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00:02:35,590\n基本上就是因為那個條例就是有十年就是因為從八九十年開始是八九十年開始它撥補了三百億那其實我們每一年的大概離島建設基金大概都的投資大概是八九億到十億不相上下那所以它經過時間的經過以後它到基金就會用完了我想問一下可是像這樣的那個非營業基金的時候不是正常應該有永續基金的方式是會比較妥適嗎\n\n7\n00:02:36,610 --> 00:02:36,630\n案。\n\n8\n00:02:54,076 --> 00:03:06,883\n案則是建設基金預計什麼時候會用完?基本上已經用完了,現在基本上都是用撥補的方式在撐嘛。那我在這邊的時候,因為為什麼會針對這部分,我們對於那個整個離島建設基金的那個管理使用狀態,我們也有一些\n\n9\n00:03:17,228 --> 00:03:17,408\n案。」案。\n\n10\n00:03:35,740 --> 00:03:51,767\n競門除外。」那我們後來也發現了這些離島的那個受補助的那個電動機車他們應該在離島使用可是有相當的一個量他是在非他們的區域被發現了像我們這邊簡單講競門大概有超過16輛都在台灣\n\n11\n00:03:57,910 --> 00:04:26,491\n被查到糾紛違規的狀態。」再來是被查到糾紛違規的狀態。那這個部分是表示我們在使用這樣的基金當中的時候,後續的管理其實有欠周延。是,我們的確有發現這樣的情況。所以我們目前就是在把這些車輛其實在做一些全數追回這個補助的當中,就是我們在追查當中。\n\n12\n00:04:27,532 --> 00:04:30,913\n案。您520之後還會繼續留任,所以我要特別去講一件事情,這3月25號我特別質詢了一個就是我們\n\n13\n00:04:50,920 --> 00:05:14,169\n國發會去投資國發基金投資的兆元這個案子。我覺得你們給我的一個回應當中其實我本來上次質詢的時候我本來還講說你們可能是碰到詐騙集團了結果你們的回應給我之後我真的覺得你們可能不是碰到詐騙集團而是因為你們可能是里外呼應你知道為什麼\n\n14\n00:05:14,989 --> 00:05:15,590\n一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具\n\n15\n00:05:30,333 --> 00:05:30,633\n案公告\n\n16\n00:05:52,814 --> 00:06:09,597\n結果本來要讓你們有兩席董事進去的都沒有進去你們就先被減資了被減資了之後呢然後你們才開始擔任他們的董事擔任他們的董事之後呢你們再一次被減資\n\n17\n00:06:12,349 --> 00:06:24,358\n再次減至50.05百分比那整個的虧損一億多那這麼高比例的一個狀態的時候呢你們回應我的狀況\n\n18\n00:06:26,533 --> 00:06:26,953\n我沒有辦法理解\n\n19\n00:06:48,871 --> 00:06:51,934\n就職,包括108年1月31日,108年4月30日,\n\n20\n00:07:04,810 --> 00:07:20,686\n通過投資兩億零四百九十六萬元這三個時間點都在一百零八年五月九號之前所以你們如果真的要進造園的時候你們都有時間去要求\n\n21\n00:07:22,321 --> 00:07:48,981\n你們的董事應該要進去這家公司怎麼會用這樣子的答案來回應我所以我本來覺得可能你們還是被騙了你們的回答方式讓我覺得你們是離應外合欸副主委可不可以回答一下報告委員因為我不督導國發基金那我們國發基金的副執密在這邊我可以請他回應可以\n\n22\n00:07:50,532 --> 00:08:05,429\n委員好,跟委員報告。剛剛委員提到的就是我們在5月20號參與投資趙遠公司。因為剛剛委員提到往前推40天的部分在5月初,但是因為我們5月20號才實際撥款投資,所以正式成為趙遠公司的股東。\n\n23\n00:08:05,629 --> 00:08:29,349\n拜託,你們又不是第一次在投資公司。你們要投資公司之前要把條件都講好啊。所以我講了三個時間點。你們108年1月30號就開始評估符合國家產業發展的方向。所以你們不是5月20號才開始進去耶。你們之前都不用評估嗎?評估當中的時候沒有條件設置嗎?你們這樣在管理這樣的基金我覺得是非常的有問題的。\n\n24\n00:08:30,850 --> 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、本院委\n72223\t96216\t案。」我會看到從那個110年決算數裡面我們看到109年、110年、111年連續三年都短促那從7.14億到12.39億不等那到112年的時候沒有短促是因為用了那個政府公務預算來撥補8.4億進來所以就沒有短促這樣的一個情況\n99898\t119107\t一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十\n127797\t155590\t基本上就是因為那個條例就是有十年就是因為從八九十年開始是八九十年開始它撥補了三百億那其實我們每一年的大概離島建設基金大概都的投資大概是八九億到十億不相上下那所以它經過時間的經過以後它到基金就會用完了我想問一下可是像這樣的那個非營業基金的時候不是正常應該有永續基金的方式是會比較妥適嗎\n156610\t156630\t案 。\n174076\t186883\t案 則是建設基金預計什麼時候會用完?基本上已經用完了,現在基本上都是用撥補的方式在撐嘛。那我在這邊的時候,因為為什麼會針對這部分,我們對於那個整個離島建設基金的那個管理使用狀態,我們也有一些\n197228\t197408\t案。」案。\n215740\t231767\t競門除外。」那我們後來也發現了這些離島的那個受補助的那個電動機車他們應該在離島使用可是有相當的一個量他是在非他們的區域被發現了像我們這邊簡單講競門大概有超過16輛都在台灣\n237910\t266491\t被查到糾紛違規的狀態。」再來是被查到糾紛違規的狀態。那這個部分是表示我們在使用這樣的基金當中的時候,後續的管理其實有欠周延。是,我們的確有發現這樣的情況。所以我們目前就是在把這些車輛其實在做一些全數追回這個補助的當中,就是我們在追查當中。\n267532\t270913\t案 。您520之後還會繼續留任,所以我要特別去講一件事情,這3月25號我特別質詢了一個就是我們\n290920\t314169\t國發會去投資國發基金投資的兆元這個案子。我覺得你們給我的一個回應當中其實我本來上次質詢的時候我本來還講說你們可能是碰到詐騙集團了結果你們的回應給我之後我真的覺得你們可能不是碰到詐騙集團而是因為你們可能是里外呼應你知道為什麼\n314989\t315590\t一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具\n330333\t330633\t案 公告\n352814\t369597\t結果本來要讓你們有兩席董事進去的都沒有進去你們就先被減資了被減資了之後呢然後你們才開始擔任他們的董事擔任他們的董事之後呢你們再一次被減資\n372349\t384358\t再次減至50.05百分比那整個的虧損一億多那這麼高比例的一個狀態的時候呢你們回應我的狀況\n386533\t386953\t我沒有辦法理解\n408871\t411934\t就職,包括108年1月31日,108年4月30日,\n424810\t440686\t通過投資兩億零四百九十六萬元這三個時間點都在一百零八年五月九號之前所以你們如果真的要進造園的時候你們都有時間去要求\n442321\t468981\t你們的董事應該要進去這家公司怎麼會用這樣子的答案來回應我所以我本來覺得可能你們還是被騙了你們的回答方式讓我覺得你們是離應外合欸副主委可不可以回答一下報告委員因為我不督導國發基金那我們國發基金的副執密在這邊我可以請他回應可以\n470532\t485429\t委員好,跟委員報告。剛剛委員提到的就是我們在5月20號參與投資趙遠公司。因為剛剛委員提到往前推40天的部分在5月初,但是因為我們5月20號才實際撥款投資,所以正式成為趙遠公司的股東。\n485629\t509349\t拜託,你們又不是第一次在投資公司。你們要投資公司之前要把條件都講好啊。所以我講了三個時間點。你們108年1月30號就開始評估符合國家產業發展的方向。所以你們不是5月20號才開始進去耶。你們之前都不用評估嗎?評估當中的時候沒有條件設置嗎?你們這樣在管理這樣的基金我覺得是非常的有問題的。\n510850\t530800\t然後在之後你們在回答我說你們在還沒有當董事之前的時候你們有向他們要相關的財務業務相關資料你們覺得這樣就已經達到你們的責任是這樣子嗎?然後董事進去之後的時候又發生減資的一個狀態你們回答我的狀態是說國發基金有請公司要加強財務規劃\n532941\t535562\t案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案\n556909\t556949\t案。」案。\n574255\t574275\t案 。\n","txt":"為鄭、鄭前委員請做詢問。\n副主委你好副主委你好副主委您是事務官是所以520之後您還會繼續吧應該會繼續是OK這樣很好這樣子我們在520之前的最後一次委員會質詢的時候就會更有意義是來我們今天因為在討論離島建設條例相關的部分那講到離島建設條例我們就不免要講到離島建設基金\n一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案案 案 、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案 、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案 、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案 、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案 、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案 、本院委\n案。」我會看到從那個110年決算數裡面我們看到109年、110年、111年連續三年都短促那從7.14億到12.39億不等那到112年的時候沒有短促是因為用了那個政府公務預算來撥補8.4億進來所以就沒有短促這樣的一個情況\n一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十\n基本上就是因為那個條例就是有十年就是因為從八九十年開始是八九十年開始它撥補了三百億那其實我們每一年的大概離島建設基金大概都的投資大概是八九億到十億不相上下那所以它經過時間的經過以後它到基金就會用完了我想問一下可是像這樣的那個非營業基金的時候不是正常應該有永續基金的方式是會比較妥適嗎\n案 。\n案 則是建設基金預計什麼時候會用完?基本上已經用完了,現在基本上都是用撥補的方式在撐嘛。那我在這邊的時候,因為為什麼會針對這部分,我們對於那個整個離島建設基金的那個管理使用狀態,我們也有一些\n案。」案。\n競門除外。」那我們後來也發現了這些離島的那個受補助的那個電動機車他們應該在離島使用可是有相當的一個量他是在非他們的區域被發現了像我們這邊簡單講競門大概有超過16輛都在台灣\n被查到糾紛違規的狀態。」再來是被查到糾紛違規的狀態。那這個部分是表示我們在使用這樣的基金當中的時候,後續的管理其實有欠周延。是,我們的確有發現這樣的情況。所以我們目前就是在把這些車輛其實在做一些全數追回這個補助的當中,就是我們在追查當中。\n案 。您520之後還會繼續留任,所以我要特別去講一件事情,這3月25號我特別質詢了一個就是我們\n國發會去投資國發基金投資的兆元這個案子。我覺得你們給我的一個回應當中其實我本來上次質詢的時候我本來還講說你們可能是碰到詐騙集團了結果你們的回應給我之後我真的覺得你們可能不是碰到詐騙集團而是因為你們可能是里外呼應你知道為什麼\n一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具\n案 公告\n結果本來要讓你們有兩席董事進去的都沒有進去你們就先被減資了被減資了之後呢然後你們才開始擔任他們的董事擔任他們的董事之後呢你們再一次被減資\n再次減至50.05百分比那整個的虧損一億多那這麼高比例的一個狀態的時候呢你們回應我的狀況\n我沒有辦法理解\n就職,包括108年1月31日,108年4月30日,\n通過投資兩億零四百九十六萬元這三個時間點都在一百零八年五月九號之前所以你們如果真的要進造園的時候你們都有時間去要求\n你們的董事應該要進去這家公司怎麼會用這樣子的答案來回應我所以我本來覺得可能你們還是被騙了你們的回答方式讓我覺得你們是離應外合欸副主委可不可以回答一下報告委員因為我不督導國發基金那我們國發基金的副執密在這邊我可以請他回應可以\n委員好,跟委員報告。剛剛委員提到的就是我們在5月20號參與投資趙遠公司。因為剛剛委員提到往前推40天的部分在5月初,但是因為我們5月20號才實際撥款投資,所以正式成為趙遠公司的股東。\n拜託,你們又不是第一次在投資公司。你們要投資公司之前要把條件都講好啊。所以我講了三個時間點。你們108年1月30號就開始評估符合國家產業發展的方向。所以你們不是5月20號才開始進去耶。你們之前都不用評估嗎?評估當中的時候沒有條件設置嗎?你們這樣在管理這樣的基金我覺得是非常的有問題的。\n然後在之後你們在回答我說你們在還沒有當董事之前的時候你們有向他們要相關的財務業務相關資料你們覺得這樣就已經達到你們的責任是這樣子嗎?然後董事進去之後的時候又發生減資的一個狀態你們回答我的狀態是說國發基金有請公司要加強財務規劃\n案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案\n案。」案。\n案 。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.970 --> 00:01.890\n為鄭、鄭前委員請做詢問。\n\n00:20.605 --> 00:48.213\n副主委你好副主委你好副主委您是事務官是所以520之後您還會繼續吧應該會繼續是OK這樣很好這樣子我們在520之前的最後一次委員會質詢的時候就會更有意義是來我們今天因為在討論離島建設條例相關的部分那講到離島建設條例我們就不免要講到離島建設基金\n\n00:48.933 --> 01:05.580\n一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案案案、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案、本院委\n\n01:12.223 --> 01:36.216\n案。」我會看到從那個110年決算數裡面我們看到109年、110年、111年連續三年都短促那從7.14億到12.39億不等那到112年的時候沒有短促是因為用了那個政府公務預算來撥補8.4億進來所以就沒有短促這樣的一個情況\n\n01:39.898 --> 01:59.107\n一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十\n\n02:07.797 --> 02:35.590\n基本上就是因為那個條例就是有十年就是因為從八九十年開始是八九十年開始它撥補了三百億那其實我們每一年的大概離島建設基金大概都的投資大概是八九億到十億不相上下那所以它經過時間的經過以後它到基金就會用完了我想問一下可是像這樣的那個非營業基金的時候不是正常應該有永續基金的方式是會比較妥適嗎\n\n02:36.610 --> 02:36.630\n案。\n\n02:54.076 --> 03:06.883\n案則是建設基金預計什麼時候會用完?基本上已經用完了,現在基本上都是用撥補的方式在撐嘛。那我在這邊的時候,因為為什麼會針對這部分,我們對於那個整個離島建設基金的那個管理使用狀態,我們也有一些\n\n03:17.228 --> 03:17.408\n案。」案。\n\n03:35.740 --> 03:51.767\n競門除外。」那我們後來也發現了這些離島的那個受補助的那個電動機車他們應該在離島使用可是有相當的一個量他是在非他們的區域被發現了像我們這邊簡單講競門大概有超過16輛都在台灣\n\n03:57.910 --> 04:26.491\n被查到糾紛違規的狀態。」再來是被查到糾紛違規的狀態。那這個部分是表示我們在使用這樣的基金當中的時候,後續的管理其實有欠周延。是,我們的確有發現這樣的情況。所以我們目前就是在把這些車輛其實在做一些全數追回這個補助的當中,就是我們在追查當中。\n\n04:27.532 --> 04:30.913\n案。您520之後還會繼續留任,所以我要特別去講一件事情,這3月25號我特別質詢了一個就是我們\n\n04:50.920 --> 05:14.169\n國發會去投資國發基金投資的兆元這個案子。我覺得你們給我的一個回應當中其實我本來上次質詢的時候我本來還講說你們可能是碰到詐騙集團了結果你們的回應給我之後我真的覺得你們可能不是碰到詐騙集團而是因為你們可能是里外呼應你知道為什麼\n\n05:14.989 --> 05:15.590\n一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具\n\n05:30.333 --> 05:30.633\n案公告\n\n05:52.814 --> 06:09.597\n結果本來要讓你們有兩席董事進去的都沒有進去你們就先被減資了被減資了之後呢然後你們才開始擔任他們的董事擔任他們的董事之後呢你們再一次被減資\n\n06:12.349 --> 06:24.358\n再次減至50.05百分比那整個的虧損一億多那這麼高比例的一個狀態的時候呢你們回應我的狀況\n\n06:26.533 --> 06:26.953\n我沒有辦法理解\n\n06:48.871 --> 06:51.934\n就職,包括108年1月31日,108年4月30日,\n\n07:04.810 --> 07:20.686\n通過投資兩億零四百九十六萬元這三個時間點都在一百零八年五月九號之前所以你們如果真的要進造園的時候你們都有時間去要求\n\n07:22.321 --> 07:48.981\n你們的董事應該要進去這家公司怎麼會用這樣子的答案來回應我所以我本來覺得可能你們還是被騙了你們的回答方式讓我覺得你們是離應外合欸副主委可不可以回答一下報告委員因為我不督導國發基金那我們國發基金的副執密在這邊我可以請他回應可以\n\n07:50.532 --> 08:05.429\n委員好,跟委員報告。剛剛委員提到的就是我們在5月20號參與投資趙遠公司。因為剛剛委員提到往前推40天的部分在5月初,但是因為我們5月20號才實際撥款投資,所以正式成為趙遠公司的股東。\n\n08:05.629 --> 08:29.349\n拜託,你們又不是第一次在投資公司。你們要投資公司之前要把條件都講好啊。所以我講了三個時間點。你們108年1月30號就開始評估符合國家產業發展的方向。所以你們不是5月20號才開始進去耶。你們之前都不用評估嗎?評估當中的時候沒有條件設置嗎?你們這樣在管理這樣的基金我覺得是非常的有問題的。\n\n08:30.850 --> 08:50.800\n然後在之後你們在回答我說你們在還沒有當董事之前的時候你們有向他們要相關的財務業務相關資料你們覺得這樣就已經達到你們的責任是這樣子嗎?然後董事進去之後的時候又發生減資的一個狀態你們回答我的狀態是說國發基金有請公司要加強財務規劃\n\n08:52.941 --> 08:55.562\n案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案\n\n09:16.909 --> 09:16.949\n案。」案。\n\n09:34.255 --> 09:34.275\n案。\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.97,"end":1.89,"text":"為鄭、鄭前委員請做詢問。"},{"start":20.605,"end":48.213,"text":"副主委你好副主委你好副主委您是事務官是所以520之後您還會繼續吧應該會繼續是OK這樣很好這樣子我們在520之前的最後一次委員會質詢的時候就會更有意義是來我們今天因為在討論離島建設條例相關的部分那講到離島建設條例我們就不免要講到離島建設基金"},{"start":48.933,"end":65.58,"text":"一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十六條條文修正草案案 案 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