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\"score\": 0.968}, {\"word\": \"以\", \"start\": 541.641, \"end\": 541.741, \"score\": 0.829}, {\"word\": \"上\", \"start\": 541.741, \"end\": 542.261, \"score\": 0.994}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"好\", \"start\": 542.261, \"end\": 542.281, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:21,869 --> 00:00:49,807\n好謝謝主席那有請我們法務部黃次長好麻煩次長好次長早委員早我們今天要併案審查的法案當中那個包含我們刑法第三百三十九條、三百三十九之三、三百三十九之四條的這個修正草案那也就是有關我們普通這個詐欺罪還有電腦詐欺罪還有加重詐欺罪的部分\n\n2\n00:00:50,447 --> 00:01:09,539\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法\n\n3\n00:01:15,282 --> 00:01:32,059\n但是從這個網路媒體昨天公布的這個民調當中我們可以觀察到當下民眾最在乎也最擔憂的還是詐騙防治的相關問題啦齁那我們今天看到許多的草案是針對行者的加重希望這個\n\n4\n00:01:34,104 --> 00:01:38,746\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n\n5\n00:01:57,602 --> 00:02:07,851\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆\n\n6\n00:02:09,850 --> 00:02:19,674\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12\n\n7\n00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:54,936\n那從這個防治到這後來的這個追審都是重要的後面的被害人的資產返還回復都是很重要的好因為防範犯罪應該是這個防範勝於懲罰啦我我相信這是大家都認同的啦\n\n8\n00:02:55,196 --> 00:03:01,798\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期\n\n9\n00:03:13,820 --> 00:03:16,781\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n\n10\n00:03:41,832 --> 00:03:44,998\n所以也有委員提案將投資詐騙列為這個詐欺加重的\n\n11\n00:03:49,295 --> 00:03:58,460\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12\n\n12\n00:04:12,166 --> 00:04:41,101\n各位報告投資詐騙他現在的確是在我們相關電災案件算一個最高比例的案件數那至於是不是應該要把投資犯詐騙這一個把他獨立成一個刑罰呢那從法務部的角度來看我們在打詐專法裡面已經把你的詐騙的金額超過一千萬這種高額的投資詐騙我們已經把他列為一種獨立的刑罰可處三年以上四年以下有期徒刑事實上我們在打詐專法就這一塊高額詐欺的部分我們是已經有獨立刑罰的加重處罰規定\n\n13\n00:04:41,561 --> 00:05:05,449\n那如果我們不要去設定一個金額勒市長您剛剛說是一千萬以上對那對於好剛好九百萬的我們就認為說這不符合這個條件我覺得也不公平但是我們在打詐專法裡面加重的要件有各種要件那投資金額超過一千萬十之其中的一種犯罪類型如果你有其他的複合式的犯罪他有可能構成加重的另外一種獨立犯罪類型\n\n14\n00:05:07,650 --> 00:05:31,024\n對於這種加重的情形我想請教就是說司法院所提的書面報告裡面對於草案當中將339條之四的第一項一年以上七年以下提高到三年以上十年以下提出疑慮因為不能進行檢視的審判程序都變成強制辯護的案件\n\n15\n00:05:33,005 --> 00:05:58,081\n認為這個勢必會造成在法院程序上增加審理期間這個更加全面延長的情況本來就非常吃緊的這個司法人力恐怕也會更加吃不消就剛剛陳儒剛剛那個那個次長您所說的部分那我想請教這個次長如何看待這個問題有沒有兼顧的方法可以來防止各位報告\n\n16\n00:05:58,561 --> 00:06:02,483\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員\n\n17\n00:06:14,309 --> 00:06:22,052\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n\n18\n00:06:40,899 --> 00:06:56,392\n最近因為傳出檢察官在開庭的途中突然脫掉這個法袍離開的這個消息離開那個法庭的消息後來我們從這個裁定書以及法院和檢察官本人的回覆可以初步瞭解\n\n19\n00:06:56,892 --> 00:07:13,011\n是因為當天這個檢察官身體不舒服要去看醫生並不希望能夠獲得正常的並且希望能夠獲得這個正常的休息時間那這一起案件啟動了這個行政調查在調查之後\n\n20\n00:07:13,812 --> 00:07:27,896\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第\n\n21\n00:07:37,878 --> 00:07:43,939\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會\n\n22\n00:07:58,763 --> 00:08:01,365\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n\n23\n00:08:22,401 --> 00:08:32,653\n這個顯然除了這個案件之外還有其他的因素讓檢察官這個被感疲勞我想對於過勞司法的部分這個本委員會也有召開過公聽會的討論我們在討論打詐的同時也應該一併\n\n24\n00:08:37,863 --> 00:09:02,281\n這個考慮到人力的問題有健全的司法工作環境才有打擊詐騙的能力這個次長您認同嗎?所以我希望說對於我們這個檢察官的部分除了剛剛講的這個個案以外我也希望說我們對於其他的這個檢察官應該要去檢視他們在工作上的那種壓力的問題讓他們有舒緩的情況好以上謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n21869\t49807\t好謝謝主席那有請我們法務部黃次長好麻煩次長好次長早委員早我們今天要併案審查的法案當中那個包含我們刑法第三百三十九條、三百三十九之三、三百三十九之四條的這個修正草案那也就是有關我們普通這個詐欺罪還有電腦詐欺罪還有加重詐欺罪的部分\n50447\t69539\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法\n75282\t92059\t但是從這個網路媒體昨天公布的這個民調當中我們可以觀察到當下民眾最在乎也最擔憂的還是詐騙防治的相關問題啦齁那我們今天看到許多的草案是針對行者的加重希望這個\n94104\t98746\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n117602\t127851\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆\n129850\t139674\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12\n155439\t174936\t那從這個防治到這後來的這個追審都是重要的後面的被害人的資產返還回復都是很重要的好因為防範犯罪應該是這個防範勝於懲罰啦我我相信這是大家都認同的啦\n175196\t181798\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期\n193820\t196781\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n221832\t224998\t所以也有委員提案將投資詐騙列為這個詐欺加重的\n229295\t238460\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12\n252166\t281101\t各位報告投資詐騙他現在的確是在我們相關電災案件算一個最高比例的案件數那至於是不是應該要把投資犯詐騙這一個把他獨立成一個刑罰呢那從法務部的角度來看我們在打詐專法裡面已經把你的詐騙的金額超過一千萬這種高額的投資詐騙我們已經把他列為一種獨立的刑罰可處三年以上四年以下有期徒刑事實上我們在打詐專法就這一塊高額詐欺的部分我們是已經有獨立刑罰的加重處罰規定\n281561\t305449\t那如果我們不要去設定一個金額勒市長您剛剛說是一千萬以上對那對於好剛好九百萬的我們就認為說這不符合這個條件我覺得也不公平但是我們在打詐專法裡面加重的要件有各種要件那投資金額超過一千萬十之其中的一種犯罪類型如果你有其他的複合式的犯罪他有可能構成加重的另外一種獨立犯罪類型\n307650\t331024\t對於這種加重的情形我想請教就是說司法院所提的書面報告裡面對於草案當中將339條之四的第一項一年以上七年以下提高到三年以上十年以下提出疑慮因為不能進行檢視的審判程序都變成強制辯護的案件\n333005\t358081\t認為這個勢必會造成在法院程序上增加審理期間這個更加全面延長的情況本來就非常吃緊的這個司法人力恐怕也會更加吃不消就剛剛陳儒剛剛那個那個次長您所說的部分那我想請教這個次長如何看待這個問題有沒有兼顧的方法可以來防止各位報告\n358561\t362483\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員\n374309\t382052\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n400899\t416392\t最近因為傳出檢察官在開庭的途中突然脫掉這個法袍離開的這個消息離開那個法庭的消息後來我們從這個裁定書以及法院和檢察官本人的回覆可以初步瞭解\n416892\t433011\t是因為當天這個檢察官身體不舒服要去看醫生並不希望能夠獲得正常的並且希望能夠獲得這個正常的休息時間那這一起案件啟動了這個行政調查在調查之後\n433812\t447896\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第\n457878\t463939\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會\n478763\t481365\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n502401\t512653\t這個顯然除了這個案件之外還有其他的因素讓檢察官這個被感疲勞我想對於過勞司法的部分這個本委員會也有召開過公聽會的討論我們在討論打詐的同時也應該一併\n517863\t542281\t這個考慮到人力的問題有健全的司法工作環境才有打擊詐騙的能力這個次長您認同嗎?所以我希望說對於我們這個檢察官的部分除了剛剛講的這個個案以外我也希望說我們對於其他的這個檢察官應該要去檢視他們在工作上的那種壓力的問題讓他們有舒緩的情況好以上謝謝好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那有請我們法務部黃次長好麻煩次長好次長早委員早我們今天要併案審查的法案當中那個包含我們刑法第三百三十九條、三百三十九之三、三百三十九之四條的這個修正草案那也就是有關我們普通這個詐欺罪還有電腦詐欺罪還有加重詐欺罪的部分\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法\n但是從這個網路媒體昨天公布的這個民調當中我們可以觀察到當下民眾最在乎也最擔憂的還是詐騙防治的相關問題啦齁那我們今天看到許多的草案是針對行者的加重希望這個\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12\n那從這個防治到這後來的這個追審都是重要的後面的被害人的資產返還回復都是很重要的好因為防範犯罪應該是這個防範勝於懲罰啦我我相信這是大家都認同的啦\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n所以也有委員提案將投資詐騙列為這個詐欺加重的\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12\n各位報告投資詐騙他現在的確是在我們相關電災案件算一個最高比例的案件數那至於是不是應該要把投資犯詐騙這一個把他獨立成一個刑罰呢那從法務部的角度來看我們在打詐專法裡面已經把你的詐騙的金額超過一千萬這種高額的投資詐騙我們已經把他列為一種獨立的刑罰可處三年以上四年以下有期徒刑事實上我們在打詐專法就這一塊高額詐欺的部分我們是已經有獨立刑罰的加重處罰規定\n那如果我們不要去設定一個金額勒市長您剛剛說是一千萬以上對那對於好剛好九百萬的我們就認為說這不符合這個條件我覺得也不公平但是我們在打詐專法裡面加重的要件有各種要件那投資金額超過一千萬十之其中的一種犯罪類型如果你有其他的複合式的犯罪他有可能構成加重的另外一種獨立犯罪類型\n對於這種加重的情形我想請教就是說司法院所提的書面報告裡面對於草案當中將339條之四的第一項一年以上七年以下提高到三年以上十年以下提出疑慮因為不能進行檢視的審判程序都變成強制辯護的案件\n認為這個勢必會造成在法院程序上增加審理期間這個更加全面延長的情況本來就非常吃緊的這個司法人力恐怕也會更加吃不消就剛剛陳儒剛剛那個那個次長您所說的部分那我想請教這個次長如何看待這個問題有沒有兼顧的方法可以來防止各位報告\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n最近因為傳出檢察官在開庭的途中突然脫掉這個法袍離開的這個消息離開那個法庭的消息後來我們從這個裁定書以及法院和檢察官本人的回覆可以初步瞭解\n是因為當天這個檢察官身體不舒服要去看醫生並不希望能夠獲得正常的並且希望能夠獲得這個正常的休息時間那這一起案件啟動了這個行政調查在調查之後\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第\n民國刑法第三百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