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--> 00:02:24,088\n為整個交通的事件反部上升,一年一年上升,死傷的數目是特別是兒童的。我做個統計,這樣的成績是不是對不起台灣民眾?我知道交通部有很多重要的建設,對國家是有貢獻的,可是在交通安全這一塊,安全,這從事件跟死傷人士來講,這個真的對不起台灣人民,你看一下。\n\n6\n00:02:26,008 --> 00:02:40,146\n馬英九這個任期,他雖然一開始是高的,你看他是不是比較趨勢往下,整體趨勢是往下降的蔡總統從105年開始,你看這個曲線就一直緩步的往上升這樣跟人民可以交代嗎?到底發生什麼事情?\n\n7\n00:02:45,547 --> 00:03:08,982\n不好回答是吧沒關係啦那就加油這個人命關天的事情啦好不好加油我知道交通部大家也很辛苦可是從這個數據看起來真的是難過的要好好改善好不好好那改善就要提出要方提出要方那最近有修這個道路交通管理處罰條例我在擔心的是很多人說會不會讓道安的問題更惡化呢例如我舉一個例子大家看一下\n\n8\n00:03:10,236 --> 00:03:35,552\n道路紅線的圍停他明顯影響到事件對不對大家如果開車或是走路都會碰到這個問題可是現在開始不記點了這個攸關行人這個安全可是現在檢舉這個限縮的這個檢舉像今天你們要不要去想一想不記點不檢舉之後這個還是攸關行人安全啊攸關很多人的安全啊這個好好再檢討一下好不好你也第一次我看你的預算書\n\n9\n00:03:36,877 --> 00:03:54,916\n一八十幾年到一百一十二年跟一百一十三年交通部要補助十億元要建科技執法的設備要全國三百四十五個的所在這是毛起來在開單是吧把人民當提款機嗎這個也想一下好不好在比較先進的國家\n\n10\n00:03:58,032 --> 00:04:26,070\n科技執法不是不行喔可是比例都在往下進行舉發這個比例都是在往下降的而且你在舉發進行舉發同時你一定要達到改善交通安全的問題這要雙軌要做好不好我具體的做三個建議來看看勒違規的陷阱要先改善第一這是很多民眾都非常在意的上下客運的空間要先做好不要讓職業駕駛人被迫去違規這問題很嚴重對不對\n\n11\n00:04:29,233 --> 00:04:57,767\n這個也要解決嘛好不好第二個同一個地點同一個違規連續開罰單你如果照目前科技執法進行開罰進行舉發的你的大手段包括我看搞不好交通部的觀點都碰到這個問題啊你收到那個罰單怎麼回事一兩個月嘛對不對不會啊你如果是當場勸發他就不會再發生第二次啊所以這個問題是要解決的好不好沒辦法達到沒辦法達到嵌倒這個目的你要怎麼去解決這個要做第三個\n\n12\n00:04:58,851 --> 00:05:17,596\n你若發現一個路口違規常常發現可是你改善一段時間改善幅度都很小你至少三個地方要檢討道路的路邊道路的標線號誌的設計號誌的設計是不是路型要調整是不是這樣本席提這三個大的點交通部可以回去好好檢討嗎\n\n13\n00:05:18,994 --> 00:05:44,442\n報告一下原則上這三個其實我們目前已經開始有在做了上下客貨我們也要求地方政府開始去做這樣一個空間的一個劃設至於說第二個有關連續舉花其實連續舉花的這個事情在處罰條例有相關規定然後同一個地點希望剛才達到委員特別提到說他有知道處罰能夠達到目的以後再做處罰的這樣一件事\n\n14\n00:05:44,462 --> 00:05:47,343\n全世界比較先進國家都不是以花錢\n\n15\n00:06:15,368 --> 00:06:43,880\n你要做科技的執法他應該只是個手段不是目的嘛對不對所以全國比較先進的他都在降低這個進行舉發的這個比例喔對不對全世界應該都這樣嘛對不對所以本席是要求交通部你要協同警政署去減少科技執法進行舉發的比例你現在一年喔我看你今年去年開了1750萬張的罰單裡面過百箱全部都是用科技執法進行舉發的你能不能把這個比例把它降下來\n\n16\n00:06:45,083 --> 00:06:49,726\n這個我們來跟這個警政署來協調啦因為他這裡頭進行舉報有很多的是那個是這個這個收費收費未繳的等等的這種最後問一點不然是超過時間問最後一個問題很多很多民眾反映的\n\n17\n00:07:14,742 --> 00:07:33,351\n現在112年到現在被進行舉發的那個違規祭典超過12點的你本來裁決完之後就要調照嘛對不對我問一下那因為新法新法馬上就上就上來了嘛修完法之後依照法律的規定應該採取對人民比較有利那一方對不對所以這個你們會做什麼決定\n\n18\n00:07:36,490 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我看你今年去年開了1750萬張的罰單裡面過百箱全部都是用科技執法進行舉發的你能不能把這個比例把它降下來\n405083\t409726\t這個我們來跟這個警政署來協調啦因為他這裡頭進行舉報有很多的是那個是這個這個收費收費未繳的等等的這種最後問一點不然是超過時間問最後一個問題很多很多民眾反映的\n434742\t453351\t現在112年到現在被進行舉發的那個違規祭典超過12點的你本來裁決完之後就要調照嘛對不對我問一下那因為新法新法馬上就上就上來了嘛修完法之後依照法律的規定應該採取對人民比較有利那一方對不對所以這個你們會做什麼決定\n456490\t477821\t這部分跟委員報告一下新修正的處罰條例63條裡面對於這一年計12點吊扣駕照兩個月這個規定並沒有改沒有改所以至少就是用新法比較有利於民眾所以目前如果沒有被你們裁決不會吊照的新法以後也不會吊對不對沒有沒有跟委員報告新修正這一點規定都沒有改就是12點就是要吊扣兩個月\n478581\t479782\t交通違規這個現景要先去改善\n499772\t507106\t要只是把人民當提款機而且那個交通安全行人跟國人這個安全好不好請一起努力繼續加油我們繼續加油謝謝市長謝謝市長\n","txt":"陳次長我們今天拿非常具體的數據來檢驗蔡英文政府的交通安全成績單你有看到這個圖蔡英文是民國105年5月20號上任\n你會發現這個圖有點趨勢圖好像反部每一年都在上升嗎本來他上任的時候那一年交通事故30萬5千5百5十六件到了去年突破了40萬件顯然蔡政府這8年交通安全事故是嚴重的\n從交通事故的這個事件來看我們進一步來看死傷的人數九年啊交通事故的死傷人數到了新高五十四萬人市長你同樣你從1805年去看以前的死傷人數多少七十萬五千五百四十四人到了去年已經跳到了五十四萬人了更驚悚的是下一張很讓我們難過的\n兒童的死傷人數今年爆衝到11858人我平時在執行都笑死了今天唸這個數目字我都很悲傷而且你們要看到不只是在比105年的時候比較悲慘的而已你看110年到112年大家看那個趨勢有沒有像那個沖天炮那是到底發生什麼事情 現在這麼嚴重\n為整個交通的事件反部上升,一年一年上升,死傷的數目是特別是兒童的。我做個統計,這樣的成績是不是對不起台灣民眾?我知道交通部有很多重要的建設,對國家是有貢獻的,可是在交通安全這一塊,安全,這從事件跟死傷人士來講,這個真的對不起台灣人民,你看一下。\n馬英九這個任期,他雖然一開始是高的,你看他是不是比較趨勢往下,整體趨勢是往下降的蔡總統從105年開始,你看這個曲線就一直緩步的往上升這樣跟人民可以交代嗎?到底發生什麼事情?\n不好回答是吧 沒關係啦 那就加油 這個人命關天的事情啦 好不好 加油我知道交通部大家也很辛苦 可是從這個數據看起來真的是難過的 要好好改善 好不好好 那改善就要提出要方 提出要方那最近有修這個道路交通管理處罰條例 我在擔心的是很多人說 會不會讓道安的問題更惡化呢例如我舉一個例子 大家看一下\n道路紅線的圍停他明顯影響到事件對不對大家如果開車或是走路都會碰到這個問題可是現在開始不記點了這個攸關行人這個安全可是現在檢舉這個限縮的這個檢舉像今天你們要不要去想一想不記點不檢舉之後這個還是攸關行人安全啊攸關很多人的安全啊這個好好再檢討一下好不好你也第一次我看你的預算書\n一八十幾年到一百一十二年跟一百一十三年 交通部要補助十億元要建科技執法的設備 要全國三百四十五個的所在這是毛起來在開單是吧 把人民當提款機嗎這個也想一下好不好 在比較先進的國家\n科技執法不是不行喔可是比例都在往下進行舉發這個比例都是在往下降的而且你在舉發進行舉發同時你一定要達到改善交通安全的問題這要雙軌要做好不好我具體的做三個建議來看看勒違規的陷阱要先改善第一這是很多民眾都非常在意的上下客運的空間要先做好不要讓職業駕駛人被迫去違規這問題很嚴重對不對\n這個也要解決嘛好不好 第二個同一個地點 同一個違規 連續開罰單你如果照目前科技執法 進行開罰 進行舉發的你的大手段 包括我看 搞不好交通部的觀點都碰到這個問題啊你收到那個罰單怎麼回事一兩個月嘛 對不對 不會啊你如果是當場勸發 他就不會再發生第二次啊所以這個問題是要解決的 好不好沒辦法達到 沒辦法達到嵌倒這個目的你要怎麼去解決這個要做 第三個\n你若發現一個路口違規常常發現可是你改善一段時間改善幅度都很小你至少三個地方要檢討道路的路邊道路的標線號誌的設計號誌的設計是不是路型要調整是不是這樣本席提這三個大的點交通部可以回去好好檢討嗎\n報告一下原則上這三個其實我們目前已經開始有在做了上下客貨我們也要求地方政府開始去做這樣一個空間的一個劃設至於說第二個有關連續舉花其實連續舉花的這個事情在處罰條例有相關規定然後同一個地點希望剛才達到委員特別提到說他有知道處罰能夠達到目的以後再做處罰的這樣一件事\n全世界比較先進國家都不是以花錢\n你要做科技的執法他應該只是個手段不是目的嘛 對不對所以全國比較先進的他都在降低這個進行舉發的這個比例喔對不對 全世界應該都這樣嘛 對不對所以本席是要求交通部你要協同警政署去減少科技執法進行舉發的比例你現在一年喔 我看你今年去年開了1750萬張的罰單裡面過百箱全部都是用科技執法進行舉發的你能不能把這個比例把它降下來\n這個我們來跟這個警政署來協調啦因為他這裡頭進行舉報有很多的是那個是這個這個收費收費未繳的等等的這種最後問一點不然是超過時間問最後一個問題很多很多民眾反映的\n現在112年到現在被進行舉發的那個違規祭典超過12點的你本來裁決完之後就要調照嘛對不對我問一下那因為新法新法馬上就上就上來了嘛修完法之後依照法律的規定應該採取對人民比較有利那一方對不對所以這個你們會做什麼決定\n這部分跟委員報告一下新修正的處罰條例63條裡面對於這一年計12點吊扣駕照兩個月這個規定並沒有改沒有改所以至少就是用新法比較有利於民眾所以目前如果沒有被你們裁決不會吊照的新法以後也不會吊對不對沒有沒有跟委員報告新修正這一點規定都沒有改就是12點就是要吊扣兩個月\n交通違規這個現景要先去改善\n要只是把人民當提款機而且那個交通安全行人跟國人這個安全好不好請一起努力繼續加油我們繼續加油謝謝市長謝謝市長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.135 --> 00:29.221\n陳次長我們今天拿非常具體的數據來檢驗蔡英文政府的交通安全成績單你有看到這個圖蔡英文是民國105年5月20號上任\n\n00:34.451 --> 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