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Eats或Foodpanda要負起相關的安全管理事項責任，所以我們可以看到，相關的事故件數有減少的趨勢，當然，還不是很滿意啦！所以我們會繼續要求公路監理機關督導相關的外送業者，包括如何降低交通安全事故。"],["徐委員富癸：據我們目前的了解，全國一年有7,000件的外送事故，當然，最大的原因是報酬制度造成的趕件行為，但是從整個用路環境來看，每次看到外送員在車陣中穿梭、奔波，真的是膽戰心驚啦！所以交通部要整頓一下這個部分，這一點我們要共同努力。","最後一個問題，前幾天也有發生鄉親搭乘普悠瑪自強號時，車上出現小強的事件，針對這個部分，臺鐵怎麼改善環境？"],["陳次長彥伯：請總經理說明。"],["馮總經理輝昇：這件事情發現後，我們已經立即要求廠商和同仁加強放藥和清潔的工作。"],["徐委員富癸：另外，還是要再提醒一下臺鐵，上次我們質詢時有特別提到漲價的議題，如果價格漲的和高鐵差不多，本席認為臺鐵的營運狀況可能會很吃力，因為大家都會改搭高鐵，沒有人會搭臺鐵。所以這部分還是要請臺鐵研議一下，針對通勤族和大眾運輸的部分，怎麼做一個衡平的考量。"],["馮總經理輝昇：謝謝委員。我們會先以安全和服務提升為主，下半年，依照立法院先前公示的一些規定，我們再來依規定、依程序辦理相關方案的檢討。"],["徐委員富癸：好，謝謝。希望臺鐵也要加油啦！謝謝。"],["馮總經理輝昇：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：好，徐富癸委員發言完畢。現在請陳俊宇委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":462,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-23-12","speakers":["李昆澤","廖先翔","林國成","游顥","蔡其昌","黃健豪","林俊憲","林沛祥","邱若華","許智傑","何欣純","魯明哲","陳素月","徐富癸","陳俊宇","顏寬恒","王鴻薇","邱志偉","張啓楷","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:38,187\n局長在說明原則上檢測的費用大概都是由地方政府的養父的或是棄燃費的經費來做支應而且相關的經費來講是由分配上來棄燃費來做處理那真正比較多的錢是維修\n\n9\n00:02:39,088 --> 00:03:02,530\n所以那部分我們有編有相關的預算在做?市長這個我還是要再提醒一下因為畢竟這個非六都跟六都的財源這個截然不同尤其屏東縣政府我們是被列為第五級這個財政非常的困窘那以我本席調查的資料我們一年屏東縣政府光是橋梁檢測的費用就要高達3700萬以上\n\n10\n00:03:04,372 --> 00:03:31,653\n那檢測完之後維修跟改建的預算至少一年要預估大概要兩億元左右那我想依屏東縣政府的財力根本沒辦法負擔這筆費用那我們目前聽到的訊息是說這個我們申請的一個次數跟所謂的一個頻率並沒有一個固定的一個時程來安排那這部分是不是有辦法來做一個改善\n\n11\n00:03:34,306 --> 00:03:58,684\n我可以跟委員說明一下原則上剛才我特別提到檢測的費用大概是在分配的棄燃費裡頭那屏東縣政府大概每年棄燃費要如何支應會報到部裡頭來那我們再來檢視看看如果他在編列上真的是不足或者是有困難或是相關維修的經費阿國中就會報你們就不要互換阿哪有理由沒有啦不然我們看一下啦我們看一下會給你一些指導阿你們都幾人報報報你們如果不要請互換都要怎麼開\n\n12\n00:04:01,986 --> 00:04:03,366\n我們來研究看看好不好\n\n13\n00:04:27,113 --> 00:04:28,634\n所以說才說後續的維修的要檢測那維修的費用我們來支持\n\n14\n00:04:47,423 --> 00:04:58,042\n啊聽了這些都很心酸的啦沒有啦我會盡量來的啦想辦法來研究看看不要盡量啦市長本來在這邊質詢就是要求交通部要給我一個答案啦\n\n15\n00:05:00,283 --> 00:05:23,198\n我們看怎麼樣來協助屏東縣政府像現在就是說其實有一些地方這個政府就是說他在檢測出來比較急迫要改善就是U大1等於3的那個部分其實我們已經有受理提報了這一個就是25件那基本上\n\n16\n00:05:24,078 --> 00:05:51,164\n這一個我們只要就是說需要的話我們一路續會核定現在已經核定9件了所以我們再查一下屏東縣政府是不是有提報好不好如果說有這個需求的話我們會盡量給予協助的是啊本席特別強烈在提醒說因為像我們的好比如說像以前鳳梨大橋一段橋那個行程部分都變孤島效應了真的沒辦法出去了唯一的通路嘛這個我想交通部門都很清楚了我們還是要重視這個橋梁安全的問題\n\n17\n00:05:52,384 --> 00:06:11,542\n那另外針對最近一個我們這個年輕朋友比較關心的就是所謂的一個外送平台的一個合併的問題那因為根據本期來瞭解今年第一季事故的比例大概有300多件那我們交通部針對這個外送員的部分的安全考量有沒有做什麼樣的因應對策\n\n18\n00:06:13,831 --> 00:06:15,612\n公路系統道路及橋梁安全改善\n\n19\n00:06:43,566 --> 00:07:05,216\n以我們公路監理機關來督導這個相關的這個外送業者如何來降低他的交通安全我想我們目前了解大概全國一年我們有7000件的一個外送事故那當然最大的原因應該是屬於一個所謂的一個報酬制度造成一個趕監的一個行為但是我們整個一個用路的環境\n\n20\n00:07:06,417 --> 00:07:31,342\n每次看到我們的外送員在我們車站中穿梭在走是膽戰心驚所以我們交通部要如何整頓一下這個環境還是我們要共同來努力那最後一個問題就是我想前幾天也有發生過我們鄉親搭乘普悠瑪之間出現小強的事件針對這部分台鐵怎麼樣來改善這個環境\n\n21\n00:07:34,543 --> 00:07:49,315\n報告委員我們這一件發現後已經立即要求我們的廠商還有我們同仁加強我們這個放藥還有這個清潔的工作另外一個就是還是再提醒一下台庭上次我們在質詢的時候有特別提到這個漲價的議題\n\n22\n00:07:51,016 --> 00:08:05,689\n如果說我們的介紹跟高鐵差不多,我相信台鐵就要吃辣辣了。大家都要坐高鐵,沒有人要坐台鐵。這部分還是要請台鐵研議一下,針對我們通勤組還有我們大眾運輸的部分,怎麼樣做一個橫頻的考量。\n\n23\n00:08:07,839 --> 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