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00:01:39,268\n右邊上方健全制度增加使用的誘因跟下方完善電能補充的基礎設置是不是能先來說一下增加了什麼誘因對於我們這樣的這個所謂的客運的業者公車的業者現在增加了誘因的情況有哪些方向請說明一下\n\n6\n00:01:42,269 --> 00:01:54,462\n這個部分大概跟委員這個報告一下就是說進行制度增加使用誘因的部分大概分兩塊第一塊從車輛的一個部分那車輛的部分的話就是提供這個就是電動車的購車的一個的補助盡量把這個就是說購買電動車透過補助他的價格跟燃油車的價格這個差不多\n\n7\n00:02:02,210 --> 00:02:03,111\n公路系統道路及橋梁安全改善辦理情形\n\n8\n00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:40,496\n他基本上是有定一個比較高的一個這個費率然後透過補貼來這個就是說這個使用電動大客車這些客運業者的這個營收會這個比較好那另外我大概也跟委員報告就是說我們在3月份大概針對這個這一兩年推動這個電動公車的部分有辦有辦一個成果展\n\n9\n00:02:40,836 --> 00:03:04,557\n然後邀請各個科興集團來做他們的一個部分其實大家使用電動公車的這個部分的話大概有三大的面向第一個部分相關的能耗跟保養成本相對低那第二個部分的話大概使用這些相關電動車的路線基本上運量都有增加\n\n10\n00:03:05,677 --> 00:03:33,130\n市長現在一台電動客運這個大車要多少錢市場價目前這個電動大車的一個這個價格的部分的話大概980到1050大概你做市長做幾年跟委員報告大概兩年多兩年多嗎那我們市長過去很早就在公務總局那你五年前一台多少錢\n\n11\n00:03:36,365 --> 00:03:38,852\n也差不多這個價錢大概5年前的話大概是1200萬1200萬那10年前勒\n\n12\n00:03:48,105 --> 00:04:09,642\n國內開始推電動大概是民國九十幾年大概幾年的時候這個補助其實不用電車的這個一輛他會直接跟油車很接近你們有沒有這個預估我現在已經看到了你們媒體大家也看到了在叫車的部分吶那嚇死人吶那特斯拉都不知道怎麼辦因為很多國家的發展\n\n13\n00:04:10,863 --> 00:04:38,392\n品質性能一樣的可能只要特斯拉三分之一的電車價錢所以這個一個趨勢我是覺得怎麼樣去推動讓我們所有的一個業者來使用的方便性我看到你們2030年定的一個目標我自己覺得顯然是碰到一些的困難那因為從2020年你們預定的目標是937這個是你們累計的希望的目標數一直上面\n\n14\n00:04:39,292 --> 00:04:39,552\n李卓人議員\n\n15\n00:05:04,133 --> 00:05:08,619\n有沒有信心因為現在看這樣的2023年的目標2023年目標距離還是蠻大的所以未來會你們預估會快速成長是不是這樣的是跟我們報告對於這個就是2030年達到11700這一個有沒有信心啊我們有信心審慎樂觀\n\n16\n00:05:23,397 --> 00:05:47,840\n那今年大概就是這個縫隙大概1300輛的部分其實大概公總到現在已經合定將近1200萬的1200輛的一個這個數量了那後面我跟委員報告大概就是說去年跟今年之間其實是有部分業者在做這一個觀望啦\n\n17\n00:05:48,140 --> 00:05:48,841\n公路系統道路及橋梁安全改善辦理情形\n\n18\n00:06:12,633 --> 00:06:34,905\n陸綫不斷說陸綫不斷的說不斷說很多惡性循環正在發生司機找不到不斷惡性循環所以事實上我們聽到了部分的業者反映到我們這邊那我們在電車這個部分我們看到高雄客運台中客運桃園交通局他們有很多一些問題包括在早期的\n\n19\n00:06:35,902 --> 00:07:01,094\n第一期第二代的一個車輛事實上它的這個電池衰退的時間比預期的快很多那當然最後一個就是充電站充電站有一些問題我覺得你這個充電的一個場域現在在過去市區公車來講他們為了發車方便在市區通常是比較精華區他都有他的停車場\n\n20\n00:07:02,034 --> 00:07:02,695\n法定人數不足\n\n21\n00:07:21,736 --> 00:07:22,056\n李卓人議員\n\n22\n00:07:44,940 --> 00:07:47,403\n市長他們現在電車如果他們的場域很遠這個會遇到這樣的一個問題你們有沒有聽到他們的一個反應\n\n23\n00:07:59,957 --> 00:08:27,757\n市長跟委員報告在一開始的時候推的時候是有這樣的尤其像當時在臺北市有幾個地方有這個問題但是剛才我已經說明過了有關充電的臺電的電量的這樣的一個補充的系統其實我們第一個有要求公路局跟臺電要有一個對應的窗口那另外也要求地方政府要協助幫業者去找相關的一個地那其實也有這樣的一個\n\n24\n00:08:28,117 --> 00:08:42,173\n你剛剛講的後面這個,這是重點啦,這真的啦,真的你們不幫忙他,包括有一重化區如果長期沒有用的,你們真的不幫忙這些業者,他真的是活不下去啦,你好歹一個位置要停,最後啦,不耽誤時間啦,\n\n25\n00:08:43,334 --> 00:09:04,995\n台電充電站要現在設立我們現在每次見到台電的成型還真的越來越多就是它一個規劃設計就耗費可能半年一年那有一些地方他們要設這個充電站這個時間會拖得很久我要拜託你交通部在這個領域要跟我們經濟部他們來做一個協調\n\n26\n00:09:06,076 --> 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因為現在看這樣的2023年的目標2023年目標 距離還是蠻大的所以未來會 你們預估會快速成長 是不是這樣的是 跟我們報告對於這個就是2030年達到11700這一個 有沒有信心啊我們有信心 審慎樂觀\n323397\t347840\t那今年大概就是這個縫隙大概1300輛的部分其實大概公總到現在已經合定將近1200萬的1200輛的一個這個數量了那後面我跟委員報告大概就是說去年跟今年之間其實是有部分業者在做這一個觀望啦\n348140\t348841\t公路系統道路及橋梁安全改善辦理情形\n372633\t394905\t陸綫不斷說陸綫不斷的說不斷說很多惡性循環正在發生司機找不到不斷惡性循環所以事實上我們聽到了部分的業者反映到我們這邊那我們在電車這個部分我們看到高雄客運台中客運桃園交通局他們有很多一些問題包括在早期的\n395902\t421094\t第一期第二代的一個車輛事實上它的這個電池衰退的時間比預期的快很多那當然最後一個就是充電站充電站有一些問題我覺得你這個充電的一個場域現在在過去市區公車來講他們為了發車方便在市區通常是比較精華區他都有他的停車場\n422034\t422695\t法定人數不足\n441736\t442056\t李卓人議員\n464940\t467403\t市長 他們現在電車 如果他們的場域很遠 這個會遇到這樣的一個問題 你們有沒有聽到他們的一個反應\n479957\t507757\t市長跟委員報告在一開始的時候推的時候是有這樣的尤其像當時在臺北市有幾個地方有這個問題但是剛才我已經說明過了有關充電的臺電的電量的這樣的一個補充的系統其實我們第一個有要求公路局跟臺電要有一個對應的窗口那另外也要求地方政府要協助幫業者去找相關的一個地那其實也有這樣的一個\n508117\t522173\t你剛剛講的後面這個,這是重點啦,這真的啦,真的你們不幫忙他,包括有一重化區如果長期沒有用的,你們真的不幫忙這些業者,他真的是活不下去啦,你好歹一個位置要停,最後啦,不耽誤時間啦,\n523334\t544995\t台電充電站要現在設立我們現在每次見到台電的成型還真的越來越多就是它一個規劃設計就耗費可能半年一年那有一些地方他們要設這個充電站這個時間會拖得很久我要拜託你交通部在這個領域要跟我們經濟部他們來做一個協調\n546076\t554113\t不要都丟給業者單獨在求單獨來拜託民意代表這個部分我要拜託你好不好這樣才能加速推動\n","txt":"好謝謝主席有請陳次長請次長還有我們公務局陳局長委員好好次長局長好\n這我今天要問的問題主要是針對於我們現在因為我看全世界對於電動不管大車小車大家在技術層面是爭先恐後真的是我看很多國家的產品包括很多車廠的產品不管從轎車也好甚至有到大車的部分甚至電動的貨車\n李卓人議員\n主席\n右邊上方健全制度增加使用的誘因跟下方完善電能補充的基礎設置是不是能先來說一下增加了什麼誘因對於我們這樣的這個所謂的客運的業者公車的業者現在增加了誘因的情況有哪些方向請說明一下\n這個部分大概跟委員這個報告一下就是說進行制度增加使用誘因的部分大概分兩塊第一塊從車輛的一個部分那車輛的部分的話就是提供這個就是電動車的購車的一個的補助盡量把這個就是說購買電動車透過補助他的價格跟燃油車的價格這個差不多\n公路系統道路及橋梁安全改善辦理情形\n他基本上是有定一個比較高的一個這個費率然後透過補貼來這個就是說這個使用電動大客車這些客運業者的這個營收會這個比較好那另外我大概也跟委員報告就是說我們在3月份大概針對這個這一兩年推動這個電動公車的部分有辦有辦一個成果展\n然後邀請各個科興集團來做他們的一個部分其實大家使用電動公車的這個部分的話大概有三大的面向第一個部分相關的能耗跟保養成本相對低那第二個部分的話大概使用這些相關電動車的路線基本上運量都有增加\n市長現在一台電動客運這個大車要多少錢市場價目前這個電動大車的一個這個價格的部分的話大概980到1050大概你做市長做幾年跟委員報告大概兩年多兩年多嗎那我們市長過去很早就在公務總局那你五年前一台多少錢\n也差不多這個價錢大概5年前的話大概是1200萬1200萬那10年前勒\n國內開始推電動大概是民國九十幾年大概幾年的時候這個補助其實不用電車的這個一輛他會直接跟油車很接近你們有沒有這個預估我現在已經看到了你們媒體大家也看到了在叫車的部分吶那嚇死人吶那特斯拉都不知道怎麼辦因為很多國家的發展\n品質性能一樣的可能只要特斯拉三分之一的電車價錢所以這個一個趨勢我是覺得怎麼樣去推動讓我們所有的一個業者來使用的方便性我看到你們2030年定的一個目標我自己覺得顯然是碰到一些的困難那因為從2020年你們預定的目標是937這個是你們累計的希望的目標數一直上面\n李卓人議員\n有沒有信心 因為現在看這樣的2023年的目標2023年目標 距離還是蠻大的所以未來會 你們預估會快速成長 是不是這樣的是 跟我們報告對於這個就是2030年達到11700這一個 有沒有信心啊我們有信心 審慎樂觀\n那今年大概就是這個縫隙大概1300輛的部分其實大概公總到現在已經合定將近1200萬的1200輛的一個這個數量了那後面我跟委員報告大概就是說去年跟今年之間其實是有部分業者在做這一個觀望啦\n公路系統道路及橋梁安全改善辦理情形\n陸綫不斷說陸綫不斷的說不斷說很多惡性循環正在發生司機找不到不斷惡性循環所以事實上我們聽到了部分的業者反映到我們這邊那我們在電車這個部分我們看到高雄客運台中客運桃園交通局他們有很多一些問題包括在早期的\n第一期第二代的一個車輛事實上它的這個電池衰退的時間比預期的快很多那當然最後一個就是充電站充電站有一些問題我覺得你這個充電的一個場域現在在過去市區公車來講他們為了發車方便在市區通常是比較精華區他都有他的停車場\n法定人數不足\n李卓人議員\n市長 他們現在電車 如果他們的場域很遠 這個會遇到這樣的一個問題 你們有沒有聽到他們的一個反應\n市長跟委員報告在一開始的時候推的時候是有這樣的尤其像當時在臺北市有幾個地方有這個問題但是剛才我已經說明過了有關充電的臺電的電量的這樣的一個補充的系統其實我們第一個有要求公路局跟臺電要有一個對應的窗口那另外也要求地方政府要協助幫業者去找相關的一個地那其實也有這樣的一個\n你剛剛講的後面這個,這是重點啦,這真的啦,真的你們不幫忙他,包括有一重化區如果長期沒有用的,你們真的不幫忙這些業者,他真的是活不下去啦,你好歹一個位置要停,最後啦,不耽誤時間啦,\n台電充電站要現在設立我們現在每次見到台電的成型還真的越來越多就是它一個規劃設計就耗費可能半年一年那有一些地方他們要設這個充電站這個時間會拖得很久我要拜託你交通部在這個領域要跟我們經濟部他們來做一個協調\n不要都丟給業者單獨在求單獨來拜託民意代表這個部分我要拜託你好不好這樣才能加速推動\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:12.565\n好謝謝主席有請陳次長請次長還有我們公務局陳局長委員好好次長局長好\n\n00:14.694 --> 00:35.261\n這我今天要問的問題主要是針對於我們現在因為我看全世界對於電動不管大車小車大家在技術層面是爭先恐後真的是我看很多國家的產品包括很多車廠的產品不管從轎車也好甚至有到大車的部分甚至電動的貨車\n\n00:37.262 --> 00:37.782\n李卓人議員\n\n00:59.991 --> 01:00.131\n主席\n\n01:18.524 --> 01:39.268\n右邊上方健全制度增加使用的誘因跟下方完善電能補充的基礎設置是不是能先來說一下增加了什麼誘因對於我們這樣的這個所謂的客運的業者公車的業者現在增加了誘因的情況有哪些方向請說明一下\n\n01:42.269 --> 01:54.462\n這個部分大概跟委員這個報告一下就是說進行制度增加使用誘因的部分大概分兩塊第一塊從車輛的一個部分那車輛的部分的話就是提供這個就是電動車的購車的一個的補助盡量把這個就是說購買電動車透過補助他的價格跟燃油車的價格這個差不多\n\n02:02.210 --> 02:03.111\n公路系統道路及橋梁安全改善辦理情形\n\n02:19.040 --> 02:40.496\n他基本上是有定一個比較高的一個這個費率然後透過補貼來這個就是說這個使用電動大客車這些客運業者的這個營收會這個比較好那另外我大概也跟委員報告就是說我們在3月份大概針對這個這一兩年推動這個電動公車的部分有辦有辦一個成果展\n\n02:40.836 --> 03:04.557\n然後邀請各個科興集團來做他們的一個部分其實大家使用電動公車的這個部分的話大概有三大的面向第一個部分相關的能耗跟保養成本相對低那第二個部分的話大概使用這些相關電動車的路線基本上運量都有增加\n\n03:05.677 --> 03:33.130\n市長現在一台電動客運這個大車要多少錢市場價目前這個電動大車的一個這個價格的部分的話大概980到1050大概你做市長做幾年跟委員報告大概兩年多兩年多嗎那我們市長過去很早就在公務總局那你五年前一台多少錢\n\n03:36.365 --> 03:38.852\n也差不多這個價錢大概5年前的話大概是1200萬1200萬那10年前勒\n\n03:48.105 --> 04:09.642\n國內開始推電動大概是民國九十幾年大概幾年的時候這個補助其實不用電車的這個一輛他會直接跟油車很接近你們有沒有這個預估我現在已經看到了你們媒體大家也看到了在叫車的部分吶那嚇死人吶那特斯拉都不知道怎麼辦因為很多國家的發展\n\n04:10.863 --> 04:38.392\n品質性能一樣的可能只要特斯拉三分之一的電車價錢所以這個一個趨勢我是覺得怎麼樣去推動讓我們所有的一個業者來使用的方便性我看到你們2030年定的一個目標我自己覺得顯然是碰到一些的困難那因為從2020年你們預定的目標是937這個是你們累計的希望的目標數一直上面\n\n04:39.292 --> 04:39.552\n李卓人議員\n\n05:04.133 --> 05:08.619\n有沒有信心因為現在看這樣的2023年的目標2023年目標距離還是蠻大的所以未來會你們預估會快速成長是不是這樣的是跟我們報告對於這個就是2030年達到11700這一個有沒有信心啊我們有信心審慎樂觀\n\n05:23.397 --> 05:47.840\n那今年大概就是這個縫隙大概1300輛的部分其實大概公總到現在已經合定將近1200萬的1200輛的一個這個數量了那後面我跟委員報告大概就是說去年跟今年之間其實是有部分業者在做這一個觀望啦\n\n05:48.140 --> 05:48.841\n公路系統道路及橋梁安全改善辦理情形\n\n06:12.633 --> 06:34.905\n陸綫不斷說陸綫不斷的說不斷說很多惡性循環正在發生司機找不到不斷惡性循環所以事實上我們聽到了部分的業者反映到我們這邊那我們在電車這個部分我們看到高雄客運台中客運桃園交通局他們有很多一些問題包括在早期的\n\n06:35.902 --> 07:01.094\n第一期第二代的一個車輛事實上它的這個電池衰退的時間比預期的快很多那當然最後一個就是充電站充電站有一些問題我覺得你這個充電的一個場域現在在過去市區公車來講他們為了發車方便在市區通常是比較精華區他都有他的停車場\n\n07:02.034 --> 07:02.695\n法定人數不足\n\n07:21.736 --> 07:22.056\n李卓人議員\n\n07:44.940 --> 07:47.403\n市長他們現在電車如果他們的場域很遠這個會遇到這樣的一個問題你們有沒有聽到他們的一個反應\n\n07:59.957 --> 08:27.757\n市長跟委員報告在一開始的時候推的時候是有這樣的尤其像當時在臺北市有幾個地方有這個問題但是剛才我已經說明過了有關充電的臺電的電量的這樣的一個補充的系統其實我們第一個有要求公路局跟臺電要有一個對應的窗口那另外也要求地方政府要協助幫業者去找相關的一個地那其實也有這樣的一個\n\n08:28.117 --> 08:42.173\n你剛剛講的後面這個,這是重點啦,這真的啦,真的你們不幫忙他,包括有一重化區如果長期沒有用的,你們真的不幫忙這些業者,他真的是活不下去啦,你好歹一個位置要停,最後啦,不耽誤時間啦,\n\n08:43.334 --> 09:04.995\n台電充電站要現在設立我們現在每次見到台電的成型還真的越來越多就是它一個規劃設計就耗費可能半年一年那有一些地方他們要設這個充電站這個時間會拖得很久我要拜託你交通部在這個領域要跟我們經濟部他們來做一個協調\n\n09:06.076 --> 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