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00:02:21,076\n不只是有人不只是這個人命安全會有危險之外另外一方面更重要是整個交通交通安全會中斷以我基隆市為例不管是和平橋社寮橋還有其他的橋樑其實我記得沒有錯話其實都已經蠻久了那請問說針對以上地方的橋樑有關超過40年的請問目前我們的偵測跟修補的計劃是什麼\n\n8\n00:02:28,368 --> 00:02:53,063\n跟委員報告一下原則上在地方主管的橋梁他都要每年要去做一些相關的一個檢測那檢測完以後他會有一個U值那U值大於4的就是大概要是立即要應該是維修就是要維修那甚至如果不能修可能就要重建等等的所以剛才特別提到40年以上的橋梁不必然是要做\n\n9\n00:02:53,763 --> 00:02:55,524\n本席是絕對尊重我們交通的專業但是必須要提醒說因為\n\n10\n00:03:18,516 --> 00:03:37,788\n403這是大地震未來還有很多餘震當然很多餘震甚至是我們感受我們的體感體感感受不到的那這些餘震都對於地質都對於地層會有很深的影響那與其是說到事情發生了憾事發生了然後有人走掉了我們再去來去檢討說當初我們可以做更好\n\n11\n00:03:38,308 --> 00:03:53,404\n本席會建議在這邊以交通部的這個整整宏觀來講必須先預先先真的是真的是超前部署先去預先去預防這樣的事情發生好那第二個本席今天要討論剛好我們公路局的主局長在那就是有關電動大客車的問題\n\n12\n00:03:55,566 --> 00:04:15,747\n因為其實我們本席一直不只是因為最近能源危機不管是我們能源政策說真的是有錯誤的啦能源政策的錯誤也好還是全還是全球的這個環保意識高漲也好變成是我們這電動大客車的政策嚴格是方向是正確的但是人家講一句話就是說\n\n13\n00:04:17,048 --> 00:04:35,147\n理想很豐滿現實很骨感那我一直聽到業者有跟我反應說我們這個電動巴士全國電動巴士2030全國化對吧但是到目前為止好像很多業者針對台電他們那邊無法配合他們能夠電動巴士到位是不是有這個狀況\n\n14\n00:04:38,237 --> 00:05:03,078\n想跟委員報告一下有關各縣市在尤其是我們公路局核定電動巴士的時候不管是路線也要廠站也好我們在那裡頭都有一個條件就是說希望他要跟地方政府台電要跟地方政府大家共同去討論如何來提供穩定的電力來幫他們足以充電所以這個部分是有些\n\n15\n00:05:03,999 --> 00:05:18,376\n一開始的時候是有些縣市有提出來但是後來因為我們相關的補助補助的機制裡面就有縣市政府要共同來協助所以這個問題這就是我現在為什麼把電動巴士這個議題拿出來講的原因因為一方面講像我\n\n16\n00:05:19,657 --> 00:05:42,389\n如果六都相對來講財源比較充足的話電動巴士的購買電動巴士裝置會比較輕鬆但像我基隆市財政困難的時候這方面可能就需要公路許多補助這一方面這個除此之外那其實臺電現在是否有足夠的電力在2030提供全國的巴士電動化其實本席對這件事保持高度的懷疑\n\n17\n00:05:43,462 --> 00:06:08,061\n因為甚至來講說我們2030如果真的要電動化的話我們現在電夠不夠電動裝夠不夠我們現在的發電廠怎麼樣南電北送各方面的事情全部都沒有idea我上次直接問國發會主委國發會主委說我不知道等我回去查給你然後我等了一個月之後也沒有任何資料上來那其實我個人認為這是相當不負責任的一個態度在推行公共政策來講這是非常不負責任的一個態度\n\n18\n00:06:10,290 --> 00:06:26,467\n2030全面電動巴士2040全面電動小客車跟全面電動機車2050全國無碳化但是我們怎麼樣用電我們不知道那我們現在電是什麼我們燒煤炭我們添燃氣甚至有一些有10%不到是用綠能\n\n19\n00:06:27,250 --> 00:06:42,679\n但是這樣的情況之下我們其實電力不夠充足的時候甚至連我們基本的生產甚至我們基本的經濟發展都不能維持那你怎麼去做到全國無碳化這點我想說交通部這其實不只是交通部這應該是已經上升到行政院的問題了\n\n20\n00:06:43,399 --> 00:07:09,291\n但是交通部是直接要去直接去執行這至少是2030跟2040的政策我希望說在會後我今天質詢我也知道一時之間交通部拿不出一個完整的報告但是我蠻希望在一個月之內我能夠至少交通部針對怎麼樣去達到你們說的2030電動巴士全國化怎麼樣去達到2040電動小客車電動機車全國化我覺得是不是比較務實的做法次長你覺得呢\n\n21\n00:07:11,023 --> 00:07:28,257\n相關的這個委員所需要的一個書面的一個報告我們來提供但是也跟委員報告有關剛才委員特別提到臺電其實我們公路局有跟臺電有個窗口來協助各縣市當他有電動巴士要設置的時候相關電網的一個供應有這樣的一個機制在這裡面\n\n22\n00:07:29,478 --> 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