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00:00:30,897\n以我們的規劃大概11700輛原則上12000輛那到現在還有6年的時間可以達成這個目標今年2024年到目前為止你的報告裡面是1944輛換言之還有將近9500輛左右需要達到這個目標\n\n3\n00:00:48,522 --> 00:01:03,011\n9500輛來我們有跟委員有規劃啦原則上今年大概要有25%然後在這個25年的預計今年年底要達到多少輛電動化3000多輛\n\n4\n00:01:05,913 --> 00:01:32,086\n三千多輛去年底本來目標是兩千零三十輛就跳票了嘛那目前是落後將近百分之二十本席希望你達到我先開宗明義先講我今天來質詢是希望我們能夠督促我們的目標達成因為既然你已經訂下一個2030年要全面電動化我們在檢討好不好所以我現在只是想確認是說今年年底可以有三千多輛有保證嗎\n\n5\n00:01:35,492 --> 00:01:55,461\n公務委員報告一下確實這個區域稍微稍微落差那今年的目標量是3300輛3300輛民購保證缺額大概是1300多輛那目前這個公共總局各地方政府交上來的大概已經審查當中的1200多輛所以相關這個1300多輛的部分今年年底都可以這個核定然後來打造車輛\n\n6\n00:01:56,212 --> 00:02:12,277\n不要美化數字啦我們要的是能夠真的上路嘛對不對你的達成不是說到最後審查通過然後沒有辦法真的上路我們現在講的都是說在真的領牌領牌的車輛是1900多輛嘛對不對\n\n7\n00:02:16,019 --> 00:02:34,960\n兩個部分是民眾或說這個客運業者認為說現在為什麼電動化巴士那麼困難的原因我想之前媒體有報導本身也去做了解也聽了很多業者的一個心聲兩個第一國產電動大巴選擇性太少到目前為止有幾個廠商合格廠商\n\n8\n00:02:36,430 --> 00:02:58,089\n報告委員目前通過這個十項國產化的部分有兩家兩家廠商連汽車客運業者都講說這三年來只有承運跟華德兩家取得據瞭解還有三四家同業努力爭取符合示範型的補助計畫沒有通過可能真的是因為門檻太高這是業者講的\n\n9\n00:02:59,537 --> 00:03:10,170\n那到目前為止本席也納悶了既然大家我們也希望是推動電動化那能夠取得這樣子一個合格的部分只有這兩家那會不會真的是門檻太高\n\n10\n00:03:12,028 --> 00:03:33,472\n跟我們報告一下目前通過是這兩家那其實有三家一直我們跟這個經濟部一直在補導應該最近啦應該最近會有新通過的這個已經有廠商有取得大概就是在這個經濟部的分組裡面大概已經審查通過了我們後續會召開委員會來做審查確認\n\n11\n00:03:37,150 --> 00:04:00,140\n那另外也有講到第二個問題是臺電不給電業者很苦惱就是配電的部分因為很多業者也很多客戶連天啊講說在電動巴士的這個充電柱依賴臺電的電力供給但是臺電的電力供給在每一個地方因為電動巴士可能停放的地方相對來講是比較空曠的地方\n\n12\n00:04:00,740 --> 00:04:22,192\n那空曠的地方也許它的電網就配置沒有那麼足夠所以南港、內湖、新北市本期的巴黎臺電當初規劃就沒有想到會有增加那麼多的用電量那現在突然間說要用電動巴士了就會碰上供電瓶頸那在這個部分我們公路總局以及相關單位能夠怎麼樣協助\n\n13\n00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:53,951\n否則會變成說我們到2013年的時候我們大家都是用電動巴士結果電動巴士放在那邊沒有電可以用沒有電可以充他要設置充電樁沒有辦法設置台電的供電供電不了來各位委員報告剛才委員提的那個中山、松山內、武蘭港他因為那個台電的那個要建一個松湖超高超高變電所現在建造已經拿到了吼那預計今年7月可以興建完成就可以解決剛才委員講的那些問題主要是變電站的問題那其他勒\n\n14\n00:04:55,604 --> 00:05:12,634\n本席的巴黎其他各縣市你剛剛講的是台北嘛台北相對來講以本席出錢的推估因為人口數比較多嘛比較容易建設嘛那但是其他縣市呢你一萬兩千多台電動巴士難道只有在台北市嗎還是全台灣都要有\n\n15\n00:05:13,494 --> 00:05:41,110\n我跟委員報告原則上這個客運業者在提出這個申請的時候我們大概都會跟地方政府再來好幫你說明一下跟委員報告目前整個在受理要有電動車、公車充電利用站總共有84件那已經解決79件那5件現在正在進行施工市長那回來了我覺得這一點不要聽美化的數字說實在話\n\n16\n00:05:42,765 --> 00:05:50,702\n你現在每年逐步成長增加剛剛也提到你現在到今年年底只有百分之以你的標準25%\n\n17\n00:06:14,039 --> 00:06:26,157\n本席今天提出來的問題在於是我們應該要協助交通部這邊應該要主動協助就是說客運業者跟我們的台電以及經濟部這邊來做一個商討哪邊應該要加強電網\n\n18\n00:06:28,567 --> 00:06:54,597\n這一點才是重點吧是我想委員建議提示的很好這部分我們會跟經濟部共同來努力其實現在這個國道服務區有關那個充電裝電網就是用這樣的方式跟台電來育為規劃所以他們已經就這個高速公路服務區的電網以這樣的單位相關單位是誰來做主要的負責?公路總局嗎?公路局嗎?還是路政司?\n\n19\n00:06:56,155 --> 00:06:57,616\n交通部跟經濟部什麼時候要開會?\n\n20\n00:07:15,821 --> 00:07:38,592\n你讓本席知道一下吧我們一個月內來召開會議一個月內召開供電配置跟電動車協調的一個會議還是好謝謝來最後那個主委剛剛運安會主委本席上一次您來的時候有特別跟您瞭解質詢過就是我們現在電動車來可以先請回抱歉我最後一分鐘就好\n\n21\n00:07:39,639 --> 00:08:04,997\n主委本期那時候有跟您請教過就是有關於說我們電動車現在產生那麼多的事故你那個時候跟大家講的是預計明年5月調查報告出爐嗎現在會不會有提前的狀況大家都那麼關心今天我們又再一次的針對汽車自動駕駛系統進行專案報告你還是堅守你的調查事故要到明年5月才能出爐嗎\n\n22\n00:08:06,408 --> 00:08:29,525\n我們6月份就有一個事實資料調查報告出來然後明年的6月嗎明年的6月就會全部報告出來因為我們現在有一個案子更晚喔不是啦本來是明年5月現在變明年6月不是我剛剛講錯了那個事實資料報告可不可以查清楚再講不然這樣大家會很錯愕來請\n\n23\n00:08:40,377 --> 00:09:00,641\n報告委員我們的那個事實資料報告我們會在今年的6月份我們會發布那明年的5月份我們會發布調查報告那雖然是明年5月份但是我們目前正在加速進行所以希望能夠看能不能在今年年底之前能夠盡速完成好來主委\n\n24\n00:09:02,275 --> 00:09:07,888\n這個就是大家想要聽到的是社會大眾大家都關心的時候我們要積極的作為\n\n25\n00:09:10,021 --> 00:09:31,348\n6月的時候會讓大家先知道是說我們電動車的一些事故發生的一個成因那希望能夠趕在今年年底能夠有最終調查結果是這樣嗎應該是這樣沒有錯那本席想要確認一下今天你有特別提到修訂重大公路運輸範圍事故範圍有朝降低啟動調查門檻跟擴大調查範圍的方向進行\n\n26\n00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:56,770\n你的思考方向是怎樣?原來的重創事故事調查範圍裡面,它公路、水路、航空它是一體的。公路的部分,我們本來門檻是要4個人使用,我們現在把它降低,3位以上使用。然後它的範圍方便我們也可以用這裡面講的所謂的霸王條款,只要\n\n27\n00:09:57,731 --> 00:09:59,652\n所以那跟現行的法規有什麼不同?沒有不同\n\n28\n00:10:12,810 --> 00:10:35,015\n那沒有不同你在跟我們講說你要修改、啟動、降低調查門檻、擴大調查範圍然後又說沒有不同?因為...啊你這樣是裝笑話所以本席特別提出為什麼會特別問這一句就是因為現行法規是除了第一點事故重大死亡第二點發生爆炸以及相關的危害物品以及第三點\n\n29\n00:10:36,911 --> 00:10:56,818\n財產重大影響重複發生或是情況特殊致影響公路運輸安全且經運安會認定有調查之必要就可以啟動調查換言之重複發生情況特殊影響公路運輸安全運安會認定就可以調查這就是現行法規的規範\n\n30\n00:10:57,978 --> 00:11:25,587\n那電動車的這個事故從2016、2017年開始大家比較普及用電動車高速公路上一而再再三發生事故我們之前就調出數據嘛高速公路去年有一百多件快兩百件的這種電動車自駕而造成的狀況當然是不是最終都是因為自駕所發生的不一定但是至少已經有一兩百件每年那就是重複發生那就是影響公路安全那就是運安會認定可以調查就調查了\n\n31\n00:11:26,747 --> 00:11:49,636\n所以根本不需要去修法才能說我來去做所以這一點本席要講的是做與不做其實現行法規就已經可以給你們全力去做這也是我們期待成立運安會的時候應該要做的事情不要再搪塞說我要再修訂好像現在不管你們的事要修訂之後那啟動修法\n\n32\n00:11:50,740 --> 00:12:12,228\n還要多久?你說還要送委員會、交通部、交通部之後送行政院行政院之後再送來立法院,立法院再審查光修法又要再修一年兩年這樣講對嗎?我們現行條文就可以啟動電動車但是我們的修正是要把一些新的運具也納進來一道納進來的那還有什麼?還有什麼比電動車現在自駕更嚴重的新興運具?電動車的部分我們已經還有什麼?\n\n33\n00:12:19,326 --> 00:12:19,346\n韓國瑜\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1772\t3773\t2030我們希望達到公車全面電動化,那到底會有多少輛公車要有電動化?\n25196\t30897\t以我們的規劃大概11700輛 原則上12000輛那到現在還有6年的時間可以達成這個目標今年2024年到目前為止你的報告裡面是1944輛換言之還有將近9500輛左右需要達到這個目標\n48522\t63011\t9500輛來我們有跟委員有規劃啦原則上今年大概要有25%然後在這個25年的預計今年年底要達到多少輛電動化3000多輛\n65913\t92086\t三千多輛 去年底本來目標是兩千零三十輛就跳票了嘛那目前是落後將近百分之二十本席希望你達到我先開宗明義先講我今天來質詢是希望我們能夠督促我們的目標達成因為既然你已經訂下一個2030年要全面電動化我們在檢討好不好所以我現在只是想確認是說今年年底可以有三千多輛有保證嗎\n95492\t115461\t公務委員報告一下確實這個區域稍微稍微落差那今年的目標量是3300輛3300輛民購保證缺額大概是1300多輛那目前這個公共總局各地方政府交上來的大概已經審查當中的1200多輛所以相關這個1300多輛的部分今年年底都可以這個核定然後來打造車輛\n116212\t132277\t不要美化數字啦我們要的是能夠真的上路嘛 對不對你的達成不是說到最後審查通過然後沒有辦法真的上路我們現在講的都是說在真的領牌領牌的車輛是1900多輛嘛 對不對\n136019\t154960\t兩個部分是民眾或說這個客運業者認為說現在為什麼電動化巴士那麼困難的原因我想之前媒體有報導本身也去做了解也聽了很多業者的一個心聲兩個第一國產電動大巴選擇性太少到目前為止有幾個廠商合格廠商\n156430\t178089\t報告委員目前通過這個十項國產化的部分有兩家兩家廠商連汽車客運業者都講說這三年來只有承運跟華德兩家取得據瞭解還有三四家同業努力爭取符合示範型的補助計畫沒有通過可能真的是因為門檻太高這是業者講的\n179537\t190170\t那到目前為止本席也納悶了既然大家我們也希望是推動電動化那能夠取得這樣子一個合格的部分只有這兩家那會不會真的是門檻太高\n192028\t213472\t跟我們報告一下目前通過是這兩家那其實有三家一直我們跟這個經濟部一直在補導應該最近啦應該最近會有新通過的這個已經有廠商有取得大概就是在這個經濟部的分組裡面大概已經審查通過了我們後續會召開委員會來做審查確認\n217150\t240140\t那另外也有講到第二個問題是臺電不給電業者很苦惱就是配電的部分因為很多業者也很多客戶連天啊講說在電動巴士的這個充電柱依賴臺電的電力供給但是臺電的電力供給在每一個地方因為電動巴士可能停放的地方相對來講是比較空曠的地方\n240740\t262192\t那空曠的地方也許它的電網就配置沒有那麼足夠所以南港、內湖、新北市本期的巴黎臺電當初規劃就沒有想到會有增加那麼多的用電量那現在突然間說要用電動巴士了就會碰上供電瓶頸那在這個部分我們公路總局以及相關單位能夠怎麼樣協助\n265000\t293951\t否則會變成說我們到2013年的時候我們大家都是用電動巴士結果電動巴士放在那邊沒有電可以用沒有電可以充他要設置充電樁沒有辦法設置台電的供電供電不了來各位委員報告剛才委員提的那個中山、松山內、武蘭港他因為那個台電的那個要建一個松湖超高超高變電所現在建造已經拿到了吼那預計今年7月可以興建完成就可以解決剛才委員講的那些問題主要是變電站的問題那其他勒\n295604\t312634\t本席的巴黎其他各縣市你剛剛講的是台北嘛台北相對來講以本席出錢的推估因為人口數比較多嘛比較容易建設嘛那但是其他縣市呢你一萬兩千多台電動巴士難道只有在台北市嗎還是全台灣都要有\n313494\t341110\t我跟委員報告 原則上這個客運業者在提出這個申請的時候我們大概都會跟地方政府再來好 幫你說明一下跟委員報告 目前整個在受理要有電動車、公車充電利用站總共有84件那已經解決79件那5件現在正在進行施工市長 那回來了我覺得這一點不要聽美化的數字 說實在話\n342765\t350702\t你現在每年逐步成長增加剛剛也提到你現在到今年年底只有百分之以你的標準25%\n352466\t373899\t響鐘\n374039\t386157\t本席今天提出來的問題在於是我們應該要協助交通部這邊應該要主動協助就是說客運業者跟我們的台電以及經濟部這邊來做一個商討哪邊應該要加強電網\n388567\t414597\t這一點才是重點吧是我想委員建議提示的很好這部分我們會跟經濟部共同來努力其實現在這個國道服務區有關那個充電裝電網就是用這樣的方式跟台電來育為規劃所以他們已經就這個高速公路服務區的電網以這樣的單位相關單位是誰來做主要的負責?公路總局嗎?公路局嗎?還是路政司?\n416155\t417616\t交通部跟經濟部什麼時候要開會?\n435821\t458592\t你讓本席知道一下吧我們一個月內來召開會議一個月內召開供電配置跟電動車協調的一個會議還是好 謝謝來最後那個主委剛剛運安會主委本席上一次您來的時候有特別跟您瞭解質詢過就是我們現在電動車來可以先請回抱歉我最後一分鐘就好\n459639\t484997\t主委本期那時候有跟您請教過就是有關於說我們電動車現在產生那麼多的事故你那個時候跟大家講的是預計明年5月調查報告出爐嗎現在會不會有提前的狀況大家都那麼關心今天我們又再一次的針對汽車自動駕駛系統進行專案報告你還是堅守你的調查事故要到明年5月才能出爐嗎\n486408\t509525\t我們6月份就有一個事實資料調查報告出來然後明年的6月嗎明年的6月就會全部報告出來因為我們現在有一個案子更晚喔不是啦本來是明年5月現在變明年6月不是我剛剛講錯了那個事實資料報告可不可以查清楚再講不然這樣大家會很錯愕來請\n520377\t540641\t報告委員我們的那個事實資料報告我們會在今年的6月份我們會發布那明年的5月份我們會發布調查報告那雖然是明年5月份但是我們目前正在加速進行所以希望能夠看能不能在今年年底之前能夠盡速完成好 來 主委\n542275\t547888\t這個就是大家想要聽到的是社會大眾大家都關心的時候我們要積極的作為\n550021\t571348\t6月的時候會讓大家先知道是說我們電動車的一些事故發生的一個成因那希望能夠趕在今年年底能夠有最終調查結果是這樣嗎應該是這樣沒有錯那本席想要確認一下今天你有特別提到修訂重大公路運輸範圍事故範圍有朝降低啟動調查門檻跟擴大調查範圍的方向進行\n574910\t596770\t你的思考方向是怎樣?原來的重創事故事調查範圍裡面,它公路、水路、航空它是一體的。公路的部分,我們本來門檻是要4個人使用,我們現在把它降低,3位以上使用。然後它的範圍方便我們也可以用這裡面講的所謂的霸王條款,只要\n597731\t599652\t所以那跟現行的法規有什麼不同?沒有不同\n612810\t635015\t那沒有不同你在跟我們講說你要修改、啟動、降低調查門檻、擴大調查範圍然後又說沒有不同?因為...啊你這樣是裝笑話所以本席特別提出為什麼會特別問這一句就是因為現行法規是除了第一點事故重大死亡第二點發生爆炸以及相關的危害物品以及第三點\n636911\t656818\t財產重大影響重複發生或是情況特殊致影響公路運輸安全且經運安會認定有調查之必要就可以啟動調查換言之重複發生情況特殊影響公路運輸安全運安會認定就可以調查這就是現行法規的規範\n657978\t685587\t那電動車的這個事故從2016、2017年開始大家比較普及用電動車高速公路上一而再再三發生事故我們之前就調出數據嘛高速公路去年有一百多件快兩百件的這種電動車自駕而造成的狀況當然是不是最終都是因為自駕所發生的不一定但是至少已經有一兩百件每年那就是重複發生那就是影響公路安全那就是運安會認定可以調查就調查了\n686747\t709636\t所以根本不需要去修法才能說我來去做所以這一點本席要講的是做與不做其實現行法規就已經可以給你們全力去做這也是我們期待成立運安會的時候應該要做的事情不要再搪塞說我要再修訂好像現在不管你們的事要修訂之後那啟動修法\n710740\t732228\t還要多久?你說還要送委員會、交通部、交通部之後送行政院行政院之後再送來立法院,立法院再審查光修法又要再修一年兩年這樣講對嗎?我們現行條文就可以啟動電動車但是我們的修正是要把一些新的運具也納進來一道納進來的那還有什麼?還有什麼比電動車現在自駕更嚴重的新興運具?電動車的部分我們已經 還有什麼?\n739326\t739346\t韓國瑜\n","txt":"2030我們希望達到公車全面電動化,那到底會有多少輛公車要有電動化?\n以我們的規劃大概11700輛 原則上12000輛那到現在還有6年的時間可以達成這個目標今年2024年到目前為止你的報告裡面是1944輛換言之還有將近9500輛左右需要達到這個目標\n9500輛來我們有跟委員有規劃啦原則上今年大概要有25%然後在這個25年的預計今年年底要達到多少輛電動化3000多輛\n三千多輛 去年底本來目標是兩千零三十輛就跳票了嘛那目前是落後將近百分之二十本席希望你達到我先開宗明義先講我今天來質詢是希望我們能夠督促我們的目標達成因為既然你已經訂下一個2030年要全面電動化我們在檢討好不好所以我現在只是想確認是說今年年底可以有三千多輛有保證嗎\n公務委員報告一下確實這個區域稍微稍微落差那今年的目標量是3300輛3300輛民購保證缺額大概是1300多輛那目前這個公共總局各地方政府交上來的大概已經審查當中的1200多輛所以相關這個1300多輛的部分今年年底都可以這個核定然後來打造車輛\n不要美化數字啦我們要的是能夠真的上路嘛 對不對你的達成不是說到最後審查通過然後沒有辦法真的上路我們現在講的都是說在真的領牌領牌的車輛是1900多輛嘛 對不對\n兩個部分是民眾或說這個客運業者認為說現在為什麼電動化巴士那麼困難的原因我想之前媒體有報導本身也去做了解也聽了很多業者的一個心聲兩個第一國產電動大巴選擇性太少到目前為止有幾個廠商合格廠商\n報告委員目前通過這個十項國產化的部分有兩家兩家廠商連汽車客運業者都講說這三年來只有承運跟華德兩家取得據瞭解還有三四家同業努力爭取符合示範型的補助計畫沒有通過可能真的是因為門檻太高這是業者講的\n那到目前為止本席也納悶了既然大家我們也希望是推動電動化那能夠取得這樣子一個合格的部分只有這兩家那會不會真的是門檻太高\n跟我們報告一下目前通過是這兩家那其實有三家一直我們跟這個經濟部一直在補導應該最近啦應該最近會有新通過的這個已經有廠商有取得大概就是在這個經濟部的分組裡面大概已經審查通過了我們後續會召開委員會來做審查確認\n那另外也有講到第二個問題是臺電不給電業者很苦惱就是配電的部分因為很多業者也很多客戶連天啊講說在電動巴士的這個充電柱依賴臺電的電力供給但是臺電的電力供給在每一個地方因為電動巴士可能停放的地方相對來講是比較空曠的地方\n那空曠的地方也許它的電網就配置沒有那麼足夠所以南港、內湖、新北市本期的巴黎臺電當初規劃就沒有想到會有增加那麼多的用電量那現在突然間說要用電動巴士了就會碰上供電瓶頸那在這個部分我們公路總局以及相關單位能夠怎麼樣協助\n否則會變成說我們到2013年的時候我們大家都是用電動巴士結果電動巴士放在那邊沒有電可以用沒有電可以充他要設置充電樁沒有辦法設置台電的供電供電不了來各位委員報告剛才委員提的那個中山、松山內、武蘭港他因為那個台電的那個要建一個松湖超高超高變電所現在建造已經拿到了吼那預計今年7月可以興建完成就可以解決剛才委員講的那些問題主要是變電站的問題那其他勒\n本席的巴黎其他各縣市你剛剛講的是台北嘛台北相對來講以本席出錢的推估因為人口數比較多嘛比較容易建設嘛那但是其他縣市呢你一萬兩千多台電動巴士難道只有在台北市嗎還是全台灣都要有\n我跟委員報告 原則上這個客運業者在提出這個申請的時候我們大概都會跟地方政府再來好 幫你說明一下跟委員報告 目前整個在受理要有電動車、公車充電利用站總共有84件那已經解決79件那5件現在正在進行施工市長 那回來了我覺得這一點不要聽美化的數字 說實在話\n你現在每年逐步成長增加剛剛也提到你現在到今年年底只有百分之以你的標準25%\n響鐘\n本席今天提出來的問題在於是我們應該要協助交通部這邊應該要主動協助就是說客運業者跟我們的台電以及經濟部這邊來做一個商討哪邊應該要加強電網\n這一點才是重點吧是我想委員建議提示的很好這部分我們會跟經濟部共同來努力其實現在這個國道服務區有關那個充電裝電網就是用這樣的方式跟台電來育為規劃所以他們已經就這個高速公路服務區的電網以這樣的單位相關單位是誰來做主要的負責?公路總局嗎?公路局嗎?還是路政司?\n交通部跟經濟部什麼時候要開會?\n你讓本席知道一下吧我們一個月內來召開會議一個月內召開供電配置跟電動車協調的一個會議還是好 謝謝來最後那個主委剛剛運安會主委本席上一次您來的時候有特別跟您瞭解質詢過就是我們現在電動車來可以先請回抱歉我最後一分鐘就好\n主委本期那時候有跟您請教過就是有關於說我們電動車現在產生那麼多的事故你那個時候跟大家講的是預計明年5月調查報告出爐嗎現在會不會有提前的狀況大家都那麼關心今天我們又再一次的針對汽車自動駕駛系統進行專案報告你還是堅守你的調查事故要到明年5月才能出爐嗎\n我們6月份就有一個事實資料調查報告出來然後明年的6月嗎明年的6月就會全部報告出來因為我們現在有一個案子更晚喔不是啦本來是明年5月現在變明年6月不是我剛剛講錯了那個事實資料報告可不可以查清楚再講不然這樣大家會很錯愕來請\n報告委員我們的那個事實資料報告我們會在今年的6月份我們會發布那明年的5月份我們會發布調查報告那雖然是明年5月份但是我們目前正在加速進行所以希望能夠看能不能在今年年底之前能夠盡速完成好 來 主委\n這個就是大家想要聽到的是社會大眾大家都關心的時候我們要積極的作為\n6月的時候會讓大家先知道是說我們電動車的一些事故發生的一個成因那希望能夠趕在今年年底能夠有最終調查結果是這樣嗎應該是這樣沒有錯那本席想要確認一下今天你有特別提到修訂重大公路運輸範圍事故範圍有朝降低啟動調查門檻跟擴大調查範圍的方向進行\n你的思考方向是怎樣?原來的重創事故事調查範圍裡面,它公路、水路、航空它是一體的。公路的部分,我們本來門檻是要4個人使用,我們現在把它降低,3位以上使用。然後它的範圍方便我們也可以用這裡面講的所謂的霸王條款,只要\n所以那跟現行的法規有什麼不同?沒有不同\n那沒有不同你在跟我們講說你要修改、啟動、降低調查門檻、擴大調查範圍然後又說沒有不同?因為...啊你這樣是裝笑話所以本席特別提出為什麼會特別問這一句就是因為現行法規是除了第一點事故重大死亡第二點發生爆炸以及相關的危害物品以及第三點\n財產重大影響重複發生或是情況特殊致影響公路運輸安全且經運安會認定有調查之必要就可以啟動調查換言之重複發生情況特殊影響公路運輸安全運安會認定就可以調查這就是現行法規的規範\n那電動車的這個事故從2016、2017年開始大家比較普及用電動車高速公路上一而再再三發生事故我們之前就調出數據嘛高速公路去年有一百多件快兩百件的這種電動車自駕而造成的狀況當然是不是最終都是因為自駕所發生的不一定但是至少已經有一兩百件每年那就是重複發生那就是影響公路安全那就是運安會認定可以調查就調查了\n所以根本不需要去修法才能說我來去做所以這一點本席要講的是做與不做其實現行法規就已經可以給你們全力去做這也是我們期待成立運安會的時候應該要做的事情不要再搪塞說我要再修訂好像現在不管你們的事要修訂之後那啟動修法\n還要多久?你說還要送委員會、交通部、交通部之後送行政院行政院之後再送來立法院,立法院再審查光修法又要再修一年兩年這樣講對嗎?我們現行條文就可以啟動電動車但是我們的修正是要把一些新的運具也納進來一道納進來的那還有什麼?還有什麼比電動車現在自駕更嚴重的新興運具?電動車的部分我們已經 還有什麼?\n韓國瑜\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.772 --> 00:03.773\n2030我們希望達到公車全面電動化,那到底會有多少輛公車要有電動化?\n\n00:25.196 --> 00:30.897\n以我們的規劃大概11700輛原則上12000輛那到現在還有6年的時間可以達成這個目標今年2024年到目前為止你的報告裡面是1944輛換言之還有將近9500輛左右需要達到這個目標\n\n00:48.522 --> 01:03.011\n9500輛來我們有跟委員有規劃啦原則上今年大概要有25%然後在這個25年的預計今年年底要達到多少輛電動化3000多輛\n\n01:05.913 --> 01:32.086\n三千多輛去年底本來目標是兩千零三十輛就跳票了嘛那目前是落後將近百分之二十本席希望你達到我先開宗明義先講我今天來質詢是希望我們能夠督促我們的目標達成因為既然你已經訂下一個2030年要全面電動化我們在檢討好不好所以我現在只是想確認是說今年年底可以有三千多輛有保證嗎\n\n01:35.492 --> 01:55.461\n公務委員報告一下確實這個區域稍微稍微落差那今年的目標量是3300輛3300輛民購保證缺額大概是1300多輛那目前這個公共總局各地方政府交上來的大概已經審查當中的1200多輛所以相關這個1300多輛的部分今年年底都可以這個核定然後來打造車輛\n\n01:56.212 --> 02:12.277\n不要美化數字啦我們要的是能夠真的上路嘛對不對你的達成不是說到最後審查通過然後沒有辦法真的上路我們現在講的都是說在真的領牌領牌的車輛是1900多輛嘛對不對\n\n02:16.019 --> 02:34.960\n兩個部分是民眾或說這個客運業者認為說現在為什麼電動化巴士那麼困難的原因我想之前媒體有報導本身也去做了解也聽了很多業者的一個心聲兩個第一國產電動大巴選擇性太少到目前為止有幾個廠商合格廠商\n\n02:36.430 --> 02:58.089\n報告委員目前通過這個十項國產化的部分有兩家兩家廠商連汽車客運業者都講說這三年來只有承運跟華德兩家取得據瞭解還有三四家同業努力爭取符合示範型的補助計畫沒有通過可能真的是因為門檻太高這是業者講的\n\n02:59.537 --> 03:10.170\n那到目前為止本席也納悶了既然大家我們也希望是推動電動化那能夠取得這樣子一個合格的部分只有這兩家那會不會真的是門檻太高\n\n03:12.028 --> 03:33.472\n跟我們報告一下目前通過是這兩家那其實有三家一直我們跟這個經濟部一直在補導應該最近啦應該最近會有新通過的這個已經有廠商有取得大概就是在這個經濟部的分組裡面大概已經審查通過了我們後續會召開委員會來做審查確認\n\n03:37.150 --> 04:00.140\n那另外也有講到第二個問題是臺電不給電業者很苦惱就是配電的部分因為很多業者也很多客戶連天啊講說在電動巴士的這個充電柱依賴臺電的電力供給但是臺電的電力供給在每一個地方因為電動巴士可能停放的地方相對來講是比較空曠的地方\n\n04:00.740 --> 04:22.192\n那空曠的地方也許它的電網就配置沒有那麼足夠所以南港、內湖、新北市本期的巴黎臺電當初規劃就沒有想到會有增加那麼多的用電量那現在突然間說要用電動巴士了就會碰上供電瓶頸那在這個部分我們公路總局以及相關單位能夠怎麼樣協助\n\n04:25.000 --> 04:53.951\n否則會變成說我們到2013年的時候我們大家都是用電動巴士結果電動巴士放在那邊沒有電可以用沒有電可以充他要設置充電樁沒有辦法設置台電的供電供電不了來各位委員報告剛才委員提的那個中山、松山內、武蘭港他因為那個台電的那個要建一個松湖超高超高變電所現在建造已經拿到了吼那預計今年7月可以興建完成就可以解決剛才委員講的那些問題主要是變電站的問題那其他勒\n\n04:55.604 --> 05:12.634\n本席的巴黎其他各縣市你剛剛講的是台北嘛台北相對來講以本席出錢的推估因為人口數比較多嘛比較容易建設嘛那但是其他縣市呢你一萬兩千多台電動巴士難道只有在台北市嗎還是全台灣都要有\n\n05:13.494 --> 05:41.110\n我跟委員報告原則上這個客運業者在提出這個申請的時候我們大概都會跟地方政府再來好幫你說明一下跟委員報告目前整個在受理要有電動車、公車充電利用站總共有84件那已經解決79件那5件現在正在進行施工市長那回來了我覺得這一點不要聽美化的數字說實在話\n\n05:42.765 --> 05:50.702\n你現在每年逐步成長增加剛剛也提到你現在到今年年底只有百分之以你的標準25%\n\n06:14.039 --> 06:26.157\n本席今天提出來的問題在於是我們應該要協助交通部這邊應該要主動協助就是說客運業者跟我們的台電以及經濟部這邊來做一個商討哪邊應該要加強電網\n\n06:28.567 --> 06:54.597\n這一點才是重點吧是我想委員建議提示的很好這部分我們會跟經濟部共同來努力其實現在這個國道服務區有關那個充電裝電網就是用這樣的方式跟台電來育為規劃所以他們已經就這個高速公路服務區的電網以這樣的單位相關單位是誰來做主要的負責?公路總局嗎?公路局嗎?還是路政司?\n\n06:56.155 --> 06:57.616\n交通部跟經濟部什麼時候要開會?\n\n07:15.821 --> 07:38.592\n你讓本席知道一下吧我們一個月內來召開會議一個月內召開供電配置跟電動車協調的一個會議還是好謝謝來最後那個主委剛剛運安會主委本席上一次您來的時候有特別跟您瞭解質詢過就是我們現在電動車來可以先請回抱歉我最後一分鐘就好\n\n07:39.639 --> 08:04.997\n主委本期那時候有跟您請教過就是有關於說我們電動車現在產生那麼多的事故你那個時候跟大家講的是預計明年5月調查報告出爐嗎現在會不會有提前的狀況大家都那麼關心今天我們又再一次的針對汽車自動駕駛系統進行專案報告你還是堅守你的調查事故要到明年5月才能出爐嗎\n\n08:06.408 --> 08:29.525\n我們6月份就有一個事實資料調查報告出來然後明年的6月嗎明年的6月就會全部報告出來因為我們現在有一個案子更晚喔不是啦本來是明年5月現在變明年6月不是我剛剛講錯了那個事實資料報告可不可以查清楚再講不然這樣大家會很錯愕來請\n\n08:40.377 --> 09:00.641\n報告委員我們的那個事實資料報告我們會在今年的6月份我們會發布那明年的5月份我們會發布調查報告那雖然是明年5月份但是我們目前正在加速進行所以希望能夠看能不能在今年年底之前能夠盡速完成好來主委\n\n09:02.275 --> 09:07.888\n這個就是大家想要聽到的是社會大眾大家都關心的時候我們要積極的作為\n\n09:10.021 --> 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原則上這個客運業者在提出這個申請的時候我們大概都會跟地方政府再來好 幫你說明一下跟委員報告 目前整個在受理要有電動車、公車充電利用站總共有84件那已經解決79件那5件現在正在進行施工市長 那回來了我覺得這一點不要聽美化的數字 說實在話"},{"start":342.765,"end":350.702,"text":"你現在每年逐步成長增加剛剛也提到你現在到今年年底只有百分之以你的標準25%"},{"start":352.466,"end":373.899,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":374.039,"end":386.157,"text":"本席今天提出來的問題在於是我們應該要協助交通部這邊應該要主動協助就是說客運業者跟我們的台電以及經濟部這邊來做一個商討哪邊應該要加強電網"},{"start":388.567,"end":414.597,"text":"這一點才是重點吧是我想委員建議提示的很好這部分我們會跟經濟部共同來努力其實現在這個國道服務區有關那個充電裝電網就是用這樣的方式跟台電來育為規劃所以他們已經就這個高速公路服務區的電網以這樣的單位相關單位是誰來做主要的負責?公路總局嗎?公路局嗎?還是路政司?"},{"start":416.155,"end":417.616,"text":"交通部跟經濟部什麼時候要開會?"},{"start":435.821,"end":458.592,"text":"你讓本席知道一下吧我們一個月內來召開會議一個月內召開供電配置跟電動車協調的一個會議還是好 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主委"},{"start":542.275,"end":547.888,"text":"這個就是大家想要聽到的是社會大眾大家都關心的時候我們要積極的作為"},{"start":550.021,"end":571.348,"text":"6月的時候會讓大家先知道是說我們電動車的一些事故發生的一個成因那希望能夠趕在今年年底能夠有最終調查結果是這樣嗎應該是這樣沒有錯那本席想要確認一下今天你有特別提到修訂重大公路運輸範圍事故範圍有朝降低啟動調查門檻跟擴大調查範圍的方向進行"},{"start":574.91,"end":596.77,"text":"你的思考方向是怎樣?原來的重創事故事調查範圍裡面,它公路、水路、航空它是一體的。公路的部分,我們本來門檻是要4個人使用,我們現在把它降低,3位以上使用。然後它的範圍方便我們也可以用這裡面講的所謂的霸王條款,只要"},{"start":597.731,"end":599.652,"text":"所以那跟現行的法規有什麼不同?沒有不同"},{"start":612.81,"end":635.015,"text":"那沒有不同你在跟我們講說你要修改、啟動、降低調查門檻、擴大調查範圍然後又說沒有不同?因為...啊你這樣是裝笑話所以本席特別提出為什麼會特別問這一句就是因為現行法規是除了第一點事故重大死亡第二點發生爆炸以及相關的危害物品以及第三點"},{"start":636.911,"end":656.818,"text":"財產重大影響重複發生或是情況特殊致影響公路運輸安全且經運安會認定有調查之必要就可以啟動調查換言之重複發生情況特殊影響公路運輸安全運安會認定就可以調查這就是現行法規的規範"},{"start":657.978,"end":685.587,"text":"那電動車的這個事故從2016、2017年開始大家比較普及用電動車高速公路上一而再再三發生事故我們之前就調出數據嘛高速公路去年有一百多件快兩百件的這種電動車自駕而造成的狀況當然是不是最終都是因為自駕所發生的不一定但是至少已經有一兩百件每年那就是重複發生那就是影響公路安全那就是運安會認定可以調查就調查了"},{"start":686.747,"end":709.636,"text":"所以根本不需要去修法才能說我來去做所以這一點本席要講的是做與不做其實現行法規就已經可以給你們全力去做這也是我們期待成立運安會的時候應該要做的事情不要再搪塞說我要再修訂好像現在不管你們的事要修訂之後那啟動修法"},{"start":710.74,"end":732.228,"text":"還要多久?你說還要送委員會、交通部、交通部之後送行政院行政院之後再送來立法院,立法院再審查光修法又要再修一年兩年這樣講對嗎?我們現行條文就可以啟動電動車但是我們的修正是要把一些新的運具也納進來一道納進來的那還有什麼?還有什麼比電動車現在自駕更嚴重的新興運具?電動車的部分我們已經 還有什麼?"},{"start":739.326,"end":739.346,"text":"韓國瑜"}]}}}}