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00:01:45,716\n跟日本合作是日本合作市場在日本巴拉圭只要是在中南美洲的市場所以兩個市場是不太一樣的那委員請問一下第一點因為我們知道如果我們講是電動大客車的產業那這個產業鏈其實製造很多工作機會那有沒有計畫目前你們輔導有沒有計畫哪一家廠商把這個電動車產業的工作機會留在台灣呢\n\n6\n00:01:49,978 --> 00:02:10,047\n現在剛才已經有跟國務委員報告華德那個華德跟承諺目前都是在台灣這邊已經除了原來的廠又額外再投資了已經投資200多億200多億那目前我想知道的是製造多少的工作機會地點是在哪裡而且實質上未來可以製造幾起工作機會既然你今天報告是大客車產業\n\n7\n00:02:11,368 --> 00:02:38,340\n大產業鏈的形成畢竟最主要除了本身製造的產品要符合我們社會上使用之外更現實的是工作機會的製造我們台灣一向對於汽車產業的發展其實我們有很大的落後比起日本、韓國我們其實甚至後來在大陸我們在汽車產業上面有很大的落後我想這個是我們全國國人心中的痛那現在變成電動車產業的時候本席剛好去國外走了\n\n8\n00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:58,337\n最近去國外走了一趟發現說其他國家的電動車產業也好不管大客車還是小客車甚至自動駕駛都比本國知道的東西還先進甚至我直接我不會言我記得我四年前的時候我去我去工研院參觀了我們所謂的自動駕駛那自動駕駛那個時候居然沒有辦法上路的原因是因為坡度不足\n\n9\n00:02:59,378 --> 00:03:16,171\n波度的計算不足所以變成是說他們只能在公園院裡面做適用的自動車駕駛可是本期才在一個月之前到其他地方其他國家去看所謂的自動車駕駛的時候發現他們不但有不但波度的問題可以解決甚至還可以直接上路\n\n10\n00:03:17,112 --> 00:03:32,946\n本席會認為說這樣來講不管這個技術是哪一國的技術本席認為我們國內是落後的那我也想請問目前以交通部跟經濟部你們現在做法是對於自動車駕駛自動駕駛也好還是電動客車也好你們現在的態度是什麼什麼時候我們可以看到上路的電動客車\n\n11\n00:03:34,187 --> 00:04:03,567\n我們現在為什麼會問這問題最現實是現在沒有人想當司機真的沒有人想當司機本身因為這件事情則則是公路總局跟交通部特地針對他們司機的福利特地要加強但是我現在看到還是沒有什麼人願意來當司機因為人家因為大家會認為司機這個工作很辛苦而且會被人家責難的時候那自動駕駛勢必是趨勢請問經濟部甚至交通部有什麼應對的有什麼因為有這個新的科技有這新的技術而應對目前就業市場\n\n12\n00:04:04,667 --> 00:04:24,835\n我先回答經濟部這一部分其實剛才委員講的投資剛才我講的是整車成德華園已經在臺中彰化屏東投資另外其實在零組件部分在荷花鴻海在荷花投資這個投資有將近700億主要是做電池這一部分已經有創造國內企業圈另外剛才談到自動駕駛其實目前\n\n13\n00:04:25,655 --> 00:04:49,758\n在高雄那一部分在雅灣已經有在做自動駕駛的一個試驗院因為這一部分技術確實是陳副委員講的還不是很成熟另外在台南的綠能沙崙科技園區也有在做這樣的試範運行所以自駕這一部分我們經濟部是有投入一些科技經費在協助廠商在做自動駕駛這一部分那目前都已經在做一些試範運行\n\n14\n00:04:52,321 --> 00:05:14,458\n那聚焦交通部你們對於本席剛剛的問題怎麼答詢呢?這個部分我跟委員報告一下裡面有兩塊是這個電動大客車跟這個電動小客車的部分那第一塊就是說剛剛有報告就是說針對自駕的部分那目前是優先聚焦希望能夠在電動大客車就是公車這個部分能夠讓他這一個可行\n\n15\n00:05:14,818 --> 00:05:28,947\n那我也跟委員報告就是說裡面有16案這個之前申請這個沙盒實驗其中有12案是屬於這一個公司的部分那只是說現在沙盒實驗就是說雖然是某種程度之下但是人還市級還是要在這個上面\n\n16\n00:05:30,788 --> 00:05:55,521\n另外一個部分的話像剛剛這個林沛祥有提到這個台積電跟在這個欄卡他已經有實際這個都已經有實際運貨部分那另外我們公共總局在台61也有個中巴這個自駕實際運行的一個部分那針對自駕的這一塊的一個部分的話其實跟委員報告就是說目前大概系統都還在發展當中那基本上人都還要某種程度的這個monitor\n\n17\n00:05:56,281 --> 00:06:22,850\n好謝謝我這邊要特地提醒因為時間關係我最近最後面提醒一件事情為什麼我把自動駕駛跟電動大客車這兩件事情拿出來講因為我們知道現在有很多公車路線基本上是不賺錢的因為不賺錢所以他們沒有人要駕駛而現在最現實就是說現在電動大客車對於偏鄉尤其是有多坡度的像在新竹新竹的這個原住民聚落也好還是在基隆有些山區也好\n\n18\n00:06:23,490 --> 00:06:23,610\n林沛祥議員\n\n19\n00:06:45,769 --> 00:06:46,069\n請你們好好研擬\n\n20\n00:07:08,119 --> 00:07:32,474\n好謝謝委員我補充一句話就是有關那個剛才委員講到電巴的推動電動巴士其實電動巴士我們推動就是希望他要智慧化所以剛才委員特別提到的自駕的這樣的我們也在電動巴士的發展的過程裡頭對於這個業者能夠符合自駕相關的一個法令我們也給予這個相關經費的輔助來輔導讓他這樣的一個電動巴士朝著智慧化來努力\n\n21\n00:07:33,274 --> 00:08:00,591\n這長因為今天時間不夠不然我可能會問你們說你們的車路線圖圖雲這五個方面你們現在做好哪些這其實每一個都是很專業的計算跟AI方面的計算但是老實講我看到的台灣目前是這個每個針對這方面的技術都是各自為證其實讓本席非常的擔憂因為我們這樣子我們一定趕不上人家先不要講說我們有沒有充電樁先不要講說我們有沒有其他的人來開車就跟針對這點上面的技術其實我認為我們是落後的\n\n22\n00:08:01,271 --> 00:08:01,531\n主席指教還是\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4459\t5984\t謝謝主席。有請陳次長。\n16796\t39014\t委員好 社長 針對目前我們要發展所謂的電動大客車產業本席是給予肯定的 因為我目前接到最新的調查報告 全國有87%的民眾認為無碳、減碳的電動車產業在台灣是有必要的 但是本席會從幾個比較\n40615\t60409\t算是比較基礎的一些方面來去請教處長根據市長在裡面我第一個根據這份報告裡面我剛剛看到的是說我們跟日本的這個電動車公司有合作那也提到說我們要設廠在巴拉圭\n62007\t82576\t請問一下我記得在上面不知道是經濟部的報告還是交通部的報告我們要跟日本的電動車公司要合作然後設廠在巴拉圭然後要做有關電動校車的製造那本席就很好奇為什麼要設在巴拉圭呢請經濟部來做說明好嗎 謝謝\n86104\t105716\t跟日本合作是日本合作市場在日本巴拉圭只要是在中南美洲的市場所以兩個市場是不太一樣的那委員請問一下第一點因為我們知道如果我們講是電動大客車的產業那這個產業鏈其實製造很多工作機會那有沒有計畫目前你們輔導有沒有計畫哪一家廠商把這個電動車產業的工作機會留在台灣呢\n109978\t130047\t現在剛才已經有跟國務委員報告華德那個華德跟承諺目前都是在台灣這邊已經除了原來的廠又額外再投資了已經投資200多億200多億那目前我想知道的是製造多少的工作機會地點是在哪裡而且實質上未來可以製造幾起工作機會既然你今天報告是大客車產業\n131368\t158340\t大產業鏈的形成畢竟最主要除了本身製造的產品要符合我們社會上使用之外更現實的是工作機會的製造我們台灣一向對於汽車產業的發展其實我們有很大的落後比起日本、韓國我們其實甚至後來在大陸我們在汽車產業上面有很大的落後我想這個是我們全國國人心中的痛那現在變成電動車產業的時候本席剛好去國外走了\n158760\t178337\t最近去國外走了一趟發現說其他國家的電動車產業也好不管大客車還是小客車甚至自動駕駛都比本國知道的東西還先進甚至我直接我不會言我記得我四年前的時候我去我去工研院參觀了我們所謂的自動駕駛那自動駕駛那個時候居然沒有辦法上路的原因是因為坡度不足\n179378\t196171\t波度的計算不足所以變成是說他們只能在公園院裡面做適用的自動車駕駛可是本期才在一個月之前到其他地方其他國家去看所謂的自動車駕駛的時候發現他們不但有不但波度的問題可以解決甚至還可以直接上路\n197112\t212946\t本席會認為說這樣來講不管這個技術是哪一國的技術本席認為我們國內是落後的那我也想請問目前以交通部跟經濟部你們現在做法是對於自動車駕駛自動駕駛也好還是電動客車也好你們現在的態度是什麼什麼時候我們可以看到上路的電動客車\n214187\t243567\t我們現在為什麼會問這問題最現實是現在沒有人想當司機真的沒有人想當司機本身因為這件事情則則是公路總局跟交通部特地針對他們司機的福利特地要加強但是我現在看到還是沒有什麼人願意來當司機因為人家因為大家會認為司機這個工作很辛苦而且會被人家責難的時候那自動駕駛勢必是趨勢請問經濟部甚至交通部有什麼應對的有什麼因為有這個新的科技有這新的技術而應對目前就業市場\n244667\t264835\t我先回答經濟部這一部分其實剛才委員講的投資剛才我講的是整車成德華園已經在臺中彰化屏東投資另外其實在零組件部分在荷花鴻海在荷花投資這個投資有將近700億主要是做電池這一部分已經有創造國內企業圈另外剛才談到自動駕駛其實目前\n265655\t289758\t在高雄那一部分在雅灣已經有在做自動駕駛的一個試驗院因為這一部分技術確實是陳副委員講的還不是很成熟另外在台南的綠能沙崙科技園區也有在做這樣的試範運行所以自駕這一部分我們經濟部是有投入一些科技經費在協助廠商在做自動駕駛這一部分那目前都已經在做一些試範運行\n292321\t314458\t那聚焦交通部你們對於本席剛剛的問題怎麼答詢呢?這個部分我跟委員報告一下 裡面有兩塊是這個電動大客車跟這個電動小客車的部分那第一塊就是說 剛剛有報告就是說 針對自駕的部分 那目前是優先聚焦希望能夠在電動大客車 就是公車這個部分能夠讓他這一個可行\n314818\t328947\t那我也跟委員報告就是說裡面有16案這個之前申請這個沙盒實驗其中有12案是屬於這一個公司的部分那只是說現在沙盒實驗就是說雖然是某種程度之下但是人還市級還是要在這個上面\n330788\t355521\t另外一個部分的話像剛剛這個林沛祥有提到這個台積電跟在這個欄卡他已經有實際這個都已經有實際運貨部分那另外我們公共總局在台61也有個中巴這個自駕實際運行的一個部分那針對自駕的這一塊的一個部分的話其實跟委員報告就是說目前大概系統都還在發展當中那基本上人都還要某種程度的這個monitor\n356281\t382850\t好 謝謝我這邊要特地提醒因為時間關係我最近最後面提醒一件事情為什麼我把自動駕駛跟電動大客車這兩件事情拿出來講因為我們知道現在有很多公車路線基本上是不賺錢的因為不賺錢所以他們沒有人要駕駛而現在最現實就是說現在電動大客車對於偏鄉尤其是有多坡度的像在新竹新竹的這個原住民聚落也好還是在基隆有些山區也好\n383490\t383610\t林沛祥議員\n405769\t406069\t請你們好好研擬\n428119\t452474\t好 謝謝委員我補充一句話就是有關那個剛才委員講到電巴的推動電動巴士其實電動巴士我們推動就是希望他要智慧化所以剛才委員特別提到的自駕的這樣的我們也在電動巴士的發展的過程裡頭對於這個業者能夠符合自駕相關的一個法令我們也給予這個相關經費的輔助來輔導讓他這樣的一個電動巴士朝著智慧化來努力\n453274\t480591\t這長因為今天時間不夠不然我可能會問你們說你們的車路線圖圖雲這五個方面你們現在做好哪些這其實每一個都是很專業的計算跟AI方面的計算但是老實講我看到的台灣目前是這個每個針對這方面的技術都是各自為證其實讓本席非常的擔憂因為我們這樣子我們一定趕不上人家先不要講說我們有沒有充電樁先不要講說我們有沒有其他的人來開車就跟針對這點上面的技術其實我認為我們是落後的\n481271\t481531\t主席指教還是\n","txt":"謝謝主席。有請陳次長。\n委員好 社長 針對目前我們要發展所謂的電動大客車產業本席是給予肯定的 因為我目前接到最新的調查報告 全國有87%的民眾認為無碳、減碳的電動車產業在台灣是有必要的 但是本席會從幾個比較\n算是比較基礎的一些方面來去請教處長根據市長在裡面我第一個根據這份報告裡面我剛剛看到的是說我們跟日本的這個電動車公司有合作那也提到說我們要設廠在巴拉圭\n請問一下我記得在上面不知道是經濟部的報告還是交通部的報告我們要跟日本的電動車公司要合作然後設廠在巴拉圭然後要做有關電動校車的製造那本席就很好奇為什麼要設在巴拉圭呢請經濟部來做說明好嗎 謝謝\n跟日本合作是日本合作市場在日本巴拉圭只要是在中南美洲的市場所以兩個市場是不太一樣的那委員請問一下第一點因為我們知道如果我們講是電動大客車的產業那這個產業鏈其實製造很多工作機會那有沒有計畫目前你們輔導有沒有計畫哪一家廠商把這個電動車產業的工作機會留在台灣呢\n現在剛才已經有跟國務委員報告華德那個華德跟承諺目前都是在台灣這邊已經除了原來的廠又額外再投資了已經投資200多億200多億那目前我想知道的是製造多少的工作機會地點是在哪裡而且實質上未來可以製造幾起工作機會既然你今天報告是大客車產業\n大產業鏈的形成畢竟最主要除了本身製造的產品要符合我們社會上使用之外更現實的是工作機會的製造我們台灣一向對於汽車產業的發展其實我們有很大的落後比起日本、韓國我們其實甚至後來在大陸我們在汽車產業上面有很大的落後我想這個是我們全國國人心中的痛那現在變成電動車產業的時候本席剛好去國外走了\n最近去國外走了一趟發現說其他國家的電動車產業也好不管大客車還是小客車甚至自動駕駛都比本國知道的東西還先進甚至我直接我不會言我記得我四年前的時候我去我去工研院參觀了我們所謂的自動駕駛那自動駕駛那個時候居然沒有辦法上路的原因是因為坡度不足\n波度的計算不足所以變成是說他們只能在公園院裡面做適用的自動車駕駛可是本期才在一個月之前到其他地方其他國家去看所謂的自動車駕駛的時候發現他們不但有不但波度的問題可以解決甚至還可以直接上路\n本席會認為說這樣來講不管這個技術是哪一國的技術本席認為我們國內是落後的那我也想請問目前以交通部跟經濟部你們現在做法是對於自動車駕駛自動駕駛也好還是電動客車也好你們現在的態度是什麼什麼時候我們可以看到上路的電動客車\n我們現在為什麼會問這問題最現實是現在沒有人想當司機真的沒有人想當司機本身因為這件事情則則是公路總局跟交通部特地針對他們司機的福利特地要加強但是我現在看到還是沒有什麼人願意來當司機因為人家因為大家會認為司機這個工作很辛苦而且會被人家責難的時候那自動駕駛勢必是趨勢請問經濟部甚至交通部有什麼應對的有什麼因為有這個新的科技有這新的技術而應對目前就業市場\n我先回答經濟部這一部分其實剛才委員講的投資剛才我講的是整車成德華園已經在臺中彰化屏東投資另外其實在零組件部分在荷花鴻海在荷花投資這個投資有將近700億主要是做電池這一部分已經有創造國內企業圈另外剛才談到自動駕駛其實目前\n在高雄那一部分在雅灣已經有在做自動駕駛的一個試驗院因為這一部分技術確實是陳副委員講的還不是很成熟另外在台南的綠能沙崙科技園區也有在做這樣的試範運行所以自駕這一部分我們經濟部是有投入一些科技經費在協助廠商在做自動駕駛這一部分那目前都已經在做一些試範運行\n那聚焦交通部你們對於本席剛剛的問題怎麼答詢呢?這個部分我跟委員報告一下 裡面有兩塊是這個電動大客車跟這個電動小客車的部分那第一塊就是說 剛剛有報告就是說 針對自駕的部分 那目前是優先聚焦希望能夠在電動大客車 就是公車這個部分能夠讓他這一個可行\n那我也跟委員報告就是說裡面有16案這個之前申請這個沙盒實驗其中有12案是屬於這一個公司的部分那只是說現在沙盒實驗就是說雖然是某種程度之下但是人還市級還是要在這個上面\n另外一個部分的話像剛剛這個林沛祥有提到這個台積電跟在這個欄卡他已經有實際這個都已經有實際運貨部分那另外我們公共總局在台61也有個中巴這個自駕實際運行的一個部分那針對自駕的這一塊的一個部分的話其實跟委員報告就是說目前大概系統都還在發展當中那基本上人都還要某種程度的這個monitor\n好 謝謝我這邊要特地提醒因為時間關係我最近最後面提醒一件事情為什麼我把自動駕駛跟電動大客車這兩件事情拿出來講因為我們知道現在有很多公車路線基本上是不賺錢的因為不賺錢所以他們沒有人要駕駛而現在最現實就是說現在電動大客車對於偏鄉尤其是有多坡度的像在新竹新竹的這個原住民聚落也好還是在基隆有些山區也好\n林沛祥議員\n請你們好好研擬\n好 謝謝委員我補充一句話就是有關那個剛才委員講到電巴的推動電動巴士其實電動巴士我們推動就是希望他要智慧化所以剛才委員特別提到的自駕的這樣的我們也在電動巴士的發展的過程裡頭對於這個業者能夠符合自駕相關的一個法令我們也給予這個相關經費的輔助來輔導讓他這樣的一個電動巴士朝著智慧化來努力\n這長因為今天時間不夠不然我可能會問你們說你們的車路線圖圖雲這五個方面你們現在做好哪些這其實每一個都是很專業的計算跟AI方面的計算但是老實講我看到的台灣目前是這個每個針對這方面的技術都是各自為證其實讓本席非常的擔憂因為我們這樣子我們一定趕不上人家先不要講說我們有沒有充電樁先不要講說我們有沒有其他的人來開車就跟針對這點上面的技術其實我認為我們是落後的\n主席指教還是\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.459 --> 00:05.984\n謝謝主席。有請陳次長。\n\n00:16.796 --> 00:39.014\n委員好社長針對目前我們要發展所謂的電動大客車產業本席是給予肯定的因為我目前接到最新的調查報告全國有87%的民眾認為無碳、減碳的電動車產業在台灣是有必要的但是本席會從幾個比較\n\n00:40.615 --> 01:00.409\n算是比較基礎的一些方面來去請教處長根據市長在裡面我第一個根據這份報告裡面我剛剛看到的是說我們跟日本的這個電動車公司有合作那也提到說我們要設廠在巴拉圭\n\n01:02.007 --> 01:22.576\n請問一下我記得在上面不知道是經濟部的報告還是交通部的報告我們要跟日本的電動車公司要合作然後設廠在巴拉圭然後要做有關電動校車的製造那本席就很好奇為什麼要設在巴拉圭呢請經濟部來做說明好嗎謝謝\n\n01:26.104 --> 01:45.716\n跟日本合作是日本合作市場在日本巴拉圭只要是在中南美洲的市場所以兩個市場是不太一樣的那委員請問一下第一點因為我們知道如果我們講是電動大客車的產業那這個產業鏈其實製造很多工作機會那有沒有計畫目前你們輔導有沒有計畫哪一家廠商把這個電動車產業的工作機會留在台灣呢\n\n01:49.978 --> 02:10.047\n現在剛才已經有跟國務委員報告華德那個華德跟承諺目前都是在台灣這邊已經除了原來的廠又額外再投資了已經投資200多億200多億那目前我想知道的是製造多少的工作機會地點是在哪裡而且實質上未來可以製造幾起工作機會既然你今天報告是大客車產業\n\n02:11.368 --> 02:38.340\n大產業鏈的形成畢竟最主要除了本身製造的產品要符合我們社會上使用之外更現實的是工作機會的製造我們台灣一向對於汽車產業的發展其實我們有很大的落後比起日本、韓國我們其實甚至後來在大陸我們在汽車產業上面有很大的落後我想這個是我們全國國人心中的痛那現在變成電動車產業的時候本席剛好去國外走了\n\n02:38.760 --> 02:58.337\n最近去國外走了一趟發現說其他國家的電動車產業也好不管大客車還是小客車甚至自動駕駛都比本國知道的東西還先進甚至我直接我不會言我記得我四年前的時候我去我去工研院參觀了我們所謂的自動駕駛那自動駕駛那個時候居然沒有辦法上路的原因是因為坡度不足\n\n02:59.378 --> 03:16.171\n波度的計算不足所以變成是說他們只能在公園院裡面做適用的自動車駕駛可是本期才在一個月之前到其他地方其他國家去看所謂的自動車駕駛的時候發現他們不但有不但波度的問題可以解決甚至還可以直接上路\n\n03:17.112 --> 03:32.946\n本席會認為說這樣來講不管這個技術是哪一國的技術本席認為我們國內是落後的那我也想請問目前以交通部跟經濟部你們現在做法是對於自動車駕駛自動駕駛也好還是電動客車也好你們現在的態度是什麼什麼時候我們可以看到上路的電動客車\n\n03:34.187 --> 04:03.567\n我們現在為什麼會問這問題最現實是現在沒有人想當司機真的沒有人想當司機本身因為這件事情則則是公路總局跟交通部特地針對他們司機的福利特地要加強但是我現在看到還是沒有什麼人願意來當司機因為人家因為大家會認為司機這個工作很辛苦而且會被人家責難的時候那自動駕駛勢必是趨勢請問經濟部甚至交通部有什麼應對的有什麼因為有這個新的科技有這新的技術而應對目前就業市場\n\n04:04.667 --> 04:24.835\n我先回答經濟部這一部分其實剛才委員講的投資剛才我講的是整車成德華園已經在臺中彰化屏東投資另外其實在零組件部分在荷花鴻海在荷花投資這個投資有將近700億主要是做電池這一部分已經有創造國內企業圈另外剛才談到自動駕駛其實目前\n\n04:25.655 --> 04:49.758\n在高雄那一部分在雅灣已經有在做自動駕駛的一個試驗院因為這一部分技術確實是陳副委員講的還不是很成熟另外在台南的綠能沙崙科技園區也有在做這樣的試範運行所以自駕這一部分我們經濟部是有投入一些科技經費在協助廠商在做自動駕駛這一部分那目前都已經在做一些試範運行\n\n04:52.321 --> 05:14.458\n那聚焦交通部你們對於本席剛剛的問題怎麼答詢呢?這個部分我跟委員報告一下裡面有兩塊是這個電動大客車跟這個電動小客車的部分那第一塊就是說剛剛有報告就是說針對自駕的部分那目前是優先聚焦希望能夠在電動大客車就是公車這個部分能夠讓他這一個可行\n\n05:14.818 --> 05:28.947\n那我也跟委員報告就是說裡面有16案這個之前申請這個沙盒實驗其中有12案是屬於這一個公司的部分那只是說現在沙盒實驗就是說雖然是某種程度之下但是人還市級還是要在這個上面\n\n05:30.788 --> 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