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00:02:20,979\n那移工的部分大部分是補足底層的比較粗的出街的勞力那出街的勞力是啊因為今天本席有看到交通部鐵道局這邊統計啊去年說土木計時土木直系的直缺超過10%\n\n8\n00:02:22,881 --> 00:02:48,757\n負責東部鐵道工程的東工處缺額更高達25%換言之東工處相關的人員其實都有等於是缺四分之一的人力那相關的員工的流動量也大每年平均還會離職超過兩位數所以現在鐵道局或是公司化的台鐵都一樣有什麼樣的一個誘因來解決缺工的問題\n\n9\n00:02:50,117 --> 00:02:50,137\n市長\n\n10\n00:03:07,771 --> 00:03:31,518\n跟委員報告因為剛剛提到的我們東部工程分局人力的缺乏這是公務人員的部分這跟現場我們發包給廠商他執行的工程所需要的不管是剛剛我們市長提到的專業工班還是一般的基礎的這樣的一個工作這個人力是不同的人力的需求那因為我們東部的這個部分它的轄區範圍非常長\n\n11\n00:03:33,038 --> 00:03:37,102\n本集剛講的就是你們之前在媒體上報導就是職缺的一個部分那你的東部加急是不是每個月只有630元\n\n12\n00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:14,938\n是嗎?所以媒體有講是說是缺乏誘因甚至就講是說老的退休新人不進來人力的斷層嚴重是不是有這樣的狀況?是有這個情況那是有這個情況媒體也都報導了是那目前我們有什麼檢討或改變的措施?我們現在積極的跟部裡面也跟行政院來做人員這個部分的一個問題的反應\n\n13\n00:04:17,335 --> 00:04:36,773\n怎麼反應來次長不是啦我們不要講空話啦我很實在話講我覺得今天本席會看到有媒體這樣的報導那東部地區有這樣的狀況四分之一的人力缺乏還是次長其實之前沒有看到這樣的媒體報導我跟委員報告有關\n\n14\n00:04:39,247 --> 00:04:52,758\n有關這樣的一個事情其實在我們交通部相關主改的時候啊包含跟剛才講的鐵道局公路總局或其他單位大概都有遇到相關的其實\n\n15\n00:04:53,999 --> 00:05:21,511\n這個時間多久了其實這根本就是一個已經累積很久的一個狀況所以我們最近其實有透過希望行政院能夠跟我們有希望跟人事總署來談相關的一個人力也好或者是待遇也好或是績效獎金也好因為看起來不是缺不夠啊看起來是你有缺沒有人啊那你的待遇也不行啊所以說變成是缺乏誘因來去做這個\n\n16\n00:05:22,631 --> 00:05:28,175\n本席一分鐘的時間也要再詢問一下今天有特別講到這個橋梁的一個部分關渡大橋在本席的一個選區裡面我們先講兩個部分一個是關渡大橋\n\n17\n00:05:47,481 --> 00:06:13,680\n三不五時就會有YouTube也會去拍影片我覺得這很好就代表說用路人大家都會去關心但是常常你在那個影片上面都一直看到就是說關渡大橋都會讓大家覺得說設計先天失靈後天失良這邊是說他的設計一直都會讓用路人很有詬病包括說很多人就覺得是說他上面的標示或說潮話線或是相關的一個設計\n\n18\n00:06:14,821 --> 00:06:40,115\n那本席其實在之前上任的時候我就一直講過我覺得我一直強調的是專業要來去做判斷那到底現在的設計是不是好的設計如果是好的設計的話他應該就是要堅持但如果說是不好設計的話該改就要改而不是說每發生一件事情的時候再來改這邊改一點那邊改一點你可以理解我意思嗎\n\n19\n00:06:41,397 --> 00:07:09,632\n就是說你現在整體的設計如果說是好的那就代表是說我們可以已經防止了大部分的一個車禍那真的會不會有車禍因為用路大、量大一定難免會有車禍但是如果說真的有這個車禍的話它可能它是一個激烈問題或它有可能其他的因素造成那就不是道路設計不了可是我們現在看到的是說你每一次現在設計完之後發生了一個車禍然後結果公路總局又再去調整\n\n20\n00:07:10,632 --> 00:07:26,461\n朝化線也好調整那個立裝也好那就代表是說你自己承認說那個立裝或那個朝化線其實設計不良而導致這個車禍那這樣的話他有存在必要嗎那為什麼當初會讓他存在在那裡所以我之前也一直講過說是不是應該要\n\n21\n00:07:28,513 --> 00:07:42,939\n聘請專業的單位好好的去檢視現在關渡大橋現在設計是不是足夠良好那如果說不足的地方應該我們自己主動就把它給設計出來或是規劃出來而不是等到發生問題之後頭痛一頭腳痛一腳\n\n22\n00:07:45,635 --> 00:07:46,115\n正在作業什麼作業\n\n23\n00:08:14,832 --> 00:08:36,750\n委託整個交通安全整體的改善計畫委託案發出了嗎?多少費用?這個部分應該還沒有委託出去我是不是這個完整的細節再跟委員做一個報告請局長再跟我報告但是我必須再強調一點\n\n24\n00:08:38,351 --> 00:09:02,486\n其實過去我從上任以來我就一直關注而且我也一直講是說關渡大橋這個用量可能是全台的橋梁用量最大的交通量最大那那個時候你們一直也講你們講是說沒有委員現在OK了設計這樣子是我們經過專業評估每一次來都跟我們講說是經過專業評估那結果勒發生一件事情之後就突然間兩個禮拜後\n\n25\n00:09:04,187 --> 00:09:12,064\n那個立裝就不見了發生一件事情之後突然間兩個禮拜後潮話線就不見了或是說潮話線就增加那你們專業在哪裡\n\n26\n00:09:13,826 --> 00:09:35,425\n如果說你們有專業的話你們應該是說我告訴任何的民眾或是告訴人家講說我們確實有經過評估這樣子的設計是最好的那真的有發生意外的話但是我們以這樣的設計意外其實已經大幅降低了而不是說當發生意外之後不好意思我幫你改如果說你們要自己改的話那不就自打嘴巴嗎\n\n27\n00:09:36,508 --> 00:09:59,517\n所以這也是我那時候上任的時候我一直強調是說你應該先做做完之後你應該要堅持因為比專業來講任何人你們既然是行政部門既然公路局以前從總局現在變公路局但不管是叫什麼名稱公路方面應該是你們要有自豪要有自信講是說你們做出來的東西是至少在中華民國我們國內最專業的\n\n28\n00:10:01,997 --> 00:10:12,994\n如果說你們都變成是說頭通一頭腳通一腳或是說人家提出一點質疑連挑戰你們你們馬上禁不起挑戰的話那我說實在話你這樣的單位有什麼專業可言\n\n29\n00:10:14,591 --> 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從上任以來我就一直關注而且我也一直講是說關渡大橋這個用量可能是全台的橋梁用量最大的交通量最大那那個時候你們一直也講你們講是說沒有委員現在OK了設計這樣子是我們經過專業評估每一次來都跟我們講說是經過專業評估那結果勒發生一件事情之後就突然間兩個禮拜後\n那個立裝就不見了發生一件事情之後突然間兩個禮拜後潮話線就不見了或是說潮話線就增加那你們專業在哪裡\n如果說你們有專業的話你們應該是說我告訴任何的民眾或是告訴人家講說我們確實有經過評估這樣子的設計是最好的那真的有發生意外的話但是我們以這樣的設計意外其實已經大幅降低了而不是說當發生意外之後不好意思我幫你改如果說你們要自己改的話那不就自打嘴巴嗎\n所以這也是我那時候上任的時候我一直強調是說你應該先做做完之後你應該要堅持因為比專業來講任何人你們既然是行政部門既然公路局以前從總局現在變公路局但不管是叫什麼名稱公路方面應該是你們要有自豪要有自信講是說你們做出來的東西是至少在中華民國我們國內最專業的\n如果說你們都變成是說頭通一頭腳通一腳或是說人家提出一點質疑連挑戰你們你們馬上禁不起挑戰的話那我說實在話你這樣的單位有什麼專業可言\n法定人數不足\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.724 --> 00:05.325\n主席謝謝麻煩請次長請次長\n\n00:13.700 --> 00:41.650\n市長我想先確認一下現在其實我們重大公共工程缺工缺料的問題都讓各地的公路捷運工程等受到影響那本席這邊的選區不管是國道、林口交流道、五谷交流道之前也有流標的狀況那雖然說2022年已經標出但是無法在原預期本來是希望是今年或明年就可以完工那目前這樣也會延後\n\n00:42.351 --> 00:45.827\n通案性的問題阿你覺得這要怎麼解決\n\n00:46.949 --> 01:09.893\n我想有關那個物價上漲或原物料上漲的這些問題我了解工程費有相關的一個處理的機制在這上頭當然如果說整體的這個計畫的物價的上漲已經超過了這個原來計畫核定的核度我想可能就要循相關的程序之前我們有我有詢問過勞動部勞動部講是說現在缺工的狀況國內差不多20萬人到30萬人\n\n01:16.394 --> 01:37.347\n那我們自己這個重大交通工程的一些缺工的狀況我們自己有沒有盤點我們現在進行當中向委員報告目前交通部部署機關用外籍的工比較多跟比較大的單位是鐵道局、台鐵公司、高速公路工程局\n\n01:39.332 --> 02:04.233\n公路局以及機場公司的第三航廈特別是第三航廈是用專案引進的外牆工這樣算起來幾乎所有重大交通工程其實現在都是依靠移工啊也未必因為目前你剛算了哪一個不是算是重大交通工程都是啊都涵蓋在裡面啊要委員跟委員報告因為工程他需要執行的專業程度又是類似金字塔型\n\n02:05.031 --> 02:20.979\n那移工的部分大部分是補足底層的比較粗的出街的勞力那出街的勞力是啊因為今天本席有看到交通部鐵道局這邊統計啊去年說土木計時土木直系的直缺超過10%\n\n02:22.881 --> 02:48.757\n負責東部鐵道工程的東工處缺額更高達25%換言之東工處相關的人員其實都有等於是缺四分之一的人力那相關的員工的流動量也大每年平均還會離職超過兩位數所以現在鐵道局或是公司化的台鐵都一樣有什麼樣的一個誘因來解決缺工的問題\n\n02:50.117 --> 02:50.137\n市長\n\n03:07.771 --> 03:31.518\n跟委員報告因為剛剛提到的我們東部工程分局人力的缺乏這是公務人員的部分這跟現場我們發包給廠商他執行的工程所需要的不管是剛剛我們市長提到的專業工班還是一般的基礎的這樣的一個工作這個人力是不同的人力的需求那因為我們東部的這個部分它的轄區範圍非常長\n\n03:33.038 --> 03:37.102\n本集剛講的就是你們之前在媒體上報導就是職缺的一個部分那你的東部加急是不是每個月只有630元\n\n03:55.000 --> 04:14.938\n是嗎?所以媒體有講是說是缺乏誘因甚至就講是說老的退休新人不進來人力的斷層嚴重是不是有這樣的狀況?是有這個情況那是有這個情況媒體也都報導了是那目前我們有什麼檢討或改變的措施?我們現在積極的跟部裡面也跟行政院來做人員這個部分的一個問題的反應\n\n04:17.335 --> 04:36.773\n怎麼反應來次長不是啦我們不要講空話啦我很實在話講我覺得今天本席會看到有媒體這樣的報導那東部地區有這樣的狀況四分之一的人力缺乏還是次長其實之前沒有看到這樣的媒體報導我跟委員報告有關\n\n04:39.247 --> 04:52.758\n有關這樣的一個事情其實在我們交通部相關主改的時候啊包含跟剛才講的鐵道局公路總局或其他單位大概都有遇到相關的其實\n\n04:53.999 --> 05:21.511\n這個時間多久了其實這根本就是一個已經累積很久的一個狀況所以我們最近其實有透過希望行政院能夠跟我們有希望跟人事總署來談相關的一個人力也好或者是待遇也好或是績效獎金也好因為看起來不是缺不夠啊看起來是你有缺沒有人啊那你的待遇也不行啊所以說變成是缺乏誘因來去做這個\n\n05:22.631 --> 05:28.175\n本席一分鐘的時間也要再詢問一下今天有特別講到這個橋梁的一個部分關渡大橋在本席的一個選區裡面我們先講兩個部分一個是關渡大橋\n\n05:47.481 --> 06:13.680\n三不五時就會有YouTube也會去拍影片我覺得這很好就代表說用路人大家都會去關心但是常常你在那個影片上面都一直看到就是說關渡大橋都會讓大家覺得說設計先天失靈後天失良這邊是說他的設計一直都會讓用路人很有詬病包括說很多人就覺得是說他上面的標示或說潮話線或是相關的一個設計\n\n06:14.821 --> 06:40.115\n那本席其實在之前上任的時候我就一直講過我覺得我一直強調的是專業要來去做判斷那到底現在的設計是不是好的設計如果是好的設計的話他應該就是要堅持但如果說是不好設計的話該改就要改而不是說每發生一件事情的時候再來改這邊改一點那邊改一點你可以理解我意思嗎\n\n06:41.397 --> 07:09.632\n就是說你現在整體的設計如果說是好的那就代表是說我們可以已經防止了大部分的一個車禍那真的會不會有車禍因為用路大、量大一定難免會有車禍但是如果說真的有這個車禍的話它可能它是一個激烈問題或它有可能其他的因素造成那就不是道路設計不了可是我們現在看到的是說你每一次現在設計完之後發生了一個車禍然後結果公路總局又再去調整\n\n07:10.632 --> 07:26.461\n朝化線也好調整那個立裝也好那就代表是說你自己承認說那個立裝或那個朝化線其實設計不良而導致這個車禍那這樣的話他有存在必要嗎那為什麼當初會讓他存在在那裡所以我之前也一直講過說是不是應該要\n\n07:28.513 --> 07:42.939\n聘請專業的單位好好的去檢視現在關渡大橋現在設計是不是足夠良好那如果說不足的地方應該我們自己主動就把它給設計出來或是規劃出來而不是等到發生問題之後頭痛一頭腳痛一腳\n\n07:45.635 --> 07:46.115\n正在作業什麼作業\n\n08:14.832 --> 08:36.750\n委託整個交通安全整體的改善計畫委託案發出了嗎?多少費用?這個部分應該還沒有委託出去我是不是這個完整的細節再跟委員做一個報告請局長再跟我報告但是我必須再強調一點\n\n08:38.351 --> 09:02.486\n其實過去我從上任以來我就一直關注而且我也一直講是說關渡大橋這個用量可能是全台的橋梁用量最大的交通量最大那那個時候你們一直也講你們講是說沒有委員現在OK了設計這樣子是我們經過專業評估每一次來都跟我們講說是經過專業評估那結果勒發生一件事情之後就突然間兩個禮拜後\n\n09:04.187 --> 09:12.064\n那個立裝就不見了發生一件事情之後突然間兩個禮拜後潮話線就不見了或是說潮話線就增加那你們專業在哪裡\n\n09:13.826 --> 09:35.425\n如果說你們有專業的話你們應該是說我告訴任何的民眾或是告訴人家講說我們確實有經過評估這樣子的設計是最好的那真的有發生意外的話但是我們以這樣的設計意外其實已經大幅降低了而不是說當發生意外之後不好意思我幫你改如果說你們要自己改的話那不就自打嘴巴嗎\n\n09:36.508 --> 09:59.517\n所以這也是我那時候上任的時候我一直強調是說你應該先做做完之後你應該要堅持因為比專業來講任何人你們既然是行政部門既然公路局以前從總局現在變公路局但不管是叫什麼名稱公路方面應該是你們要有自豪要有自信講是說你們做出來的東西是至少在中華民國我們國內最專業的\n\n10:01.997 --> 10:12.994\n如果說你們都變成是說頭通一頭腳通一腳或是說人家提出一點質疑連挑戰你們你們馬上禁不起挑戰的話那我說實在話你這樣的單位有什麼專業可言\n\n10:14.591 --> 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