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00:01:41,760\n所以你有偷看我的簡報囉,我就在說你們國發會就是有一個中長程個案計畫的編審要點是不是?所以應該要有這個程序嘛,按照計畫需求、可行性、協調還有看效果,這效果當中除了注意社會效果、經濟效果還有財政效益跟成本效益比對不對?\n\n6\n00:01:42,680 --> 00:02:01,352\n還有兼顧到國家安全、社會經濟跟自然環境性別等。」是不是這樣的意思?那請問您認為目前我們看到中長城計畫的審議要素,這些要素當中,剛所羅列的要素當中,目前我們的離島建設基金各項補助計畫有沒有擬具完整的需求性評估還有可行應研究及綜合規劃報告?\n\n7\n00:02:02,765 --> 00:02:20,543\n報告委員因為離島基金的部分我們都有一個中長期四年期間的一個綜合方案那這個綜合方案我們擬定了方向然後會跟地方政府共同討論那地方政府會依據這個方向擬出他們的優先順序出來然後我們經過審議以後然後來執行\n\n8\n00:02:22,765 --> 00:02:50,552\n所以目前有按照您所說的方式在離島建設基金的各樣補充有這樣去做那未來不管是不是離島建設基金還是其他類似的像花中建設也應該準用這個方法來執行是是是本來就有一套的這個程序在進行那我們來看一下那麼目前離島重大建設投資計畫的核定標準這第五條他說這些東西都要有行政院核定那目前是否目前在執行當中都是要由行政院來核定\n\n9\n00:02:51,420 --> 00:03:06,054\n目前的計畫是代行政院合訂的。好,那我們來看一下,那你們合訂的這個金額要如何審議?是考量到它的人口數還是地域面積還是財政狀況?包括以離島、以花東或其他的為例,你們怎麼來衡量?\n\n10\n00:03:06,533 --> 00:03:08,675\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第13條條文修正草案：審查：\n\n11\n00:03:28,954 --> 00:03:46,491\n已經有好幾期,現在已經到第五期了嘛,第六期了嘛所以過去的經驗我們大概也都知道每一個離島他的這個執行能量有多少那這個綜合考量以後我們就可以排優先順序怎麼樣來先做所以還是要由中央有一個委員會來進行審議是是是好我們來看一下\n\n12\n00:03:47,412 --> 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