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剛剛委員有說過啦那剛剛是講全部的一個包括我們的一般的公路跟高速公路那我看高速公路因為車速都非常快所以我單單把高速公路高速公路它載有輔助駕駛那出車位的比例在112年我們總事故102次在高速公路上面然後呢 它載有"},{"start":389.64,"end":411.496,"text":"副駕駛系統的比例已經高達百分之六十五了但是這個六十五其實還滿可怕的你對比它總共的數量一般的車剛剛已經比過了第一個嘛只有百分之二十是載有輔駕系統的百分之八十沒有所以在這個比例我認為是真的值得非常重視那當然我們也看到這個"},{"start":414.258,"end":442.341,"text":"我們運安會運安會 時間不夠我就講一講我是建議你因為很多事情他們去做一個行政的協助但畢竟有些專業各種招數都進來了你現在剛剛那個孟楷委員有問過明年5月希望現在因為太多的一個自動駕駛甚至輔駕系統有撞到我們的高速公路緩撞車這種情況其實蠻多的所以你們要進入調查我覺得正面的肯定了"},{"start":443.081,"end":469.957,"text":"那不過我是比較擔心在硬體方面感知器到底是不是這個OK或者硬體迴路他到底情況如何我覺得在硬體方面我知道啦應該會有這樣的人才比較多因為這種東西已經其實蠻久的可是軟體方面你們AI的模型演算法你們要怎麼樣去看因為這個其實蠻恐怖的因為我覺得這個可能是車禍的最重要的關鍵"},{"start":471.218,"end":488.945,"text":"你說譬如說他在歐美他們的機車很少他們的很奇怪的東西電車假設也很少在這種下面他們的AI模型他的演算法出來的在台灣我覺得既然運安會你出面你這種專業的考量人才我不知道人才有沒有 點個頭來 運安會所以你要委外一下"},{"start":495.976,"end":500.857,"text":"你現在軟體AI模型跟遠戰法你要對外招募人才是不是 狀況怎麼樣 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