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00:02:44,485\n我覺得都是正向的那當然就是第一開始首次嘗試的一個政策嘛那有不足的地方再麻煩我們跨部會一起來加油好不好我想業者在提出申請的時候我們都會請縣市政府來輔導他然後他提出整體的一個對瞭解他們為什麼有一些沒有申請的業者有些業者申請很多嘛有些業者就是沒有申請我去瞭解沒有申請業者他的原因是什麼我們來協助來輔導而且我們會特別針對非直轄市的部分縣市來輔導\n\n8\n00:02:45,945 --> 00:03:03,695\n好謝謝那這個在討論到自駕的問題其實我之前也有在我們委員會有提到自駕的課題那一天經濟部沒來那天我有引述我們經濟部的一個案例我們有輔導我們國內的廠商到澳洲去協助澳洲在他們的高速公路建置這個大貨車的一個自駕系統\n\n9\n00:03:07,637 --> 00:03:13,441\n那其實我當初在委員會就提出來了其實我們國內在選我不知道為什麼當初我們國內在選擇自駕大客車跟大貨車的時候選擇優先發展大客車因為大客車的門檻應該是比較高的因為大客車的司機除了開車之外他可能還要處理一些人的問題乘客如果在車上跌倒\n\n10\n00:03:29,013 --> 00:03:29,633\n廖先翔\n\n11\n00:03:51,423 --> 00:03:51,643\n廖先翔\n\n12\n00:04:09,072 --> 00:04:27,463\n抱歉更正大貨車其實它沒有這些問題它原則上我們應該是借同高速公路來推動那因為它是一個封閉型的道路它所受到的一些包括行人或其他機車所受到的干擾會比較少那包括它也不用處理人的問題包括它可能發生故障的時候\n\n13\n00:04:28,263 --> 00:04:45,232\n他所會面臨到的挑戰也會比較少那我可不可以先請教一下為什麼當初會先選擇大客車而不是大貨車來試行我們明明有這個能力去輔導國外澳洲高速公路的業者去推動那為什麼國內沒有推動反而在國內坐大貨車而不是大貨車\n\n14\n00:04:49,817 --> 00:05:10,115\n這個其實這會涉及到一些安全性的問題因為那時候會先做從大客車做事因為大客車程式委員講的他運輸的距離比較短有一些因素不確定因素是比較可以去做控制也只是在我們在一些封閉式的情況下在短距離在運輸這個不確定因素是可以去控制的\n\n15\n00:05:10,555 --> 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