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00:02:54,768\n那就是說其他的這個落實的這個清理其實也是在這個4月6號都全部都已經清理完都已經清理完大概幾個地方然後都已經清理完畢了然後大概有幾個地方有這樣一個台九縣的話就是我們現在就是說這一個有這一個六處\n\n10\n00:03:02,534 --> 00:03:03,034\n局長、次長我們之前我一直要求\n\n11\n00:03:17,981 --> 00:03:33,858\n交通部針對公路總局相關的單位我們要設置落實的告警系統那這個落實告警系統目前總共完成了16個地方那落實的這樣的一個警示也總共有達到39次\n\n12\n00:03:35,359 --> 00:03:54,906\n那當然這些相關的狀況我們必須要更精進的掌握當然我們對於邊坡的分級管理有運用遙測的技術也定量的分級來管理也導入科技的巡檢那最重要我們要推動落實的這種告警的系統\n\n13\n00:03:55,706 --> 00:04:11,157\n我們現在看看我們的這個邊坡的統計當然是分成ABCDAB都是屬於比較高風險的這樣的一個級別A級我們今年3月21有做統計A級有273處B級有43處我請教一下\n\n14\n00:04:17,816 --> 00:04:43,470\n零四零三大地震之後這些邊級的這樣的一個狀況有變動嗎?或是有增加?是根本報告會變動不過就是說因為就是說整個這個包括A級跟B級的定義的話就是說這一個包括這個兩年內有落實然後能不能把它這個落實的源頭做相關的處理那防護的措施是什麼?所以就是說還有就是說它的邊坡是不是還是不穩定\n\n15\n00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:44,190\n李昆澤\n\n16\n00:05:01,886 --> 00:05:04,107\n分級沒有問題現在只是說有一些的邊坡要把它滾動滾動滾進來可能會變成A級跟B級這樣子\n\n17\n00:05:18,952 --> 00:05:23,296\n對我的意思就是這樣當然ABCD這四級它有一個明確的定義這個不會變動我講的是說AB級的例如說原本的A級有273處B級有43處那經過大地震之後有沒有增加或是怎樣的一個狀況\n\n18\n00:05:37,079 --> 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B C DA B都是屬於比較高風險的這樣的一個級別A級我們今年3月21有做統計A級有273處B級有43處我請教一下\n257816\t283470\t零四零三大地震之後這些邊級的這樣的一個狀況有變動嗎?或是有增加?是根本報告會變動不過就是說因為就是說整個這個包括A級跟B級的定義的話就是說這一個包括這個兩年內有落實然後能不能把它這個落實的源頭做相關的處理那防護的措施是什麼?所以就是說還有就是說它的邊坡是不是還是不穩定\n284150\t284190\t李昆澤\n301886\t304107\t分級沒有問題現在只是說有一些的邊坡要把它滾動滾動滾進來可能會變成A級跟B級這樣子\n318952\t323296\t對 我的意思就是這樣當然ABCD這四級它有一個明確的定義 這個不會變動我講的是說 AB級的例如說原本的A級有273處 B級有43處那經過大地震之後有沒有增加或是怎樣的一個狀況\n337079\t341122\t公路局應該盡速對邊坡來做相關的巡檢那盤查這些危險邊坡的數量要明確並要加強的管理那也要擴大邊路相關的預算我們要增加告警系統的\n364800\t383401\t這樣的一個監測範圍因為在過去我們有明確的偵測到39次的這樣一個落實的事件也一定發揮它保障人民旅客的這種生命財產的安全那我們這些例如我們症候防災辦理橋梁的特別巡檢的耐震補強這個部分\n384682\t402671\t那當然我們在2009年有明訂一個公路橋梁耐震評估及補強的準則那當時國內有607座橋梁也進行耐震的補強這個都已經完成了嘛告一段落了那我們2021年的3月又推出一個新的公路橋梁耐震評估及補強設施的設計的規範那有1970\n408975\t422226\t1號97座的這種單跨橋梁的支撐防弱需要進行評估那有1487座多跨橋梁應進行耐震初步評估那目前的這些檢測橋梁的頻率來說明一下\n424710\t449263\t公務員報告就是新的這個110年之後新的這個耐震評估跟補強設計規範之後確實就是說像我們公路局的話自己審到的相關的橋梁去做相關的一個做處理那最後其實是510除了這個上面所提到的我們還有519座還做特別的檢測那這些部分的話其實有需要做補強的部分我們都會編預算來做補強\n450584\t471818\t當然我們的檢測有分成三種有定期的檢測然後有特別的檢測還有詳細的檢測定期的檢測我們大概是兩年做一個檢測是不是規範兩年不過像我們像跨河橋梁的部分的話其實我們大概每年都會做特別的檢測就是發生重大的這些災害\n472699\t498164\t那我們0403之後我們有針對橋梁去做特別的這樣的一個檢測有0403之後的話他的鎮區範圍裡面我們需要檢測的特別檢測的有205座那依照規範14天內特別檢測都要完成所以原則上現在的規範其實比如說該修的我們修了沒有太大問題現在只剩下就是下清水橋就是這一個正在做的5月底要通行大廠\n498504\t519162\t這些橋梁的安全必須要負起最大的責任每座橋梁都關係到人民的這樣的一個生命的安全的保障那最後我有幾個建議就是說我們的橋梁管理系統我看好像只是為了各系統維護及管理上的一種上傳的資料庫而已那我認為應該建立\n520743\t525810\t更齊全的這樣的一個橋梁的交通的系統就是說橋梁的管理檢測及養護項目的統一標準這樣的一個\n531176\t560068\t橋梁的系統來說明一下我跟委員報告一下原則上橋梁管理系統在這個像我們交通部的話公路局高速公路局或者是鐵道局相關的都有他的管理系統現在其實這是交通部那你看像內政部他也有相關的系統剛才特別提到是屬於運營所是屬於相關檢測完資料的一個會診所以這是大概有這樣兩個層級的不同對啊那你層級的不同你必須\n561158\t561418\t好,是是是\n","txt":"謝謝徐屋奎委員﹖請陳次長﹖陳偶樂局長﹖趙新華局長有請次長跟局長\n市長 局長好 我們這個會期其實在0403地震之前我們在交通委員會我們就召開了相關的不管是長隧道相關的這些防震防災的相關的實地的考察或者是相關國家級警報相關的這些專題的報告\n然後我們也看到這個0403的大地震之後其實它的餘震也是不斷那我們對於交通系統的安全我們必須要時時刻刻在還沒有發生之前我們就要做好預防發生之後也要確實來檢討是否有相關的整體交通系統的緩緩的這樣的一個措施或者是整體的這個程序有沒有問題來必須做一個檢討那我們\n4月份發生的這樣的一個余震就有1396次那顯著的有感地震達到348個小區域的地震有1048個那地震的次數我們以對比去年的4月來講是增加了26倍增加了26倍\n國家級情報在2023年總共發布了13次到今年到現在為止已經發布了60次\n那我們對於相關的這些落實造成的重大災害我們來看大地震0403蘇花公路的大清水地段也發生了大規模的崩塌也造成一死一傷的這樣的不幸的事故那我們看到公路兩側發生這樣一個落實自殺的這樣的一個案件\n2011年有11次2023年有4次今年到目前有幾次請說明一下有相關統計嗎\n我跟委員報告就是因為大概就是在那個0403這一個統計是比較就是說完整的那前面的幾次會前面比較少那因為0403主要大概就是都是在台九線跟台八線的東段跟西段那這一個主段的部分其實大概我們都是在這一個像台九線的這個蘇化公路其實是在四天我們就搶通小客車通行\n那就是說其他的這個落實的這個清理其實也是在這個4月6號都全部都已經清理完都已經清理完大概幾個地方然後都已經清理完畢了然後大概有幾個地方有這樣一個台九縣的話就是我們現在就是說這一個有這一個六處\n局長、次長我們之前我一直要求\n交通部針對公路總局相關的單位我們要設置落實的告警系統那這個落實告警系統目前總共完成了16個地方那落實的這樣的一個警示也總共有達到39次\n那當然這些相關的狀況我們必須要更精進的掌握當然我們對於邊坡的分級管理有運用遙測的技術也定量的分級來管理也導入科技的巡檢那最重要我們要推動落實的這種告警的系統\n我們現在看看我們的這個邊坡的統計當然是分成A B C DA B都是屬於比較高風險的這樣的一個級別A級我們今年3月21有做統計A級有273處B級有43處我請教一下\n零四零三大地震之後這些邊級的這樣的一個狀況有變動嗎?或是有增加?是根本報告會變動不過就是說因為就是說整個這個包括A級跟B級的定義的話就是說這一個包括這個兩年內有落實然後能不能把它這個落實的源頭做相關的處理那防護的措施是什麼?所以就是說還有就是說它的邊坡是不是還是不穩定\n李昆澤\n分級沒有問題現在只是說有一些的邊坡要把它滾動滾動滾進來可能會變成A級跟B級這樣子\n對 我的意思就是這樣當然ABCD這四級它有一個明確的定義 這個不會變動我講的是說 AB級的例如說原本的A級有273處 B級有43處那經過大地震之後有沒有增加或是怎樣的一個狀況\n公路局應該盡速對邊坡來做相關的巡檢那盤查這些危險邊坡的數量要明確並要加強的管理那也要擴大邊路相關的預算我們要增加告警系統的\n這樣的一個監測範圍因為在過去我們有明確的偵測到39次的這樣一個落實的事件也一定發揮它保障人民旅客的這種生命財產的安全那我們這些例如我們症候防災辦理橋梁的特別巡檢的耐震補強這個部分\n那當然我們在2009年有明訂一個公路橋梁耐震評估及補強的準則那當時國內有607座橋梁也進行耐震的補強這個都已經完成了嘛告一段落了那我們2021年的3月又推出一個新的公路橋梁耐震評估及補強設施的設計的規範那有1970\n1號97座的這種單跨橋梁的支撐防弱需要進行評估那有1487座多跨橋梁應進行耐震初步評估那目前的這些檢測橋梁的頻率來說明一下\n公務員報告就是新的這個110年之後新的這個耐震評估跟補強設計規範之後確實就是說像我們公路局的話自己審到的相關的橋梁去做相關的一個做處理那最後其實是510除了這個上面所提到的我們還有519座還做特別的檢測那這些部分的話其實有需要做補強的部分我們都會編預算來做補強\n當然我們的檢測有分成三種有定期的檢測然後有特別的檢測還有詳細的檢測定期的檢測我們大概是兩年做一個檢測是不是規範兩年不過像我們像跨河橋梁的部分的話其實我們大概每年都會做特別的檢測就是發生重大的這些災害\n那我們0403之後我們有針對橋梁去做特別的這樣的一個檢測有0403之後的話他的鎮區範圍裡面我們需要檢測的特別檢測的有205座那依照規範14天內特別檢測都要完成所以原則上現在的規範其實比如說該修的我們修了沒有太大問題現在只剩下就是下清水橋就是這一個正在做的5月底要通行大廠\n這些橋梁的安全必須要負起最大的責任每座橋梁都關係到人民的這樣的一個生命的安全的保障那最後我有幾個建議就是說我們的橋梁管理系統我看好像只是為了各系統維護及管理上的一種上傳的資料庫而已那我認為應該建立\n更齊全的這樣的一個橋梁的交通的系統就是說橋梁的管理檢測及養護項目的統一標準這樣的一個\n橋梁的系統來說明一下我跟委員報告一下原則上橋梁管理系統在這個像我們交通部的話公路局高速公路局或者是鐵道局相關的都有他的管理系統現在其實這是交通部那你看像內政部他也有相關的系統剛才特別提到是屬於運營所是屬於相關檢測完資料的一個會診所以這是大概有這樣兩個層級的不同對啊那你層級的不同你必須\n好,是是是\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.323 --> 00:06.427\n謝謝徐屋奎委員﹖請陳次長﹖陳偶樂局長﹖趙新華局長有請次長跟局長\n\n00:12.887 --> 00:33.119\n市長局長好我們這個會期其實在0403地震之前我們在交通委員會我們就召開了相關的不管是長隧道相關的這些防震防災的相關的實地的考察或者是相關國家級警報相關的這些專題的報告\n\n00:34.420 --> 01:00.527\n然後我們也看到這個0403的大地震之後其實它的餘震也是不斷那我們對於交通系統的安全我們必須要時時刻刻在還沒有發生之前我們就要做好預防發生之後也要確實來檢討是否有相關的整體交通系統的緩緩的這樣的一個措施或者是整體的這個程序有沒有問題來必須做一個檢討那我們\n\n01:03.184 --> 01:23.860\n4月份發生的這樣的一個余震就有1396次那顯著的有感地震達到348個小區域的地震有1048個那地震的次數我們以對比去年的4月來講是增加了26倍增加了26倍\n\n01:26.212 --> 01:34.110\n國家級情報在2023年總共發布了13次到今年到現在為止已經發布了60次\n\n01:35.558 --> 01:59.963\n那我們對於相關的這些落實造成的重大災害我們來看大地震0403蘇花公路的大清水地段也發生了大規模的崩塌也造成一死一傷的這樣的不幸的事故那我們看到公路兩側發生這樣一個落實自殺的這樣的一個案件\n\n02:01.443 --> 02:11.107\n2011年有11次2023年有4次今年到目前有幾次請說明一下有相關統計嗎\n\n02:14.198 --> 02:41.839\n我跟委員報告就是因為大概就是在那個0403這一個統計是比較就是說完整的那前面的幾次會前面比較少那因為0403主要大概就是都是在台九線跟台八線的東段跟西段那這一個主段的部分其實大概我們都是在這一個像台九線的這個蘇化公路其實是在四天我們就搶通小客車通行\n\n02:42.339 --> 02:54.768\n那就是說其他的這個落實的這個清理其實也是在這個4月6號都全部都已經清理完都已經清理完大概幾個地方然後都已經清理完畢了然後大概有幾個地方有這樣一個台九縣的話就是我們現在就是說這一個有這一個六處\n\n03:02.534 --> 03:03.034\n局長、次長我們之前我一直要求\n\n03:17.981 --> 03:33.858\n交通部針對公路總局相關的單位我們要設置落實的告警系統那這個落實告警系統目前總共完成了16個地方那落實的這樣的一個警示也總共有達到39次\n\n03:35.359 --> 03:54.906\n那當然這些相關的狀況我們必須要更精進的掌握當然我們對於邊坡的分級管理有運用遙測的技術也定量的分級來管理也導入科技的巡檢那最重要我們要推動落實的這種告警的系統\n\n03:55.706 --> 04:11.157\n我們現在看看我們的這個邊坡的統計當然是分成ABCDAB都是屬於比較高風險的這樣的一個級別A級我們今年3月21有做統計A級有273處B級有43處我請教一下\n\n04:17.816 --> 04:43.470\n零四零三大地震之後這些邊級的這樣的一個狀況有變動嗎?或是有增加?是根本報告會變動不過就是說因為就是說整個這個包括A級跟B級的定義的話就是說這一個包括這個兩年內有落實然後能不能把它這個落實的源頭做相關的處理那防護的措施是什麼?所以就是說還有就是說它的邊坡是不是還是不穩定\n\n04:44.150 --> 04:44.190\n李昆澤\n\n05:01.886 --> 05:04.107\n分級沒有問題現在只是說有一些的邊坡要把它滾動滾動滾進來可能會變成A級跟B級這樣子\n\n05:18.952 --> 05:23.296\n對我的意思就是這樣當然ABCD這四級它有一個明確的定義這個不會變動我講的是說AB級的例如說原本的A級有273處B級有43處那經過大地震之後有沒有增加或是怎樣的一個狀況\n\n05:37.079 --> 05:41.122\n公路局應該盡速對邊坡來做相關的巡檢那盤查這些危險邊坡的數量要明確並要加強的管理那也要擴大邊路相關的預算我們要增加告警系統的\n\n06:04.800 --> 06:23.401\n這樣的一個監測範圍因為在過去我們有明確的偵測到39次的這樣一個落實的事件也一定發揮它保障人民旅客的這種生命財產的安全那我們這些例如我們症候防災辦理橋梁的特別巡檢的耐震補強這個部分\n\n06:24.682 --> 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我們這個會期其實在0403地震之前我們在交通委員會我們就召開了相關的不管是長隧道相關的這些防震防災的相關的實地的考察或者是相關國家級警報相關的這些專題的報告"},{"start":34.42,"end":60.527,"text":"然後我們也看到這個0403的大地震之後其實它的餘震也是不斷那我們對於交通系統的安全我們必須要時時刻刻在還沒有發生之前我們就要做好預防發生之後也要確實來檢討是否有相關的整體交通系統的緩緩的這樣的一個措施或者是整體的這個程序有沒有問題來必須做一個檢討那我們"},{"start":63.184,"end":83.86,"text":"4月份發生的這樣的一個余震就有1396次那顯著的有感地震達到348個小區域的地震有1048個那地震的次數我們以對比去年的4月來講是增加了26倍增加了26倍"},{"start":86.212,"end":94.11,"text":"國家級情報在2023年總共發布了13次到今年到現在為止已經發布了60次"},{"start":95.558,"end":119.963,"text":"那我們對於相關的這些落實造成的重大災害我們來看大地震0403蘇花公路的大清水地段也發生了大規模的崩塌也造成一死一傷的這樣的不幸的事故那我們看到公路兩側發生這樣一個落實自殺的這樣的一個案件"},{"start":121.443,"end":131.107,"text":"2011年有11次2023年有4次今年到目前有幾次請說明一下有相關統計嗎"},{"start":134.198,"end":161.839,"text":"我跟委員報告就是因為大概就是在那個0403這一個統計是比較就是說完整的那前面的幾次會前面比較少那因為0403主要大概就是都是在台九線跟台八線的東段跟西段那這一個主段的部分其實大概我們都是在這一個像台九線的這個蘇化公路其實是在四天我們就搶通小客車通行"},{"start":162.339,"end":174.768,"text":"那就是說其他的這個落實的這個清理其實也是在這個4月6號都全部都已經清理完都已經清理完大概幾個地方然後都已經清理完畢了然後大概有幾個地方有這樣一個台九縣的話就是我們現在就是說這一個有這一個六處"},{"start":182.534,"end":183.034,"text":"局長、次長我們之前我一直要求"},{"start":197.981,"end":213.858,"text":"交通部針對公路總局相關的單位我們要設置落實的告警系統那這個落實告警系統目前總共完成了16個地方那落實的這樣的一個警示也總共有達到39次"},{"start":215.359,"end":234.906,"text":"那當然這些相關的狀況我們必須要更精進的掌握當然我們對於邊坡的分級管理有運用遙測的技術也定量的分級來管理也導入科技的巡檢那最重要我們要推動落實的這種告警的系統"},{"start":235.706,"end":251.157,"text":"我們現在看看我們的這個邊坡的統計當然是分成A 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B級有43處那經過大地震之後有沒有增加或是怎樣的一個狀況"},{"start":337.079,"end":341.122,"text":"公路局應該盡速對邊坡來做相關的巡檢那盤查這些危險邊坡的數量要明確並要加強的管理那也要擴大邊路相關的預算我們要增加告警系統的"},{"start":364.8,"end":383.401,"text":"這樣的一個監測範圍因為在過去我們有明確的偵測到39次的這樣一個落實的事件也一定發揮它保障人民旅客的這種生命財產的安全那我們這些例如我們症候防災辦理橋梁的特別巡檢的耐震補強這個部分"},{"start":384.682,"end":402.671,"text":"那當然我們在2009年有明訂一個公路橋梁耐震評估及補強的準則那當時國內有607座橋梁也進行耐震的補強這個都已經完成了嘛告一段落了那我們2021年的3月又推出一個新的公路橋梁耐震評估及補強設施的設計的規範那有1970"},{"start":408.975,"end":422.226,"text":"1號97座的這種單跨橋梁的支撐防弱需要進行評估那有1487座多跨橋梁應進行耐震初步評估那目前的這些檢測橋梁的頻率來說明一下"},{"start":424.71,"end":449.263,"text":"公務員報告就是新的這個110年之後新的這個耐震評估跟補強設計規範之後確實就是說像我們公路局的話自己審到的相關的橋梁去做相關的一個做處理那最後其實是510除了這個上面所提到的我們還有519座還做特別的檢測那這些部分的話其實有需要做補強的部分我們都會編預算來做補強"},{"start":450.584,"end":471.818,"text":"當然我們的檢測有分成三種有定期的檢測然後有特別的檢測還有詳細的檢測定期的檢測我們大概是兩年做一個檢測是不是規範兩年不過像我們像跨河橋梁的部分的話其實我們大概每年都會做特別的檢測就是發生重大的這些災害"},{"start":472.699,"end":498.164,"text":"那我們0403之後我們有針對橋梁去做特別的這樣的一個檢測有0403之後的話他的鎮區範圍裡面我們需要檢測的特別檢測的有205座那依照規範14天內特別檢測都要完成所以原則上現在的規範其實比如說該修的我們修了沒有太大問題現在只剩下就是下清水橋就是這一個正在做的5月底要通行大廠"},{"start":498.504,"end":519.162,"text":"這些橋梁的安全必須要負起最大的責任每座橋梁都關係到人民的這樣的一個生命的安全的保障那最後我有幾個建議就是說我們的橋梁管理系統我看好像只是為了各系統維護及管理上的一種上傳的資料庫而已那我認為應該建立"},{"start":520.743,"end":525.81,"text":"更齊全的這樣的一個橋梁的交通的系統就是說橋梁的管理檢測及養護項目的統一標準這樣的一個"},{"start":531.176,"end":560.068,"text":"橋梁的系統來說明一下我跟委員報告一下原則上橋梁管理系統在這個像我們交通部的話公路局高速公路局或者是鐵道局相關的都有他的管理系統現在其實這是交通部那你看像內政部他也有相關的系統剛才特別提到是屬於運營所是屬於相關檢測完資料的一個會診所以這是大概有這樣兩個層級的不同對啊那你層級的不同你必須"},{"start":561.158,"end":561.418,"text":"好,是是是"}]}}}}