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00:00:52,652\n部長我在五月六號十天前你出國前我有特別提到問到國債中的問題那國債中在今年是達到六兆三千五百二十八億元我們的債務的未償餘額那每個人負擔是27.1萬元\n\n4\n00:00:59,055 --> 00:01:08,943\n部長當時你提到說5月之後因為我們會有眾所稅啊所得稅我們陸陸續續會還債那你回答我說國債的問題會逐步趨緩你還有印象嗎部長那你知道今年5月15號我們國庫署發布的國債中的訊息我們現在的國債中達到多少\n\n5\n00:01:24,056 --> 00:01:38,309\n委員報告啊最新的我們的5月10號的國債中市到27萬4千元那也跟委員報告部長這是不是歷史新高啊跟委員報告一下啊那個部長我先問你\n\n6\n00:01:39,210 --> 00:01:46,453\n過去有達到27.4萬元這麼高的數字嗎?在去年這個時候是27.2萬所以是比去年高好所以這個27.4萬元它是不是一個歷史新高的數字跟委員報告國債中這個部分國債中是涵蓋了長債跟短債我知道不知道有6年以上要還有5年以上要還有一年之內要還的\n\n7\n00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:33,107\n那27.4萬元它是不是一個歷史新高的數字你回答我是或不是確實是比往之前的國債中的數字來的高但是也跟委員報告歷年來在上半年的部分國債中都會比較高你要回答我5月6月的時候它就會下降部長因為5月6月有大筆的稅款入賬這個我都期待部長不要浪費我的時間部長是\n\n8\n00:02:34,767 --> 00:02:50,918\n你聽我講完我都知道你五月要還債但是跟同期比照它就是一個歷史新高的數字對不對對比去年的27.2萬高了2000這個是那一年來過去從來沒有這麼高嘛之前27.1萬是最高27.22然後今年我問你的時候是27.1現在達到27.4萬它是一個歷史新高\n\n9\n00:03:04,807 --> 00:03:31,045\n這不可否認數字寫在眼前我都知道每一年每一年都是五月的時候我們都在還債這個我很清楚但是跟同期相比它就是一個歷史新高的數字對那我們會在五月六月會再大筆稅款進來我們會優先的還債那這個數字呢就會往下降那往年來說在第一季跟五月之前都是比較高的所以國債中基本上它是一個浮動變動性的是那在今年呢這個我清楚但是但是國債的狀況\n\n10\n00:03:34,667 --> 00:03:57,479\n但是陳建仁說我們的國家財政狀況越來越好這個陳建仁所說的財政越來越好難道就是陳內閣蔡英文送給臺灣人的畢業禮物嗎?今天才去拍畢業照片我們的國債週在5月10日5月14日達到歷史的新高\n\n11\n00:04:14,526 --> 00:04:39,966\n短期融資在國庫的調度上是有必要的所以在短債的部分會有增加但是我們會盡快的還債讓國債中下降而且實際債務比例是26.5%是非常低的財政的狀況你怎麼去處理那是你的財政手段但是健全跟有紀律的財政關係在我看來我監督單位這影響到整體的社會正義\n\n12\n00:04:41,209 --> 00:04:41,229\n委員（\n\n13\n00:04:58,698 --> 00:05:13,557\n就是說我覺得我看到今年國債中達到27.4萬元了這是蔡政府留下歷史新高的國債紀錄這個絕對是一個不及格的成績單這個也提醒你因為你接下來包括兩位次長是留任的\n\n14\n00:05:14,478 --> 00:05:43,132\n數字寫在眼前部長那我第二個問題因為我今天時間很少我還是要問一下你去亞營的事情因為在亞營我關注到就是說今年在喬治亞舉辦那你也提到就是說強化氣候融資的問題這個問題其實我非常感興趣那未來我覺得有時間你還在位子上所以我們還有機會好好來討論那部長你擔任部長之後你代表我們參加了幾次的亞營\n\n15\n00:05:44,467 --> 00:05:47,090\n我們總共有多少這個會員國裡面有多少成員體在裡頭有60幾國60幾個68個會員國喔好好終於搞清楚了好部長那這個會員國裡面我們邦交國有幾個\n\n16\n00:06:06,633 --> 00:06:09,858\n部長!你對於我們參加的名稱你滿不滿意?部長!你不要跟我報告!\n\n17\n00:06:21,912 --> 00:06:47,377\n我們這一次要去我們歷年參加WHA參加聯合國相關的組織我們都希望我們的邦交國我們有跟我們友好的國家幫我們發聲我請問你剛才提到對於我們當時在57年的前我們參加的時候我們是創始會員國我們是用中華民國的名義參加這麼多年來今年美國也說要支持我們參加國際的組織或\n\n18\n00:06:50,117 --> 00:07:16,350\n我們更名是我們期望的但在這件事情上今年你第二次參加我們做了什麼第一個我們在你有沒有跟會員國你有沒有跟我們邦交國聯繫希望他幫我們提案我們要更名有沒有我們絕對有提我們在理事年會強烈的表達對這件事情的不滿因為我們認為今年嗎今年去年都有我們持續的表達你參加了嗎那你有跟他們溝通嗎做了什麼他們有作證提案嗎\n\n19\n00:07:17,991 --> 00:07:20,595\n首先,我覺得這是一個長期性的問題,我們要表達我們的立場。\n\n20\n00:07:35,816 --> 00:07:53,055\n我不完全責怪你,所以我今天問說外交部在這件事情上有做什麼事情嗎?如果會員成員體裡面有我們三個包家國今年做了什麼事情我在新聞上媒體上都沒有看到\n\n21\n00:07:54,256 --> 00:08:11,208\n連你都答不出來到底裡面會員成員體裡面到底有我們幾個邦交國我對於今年更名這件事情整體我們的行政部門外交部跟您這邊的努力我就會有很多的問號部長因為所有我們參加的這個相關的國際的活動裡面\n\n22\n00:08:13,129 --> 00:08:38,725\n我相信亞營在名稱上對我們是最不好的一個名稱我想你非常清楚是理解我想這個我們的態度跟立場在理事年會我們都有強烈的聲明同時我們要更重要的是我們要有實質的交流跟合作讓在我們在亞營裡面實質的交流合作我們當然能夠發揮我們的力量但是長期更名是我們重要的目標那是的\n\n23\n00:08:39,025 --> 00:09:05,973\n外交部每年喊得那麼大聲無論參加WHA參加國際型的組織但是我非常遺憾的我今年沒有看到任何外交部的活動相關的努力在裡頭所以我不知道外交部到底有做什麼在我從媒體上看到是零是沒有到底我們的邦交國有沒有幫我們發言你連邦交國有三個國家在成員體裡面你都搞不清楚所以我對於這一次\n\n24\n00:09:07,284 --> 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理解我想這個我們的態度跟立場在理事年會我們都有強烈的聲明同時我們要更重要的是我們要有實質的交流跟合作讓在我們在亞營裡面實質的交流合作我們當然能夠發揮我們的力量但是長期更名是我們重要的目標那是的\n519025\t545973\t外交部每年喊得那麼大聲無論參加WHA參加國際型的組織但是我非常遺憾的我今年沒有看到任何外交部的活動相關的努力在裡頭所以我不知道外交部到底有做什麼在我從媒體上看到是零是沒有到底我們的邦交國有沒有幫我們發言你連邦交國有三個國家在成員體裡面你都搞不清楚所以我對於這一次\n547284\t562587\t要更名也好在接下來我們希望邦交國幫我們努力也好我覺得外交部在這件事情上是不及格的層級我們都要一起努力的我想這個部分我們都會繼續做是我們在理事年會也明確的表達我們的立場跟態度\n562867\t563047\t李彥秀\n","txt":"部長剛才去拍這一屆整體內閣的畢業照對不對?\n今天還是院會陳院長主持的最後一次院會最後一次的畢業照我也拉一段話陳院長在院會上提到的一段話他提到說我們國內的經濟穩健成長我們帶動稅收持續增加可以落實政府各項支出檢討的情況下國家的財政是持續改善這個是在今年4月18日說的\n部長我在五月六號十天前你出國前我有特別提到問到國債中的問題那國債中在今年是達到六兆三千五百二十八億元我們的債務的未償餘額那每個人負擔是27.1萬元\n部長當時你提到說5月之後因為我們會有眾所稅啊所得稅我們陸陸續續會還債那你回答我說國債的問題會逐步趨緩你還有印象嗎部長那你知道今年5月15號我們國庫署發布的國債中的訊息我們現在的國債中達到多少\n委員報告啊最新的我們的5月10號的國債中市到27萬4千元那也跟委員報告部長這是不是歷史新高啊跟委員報告一下啊那個部長我先問你\n過去有達到27.4萬元這麼高的數字嗎?在去年這個時候是27.2萬所以是比去年高好所以這個27.4萬元它是不是一個歷史新高的數字跟委員報告國債中這個部分國債中是涵蓋了長債跟短債我知道不知道有6年以上要還有5年以上要還有一年之內要還的\n那27.4萬元它是不是一個歷史新高的數字你回答我是或不是確實是比往之前的國債中的數字來的高但是也跟委員報告歷年來在上半年的部分國債中都會比較高你要回答我5月6月的時候它就會下降部長因為5月6月有大筆的稅款入賬這個我都期待部長不要浪費我的時間部長是\n你聽我講完我都知道你五月要還債但是跟同期比照它就是一個歷史新高的數字對不對對比去年的27.2萬高了2000這個是那一年來過去從來沒有這麼高嘛之前27.1萬是最高27.22然後今年我問你的時候是27.1現在達到27.4萬它是一個歷史新高\n這不可否認數字寫在眼前我都知道每一年每一年都是五月的時候我們都在還債這個我很清楚但是跟同期相比它就是一個歷史新高的數字對那我們會在五月六月會再大筆稅款進來我們會優先的還債那這個數字呢就會往下降那往年來說在第一季跟五月之前都是比較高的所以國債中基本上它是一個浮動變動性的是那在今年呢這個我清楚但是但是國債的狀況\n但是陳建仁說我們的國家財政狀況越來越好這個陳建仁所說的財政越來越好難道就是陳內閣蔡英文送給臺灣人的畢業禮物嗎?今天才去拍畢業照片我們的國債週在5月10日5月14日達到歷史的新高\n⋯⋯⋯⋯\n短期融資在國庫的調度上是有必要的所以在短債的部分會有增加但是我們會盡快的還債讓國債中下降而且實際債務比例是26.5%是非常低的財政的狀況你怎麼去處理那是你的財政手段但是健全跟有紀律的財政關係在我看來我監督單位這影響到整體的社會正義\n委員（\n就是說我覺得我看到今年國債中達到27.4萬元了這是蔡政府留下歷史新高的國債紀錄這個絕對是一個不及格的成績單這個也提醒你因為你接下來包括兩位次長是留任的\n數字寫在眼前部長那我第二個問題因為我今天時間很少我還是要問一下你去亞營的事情因為在亞營我關注到就是說今年在喬治亞舉辦那你也提到就是說強化氣候融資的問題這個問題其實我非常感興趣那未來我覺得有時間你還在位子上所以我們還有機會好好來討論那部長你擔任部長之後你代表我們參加了幾次的亞營\n我們總共有多少這個會員國裡面有多少成員體在裡頭有60幾國60幾個68個會員國喔好好終於搞清楚了好部長那這個會員國裡面我們邦交國有幾個\n部長!你對於我們參加的名稱你滿不滿意?部長!你不要跟我報告!\n我們這一次要去我們歷年參加WHA參加聯合國相關的組織我們都希望我們的邦交國我們有跟我們友好的國家幫我們發聲我請問你剛才提到對於我們當時在57年的前我們參加的時候我們是創始會員國我們是用中華民國的名義參加這麼多年來今年美國也說要支持我們參加國際的組織或\n我們更名是我們期望的但在這件事情上今年你第二次參加我們做了什麼第一個我們在你有沒有跟會員國你有沒有跟我們邦交國聯繫希望他幫我們提案我們要更名有沒有我們絕對有提我們在理事年會強烈的表達對這件事情的不滿因為我們認為今年嗎今年去年都有我們持續的表達你參加了嗎那你有跟他們溝通嗎做了什麼他們有作證提案嗎\n首先,我覺得這是一個長期性的問題,我們要表達我們的立場。\n我不完全責怪你,所以我今天問說外交部在這件事情上有做什麼事情嗎?如果會員成員體裡面有我們三個包家國今年做了什麼事情我在新聞上媒體上都沒有看到\n連你都答不出來到底裡面會員成員體裡面到底有我們幾個邦交國我對於今年更名這件事情整體我們的行政部門外交部跟您這邊的努力我就會有很多的問號部長因為所有我們參加的這個相關的國際的活動裡面\n我相信亞營在名稱上對我們是最不好的一個名稱我想你非常清楚是 理解我想這個我們的態度跟立場在理事年會我們都有強烈的聲明同時我們要更重要的是我們要有實質的交流跟合作讓在我們在亞營裡面實質的交流合作我們當然能夠發揮我們的力量但是長期更名是我們重要的目標那是的\n外交部每年喊得那麼大聲無論參加WHA參加國際型的組織但是我非常遺憾的我今年沒有看到任何外交部的活動相關的努力在裡頭所以我不知道外交部到底有做什麼在我從媒體上看到是零是沒有到底我們的邦交國有沒有幫我們發言你連邦交國有三個國家在成員體裡面你都搞不清楚所以我對於這一次\n要更名也好在接下來我們希望邦交國幫我們努力也好我覺得外交部在這件事情上是不及格的層級我們都要一起努力的我想這個部分我們都會繼續做是我們在理事年會也明確的表達我們的立場跟態度\n李彥秀\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.734 --> 00:02.518\n部長剛才去拍這一屆整體內閣的畢業照對不對?\n\n00:08.420 --> 00:35.685\n今天還是院會陳院長主持的最後一次院會最後一次的畢業照我也拉一段話陳院長在院會上提到的一段話他提到說我們國內的經濟穩健成長我們帶動稅收持續增加可以落實政府各項支出檢討的情況下國家的財政是持續改善這個是在今年4月18日說的\n\n00:37.305 --> 00:52.652\n部長我在五月六號十天前你出國前我有特別提到問到國債中的問題那國債中在今年是達到六兆三千五百二十八億元我們的債務的未償餘額那每個人負擔是27.1萬元\n\n00:59.055 --> 01:08.943\n部長當時你提到說5月之後因為我們會有眾所稅啊所得稅我們陸陸續續會還債那你回答我說國債的問題會逐步趨緩你還有印象嗎部長那你知道今年5月15號我們國庫署發布的國債中的訊息我們現在的國債中達到多少\n\n01:24.056 --> 01:38.309\n委員報告啊最新的我們的5月10號的國債中市到27萬4千元那也跟委員報告部長這是不是歷史新高啊跟委員報告一下啊那個部長我先問你\n\n01:39.210 --> 01:46.453\n過去有達到27.4萬元這麼高的數字嗎?在去年這個時候是27.2萬所以是比去年高好所以這個27.4萬元它是不是一個歷史新高的數字跟委員報告國債中這個部分國債中是涵蓋了長債跟短債我知道不知道有6年以上要還有5年以上要還有一年之內要還的\n\n02:08.220 --> 02:33.107\n那27.4萬元它是不是一個歷史新高的數字你回答我是或不是確實是比往之前的國債中的數字來的高但是也跟委員報告歷年來在上半年的部分國債中都會比較高你要回答我5月6月的時候它就會下降部長因為5月6月有大筆的稅款入賬這個我都期待部長不要浪費我的時間部長是\n\n02:34.767 --> 02:50.918\n你聽我講完我都知道你五月要還債但是跟同期比照它就是一個歷史新高的數字對不對對比去年的27.2萬高了2000這個是那一年來過去從來沒有這麼高嘛之前27.1萬是最高27.22然後今年我問你的時候是27.1現在達到27.4萬它是一個歷史新高\n\n03:04.807 --> 03:31.045\n這不可否認數字寫在眼前我都知道每一年每一年都是五月的時候我們都在還債這個我很清楚但是跟同期相比它就是一個歷史新高的數字對那我們會在五月六月會再大筆稅款進來我們會優先的還債那這個數字呢就會往下降那往年來說在第一季跟五月之前都是比較高的所以國債中基本上它是一個浮動變動性的是那在今年呢這個我清楚但是但是國債的狀況\n\n03:34.667 --> 03:57.479\n但是陳建仁說我們的國家財政狀況越來越好這個陳建仁所說的財政越來越好難道就是陳內閣蔡英文送給臺灣人的畢業禮物嗎?今天才去拍畢業照片我們的國債週在5月10日5月14日達到歷史的新高\n\n04:14.526 --> 04:39.966\n短期融資在國庫的調度上是有必要的所以在短債的部分會有增加但是我們會盡快的還債讓國債中下降而且實際債務比例是26.5%是非常低的財政的狀況你怎麼去處理那是你的財政手段但是健全跟有紀律的財政關係在我看來我監督單位這影響到整體的社會正義\n\n04:41.209 --> 04:41.229\n委員（\n\n04:58.698 --> 05:13.557\n就是說我覺得我看到今年國債中達到27.4萬元了這是蔡政府留下歷史新高的國債紀錄這個絕對是一個不及格的成績單這個也提醒你因為你接下來包括兩位次長是留任的\n\n05:14.478 --> 05:43.132\n數字寫在眼前部長那我第二個問題因為我今天時間很少我還是要問一下你去亞營的事情因為在亞營我關注到就是說今年在喬治亞舉辦那你也提到就是說強化氣候融資的問題這個問題其實我非常感興趣那未來我覺得有時間你還在位子上所以我們還有機會好好來討論那部長你擔任部長之後你代表我們參加了幾次的亞營\n\n05:44.467 --> 05:47.090\n我們總共有多少這個會員國裡面有多少成員體在裡頭有60幾國60幾個68個會員國喔好好終於搞清楚了好部長那這個會員國裡面我們邦交國有幾個\n\n06:06.633 --> 06:09.858\n部長!你對於我們參加的名稱你滿不滿意?部長!你不要跟我報告!\n\n06:21.912 --> 06:47.377\n我們這一次要去我們歷年參加WHA參加聯合國相關的組織我們都希望我們的邦交國我們有跟我們友好的國家幫我們發聲我請問你剛才提到對於我們當時在57年的前我們參加的時候我們是創始會員國我們是用中華民國的名義參加這麼多年來今年美國也說要支持我們參加國際的組織或\n\n06:50.117 --> 07:16.350\n我們更名是我們期望的但在這件事情上今年你第二次參加我們做了什麼第一個我們在你有沒有跟會員國你有沒有跟我們邦交國聯繫希望他幫我們提案我們要更名有沒有我們絕對有提我們在理事年會強烈的表達對這件事情的不滿因為我們認為今年嗎今年去年都有我們持續的表達你參加了嗎那你有跟他們溝通嗎做了什麼他們有作證提案嗎\n\n07:17.991 --> 07:20.595\n首先,我覺得這是一個長期性的問題,我們要表達我們的立場。\n\n07:35.816 --> 07:53.055\n我不完全責怪你,所以我今天問說外交部在這件事情上有做什麼事情嗎?如果會員成員體裡面有我們三個包家國今年做了什麼事情我在新聞上媒體上都沒有看到\n\n07:54.256 --> 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