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00:01:58,893\n馬上取消一個年度差了將近100億98億6個年度到今年下來幫富人省了600億的稅金那我今天要跟你提的前幾位委員一開始就提到就是說現在我們國債的問題啦\n\n6\n00:02:01,374 --> 00:02:21,617\n我們的國債高達6兆4千億平均我們每一位國民要分擔27.4萬元的債務那這是相當高也相當可怕的一個事情我認為當務之急有幾件事情馬上應該做第一個立刻恢復富人稅\n\n7\n00:02:23,578 --> 00:02:49,570\n財政收支劃分法不止升斗小民急劇的叛亂連這些富人啊我相信部長你這麼多年來光聽其他富人我不舉我就舉一位叫郭台銘郭台銘先生講了這句話說政府趕快來科富人稅趕快來科富人稅講了不下十次\n\n8\n00:02:51,733 --> 00:03:04,031\n結果我們政府文文不動財政部也是反正刪了就刪了你們說當初刪你們說是要流財攬財\n\n9\n00:03:07,450 --> 00:03:29,296\n財能的財啦齁那那個財有沒有留到我不曉得你們倒是真的留了財財產的財留了財給這些富人們這倒是真的啦齁那我覺得如果說連富人們連郭台銘都站出來說趕快徵富人稅結果\n\n10\n00:03:32,165 --> 00:03:59,736\n你們視若無睹、自若枉文。那不但深斗小民繼續百思不解而且我們國庫得不到挹注。最主要的我們深斗小民們還被這些富人們、被郭台銘吃了豆腐吃了七、八年。\n\n11\n00:04:01,104 --> 00:04:14,141\n他每年講啊來啊來啊來客啊來客啊我願意講啊願意講結果我聽了半天我們生土小民就吃豆腐所以我希望立刻恢復這個富人稅然後\n\n12\n00:04:17,809 --> 00:04:44,922\n針對我們升德小民每年報稅的時候免稅額扣除額的提高這個部分欸你們又說這個啊要CPI啊累計跟上次調整有CPI有漲百分之三以上但是部長你很清楚嘛那時候我們找主記長他們來報告的時候都很清楚事實上CPI的調查\n\n13\n00:04:46,315 --> 00:05:15,276\n無價指數的部分齁我用兩個字形容失真不是嗎我們上次討論以後光這這個禮拜啊光最粗淺的一些電媒的調查我們光是在便利商店用的這些便當啦義大利麵啦飯糰啦漲幅平均高達百分之四十\n\n14\n00:05:16,794 --> 00:05:23,011\n這些都是每天生徒小民、上班族、學生們平常要去購買的。\n\n15\n00:05:26,612 --> 00:05:51,479\n這幾項就高達百分之四十其他的飲料大概平均也都漲了一成之多啦所以CPI失增的情況下我認為應該立刻降低這一個限制就是說你如果要調高免稅額扣除額必須CPI年增率高達百分之三這一個百分之三我不敢說你把它整個取消\n\n16\n00:05:54,087 --> 00:06:09,484\n部長,考慮把它降低可以嗎?要不然我們就先降到1.5嘛。先減半看看嘛。可不可以?這是我要求你做的齁。等一下,我先講完你一次回答齁。那麼,你比方說這幾年我們調漲這個\n\n17\n00:06:16,983 --> 00:06:23,712\n免稅額寬減額這個部分這麼多年來你這個強硬規定之下我們10年來只調漲3次啦106年開始免稅額8萬8條到\n\n18\n00:06:29,895 --> 00:06:58,117\n一百一十一年九萬二到一百今年九萬七喔都只調大概三千五千那麼其他標準扣除而也是上漲十年調了三次而已再來我希望你夠落實加薪減稅部長加薪減稅何其重要你知道嗎因為我們統計這根據官方的統計我們現在有超過三分之二以上的勞工\n\n19\n00:06:59,498 --> 00:07:26,273\n領不到平均薪資啦。薪資的平均數三分之二的勞工領不到耶。天哪。所以我認為我們中階的這些收入的民眾嚴重的在這十年來的薪資、實質薪資是下滑的。所以我希望加薪減稅這些能夠落實。也就是說加薪減稅你另外有一條你說\n\n20\n00:07:27,634 --> 00:07:35,564\n這些企業,中小企業啦,你們要加薪減稅可以。你說啊,要失業率連續3年達到3.7%以上,我認為\n\n21\n00:07:40,182 --> 00:07:57,035\n我認為這個應該取消因為失業率連續半年你說要連續半年3.7%以上我認為把這一條限制取消立刻取消的話我們就可以鼓勵所有企業主對員工來加薪那\n\n22\n00:07:57,495 --> 00:08:12,661\n我們政府也能夠既然他做到了我們就大大方方的減他的稅那最後我要跟你提到就是不合時宜這些稅制我們這前幾個月講了好多次啦你像娛樂稅、印花稅、汽車關稅\n\n23\n00:08:14,062 --> 00:08:14,843\n王世堅王世堅王世堅\n\n24\n00:08:35,896 --> 00:09:03,192\n議論稅方面的部分就是說課稅成本太高嘛課稅成本太高近乎擾民啊然後這個印花稅的話是重複課稅那尤其機車的貨物稅我們一年掛牌二十萬輛部機車總共課它五十萬稅等於每一台機車欸一台機車才七八萬元課了兩萬多元的稅這實在太殘忍了吧機車現在\n\n25\n00:09:04,873 --> 00:09:19,551\n已經不只是生斗小民的交通工具他是生斗小民的還謀生工具欸對不對早上在老婆小孩上班上課再來他本人要用這個機車去送貨\n\n26\n00:09:21,966 --> 00:09:35,498\n所以我們不應該對機車族這麼摳。那你們現在摳財政部也去幫他們找了一個理由。你們說啊這個機車污染太重啦齁結果我一查結果欸PM2.5的排放機車這麼總數這麼大的百萬計的機車總共加起來PM2.5佔整個總污染的\n\n27\n00:09:47,819 --> 00:09:50,861\n財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案\n\n28\n00:10:14,861 --> 00:10:21,323\n拜託再給我這一分鐘。對,我最後要趕快跟他下一個結論齁。一方面部長我請你回答,二方面我剛剛提到的這幾個問題我希望你心上的\n\n29\n00:10:40,510 --> 00:10:51,568\n新氣象的一天你能夠除了據時的答覆我同時是不是一個月內能夠對我提的這幾項給我一個具體的答覆你的看法呢?\n\n30\n00:10:53,039 --> 00:11:09,809\n謝謝委員的指教。委員對於一百零七年的有關那個所得稅的稅率從七十百分之四十五降為百分之四十這個部分當時是所得稅制整體的一個考量的一個優化並不是只就這一項那包含在營所稅的部分也從17%提升到20%另外對於標準\n\n31\n00:11:12,911 --> 00:11:29,016\n表準扣除額以及相關的薪資所得特別扣除額還有幼兒特別扣除額等等都有把它拉高。這個部分就是說對於所得低的部分我們也把它能夠扣減的數字可以增加,那可以減少它的繳稅的負擔。所以那一次的所得稅制的優化是整體的考量。\n\n32\n00:11:32,657 --> 00:11:36,038\n從45%降為40%這個部分事實上是確實流財攬財希望能有更多人在台灣來然後投資那也跟委員報告事實上這0.85%的人他繳了我們45%的所得稅所以其實所得高的人他其實交了稅是交了大部分的稅而對於沒有達到一定的我們的課稅門檻的其實他都不用繳所得稅這個部分是跟委員報告\n\n33\n00:11:59,306 --> 00:12:22,800\n那另外跟委員報告就是您剛剛提到的加薪減稅的部分這一次在經濟部修正中小企業發展條例裡面對於您剛剛提到那些不合理的門檻財政部也同意經濟部的意見把這個門檻可以取消掉那同時呢對於加薪的減成的數額提高還有適用的年限拉長這個部分財政部都同意經濟部相關的一個意見那目前也在立法院的一個審議當中那剛剛委員所提到的有關\n\n34\n00:12:25,942 --> 00:12:25,962\n謝謝委員。\n\n35\n00:12:57,486 --> 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那個財有沒有留到我不曉得你們倒是真的留了財財產的財留了財給這些富人們這倒是真的啦齁那我覺得如果說連富人們連郭台銘都站出來說趕快徵富人稅結果\n212165\t239736\t你們視若無睹、自若枉文。那不但深斗小民繼續百思不解而且我們國庫得不到挹注。最主要的我們深斗小民們還被這些富人們、被郭台銘吃了豆腐吃了七、八年。\n241104\t254141\t他每年講啊來啊來啊來客啊來客啊我願意講啊願意講結果我聽了半天我們生土小民就吃豆腐所以我希望立刻恢復這個富人稅然後\n257809\t284922\t針對我們升德小民每年報稅的時候免稅額扣除額的提高這個部分欸你們又說這個啊要CPI啊累計跟上次調整有CPI有漲百分之三以上但是部長你很清楚嘛那時候我們找主記長他們來報告的時候都很清楚事實上CPI的調查\n286315\t315276\t無價指數的部分齁我用兩個字形容失真不是嗎我們上次討論以後光這這個禮拜啊光最粗淺的一些電媒的調查我們光是在便利商店用的這些便當啦義大利麵啦飯糰啦漲幅平均高達百分之四十\n316794\t323011\t這些都是每天生徒小民、上班族、學生們平常要去購買的。\n326612\t351479\t這幾項就高達百分之四十其他的飲料大概平均也都漲了一成之多啦所以CPI失增的情況下我認為應該立刻降低這一個限制就是說你如果要調高免稅額扣除額必須CPI年增率高達百分之三這一個百分之三我不敢說你把它整個取消\n354087\t369484\t部長,考慮把它降低可以嗎?要不然我們就先降到1.5嘛。先減半看看嘛。可不可以?這是我要求你做的齁。等一下,我先講完你一次回答齁。那麼,你比方說這幾年我們調漲這個\n376983\t383712\t免稅額寬減額這個部分這麼多年來你這個強硬規定之下我們10年來只調漲3次啦106年開始免稅額8萬8條到\n389895\t418117\t一百一十一年九萬二到一百今年九萬七喔都只調大概三千五千那麼其他標準扣除而也是上漲十年調了三次而已再來我希望你夠落實加薪減稅部長加薪減稅何其重要你知道嗎因為我們統計這根據官方的統計我們現在有超過三分之二以上的勞工\n419498\t446273\t領不到平均薪資啦。薪資的平均數三分之二的勞工領不到耶。天哪。所以我認為我們中階的這些收入的民眾嚴重的在這十年來的薪資、實質薪資是下滑的。所以我希望加薪減稅這些能夠落實。也就是說加薪減稅你另外有一條你說\n447634\t455564\t這些企業,中小企業啦,你們要加薪減稅可以。你說啊,要失業率連續3年達到3.7%以上,我認為\n460182\t477035\t我認為這個應該取消因為失業率連續半年你說要連續半年3.7%以上我認為把這一條限制取消立刻取消的話我們就可以鼓勵所有企業主對員工來加薪那\n477495\t492661\t我們政府也能夠既然他做到了我們就大大方方的減他的稅那最後我要跟你提到就是不合時宜這些稅制我們這前幾個月講了好多次啦你像娛樂稅、印花稅、汽車關稅\n494062\t494843\t王世堅王世堅王世堅\n515896\t543192\t議論稅方面的部分就是說課稅成本太高嘛課稅成本太高近乎擾民啊然後這個印花稅的話是重複課稅那尤其機車的貨物稅我們一年掛牌二十萬輛部機車總共課它五十萬稅等於每一台機車欸一台機車才七八萬元課了兩萬多元的稅這實在太殘忍了吧機車現在\n544873\t559551\t已經不只是生斗小民的交通工具他是生斗小民的還謀生工具欸 對不對早上在老婆小孩上班上課再來他本人要用這個機車去送貨\n561966\t575498\t所以我們不應該對機車族這麼摳。那你們現在摳財政部也去幫他們找了一個理由。你們說啊這個機車污染太重啦齁結果我一查結果欸PM2.5的排放機車這麼總數這麼大的百萬計的機車總共加起來PM2.5佔整個總污染的\n587819\t590861\t財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案\n614861\t621323\t拜託再給我這一分鐘。對,我最後要趕快跟他下一個結論齁。一方面部長我請你回答,二方面我剛剛提到的這幾個問題我希望你心上的\n640510\t651568\t新氣象的一天你能夠除了據時的答覆我同時是不是一個月內能夠對我提的這幾項給我一個具體的答覆你的看法呢?\n653039\t669809\t謝謝委員的指教。委員對於一百零七年的有關那個所得稅的稅率從七十百分之四十五降為百分之四十這個部分當時是所得稅制整體的一個考量的一個優化並不是只就這一項那包含在營所稅的部分也從17%提升到20%另外對於標準\n672911\t689016\t表準扣除額以及相關的薪資所得特別扣除額還有幼兒特別扣除額等等都有把它拉高。這個部分就是說對於所得低的部分我們也把它能夠扣減的數字可以增加,那可以減少它的繳稅的負擔。所以那一次的所得稅制的優化是整體的考量。\n692657\t696038\t從45%降為40%這個部分事實上是確實流財攬財希望能有更多人在台灣來然後投資那也跟委員報告事實上這0.85%的人他繳了我們45%的所得稅所以其實所得高的人他其實交了稅是交了大部分的稅而對於沒有達到一定的我們的課稅門檻的其實他都不用繳所得稅這個部分是跟委員報告\n719306\t742800\t那另外跟委員報告就是您剛剛提到的加薪減稅的部分這一次在經濟部修正中小企業發展條例裡面對於您剛剛提到那些不合理的門檻財政部也同意經濟部的意見把這個門檻可以取消掉那同時呢對於加薪的減成的數額提高還有適用的年限拉長這個部分財政部都同意經濟部相關的一個意見那目前也在立法院的一個審議當中那剛剛委員所提到的有關\n745942\t745962\t謝謝委員。\n777486\t779018\t好,本日議程詢答到這裡齁\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我請部長,莊部長。委員好。部長恭喜喔,你是極少數能夠留任的重要閣員。那也誠如當年,當時啦,\n但一個半月前吧我對你質詢的時候齁你那時候也是蠻信心滿滿的你還問說欸怎麼知道我不會留任嗯結果你真的是留任了齁那你有做的很好的部分就是我提的你把我們的國產稅金當作你個人的實質價\n你必須找到替代財源。\n那結果我就舉當年民國107年那時候那天也沒怎麼樣可能太陽大了一點風大了一點財政部一個爽快就把最高級巨的富人稅就取消了也沒有找到任何替代財源之下沒有任何可以替代的之下\n馬上取消一個年度差了將近100億98億6個年度到今年下來幫富人省了600億的稅金那我今天要跟你提的前幾位委員一開始就提到就是說現在我們國債的問題啦\n我們的國債高達6兆4千億平均我們每一位國民要分擔27.4萬元的債務那這是相當高也相當可怕的一個事情我認為當務之急有幾件事情馬上應該做第一個立刻恢復富人稅\n財政收支劃分法不止升斗小民急劇的叛亂連這些富人啊我相信部長你這麼多年來光聽其他富人我不舉我就舉一位叫郭台銘郭台銘先生講了這句話說政府趕快來科富人稅趕快來科富人稅講了不下十次\n結果我們政府文文不動財政部也是反正刪了就刪了你們說當初刪你們說是要流財攬財\n財能的財啦齁那 那個財有沒有留到我不曉得你們倒是真的留了財財產的財留了財給這些富人們這倒是真的啦齁那我覺得如果說連富人們連郭台銘都站出來說趕快徵富人稅結果\n你們視若無睹、自若枉文。那不但深斗小民繼續百思不解而且我們國庫得不到挹注。最主要的我們深斗小民們還被這些富人們、被郭台銘吃了豆腐吃了七、八年。\n他每年講啊來啊來啊來客啊來客啊我願意講啊願意講結果我聽了半天我們生土小民就吃豆腐所以我希望立刻恢復這個富人稅然後\n針對我們升德小民每年報稅的時候免稅額扣除額的提高這個部分欸你們又說這個啊要CPI啊累計跟上次調整有CPI有漲百分之三以上但是部長你很清楚嘛那時候我們找主記長他們來報告的時候都很清楚事實上CPI的調查\n無價指數的部分齁我用兩個字形容失真不是嗎我們上次討論以後光這這個禮拜啊光最粗淺的一些電媒的調查我們光是在便利商店用的這些便當啦義大利麵啦飯糰啦漲幅平均高達百分之四十\n這些都是每天生徒小民、上班族、學生們平常要去購買的。\n這幾項就高達百分之四十其他的飲料大概平均也都漲了一成之多啦所以CPI失增的情況下我認為應該立刻降低這一個限制就是說你如果要調高免稅額扣除額必須CPI年增率高達百分之三這一個百分之三我不敢說你把它整個取消\n部長,考慮把它降低可以嗎?要不然我們就先降到1.5嘛。先減半看看嘛。可不可以?這是我要求你做的齁。等一下,我先講完你一次回答齁。那麼,你比方說這幾年我們調漲這個\n免稅額寬減額這個部分這麼多年來你這個強硬規定之下我們10年來只調漲3次啦106年開始免稅額8萬8條到\n一百一十一年九萬二到一百今年九萬七喔都只調大概三千五千那麼其他標準扣除而也是上漲十年調了三次而已再來我希望你夠落實加薪減稅部長加薪減稅何其重要你知道嗎因為我們統計這根據官方的統計我們現在有超過三分之二以上的勞工\n領不到平均薪資啦。薪資的平均數三分之二的勞工領不到耶。天哪。所以我認為我們中階的這些收入的民眾嚴重的在這十年來的薪資、實質薪資是下滑的。所以我希望加薪減稅這些能夠落實。也就是說加薪減稅你另外有一條你說\n這些企業,中小企業啦,你們要加薪減稅可以。你說啊,要失業率連續3年達到3.7%以上,我認為\n我認為這個應該取消因為失業率連續半年你說要連續半年3.7%以上我認為把這一條限制取消立刻取消的話我們就可以鼓勵所有企業主對員工來加薪那\n我們政府也能夠既然他做到了我們就大大方方的減他的稅那最後我要跟你提到就是不合時宜這些稅制我們這前幾個月講了好多次啦你像娛樂稅、印花稅、汽車關稅\n王世堅王世堅王世堅\n議論稅方面的部分就是說課稅成本太高嘛課稅成本太高近乎擾民啊然後這個印花稅的話是重複課稅那尤其機車的貨物稅我們一年掛牌二十萬輛部機車總共課它五十萬稅等於每一台機車欸一台機車才七八萬元課了兩萬多元的稅這實在太殘忍了吧機車現在\n已經不只是生斗小民的交通工具他是生斗小民的還謀生工具欸 對不對早上在老婆小孩上班上課再來他本人要用這個機車去送貨\n所以我們不應該對機車族這麼摳。那你們現在摳財政部也去幫他們找了一個理由。你們說啊這個機車污染太重啦齁結果我一查結果欸PM2.5的排放機車這麼總數這麼大的百萬計的機車總共加起來PM2.5佔整個總污染的\n財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案\n拜託再給我這一分鐘。對,我最後要趕快跟他下一個結論齁。一方面部長我請你回答,二方面我剛剛提到的這幾個問題我希望你心上的\n新氣象的一天你能夠除了據時的答覆我同時是不是一個月內能夠對我提的這幾項給我一個具體的答覆你的看法呢?\n謝謝委員的指教。委員對於一百零七年的有關那個所得稅的稅率從七十百分之四十五降為百分之四十這個部分當時是所得稅制整體的一個考量的一個優化並不是只就這一項那包含在營所稅的部分也從17%提升到20%另外對於標準\n表準扣除額以及相關的薪資所得特別扣除額還有幼兒特別扣除額等等都有把它拉高。這個部分就是說對於所得低的部分我們也把它能夠扣減的數字可以增加,那可以減少它的繳稅的負擔。所以那一次的所得稅制的優化是整體的考量。\n從45%降為40%這個部分事實上是確實流財攬財希望能有更多人在台灣來然後投資那也跟委員報告事實上這0.85%的人他繳了我們45%的所得稅所以其實所得高的人他其實交了稅是交了大部分的稅而對於沒有達到一定的我們的課稅門檻的其實他都不用繳所得稅這個部分是跟委員報告\n那另外跟委員報告就是您剛剛提到的加薪減稅的部分這一次在經濟部修正中小企業發展條例裡面對於您剛剛提到那些不合理的門檻財政部也同意經濟部的意見把這個門檻可以取消掉那同時呢對於加薪的減成的數額提高還有適用的年限拉長這個部分財政部都同意經濟部相關的一個意見那目前也在立法院的一個審議當中那剛剛委員所提到的有關\n謝謝委員。\n好,本日議程詢答到這裡齁\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.249 --> 00:03.751\n謝謝主席,我請部長,莊部長。委員好。部長恭喜喔,你是極少數能夠留任的重要閣員。那也誠如當年,當時啦,\n\n00:22.318 --> 00:48.647\n但一個半月前吧我對你質詢的時候齁你那時候也是蠻信心滿滿的你還問說欸怎麼知道我不會留任嗯結果你真的是留任了齁那你有做的很好的部分就是我提的你把我們的國產稅金當作你個人的實質價\n\n00:51.284 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對不對早上在老婆小孩上班上課再來他本人要用這個機車去送貨"},{"start":561.966,"end":575.498,"text":"所以我們不應該對機車族這麼摳。那你們現在摳財政部也去幫他們找了一個理由。你們說啊這個機車污染太重啦齁結果我一查結果欸PM2.5的排放機車這麼總數這麼大的百萬計的機車總共加起來PM2.5佔整個總污染的"},{"start":587.819,"end":590.861,"text":"財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案"},{"start":614.861,"end":621.323,"text":"拜託再給我這一分鐘。對,我最後要趕快跟他下一個結論齁。一方面部長我請你回答,二方面我剛剛提到的這幾個問題我希望你心上的"},{"start":640.51,"end":651.568,"text":"新氣象的一天你能夠除了據時的答覆我同時是不是一個月內能夠對我提的這幾項給我一個具體的答覆你的看法呢?"},{"start":653.039,"end":669.809,"text":"謝謝委員的指教。委員對於一百零七年的有關那個所得稅的稅率從七十百分之四十五降為百分之四十這個部分當時是所得稅制整體的一個考量的一個優化並不是只就這一項那包含在營所稅的部分也從17%提升到20%另外對於標準"},{"start":672.911,"end":689.016,"text":"表準扣除額以及相關的薪資所得特別扣除額還有幼兒特別扣除額等等都有把它拉高。這個部分就是說對於所得低的部分我們也把它能夠扣減的數字可以增加,那可以減少它的繳稅的負擔。所以那一次的所得稅制的優化是整體的考量。"},{"start":692.657,"end":696.038,"text":"從45%降為40%這個部分事實上是確實流財攬財希望能有更多人在台灣來然後投資那也跟委員報告事實上這0.85%的人他繳了我們45%的所得稅所以其實所得高的人他其實交了稅是交了大部分的稅而對於沒有達到一定的我們的課稅門檻的其實他都不用繳所得稅這個部分是跟委員報告"},{"start":719.306,"end":742.8,"text":"那另外跟委員報告就是您剛剛提到的加薪減稅的部分這一次在經濟部修正中小企業發展條例裡面對於您剛剛提到那些不合理的門檻財政部也同意經濟部的意見把這個門檻可以取消掉那同時呢對於加薪的減成的數額提高還有適用的年限拉長這個部分財政部都同意經濟部相關的一個意見那目前也在立法院的一個審議當中那剛剛委員所提到的有關"},{"start":745.942,"end":745.962,"text":"謝謝委員。"},{"start":777.486,"end":779.018,"text":"好,本日議程詢答到這裡齁"}]}}}}