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00:02:58,262\n我是建議啦如果未來還有相關的工程要通車就一次通車不然民眾會覺得說這個是不是就像我標題上寫的好像是為了趕520錢的通車典禮把它辦一辦當然我還是要肯定我沒有否定你們的這個的付出但是要通車我們希望一併的把這個所有的交通節點都打開再來辦通車要塞車一次塞完不要說好像辦通車典禮大家期待不會塞車結果下面還在塞車\n\n9\n00:02:59,202 --> 00:03:24,390\n我們是想說做完的上面的部分都全部開放那底下是在只是把工區整理好啦沒關係我是希望趕快啦這個東西齁要說明跟民眾說明清楚不要讓大家誤會覺得好像就大家真的覺得這個520通車好像是假的齁國道通了但是下面沒通這個還是尤其在上下班的時候大家情緒都很激烈好接下來回到本今天本期的主題啊我想這個橋梁的問題\n\n10\n00:03:26,607 --> 00:03:44,423\n一看到我們找到的數據,如果有誤的話,要跟證一下我想這全國的橋梁大概從我們拿到的數據裡面有22982個橋梁那分屬不同的機關在管理那為什麼今天特別會趕緊召回班的這個今天的專案報告因為這個問題其實我本來也很想問的\n\n11\n00:03:48,547 --> 00:04:16,070\n就從2019年這南方大橋垮下來之後大家才發現當初的南方的橋是臺灣省政府還在的時候委託宜蘭縣興建那後來是基隆港務局管理那後來是港務公司來接手但是到這個2016年的時候呢宜蘭縣政府跟港務公司都以為這座橋是縣府在管轄的就說一座橋從興建到管理到後來交接出去之後好像各單位都不知道那個橋到底是誰的\n\n12\n00:04:16,750 --> 00:04:34,549\n那以現在所屬這個數據裡面來看到從交通部內政部各單位到各縣市政府縣市政府當然很多嘛有這樣2萬多座橋梁那這樣子在管理上面在維護上面是不是會有多頭馬車全車不限的問題那交通部有沒有希望來建立一個全國儀式性的橋梁的主管機關\n\n13\n00:04:38,149 --> 00:04:52,966\n我跟那個委員說明一下有關剛才特別提到南方號斷橋之後其實整個行政院大概有檢討剛才委員特別提到的各個部會其他管下有所管理的很多的價量\n\n14\n00:04:53,266 --> 00:04:59,075\n甚至在當時的交通委員會也有做有關這樣的一個討論但是討論了以後認為其實現在因為有各個這個養護或管理的一個權責在所以還是後來的決議還是分開來做相關的一個管理\n\n15\n00:05:09,870 --> 00:05:11,272\n這個維護管理所以現在的維護管理也一樣是分散在各單位嗎?現階段?對\n\n16\n00:05:33,009 --> 00:06:00,067\n對,因為他其實他是不管是哪一個他都其實是道路的一部分一個道路不可能說這個橋是歸哪個單位但是這個橋是屬於地方在管的或是屬於以前是國土署在管的那你化歸這個其他單位所以有這樣的問題那但是我也跟委員報告整體上有關這個全國橋梁反而是提升到行政院他定有一個維護管理的一個計畫在那個計畫下面\n\n17\n00:06:03,108 --> 00:06:30,941\n在那個計畫的下面他就會有相關的管理的權責、督導的權責、執行養護的權責那主的單位是誰?現在有主的單位嗎?市長因為時間剩不夠了所以我要給你一個案例啦我想他常常講台日也好、台日也好那以日本為例隔壁日本他的橋有72萬他當然也是有很多單位包含說國土交通省、高速公路司、然後督導府縣各地都有在管但他同樣的他的國土交通省除了\n\n18\n00:06:32,061 --> 00:06:54,822\n對自己本身就像你現在交通部一樣你對自己的橋梁有管理之外他其實同時他對於其他單位的橋梁的維修看這個這個檢測也都是這個國土交通省他一定一併來負責所以今天本期只是第一個PPTA就時間不夠了今天這個本期要提是說是不是未來交通部應該擔起這個管理或是說至少維護\n\n19\n00:06:55,623 --> 00:06:55,983\n法定人數不足\n\n20\n00:07:12,269 --> 00:07:35,757\n30年以上的就有含不詳的年齡就不知道多久的有1萬將近1萬5千座橋梁30年以上所以不知道要蓋多久所以這些橋梁如果沒有一個主責機關來管理來維修的話萬一後續出問題的時候或是平常沒有人維護的話沒有人知道你手上可能也沒數據啊所以是不是有機會交通部應該往這個方向去調整這管理的方式市長\n\n21\n00:07:38,687 --> 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結果下面還在塞車\n179202\t204390\t我們是想說做完的上面的部分都全部開放那底下是在只是把工區整理好啦沒關係我是希望趕快啦這個東西齁要說明跟民眾說明清楚不要讓大家誤會覺得好像就大家真的覺得這個520通車好像是假的齁國道通了但是下面沒通這個還是尤其在上下班的時候大家情緒都很激烈好接下來回到本今天本期的主題啊我想這個橋梁的問題\n206607\t224423\t一看到我們找到的數據,如果有誤的話,要跟證一下我想這全國的橋梁大概從我們拿到的數據裡面有22982個橋梁那分屬不同的機關在管理那為什麼今天特別會趕緊召回班的這個今天的專案報告因為這個問題其實我本來也很想問的\n228547\t256070\t就從2019年這南方大橋垮下來之後大家才發現當初的南方的橋是臺灣省政府還在的時候委託宜蘭縣興建那後來是基隆港務局管理那後來是港務公司來接手但是到這個2016年的時候呢宜蘭縣政府跟港務公司都以為這座橋是縣府在管轄的就說一座橋從興建到管理到後來交接出去之後好像各單位都不知道那個橋到底是誰的\n256750\t274549\t那以現在所屬這個數據裡面來看到從交通部內政部各單位到各縣市政府縣市政府當然很多嘛有這樣2萬多座橋梁那這樣子在管理上面在維護上面是不是會有多頭馬車全車不限的問題那交通部有沒有希望來建立一個全國儀式性的橋梁的主管機關\n278149\t292966\t我跟那個委員說明一下有關剛才特別提到南方號斷橋之後其實整個行政院大概有檢討剛才委員特別提到的各個部會其他管下有所管理的很多的價量\n293266\t299075\t甚至在當時的交通委員會也有做有關這樣的一個討論但是討論了以後認為其實現在因為有各個這個養護或管理的一個權責在所以還是後來的決議還是分開來做相關的一個管理\n309870\t311272\t這個維護管理所以現在的維護管理也一樣是分散在各單位嗎?現階段?對\n333009\t360067\t對,因為他其實他是不管是哪一個他都其實是道路的一部分一個道路不可能說這個橋是歸哪個單位但是這個橋是屬於地方在管的或是屬於以前是國土署在管的那你化歸這個其他單位所以有這樣的問題那但是我也跟委員報告整體上有關這個全國橋梁反而是提升到行政院他定有一個維護管理的一個計畫在那個計畫下面\n363108\t390941\t在那個計畫的下面他就會有相關的管理的權責、督導的權責、執行養護的權責那主的單位是誰?現在有主的單位嗎?市長因為時間剩不夠了所以我要給你一個案例啦我想他常常講台日也好、台日也好那以日本為例隔壁日本他的橋有72萬他當然也是有很多單位包含說國土交通省、高速公路司、然後督導府縣各地都有在管但他同樣的他的國土交通省除了\n392061\t414822\t對自己本身就像你現在交通部一樣你對自己的橋梁有管理之外他其實同時他對於其他單位的橋梁的維修看這個這個檢測也都是這個國土交通省他一定一併來負責所以今天本期只是第一個PPTA就時間不夠了今天這個本期要提是說是不是未來交通部應該擔起這個管理或是說至少維護\n415623\t415983\t法定人數不足\n432269\t455757\t30年以上的就有含不詳的年齡就不知道多久的有1萬將近1萬5千座橋梁30年以上所以不知道要蓋多久所以這些橋梁如果沒有一個主責機關來管理來維修的話萬一後續出問題的時候或是平常沒有人維護的話沒有人知道你手上可能也沒數據啊所以是不是有機會交通部應該往這個方向去調整這管理的方式市長\n458687\t483914\t報告一下那個原則上因為是他有這可以看到他有不同的一個屬性還有地點的一個不同所以才會說現在的橋梁即便是在各個不同單位在管養但是到了上面的督導單位原則上大部分如果是交通部跟內政部在負責督導所以不會有產生說沒有人管的一個情形\n485195\t485295\t主席謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 那我們是不是請交通部我們政次還有我們公路局陳局長請陳次長 陳局長委員好次長好一開始當然要先肯定說我們禮拜一也就是這個禮拜一\n在這個臺中的七十四七十四號街國道運行的工程能夠順利的通車要感謝說我們交通部公路局有大家的這個努力讓臺中的這個交通任督二脈終於來打通了高速公路局高速公路局抱歉高速公路局公路局也有啊七十四七十四號這一段就是感謝大家這樣子分工合作能夠把這個東西做好但是馬上就要但是了我們看一下這個是我本席禮拜二禮拜三晚上剛好經過我發現的一件事情\n雖然說我們這個74街國道1號的這個聯絡道做好了那的確是一個很很大的工程也很大的很重要的工程但是74這個\n快速道路很多的閘道包含崇德那段的閘道好像到我昨天晚上開的時候都還沒有開通我想問一下為什麼跟委員報告那我們在這個系統叫大系統叫到施工的時候他總共封了三個閘道包括崇德的西路那還有北屯二的一個東出跟那個東出東路跟西出\n因為我覺得民眾的期待是說這個\n通車典禮辦了之後﹐不只是可以接國道而已﹐包含過往﹐直接下去﹐直接市區道路這一段﹐也應該一併的開放﹐因為如果你不開放﹐其實就變成上面﹐比較通暢﹐但是下面照樣在塞車﹐因為其實是﹐下面的這個道路﹐它其實就是重要的幹﹐然後連接了所謂大亞北屯西屯﹐這個﹐這個﹐這個下面的這道路﹐如果因為你這個工區﹐\n我們盡快 因為我們這個底下他必須要整個要清空才可以\n我是建議啦 如果未來還有相關的工程要通車就一次通車 不然民眾會覺得說 這個是不是就像我標題上寫的好像是為了趕520錢的通車典禮把它辦一辦當然我還是要肯定 我沒有否定你們的這個的付出但是要通車我們希望一併的把這個所有的交通節點都打開再來辦通車 要塞車一次塞完不要說好像辦通車典禮大家期待不會塞車 結果下面還在塞車\n我們是想說做完的上面的部分都全部開放那底下是在只是把工區整理好啦沒關係我是希望趕快啦這個東西齁要說明跟民眾說明清楚不要讓大家誤會覺得好像就大家真的覺得這個520通車好像是假的齁國道通了但是下面沒通這個還是尤其在上下班的時候大家情緒都很激烈好接下來回到本今天本期的主題啊我想這個橋梁的問題\n一看到我們找到的數據,如果有誤的話,要跟證一下我想這全國的橋梁大概從我們拿到的數據裡面有22982個橋梁那分屬不同的機關在管理那為什麼今天特別會趕緊召回班的這個今天的專案報告因為這個問題其實我本來也很想問的\n就從2019年這南方大橋垮下來之後大家才發現當初的南方的橋是臺灣省政府還在的時候委託宜蘭縣興建那後來是基隆港務局管理那後來是港務公司來接手但是到這個2016年的時候呢宜蘭縣政府跟港務公司都以為這座橋是縣府在管轄的就說一座橋從興建到管理到後來交接出去之後好像各單位都不知道那個橋到底是誰的\n那以現在所屬這個數據裡面來看到從交通部內政部各單位到各縣市政府縣市政府當然很多嘛有這樣2萬多座橋梁那這樣子在管理上面在維護上面是不是會有多頭馬車全車不限的問題那交通部有沒有希望來建立一個全國儀式性的橋梁的主管機關\n我跟那個委員說明一下有關剛才特別提到南方號斷橋之後其實整個行政院大概有檢討剛才委員特別提到的各個部會其他管下有所管理的很多的價量\n甚至在當時的交通委員會也有做有關這樣的一個討論但是討論了以後認為其實現在因為有各個這個養護或管理的一個權責在所以還是後來的決議還是分開來做相關的一個管理\n這個維護管理所以現在的維護管理也一樣是分散在各單位嗎?現階段?對\n對,因為他其實他是不管是哪一個他都其實是道路的一部分一個道路不可能說這個橋是歸哪個單位但是這個橋是屬於地方在管的或是屬於以前是國土署在管的那你化歸這個其他單位所以有這樣的問題那但是我也跟委員報告整體上有關這個全國橋梁反而是提升到行政院他定有一個維護管理的一個計畫在那個計畫下面\n在那個計畫的下面他就會有相關的管理的權責、督導的權責、執行養護的權責那主的單位是誰?現在有主的單位嗎?市長因為時間剩不夠了所以我要給你一個案例啦我想他常常講台日也好、台日也好那以日本為例隔壁日本他的橋有72萬他當然也是有很多單位包含說國土交通省、高速公路司、然後督導府縣各地都有在管但他同樣的他的國土交通省除了\n對自己本身就像你現在交通部一樣你對自己的橋梁有管理之外他其實同時他對於其他單位的橋梁的維修看這個這個檢測也都是這個國土交通省他一定一併來負責所以今天本期只是第一個PPTA就時間不夠了今天這個本期要提是說是不是未來交通部應該擔起這個管理或是說至少維護\n法定人數不足\n30年以上的就有含不詳的年齡就不知道多久的有1萬將近1萬5千座橋梁30年以上所以不知道要蓋多久所以這些橋梁如果沒有一個主責機關來管理來維修的話萬一後續出問題的時候或是平常沒有人維護的話沒有人知道你手上可能也沒數據啊所以是不是有機會交通部應該往這個方向去調整這管理的方式市長\n報告一下那個原則上因為是他有這可以看到他有不同的一個屬性還有地點的一個不同所以才會說現在的橋梁即便是在各個不同單位在管養但是到了上面的督導單位原則上大部分如果是交通部跟內政部在負責督導所以不會有產生說沒有人管的一個情形\n主席謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.147 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03:24.390\n我們是想說做完的上面的部分都全部開放那底下是在只是把工區整理好啦沒關係我是希望趕快啦這個東西齁要說明跟民眾說明清楚不要讓大家誤會覺得好像就大家真的覺得這個520通車好像是假的齁國道通了但是下面沒通這個還是尤其在上下班的時候大家情緒都很激烈好接下來回到本今天本期的主題啊我想這個橋梁的問題\n\n03:26.607 --> 03:44.423\n一看到我們找到的數據,如果有誤的話,要跟證一下我想這全國的橋梁大概從我們拿到的數據裡面有22982個橋梁那分屬不同的機關在管理那為什麼今天特別會趕緊召回班的這個今天的專案報告因為這個問題其實我本來也很想問的\n\n03:48.547 --> 04:16.070\n就從2019年這南方大橋垮下來之後大家才發現當初的南方的橋是臺灣省政府還在的時候委託宜蘭縣興建那後來是基隆港務局管理那後來是港務公司來接手但是到這個2016年的時候呢宜蘭縣政府跟港務公司都以為這座橋是縣府在管轄的就說一座橋從興建到管理到後來交接出去之後好像各單位都不知道那個橋到底是誰的\n\n04:16.750 --> 04:34.549\n那以現在所屬這個數據裡面來看到從交通部內政部各單位到各縣市政府縣市政府當然很多嘛有這樣2萬多座橋梁那這樣子在管理上面在維護上面是不是會有多頭馬車全車不限的問題那交通部有沒有希望來建立一個全國儀式性的橋梁的主管機關\n\n04:38.149 --> 04:52.966\n我跟那個委員說明一下有關剛才特別提到南方號斷橋之後其實整個行政院大概有檢討剛才委員特別提到的各個部會其他管下有所管理的很多的價量\n\n04:53.266 --> 04:59.075\n甚至在當時的交通委員會也有做有關這樣的一個討論但是討論了以後認為其實現在因為有各個這個養護或管理的一個權責在所以還是後來的決議還是分開來做相關的一個管理\n\n05:09.870 --> 05:11.272\n這個維護管理所以現在的維護管理也一樣是分散在各單位嗎?現階段?對\n\n05:33.009 --> 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