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00:01:12,786\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期\n\n5\n00:01:21,155 --> 00:01:28,357\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具«中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案》案。\n\n6\n00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:44,790\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會\n\n7\n00:01:52,719 --> 00:02:10,550\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第\n\n8\n00:02:26,444 --> 00:02:41,132\n當然我們那個這個我們目前送的草案裡面對於這個揭弊的這個調查過程我們自有保護的啦所以我想委員講的這個情形我想還是要按照那個草案裡面的相關規定來問問題是說那你們相關草案裡面有沒有做這樣子的一個規定嗎\n\n9\n00:02:47,848 --> 00:02:54,416\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等18人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等18人擬具\n\n10\n00:03:05,729 --> 00:03:20,670\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第23次全體委員會之四條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制\n\n11\n00:03:21,792 --> 00:03:27,480\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n\n12\n00:03:37,315 --> 00:03:50,325\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條\n\n13\n00:04:04,151 --> 00:04:20,638\n委員講的應該是說是受理接避的機關受理之後他在做初步內部的調查的時候所做的一些行為啦那這些行為的話我想還是要在法律的規範的範圍之內不是我是說在這個群體就是說接避者接避以後那他的在這個共同的群體裡面他或許不是那位接避者但是他能不能夠\n\n14\n00:04:29,201 --> 00:04:41,924\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n\n15\n00:04:49,446 --> 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«中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案》案。\n96240\t104790\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會\n112719\t130550\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第\n146444\t161132\t當然我們那個這個我們目前送的草案裡面對於這個揭弊的這個調查過程我們自有保護的啦所以我想委員講的這個情形我想還是要按照那個草案裡面的相關規定來問問題是說那你們相關草案裡面有沒有做這樣子的一個規定嗎\n167848\t174416\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等18人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等18人擬具\n185729\t200670\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第23次全體委員會之四條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制\n201792\t207480\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n217315\t230325\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條\n244151\t260638\t委員講的應該是說是受理接避的機關受理之後他在做初步內部的調查的時候所做的一些行為啦那這些行為的話我想還是要在法律的規範的範圍之內不是我是說在這個群體就是說接避者接避以後那他的在這個共同的群體裡面他或許不是那位接避者但是他能不能夠\n269201\t281924\t民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n289446\t306322\t如果他是配合那個調查的人的話他還是受到我們這個草案的保護的規定好反正我的結論就是你們在草案裡面你們要重新去檢查說能不能夠讓同一機關就算他不是那個接避者他發現\n307803\t329681\t有接避者正在面臨不正當的檢查或是情況為了要找出那名接避者那任何人都可以去向你們來檢舉那你們也要來調查說這個機關是否有這樣子的情形並且阻止他們有這樣的情形才能真正保護到接避者可以嗎可以好謝謝\n","txt":"民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案案。\n副長好我們今天呢審的這個原本要審的這個兩個法案一個是這關於詐騙的一個是吹哨者保護法那我想先從吹哨者保護法跟您談起喔我記得我在當議員的時候曾經揭露了一個案子是關於呢公股銀行在選舉期間那他們呢竟然被要求那就暗示性的要求他們要幫忙輔選\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等18人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具 «中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案》案。\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第\n當然我們那個這個我們目前送的草案裡面對於這個揭弊的這個調查過程我們自有保護的啦所以我想委員講的這個情形我想還是要按照那個草案裡面的相關規定來問問題是說那你們相關草案裡面有沒有做這樣子的一個規定嗎\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等18人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等18人擬具\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第23次全體委員會之四條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會之四條文修正草案．一）立法院第1會期司法及法制\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案．一）委員馬文君等17人擬具:「中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條\n委員講的應該是說是受理接避的機關受理之後他在做初步內部的調查的時候所做的一些行為啦那這些行為的話我想還是要在法律的規範的範圍之內不是我是說在這個群體就是說接避者接避以後那他的在這個共同的群體裡面他或許不是那位接避者但是他能不能夠\n民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n如果他是配合那個調查的人的話他還是受到我們這個草案的保護的規定好反正我的結論就是你們在草案裡面你們要重新去檢查說能不能夠讓同一機關就算他不是那個接避者他發現\n有接避者正在面臨不正當的檢查或是情況為了要找出那名接避者那任何人都可以去向你們來檢舉那你們也要來調查說這個機關是否有這樣子的情形並且阻止他們有這樣的情形才能真正保護到接避者可以嗎可以好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.349 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