部門之後我跟同仁的約束就是說我會保護\n\n05:15.247 --> 05:16.849\n國民黨總召傅昆齊到中國北京市政與政協主席見面\n\n05:31.010 --> 05:52.176\n你覺得他有沒有跟人家談到WHA的事情或者是他有沒有談到跟任何外交、國防可能有異議的事情你有沒有在蒐集相關的訊息我沒有相關的這些資訊我個人真的非常好奇所以您在回應這個國台辦說台灣沒有辦法參加WHA是民進黨所造成的部長您說這是荒謬的言論你要不要多說一點\n\n05:53.467 --> 06:14.285\n我想我們台灣沒有辦法參加世界衛生組織相關的這些向世界衛生大會的這個活動只有一個原因就是因為中國阻撓那尤其是中國透過扭曲聯合國大會第2758號決議案的方式來說明我們台灣屬於中國所以如果說要參與的話要透過中國\n\n06:15.286 --> 06:40.900\n因為我們台灣不接受台灣是中國的一部分所以沒有辦法參加所以他的這種說法是無法被接受的尤其是他有時候還會對外面來說謊說他已經在照顧我們台灣人的健康福利的這些權利這個是剛好是相反的他透過打壓台灣參與世界衛生大會或者是世界衛生組織活動的這些作為\n\n06:41.860 --> 06:42.060\n恐嚇、威脅、法律戰\n\n07:05.693 --> 07:24.744\n這本書我一定會送給部長他說每個人都有權利安全的生活沒有人可以威脅恐嚇別人如果沒有正當理由不可以剝奪他人的自由部長你覺得他們現在有正當理由嗎\n\n07:25.558 --> 07:42.051\n他們沒有正當理由就是政治就是政治他們就是不希望台灣能夠被國際社會所接納那委員剛剛念的那一段其實對我來講這個感觸非常的深就是2003年的時候我們台灣遭逢SARS\n\n07:42.831 --> 07:55.916\n我們臺灣的衛福部向世界衛生組織去申請協助到最後一定要等到我們的和平醫院大爆發的時候世界衛生組織才會派4個專家到我們臺灣來但是這4個專家到我們臺灣來還奉世界衛生組織秘書處的要求\n\n08:02.679 --> 08:32.102\n不能夠跟我們台灣的這個衛生官員有任何的見面接觸或者是討論那可是中國的這種大使外交官卻在國際社會上面去宣稱說他們在照顧台灣人民的這個安全那我對國際媒體當時對國際媒體的反應就是說It'sashamelesslie那到目前為止我的態度都是一致的中國沒有在照顧我們中國只有在阻撓我們那我再說一個例子讓大家那個回想一下\n\n08:37.644 --> 08:52.310\n1998年的時候我們台灣也遭逢了那個長病毒的大流行那時候我小朋友非常的小那學校幼稚園很多都關起來了游泳池不開了那要出去的話那個小朋友是不適合帶出去的\n\n08:52.850 --> 09:18.438\n那小朋友被隨時要教導說要一直要洗手一直要洗手那可是像我上班回家看到我小朋友還好好的時候我那時候就會非常的感動就是說我的小朋友是沒有受到影響的可是去想像有很多受到影響的這些小朋友就是因為世界衛生組織在中國的阻擾之下沒有接受我們台灣所提出的這個協助的要求\n\n09:19.198 --> 09:19.218\n好\n\n09:38.226 --> 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