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00:01:30,371\n來分配這個東西講過我一直一再的提剛剛在提案說明也說了這個並不是這個並不是說就是說要跟你們要更多是把你們就是給我們多拿的還給我們這菸酒公賣跟這個菸酒稅法以後的這個不一樣你看本期所提的這個草案內容在這裡\n\n5\n00:01:33,632 --> 00:01:56,183\n這個事實上如果按照本期所提的這個修法事實上也是國民黨跟民眾黨的版本當然還有等一下我們看到財政部也是一直都這樣主張只是20多年來都沒有修的這個情況下事實上跟現在的制度今天的這個制度比比較的話事實上我們也只有多增加12億元啦您看到嗎以112年時增速421計算嘛對吧那現在我們這個齁上一頁\n\n6\n00:02:01,045 --> 00:02:04,527\n本院委員賴士葆等29人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案．第十八條之一條文修正草案．\n\n7\n00:02:18,855 --> 00:02:20,716\n關注一下,沒錯嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:20,716 --> 00:02:39,162\n我想這個因為菸酒專賣制度改制以後對於金馬這邊的一個影響所以目前在財務法已經明定對於這個我們在算基準財政收支差短的時候這個菸酒金門現在他們所收的這個菸酒稅是不會納入收入額度這個部分已經特別考量了\n\n9\n00:02:39,662 --> 00:02:55,997\n至於委員所提的這個建議,我們會一併納入研究卡裡。對,而且我剛剛有提到很多自治事項,包括過自來水啦齁,包括大橋的圍管啦齁,這些其他縣市都是各個縣市政府在出錢的,我們金門縣都自己出啦。那您知道我們包括比如說金門醫院,這個部立的齁,\n\n10\n00:02:56,958 --> 00:03:20,870\n經門大學國立教育部、部立院衛生福利部、還有經門醫院護士留任獎金也是我們在出。經門大學學生讀書的相關費用也是我們在出。所以我們給中央的應該也不會少於這些錢。這個部分請你特別拿我考量,因為只要在經門我們都說不管怎麼樣都是一家人。那您看一下歷年來藍綠執政的時候,\n\n11\n00:03:23,442 --> 00:03:51,554\n你看有關這個調解比例101年你看101年那時候是民國92年先看民國92年是我們財政部的林部長你看他提的這個一樣減增1%分配8%的各該縣是民國你們在財政會第五屆的立法院也是在我們這個委員會所提出的委員會你們的報告裡頭這個是財政部林全部長的報告跟本席的提案文字是一致的這個是林全部長你看民國96年\n\n12\n00:03:54,956 --> 00:04:22,085\n財政部長何志欽他所提出來也在立法院這是第六屆立法院這個怎麼樣你們的修法方向跟我今天所提的文字也是一樣的百分之八十分配給我們那也不是只有101年在下院您看不管是藍綠執政你們行政院所提的四次的修法版本都跟我今天提出的修法版本是一致的包括今天國民黨法案民眾黨法案也是一致的所以說\n\n13\n00:04:22,625 --> 00:04:22,865\n議員賴士葆等\n\n14\n00:04:53,410 --> 00:04:53,673\n沒問題的喔?\n\n15\n00:04:55,236 --> 00:05:22,928\n拜託就是我們剛剛說我們會委員的意見以及歷年其實跟原來的版本對阿不管藍綠的行政院院長喔不管國民黨今年的國民黨民眾黨喔我們都是按照這個原來的提案嘛只是說一直沒有修這個財化法這是比較小的問題啦如果說可以的話要跟我們多支持我們就看一下如果可不可以在稅收分配比例上可以的話我們會一邊拿如果國庫署早上有說本席所提的是要中央支出300多億如果按照那個解釋我也是可以接受多分一點我也是非常願意的齁陳署長齁\n\n16\n00:05:24,528 --> 00:05:24,769\n副主席長\n\n17\n00:05:36,935 --> 00:05:58,300\n陳副主席長,您上回有去金門開會嘛,對吧?就是那時候張景森政委﹖我在院裡面﹖我帶我回來主持會,張景森政委主持的嘛。您那時候有表示針對我們地方所提出來的財力集市分級的部分,那時候我們提出一些,包括自來水廠。自來水廠的話也叫我們出錢,然後現在財政部還要跟我們要,這個叫我們墊啦。\n\n18\n00:06:01,181 --> 00:06:01,481\n陳玉珍\n\n19\n00:06:18,432 --> 00:06:35,063\n副主席長您上次有說了根據媒體報導主計總署陳慧娟副主長表示同意離島具有特殊性要審慎進行研議就是有關這個財力集市分級我們現在是第幾級目前是第三級那我們是要求降到第五級對吧\n\n20\n00:06:36,820 --> 00:06:57,200\n對,對,好,那你上次不是說要進行研議嗎?我們有在研議,因為基本上這個財力分歧是地方制度法69條要均衡發展嘛,所以基本上我們就是對地方政府是按自有財源的比例,就是一個公式來算。我知道,我知道,我都知道,這些我們都知道,但是你上次已經在政委主持的會議說要研議了,研議的進度怎麼樣呢?\n\n21\n00:07:20,976 --> 00:07:21,516\n﹚陳玉珍\n\n22\n00:07:40,710 --> 00:08:08,446\n的確我們就是從剛委員所提的就是說屬於比較民生的部分或者是說重大的交通建設那如果說在其他地方政府是由中央來負擔的那個部分那這個部分我們就是目前就在研議基本是由哪一部分是屬於這個就這個民生動性的這個大橋啊其他縣市都中央在負擔叫我們自己負擔啊那這個部分就跟其他縣市很不一樣\n\n23\n00:08:09,346 --> 00:08:15,204\n所以我們的集市是不是要考慮調整?什麼時候演繹出來?我們可能還需要一點時間齁。多久?沒關係給你時間,多久?\n\n24\n00:08:17,731 --> 00:08:39,289\n你給我壓個時間就可以了。可以給我們半年的時間嗎?你可以看看。為什麼演繹一個東西要半年啊?因為這個問題我跟委員發…半年後你可能又升官了。跟委員發報,因為這個涉及到…因為這個財力集市會連動那其他的地方政府,所以它影響的層面比較廣。對,那為什麼需要半年?現在是520啦齁。\n\n25\n00:08:41,391 --> 00:08:46,952\n本院委員賴士葆等29人擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。」案。\n\n26\n00:09:09,634 --> 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西要半年啊?因為這個問題我跟委員發…半年後你可能又升官了。跟委員發報,因為這個涉及到…因為這個財力集市會連動那其他的地方政府,所以它影響的層面比較廣。對,那為什麼需要半年?現在是520啦齁。\n本院委員賴士葆等29人擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。」案。\n三個月給我們時間,我們提出一個方向,可以嗎?對,提一個方向,要提出一個完整的,三個月很久喔,也要給我一個完整的答案喔。提出一個方向,努力的方向。不是努力的方向,給我一個答案,好不好?好,謝謝委員,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.917 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