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00:02:35,747\n部長就以金融營業稅來看去年10月份媒體報導這個金融營業稅調降時這個開放的態度那會參考金管會建議降到百分之二的意見來進行評估但是一直到最近財政部還是認為除了參考金管會的意見外還要看國內\n\n7\n00:02:37,228 --> 00:03:03,826\n整個金融產業發展的情形那國際金融市場風險與挑戰整個政府整體政策以及財政狀況等來做審慎的評估那我請問次長因為你們那個部長也是這個軍管會的委員之一以往整個金融營業稅調降的議題是不是軍管會\n\n8\n00:03:05,968 --> 00:03:12,076\n這個委員會議中有經過很多次的討論那次長你認為是不是\n\n9\n00:03:13,850 --> 00:03:36,963\n這個多半是反對的意見還是保留意見?您的看法呢?跟委員報告金管會委員會議部長是當然是委員之一但是據我了解在這個委員會當中很少針對這一方面這兩個就是比如說金融營業稅降稅的問題或者是當中降稅的問題這兩個問題沒有在那個委員會討論好那我請問這個\n\n10\n00:03:44,483 --> 00:04:06,361\n當沖降稅修法二度延長後今年12月31日到期那券商工會爭取就是要常態化但是金管會認為說常態化不太可能啦因此這個黃主委黃天牧表示會向財政部建議再展延五年那當沖降稅從105年開始實施到現在\n\n11\n00:04:11,107 --> 00:04:18,441\n請問次長持續實施或取消實施你認為對股市投資人到底有什麼好處跟壞處?\n\n12\n00:04:20,060 --> 00:04:23,422\n對,所以這個案子我們會在近期內應該會做決策啦因為在年底就到期了嘛\n\n13\n00:04:48,781 --> 00:05:16,386\n對啊那你認為在什麼的條件下這個可以取消當沖降稅對股市投資人衝擊相對小那如果沒有的話那為什麼要降稅有必要一言再言當然過去有它的歷史因素因為過去的股市的成交量都比較小嘛因為你既然一言再言那不如讓它常態化反過來說如果要考慮取消為何這個\n\n14\n00:05:18,986 --> 00:05:41,614\n這個還是遲遲的不敢取消對,因為最主要是兩個問題啦我剛才就講說能不能常態化的問題那當然就是我們這個可能就違反到這個納稅保護法的問題因為你一言再言嘛而且你也不敢就說那不然以後就常態化你也不敢然後這個\n\n15\n00:05:43,134 --> 00:05:43,434\n﹚林德福\n\n16\n00:05:59,321 --> 00:05:59,341\n市長﹖\n\n17\n00:06:16,881 --> 00:06:31,710\n我再問另外一個議題四月下旬台積電法收會後股市重挫讓外界擔心經濟成長率是我會下修當時你們部長說基本上對未來不用那麼悲觀\n\n18\n00:06:34,833 --> 00:06:56,193\n現在經過20多天台股大盤檢驗後也算是證實了你們部長的看法但是台股重挫後緩談將近差不多2000點是不是能夠完全代表景氣全面復甦本席認為依照近年這些年的經驗似乎股市是經濟的組裝的象徵多半\n\n19\n00:06:58,174 --> 00:06:59,755\n您的看法呢?\n\n20\n00:07:21,481 --> 00:07:37,871\n我跟委員報告股市它受到的因素影響的因素有很多包括像國內的景氣或者是投資信心或者是國際資金的移動或者是政經情勢的因素也受到最近ETF的這些這個\n\n21\n00:07:39,292 --> 00:07:39,532\n﹚林德福\n\n22\n00:07:58,423 --> 00:08:17,649\n所以基本上是脫鉤的但是如果是我們的經濟如果是轉好如果像我們今年經濟目前的根據主計總署的預估是會達到3.43的話那麼這個是當然對我們基本面是有幫助的對股市的健康的成長應該也會有幫助\n\n23\n00:08:20,850 --> 00:08:44,289\n市長,為了搶救中產階級,準總統賴清德喊出擴大社會投資並以北歐丹麥作為取經的一個對象,號稱要建立權營社會的一個新支持的體系。我請問市長,如果台灣要接軌北歐,取經北歐的整個社會投資,\n\n24\n00:08:45,748 --> 00:08:59,779\n那你認為臺灣的整個租稅政策租稅負擔率到底有沒有調整的可能?跟我一報告北歐大家都知道他是高稅率高福利的國家那每一個國家的國境都不一樣我們目前的租稅負擔率到去年是達到14.7\n\n25\n00:09:10,407 --> 00:09:27,950\n那以過去這幾年來看大概百分之十二到十四之間去年因為稅收特別好所以會拉三到十四百分之十四點七那我想就是說這個有時候就是租稅負擔率跟我們的財政的穩健其實可以分開來講\n\n26\n00:09:29,111 --> 00:09:50,228\n對啊所以說沒有辦法跟上北歐嘛齁沒有辦法跟上北歐因為他們高社利高福利阿對我覺得這個是不同的制度對所以說像這個如果要是沒有那麼就是政策的畫大餅嘛你等於是騙全民嘛對不對不可能的事啊對不對\n\n27\n00:09:52,699 --> 00:10:09,538\n我是覺得每個國家的國境都不一樣啦我是覺得我們有我們的做法我剛才講說雖然我們的租稅負擔力雖然只有14.7只有比新加坡要高但是我們的財政狀況其實還是往好的方向走\n\n28\n00:10:10,899 --> 00:10:20,569\n因為本席以為台灣整個貧富差距極端化稅制改革沒有辦法有效到位應該要具備相當比例的責任承擔\n\n29\n00:10:23,188 --> 00:10:39,329\n只是要絕對公平還是要相對公平又或者是客觀公平似乎很不容易做到那個次長稅制改革如果不有效朝公平的方向來推動那我請問大多數老百姓\n\n30\n00:10:40,370 --> 00:10:55,158\n是不是都要持續在生活每天窮忙而且每個月收支入不敷出啊那每年等待政府的補貼一輩子這樣吃不飽餓不死這種生活的環境您的看法呢?\n\n31\n00:10:55,858 --> 00:11:16,888\n我是覺得像這個問題我覺得因為目前的經濟發展就是朝高科技化或者是資本化或者是這個數位經濟的方向走所以在所得的分配一定會不公平對啊因為落差很大全球都是有這種狀況所以我們的做法很簡單第一個就是對高所得者課高的這個稅\n\n32\n00:11:24,872 --> 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那我請問這個\n當沖降稅修法二度延長後今年12月31日到期那券商工會爭取就是要常態化但是金管會認為說常態化不太可能啦因此這個黃主委黃天牧表示會向財政部建議再展延五年那當沖降稅從105年開始實施到現在\n請問次長持續實施或取消實施你認為對股市投資人到底有什麼好處跟壞處?\n對,所以這個案子我們會在近期內應該會做決策啦因為在年底就到期了嘛\n對啊 那你認為在什麼的條件下這個可以取消當沖降稅對股市投資人衝擊相對小那如果沒有的話那為什麼要降稅有必要一言再言當然過去有它的歷史因素因為過去的股市的成交量都比較小嘛因為你既然一言再言那不如讓它常態化反過來說如果要考慮取消為何這個\n這個還是遲遲的不敢取消對,因為最主要是兩個問題啦我剛才就講說能不能常態化的問題那當然就是我們這個可能就違反到這個納稅保護法的問題因為你一言再言嘛而且你也不敢就說那不然以後就常態化你也不敢然後這個\n﹚林德福\n市長﹖\n我再問另外一個議題四月下旬台積電法收會後股市重挫讓外界擔心經濟成長率是我會下修當時你們部長說基本上對未來不用那麼悲觀\n現在經過20多天台股大盤檢驗後也算是證實了你們部長的看法但是台股重挫後緩談將近差不多2000點是不是能夠完全代表景氣全面復甦本席認為依照近年這些年的經驗似乎股市是經濟的組裝的象徵多半\n您的看法呢?\n我跟委員報告股市它受到的因素影響的因素有很多包括像國內的景氣或者是投資信心或者是國際資金的移動或者是政經情勢的因素也受到最近ETF的這些這個\n﹚林德福\n所以基本上是脫鉤的但是如果是我們的經濟如果是轉好如果像我們今年經濟目前的根據主計總署的預估是會達到3.43的話那麼這個是當然對我們基本面是有幫助的對股市的健康的成長應該也會有幫助\n市長,為了搶救中產階級,準總統賴清德喊出擴大社會投資並以北歐丹麥作為取經的一個對象,號稱要建立權營社會的一個新支持的體系。我請問市長,如果台灣要接軌北歐,取經北歐的整個社會投資,\n那你認為臺灣的整個租稅政策租稅負擔率到底有沒有調整的可能?跟我一報告北歐大家都知道他是高稅率高福利的國家那每一個國家的國境都不一樣我們目前的租稅負擔率到去年是達到14.7\n那以過去這幾年來看大概百分之十二到十四之間去年因為稅收特別好所以會拉三到十四百分之十四點七那我想就是說這個有時候就是租稅負擔率跟我們的財政的穩健其實可以分開來講\n對啊所以說沒有辦法跟上北歐嘛齁沒有辦法跟上北歐因為他們高社利 高福利阿對 我覺得這個是不同的制度對 所以說像這個如果要是沒有 那麼就是政策的畫大餅嘛你等於是騙全民嘛 對不對 不可能的事啊 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那我請問這個"},{"start":224.483,"end":246.361,"text":"當沖降稅修法二度延長後今年12月31日到期那券商工會爭取就是要常態化但是金管會認為說常態化不太可能啦因此這個黃主委黃天牧表示會向財政部建議再展延五年那當沖降稅從105年開始實施到現在"},{"start":251.107,"end":258.441,"text":"請問次長持續實施或取消實施你認為對股市投資人到底有什麼好處跟壞處?"},{"start":260.06,"end":263.422,"text":"對,所以這個案子我們會在近期內應該會做決策啦因為在年底就到期了嘛"},{"start":288.781,"end":316.386,"text":"對啊 那你認為在什麼的條件下這個可以取消當沖降稅對股市投資人衝擊相對小那如果沒有的話那為什麼要降稅有必要一言再言當然過去有它的歷史因素因為過去的股市的成交量都比較小嘛因為你既然一言再言那不如讓它常態化反過來說如果要考慮取消為何這個"},{"start":318.986,"end":341.614,"text":"這個還是遲遲的不敢取消對,因為最主要是兩個問題啦我剛才就講說能不能常態化的問題那當然就是我們這個可能就違反到這個納稅保護法的問題因為你一言再言嘛而且你也不敢就說那不然以後就常態化你也不敢然後這個"},{"start":343.134,"end":343.434,"text":"﹚林德福"},{"start":359.321,"end":359.341,"text":"市長﹖"},{"start":376.881,"end":391.71,"text":"我再問另外一個議題四月下旬台積電法收會後股市重挫讓外界擔心經濟成長率是我會下修當時你們部長說基本上對未來不用那麼悲觀"},{"start":394.833,"end":416.193,"text":"現在經過20多天台股大盤檢驗後也算是證實了你們部長的看法但是台股重挫後緩談將近差不多2000點是不是能夠完全代表景氣全面復甦本席認為依照近年這些年的經驗似乎股市是經濟的組裝的象徵多半"},{"start":418.174,"end":419.755,"text":"您的看法呢?"},{"start":441.481,"end":457.871,"text":"我跟委員報告股市它受到的因素影響的因素有很多包括像國內的景氣或者是投資信心或者是國際資金的移動或者是政經情勢的因素也受到最近ETF的這些這個"},{"start":459.292,"end":459.532,"text":"﹚林德福"},{"start":478.423,"end":497.649,"text":"所以基本上是脫鉤的但是如果是我們的經濟如果是轉好如果像我們今年經濟目前的根據主計總署的預估是會達到3.43的話那麼這個是當然對我們基本面是有幫助的對股市的健康的成長應該也會有幫助"},{"start":500.85,"end":524.289,"text":"市長,為了搶救中產階級,準總統賴清德喊出擴大社會投資並以北歐丹麥作為取經的一個對象,號稱要建立權營社會的一個新支持的體系。我請問市長,如果台灣要接軌北歐,取經北歐的整個社會投資,"},{"start":525.748,"end":539.779,"text":"那你認為臺灣的整個租稅政策租稅負擔率到底有沒有調整的可能?跟我一報告北歐大家都知道他是高稅率高福利的國家那每一個國家的國境都不一樣我們目前的租稅負擔率到去年是達到14.7"},{"start":550.407,"end":567.95,"text":"那以過去這幾年來看大概百分之十二到十四之間去年因為稅收特別好所以會拉三到十四百分之十四點七那我想就是說這個有時候就是租稅負擔率跟我們的財政的穩健其實可以分開來講"},{"start":569.111,"end":590.228,"text":"對啊所以說沒有辦法跟上北歐嘛齁沒有辦法跟上北歐因為他們高社利 高福利阿對 我覺得這個是不同的制度對 所以說像這個如果要是沒有 那麼就是政策的畫大餅嘛你等於是騙全民嘛 對不對 不可能的事啊 對不對"},{"start":592.699,"end":609.538,"text":"我是覺得每個國家的國境都不一樣啦我是覺得我們有我們的做法我剛才講說雖然我們的租稅負擔力雖然只有14.7只有比新加坡要高但是我們的財政狀況其實還是往好的方向走"},{"start":610.899,"end":620.569,"text":"因為本席以為台灣整個貧富差距極端化稅制改革沒有辦法有效到位應該要具備相當比例的責任承擔"},{"start":623.188,"end":639.329,"text":"只是要絕對公平還是要相對公平又或者是客觀公平似乎很不容易做到那個次長稅制改革如果不有效朝公平的方向來推動那我請問大多數老百姓"},{"start":640.37,"end":655.158,"text":"是不是都要持續在生活每天窮忙而且每個月收支入不敷出啊那每年等待政府的補貼一輩子這樣吃不飽餓不死這種生活的環境您的看法呢?"},{"start":655.858,"end":676.888,"text":"我是覺得像這個問題我覺得因為目前的經濟發展就是朝高科技化或者是資本化或者是這個數位經濟的方向走所以在所得的分配一定會不公平對啊因為落差很大全球都是有這種狀況所以我們的做法很簡單第一個就是對高所得者課高的這個稅"},{"start":684.872,"end":685.212,"text":"好,謝謝,請大家下次再問,謝謝"}]}}}}