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00:00:07,667\n謝謝主席我想要請那個外交部的常務次長陳次長請外交部陳常次\n\n2\n00:00:13,592 --> 00:00:26,926\n市長您好,很快就要520了那大家呢都很期待說有怎麼樣的一些國際的貴賓會一起來觀禮那我想要請問一下在歐洲國家當中官員最高層級會來到520的這個就職典禮是怎麼樣的一個層級?\n\n3\n00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:46,084\n各位委員報告的確我們在歐洲有一個邦交國就是教廷他們會派特使另外沒有邦交的國家大部分我想是國會議員這些政要朋友會來參加\n\n4\n00:00:48,406 --> 00:01:08,116\n邦交的國家是可以說明的嗎?還是他不方便在這裡說明?根據我們最新的各個外管報告的資料,因為還有很多細節的安排,形成的這些安排,所以在最後細節都確定之後,外交部會事實跟國人說明。\n\n5\n00:01:08,516 --> 00:01:37,398\n那在美國方面目前共和黨跟民主黨正在舉行2024年的總統而共和黨在做初選那2024年今年也會是他們的這個選舉年看起來很有可能是川普對決拜登那在這個有消息指出川普執政時期的前美國國務卿蓬佩奧5月17號要來到台灣請問外交部有所掌握嗎這一點我可不可以請貝比斯司長待會說\n\n6\n00:01:39,676 --> 00:02:04,905\n我們這邊對於外賓的來訪是都有掌握的那昨天蓬佩奧他應該也是在公開活動裡面有提到這一段所以蓬佩奧會來他有對外這樣表示對他有對外這樣表示那我們這裡接獲的訊息呢因為他如果表示了但是我們這裡有沒有接到訊息才是我想要關心的重點我不關心他說了什麼我關心我們接到的情節是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:05,405 --> 00:02:09,387\n蓬佩奧一度被認為是2024年共和黨總統候選人的熱門人選當然他上個月已經宣布他不會被參選提名了\n\n8\n00:02:26,134 --> 00:02:48,509\n但是川普可能還是要繼續的參選我們除了共和黨之外在民主黨部分像是羅森伯格或者是一些跟我們比較有交情的政治人物也會來會不會擔心說共和黨跟民主黨都來在這個部分台灣會必須面臨到選邊站的難度\n\n9\n00:02:51,431 --> 00:03:07,716\n昨天晚上其實美國在台協會也已經有宣佈就是美國有一個特使團會來台灣那這個特使團他就是一個跨黨派的一個慶賀團來出席我們的總統就職典禮所以是跨黨派的所以剛剛談到的蓬佩奧如果來到台灣的話他是要來參加520賴清德總統準總統的就職典禮嗎\n\n10\n00:03:15,732 --> 00:03:35,672\n在這段時間來到台灣的外賓如果表達說希望能夠參加一些就職的活動的話我們只要能夠accommodate的我們也都很歡迎好的謝謝那另外呢我想要詢問齁那因為最近外交部有對我提告那這個我今天不談個人的個案齁我們談的是通案\n\n11\n00:03:36,412 --> 00:04:03,360\n因為我們現在的外交部跟很多的友邦都有簽這些MOU等等相關的這些文件那先前我有向外交部所知外交部提供給我的說法是說我們一向來都是把這個列為公文書的一般的密件我想要請問以通案來說MOU相關的資訊列為密件這件事情的法源依據是依照哪一條法律?\n\n12\n00:04:05,901 --> 00:04:26,466\n因為我們目前有12個邦交國但是我們在國外有100多個管處那很多的關係的維持當然並不一定有正式官方外交關係是的確那所以因為就是沒有官方關係那我們有些時候當然都有設代表處的也有沒設代表處有監俠的所以您剛剛委員提示的重點是說\n\n13\n00:04:27,506 --> 00:04:29,287\n不是的,那是你們去簽MOU的時候的情況。我的意思是說,你們簽完一些MOU可能會送到立法院來做備查。\n\n14\n00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:51,101\n通案上回答就可以了。\n\n15\n00:05:06,806 --> 00:05:36,000\n如果通案而言因為涉及國家利益、外交利益或者說有機密程度那麼就比如說我們以國家機密保護法或者說條約締結法相關的任何法令其實一般的我們不談國家機密保護法因為我們剛剛談的是文書處理文件的一般密等國家機密保護法它有另外一個要需要核定的部分我剛剛問的問題是關於密等文件的一般文書處理的密等\n\n16\n00:05:36,480 --> 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