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00:02:42,819\n但你知道嗎就是國發會未來他們也期待就是說因為要提高我們的生成式的AI的產業發展嘛對不對那未來就是AI的產業的生成式的AI的發展會不會用到電那用到電是不是會要求他用綠電那如果他要求綠電的時候對國內的\n\n8\n00:02:44,780 --> 00:02:48,224\n案﹚立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第13條條文修正草案案﹚立法院第12會期經濟委員會第13條條文修正草案\n\n9\n00:03:00,097 --> 00:03:00,117\n案。\n\n10\n00:03:15,967 --> 00:03:35,193\n將來各個產業都會應用到AI的技術去提升它整個的產業發展模式跟它的整個的生產力。所以呢其實AI對台灣用電的影響的這一塊呢其實我覺得可能必須要考慮的就是我們在那個應該就是在\n\n11\n00:03:37,634 --> 00:03:40,297\n案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案\n\n12\n00:03:59,076 --> 00:04:00,879\n案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具\n\n13\n00:04:14,618 --> 00:04:38,019\n我剛剛提到部分說是113年我們將近413億度的這個綠電那未來我們在這個太陽光電跟離岸風電事實上每年都有很明確的這個發展的一個這個目標比如說我們這個離岸風力的一個發展每年都會將近1.5個GW的一個這樣的量設置進去我想這個部分會來滿足我們現在優先需要這個綠電的這些產業的需求\n\n14\n00:04:40,717 --> 00:05:01,144\n那準經濟部長郭志輝他說就是核能是乾淨能源那你們怎麼看我想核能是乾淨在全球上應該是很明確的一個這個發展的一個趨勢那未來是不是有可能用到核電如果要全面性的降低發電成本的時候\n\n15\n00:05:02,230 --> 00:05:25,982\n我們對任何的這個能源都是多元化而且是這個持續的關注不過核電在台灣他有幾個這個關鍵的問題必須解決一個是核能安全是能夠完全確保另外一個部分就是核廢料是不是可以做適當的處理當然社會共識非常重要這幾個關鍵的前提如果能夠有適當的處理當然可以去持續關注這樣的一個發展\n\n16\n00:05:27,287 --> 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﹚立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第13條條文修正草案案 ﹚立法院第12會期經濟委員會第13條條文修正草案\n案。\n將來各個產業都會應用到AI的技術去提升它整個的產業發展模式跟它的整個的生產力。所以呢其實AI對台灣用電的影響的這一塊呢其實我覺得可能必須要考慮的就是我們在那個應該就是在\n案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案\n案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具\n我剛剛提到部分說是113年我們將近413億度的這個綠電那未來我們在這個太陽光電跟離岸風電事實上每年都有很明確的這個發展的一個這個目標比如說我們這個離岸風力的一個發展每年都會將近1.5個GW的一個這樣的量設置進去我想這個部分會來滿足我們現在優先需要這個綠電的這些產業的需求\n那準經濟部長郭志輝他說就是核能是乾淨能源那你們怎麼看我想核能是乾淨在全球上應該是很明確的一個這個發展的一個趨勢那未來是不是有可能用到核電如果要全面性的降低發電成本的時候\n我們對任何的這個能源都是多元化而且是這個持續的關注不過核電在台灣他有幾個這個關鍵的問題必須解決一個是核能安全是能夠完全確保另外一個部分就是核廢料是不是可以做適當的處理當然社會共識非常重要這幾個關鍵的前提如果能夠有適當的處理當然可以去持續關注這樣的一個發展\n那對於這樣的部分,那行政院會提出相關的修法嗎?我想我們應該是要先做評估分析,再會去做後續的一個討論吧。我想這個過程應該是這樣嚴謹的來做處理會比較好。\n我想請問一下高福那個像你們在講的就是說生成式的AI那生成式的AI未來如果就是說就是像這些軟體的發展在產生的時候有可能會在資料收集的時候會用到就是原創的這個版權或者是相關的著作權那這個部分未來怎麼界定以及你們國發會是不是已經做好相關的就是修法的那個\n案 與委員報告 。\n案 及第十三條條文修正草案 案 及第十三條條文修正草案\n還有一個就是就是如果深層市的AI沒有經過就是內容沒有經過監管或者控制的時候有可能會危害就是社會的穩定跟政權例如說像美國前總統川普跟被捕就是現在在網路上有出現的照片就是用AI做成的就是他川普被捕或者是普丁入獄這樣子的情況那有可能會影響到總統大選\n那像這樣子的情況,未來怎麼樣子因應呢?有關於這個就是打詐、假訊息這一部分其實因為這也是深層式AI的一部分對,這部分也會在那個小組裡面由各組織相關的部會它會提出一些因應的做法這樣子\n那你們現在進行的情況是如何我們已經開過兩次的高層的會議然後因為這個平台裡面下面還有工作小組那工作小組是組的單位就是國科會那國科會他就是說他基本法要統籌各相關部會針對AI對他們的這些包括剛才委員講到的這個就是假的那些訊息會影響選舉的對他們都會有在處理這個課題這樣子好謝謝\n案。」\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:18.766\n接下來我們請謝依鳳委員請做詢答。謝謝主席。我想要請高副主委跟林次長。我們請以上兩位。\n\n00:26.201 --> 00:46.046\n我想請問一下就是說現在我們其實在所謂的資料中心三大資料中心好像都即將要在台灣來設立那我們知道說AI其實因為最近的發展使得就是資料中心變成一個高耗能的這樣子的一個設施\n\n00:46.786 --> 01:10.661\n那有可能說對於我們的就是說未來可能AI中心設立以後我看到相關的報導說到有可能會用掉就是將近37億度的電那佔我們太陽能光電的總發電量的50%那到底因為畢竟我們的綠電目前到底是不是充足的\n\n01:11.061 --> 01:27.032\n以及就是未來如果資料中心的生成的時候那大家也提到像國際主要的國家都希望這個就是資料中心能夠使用綠電的情況下那未來台灣對於相關的規劃是如何?\n\n01:30.008 --> 01:57.506\n謝謝委員我想剛剛你提到那個資料中心耗電的狀況跟AI的一個這個關聯性我想主要是AI主要是生成式的AI在做基本的這個學習運算的時候會耗很多電但是我們現在所了解的部分這些基本的一個生成式AI的運算事實上都不在現在目前的一個資料中心正在運作我想這個部分先做一個這個澄清說明\n\n01:58.226 --> 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﹚立法院第12會期經濟委員會第13條條文修正草案"},{"start":180.097,"end":180.117,"text":"案。"},{"start":195.967,"end":215.193,"text":"將來各個產業都會應用到AI的技術去提升它整個的產業發展模式跟它的整個的生產力。所以呢其實AI對台灣用電的影響的這一塊呢其實我覺得可能必須要考慮的就是我們在那個應該就是在"},{"start":217.634,"end":220.297,"text":"案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案"},{"start":239.076,"end":240.879,"text":"案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具"},{"start":254.618,"end":278.019,"text":"我剛剛提到部分說是113年我們將近413億度的這個綠電那未來我們在這個太陽光電跟離岸風電事實上每年都有很明確的這個發展的一個這個目標比如說我們這個離岸風力的一個發展每年都會將近1.5個GW的一個這樣的量設置進去我想這個部分會來滿足我們現在優先需要這個綠電的這些產業的需求"},{"start":280.717,"end":301.144,"text":"那準經濟部長郭志輝他說就是核能是乾淨能源那你們怎麼看我想核能是乾淨在全球上應該是很明確的一個這個發展的一個趨勢那未來是不是有可能用到核電如果要全面性的降低發電成本的時候"},{"start":302.23,"end":325.982,"text":"我們對任何的這個能源都是多元化而且是這個持續的關注不過核電在台灣他有幾個這個關鍵的問題必須解決一個是核能安全是能夠完全確保另外一個部分就是核廢料是不是可以做適當的處理當然社會共識非常重要這幾個關鍵的前提如果能夠有適當的處理當然可以去持續關注這樣的一個發展"},{"start":327.287,"end":339.195,"text":"那對於這樣的部分,那行政院會提出相關的修法嗎?我想我們應該是要先做評估分析,再會去做後續的一個討論吧。我想這個過程應該是這樣嚴謹的來做處理會比較好。"},{"start":349.517,"end":378.541,"text":"我想請問一下高福那個像你們在講的就是說生成式的AI那生成式的AI未來如果就是說就是像這些軟體的發展在產生的時候有可能會在資料收集的時候會用到就是原創的這個版權或者是相關的著作權那這個部分未來怎麼界定以及你們國發會是不是已經做好相關的就是修法的那個"},{"start":379.221,"end":380.082,"text":"案 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