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00:02:22,036\n好那我想這個部長有看到這所謂的是市場面的問題所以呢我們就也要想想看在未來我們怎麼樣來協助這個他們有這個舞台有這個市場然後找到問題點對症效要來解決那但是呢我想我們知道問題點在哪裡這是最可貴的最重要就是如果今天我們主政不知道問題點在哪裡甚至於不覺得那個問題是問題我想這才是最可怕的地方所以剛剛提到這個市場需求\n\n9\n00:02:42,785 --> 00:02:42,905\n﹚文化部部長\n\n10\n00:03:04,091 --> 00:03:24,742\n但是呢,最後是,不但沒有打進世界盃﹖浪費很多的預算﹖也浪費很多資源﹖那誠如您剛剛說的﹖一直在談說這個預算也好,資金也好﹖但是呢,我覺得怎麼樣這個對症下藥﹖這才是最重要﹖不然其實預算跟資源都會浪費掉﹖所以接著我想請教一下部長﹖您目前最常使用來觀賞節目的平台是什麼﹖\n\n11\n00:03:41,331 --> 00:04:03,360\n根據本月5月15日資社會產業情報研究所公布的調查顯示國人觀看OTT串流影音已經達到49%的偏好度超越了非串流影音的44%而且推估在未來的三年可能就會過半了所以這個OTT的數位串流影音平台未來也是一個市場的趨勢這一點部長您同意嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:05,441 --> 00:04:24,859\n同意同意喔好那您自己曾經使用過或者是看過這個影音平台這個抖音嗎沒有您從來都沒有看過我很排斥好您排斥是您個人排斥嗎就是說您都沒有在任何的平台上去看過任何個抖音的這個資訊都沒有嗎如果有人傳給我我也蠻討厭的\n\n13\n00:04:28,854 --> 00:04:29,014\n你知道嗎?我知道\n\n14\n00:05:01,051 --> 00:05:06,334\n雖然您自己本身說您蠻排斥,但不知道為什麼您要去做這個排斥,能不能說明一下?\n\n15\n00:05:07,486 --> 00:05:32,199\n我覺得抖音蠻明顯是一個認知作戰他讓我們所有接收抖音的人他缺少耐心看更長的片子然後缺少思考就像我曾經當一個學校校長我覺得現在年輕人在看電影的時候他幾乎沒有能力從頭看到尾他必須快轉但我們人類看東西都用很短暫的那個\n\n16\n00:05:33,340 --> 00:05:48,465\n委員在看的時候他幾乎沒有能力組織一個屬於自己的思考好部長您後段講的其實我非常認同但是前段如果您要說所有的抖音都是認知作戰這個是我也無法認同的所以我在想事實上我們也必須要去了解\n\n17\n00:06:09,451 --> 00:06:30,983\n雖然部長您很排斥但是我相信您一定看過了這個台灣用戶已經高達565萬人而且觸及率更達到全台灣網路使用者的26%而且很多的用戶其實是國中以下的少年族群所以依照目前這樣的狀況部長您本人是贊成我們完全禁用抖音這件事嗎\n\n18\n00:06:32,023 --> 00:06:37,425\n其實你問這個問題其實蠻難因為我覺得在台灣這個自由民主社會還有包括我們的法令好像很難完全禁止它但是可以局部的限制它我想其實部長我覺得跟您討論到這邊來其實我蠻能贊同你就是說你有自己的看法跟想法但是你也蠻務實去看整個現狀所以其實很多的事情禁止其實不是解決之道因為你禁完一個可能會再來一個\n\n19\n00:06:58,772 --> 00:07:22,440\n你永遠沒有辦法完全把它禁止掉的嘛尤其像您剛剛所說的現在又是一個民主的社會嘛除了我們自己如果沒有去下載但是呢你今天不管透過可能IG啊或是臉書啊都很有可能它會跳出來您還是會看到甚至像您剛剛所說的朋友會傳給您嘛所以我想這個我們用另外一個角度來思考就像一場比賽當中我們是要去想一想怎麼去提升自己來去擊敗對手\n\n20\n00:08:16,565 --> 00:08:40,329\n你認為要怎麼去因應呢?我覺得這個問題對我來講其實早期的70年代台灣年產200部國片是因為沒有競爭對手我們就靠馬來西亞新加坡就可以收回來一半可是當香港起來當中國大陸電影起來的時候我們就被打敗了然後現在韓國的文化還有日本文化\n\n21\n00:08:41,618 --> 00:09:01,251\n包括動漫這麼吸引台灣的新少年我唯一的想法就是我們也要反過來從我們的動漫從我們的動畫從我們的電影還有文學裡有我們自己的特色包括造型否則那個造型怎麼看都是韓國的或者是日本的或者長得很像的\n\n22\n00:09:02,211 --> 00:09:27,434\n對我這個年紀來講是蠻感傷的因為我曾經也非常努力的在80年代希望我們台灣電影走上國際所以我想我們應該要思考的是因為這個OTT數位匯流的發展那我們這個台灣的影視產業也可以這樣來打入國際市場但是相對就像您剛剛所說的我們要面對的更多的競爭所以我們除了需要針對市場有好的IP之外\n\n23\n00:09:29,135 --> 00:09:29,356\n你問到重點了\n\n24\n00:09:50,773 --> 00:10:05,420\n臺灣對於電影影視的輔導輔導其實比較屬於藝術的由文策院主導的是比較商業的比較產業的目前文策院正在進行的好幾個計畫就是找到臺灣幾個最大的影音平台跟他們合作\n\n25\n00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:27,634\n總統投資鼓勵他們說我們也可以有自己的影音有自己的作品那目前為止我感覺到他們比過去更知道應該自己來投資自己的作品然後壯大自己的這個ott的內容那過去電信業者比較不相信不相信這個可以有內容這個東西\n\n26\n00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:35,746\n部長您其實可以繼續講因為您可能第一次來聽到鈴聲如果這個主席沒有制止你還是可以繼續回答的OK\n\n27\n00:10:36,769 --> 00:11:00,648\n好現在我們文車園在做的事情很簡單就是動用到我們國發基金給我們的那100億去找到民間願意跟我們相對投資的幾種類型其中我知道可能最有效就是OTD平台比如中華電信好了或者是台灣大哥大或者遠傳我們能夠說服他跟我們一起投資一個新的\n\n28\n00:11:01,348 --> 00:11:01,468\n委員會議員委員會\n\n29\n00:11:21,598 --> 00:11:49,709\n好部長我想這個台灣當然影視產業還是有面對很多的這個危機但是我相信危機就是轉機尤其這個部長您上來看起來其實有做了很多的功課那也有很多對未來的一個看法跟想法那看怎麼落實那因為事實上現在是一個多角化商業模式的一個時代不管電視網路ott還或者是實體演出的全平台\n\n30\n00:11:50,249 --> 00:12:08,053\n其實透過多角化的平台能夠行銷到國際龐大的市場那未來其實台灣的影視產業才有可能在不靠政府的補助之下並且脫離內宣文化去走出國際那我們希望其實部長你是從業界來的那過去也有這麼多的經歷那將來能夠正視這個問題來協助台灣影視產業從利盡中來突圍部長最後問您有沒有信心\n\n31\n00:12:15,032 --> 00:12:32,453\n我其實非常有信心你讓我多講一句話我看過非常多台劇最近這段時間看過非常多台劇也看過非常多韓劇日劇我覺得台灣是在一個各種文明相激盪的一個地方其實我們的每一個台劇最近我看到的他的人文\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t1189\t請李部長部長早真的不緊張嗎?\n22333\t44903\t本來很緊張,現在不緊張了。什麼原因?因為我準備好了。準備好了,很好。那我們也期待你,一定要準備好了。其實剛才本席在跟主席說要有請李遠部長的時候,我一度想要說有請小野部長,因為我們對小野這個名字,大概比對李遠這個名字更熟悉一些。\n46384\t65699\t您剛也自己提過您是一個從這個過去文化創作者然後投入文化產業然後也推動台灣這個新浪潮電影運動也擔任過這個電視台的經理董事跟總經理那現在踏入了政壇那您可以說是走過了台灣文化影視產業的興起蓬勃跟衰弱在個五十幾個年頭\n67601\t73828\t從過去這個老三台的電視到現在數位匯流的OTT時代我相信你應該對整個台灣影視娛樂的產業環境相當熟悉對嗎?\n79518\t104567\t完全對。完全對。好,很好。那部長我想面對整個產業發展的數位這個化的轉型還有現在我們都知道這個韓流啦然後這個對岸的錄劇啦電影啊音樂的強勢崛起那在這個時間點要扛起這個整個臺灣文化跟影視產業圖的重大責任不曉得部長您知不知道臺灣現在整個碰到的困境是什麼您認為是什麼\n106568\t115853\t其實台灣的困境第一個在就電影來講或者戲劇來講他的市場太小然後頻道太多然後這個國外的這個\n117534\t117814\t新聞新聞新聞新聞\n136733\t142036\t好那我想這個部長有看到這所謂的是市場面的問題所以呢我們就也要想想看在未來我們怎麼樣來協助這個他們有這個舞台有這個市場然後找到問題點對症效要來解決那但是呢我想我們知道問題點在哪裡這是最可貴的最重要就是如果今天我們主政不知道問題點在哪裡甚至於不覺得那個問題是問題我想這才是最可怕的地方所以剛剛提到這個市場需求\n162785\t162905\t﹚文化部部長\n184091\t204742\t但是呢,最後是,不但沒有打進世界盃﹖浪費很多的預算﹖也浪費很多資源﹖那誠如您剛剛說的﹖一直在談說這個預算也好,資金也好﹖但是呢,我覺得怎麼樣這個對症下藥﹖這才是最重要﹖不然其實預算跟資源都會浪費掉﹖所以接著我想請教一下部長﹖您目前最常使用來觀賞節目的平台是什麼﹖\n205708\t220811\t對﹖\n221331\t243360\t根據本月5月15日資社會產業情報研究所公布的調查顯示國人觀看OTT串流影音已經達到49%的偏好度超越了非串流影音的44%而且推估在未來的三年可能就會過半了所以這個OTT的數位串流影音平台未來也是一個市場的趨勢這一點部長您同意嗎?\n245441\t264859\t同意同意喔好那您自己曾經使用過或者是看過這個影音平台這個抖音嗎沒有您從來都沒有看過我很排斥好您排斥是您個人排斥嗎就是說您都沒有在任何的平台上去看過任何個抖音的這個資訊都沒有嗎如果有人傳給我我也蠻討厭的\n268854\t269014\t你知道嗎?我知道\n301051\t306334\t雖然您自己本身說您蠻排斥,但不知道為什麼您要去做這個排斥,能不能說明一下?\n307486\t332199\t我覺得抖音蠻明顯是一個認知作戰他讓我們所有接收抖音的人他缺少耐心看更長的片子然後缺少思考就像我曾經當一個學校校長我覺得現在年輕人在看電影的時候他幾乎沒有能力從頭看到尾他必須快轉但我們人類看東西都用很短暫的那個\n333340\t348465\t委員在看的時候他幾乎沒有能力組織一個屬於自己的思考好部長您後段講的其實我非常認同但是前段如果您要說所有的抖音都是認知作戰這個是我也無法認同的所以我在想事實上我們也必須要去了解\n348985\t369411\t﹚現況﹚\n369451\t390983\t雖然部長您很排斥但是我相信您一定看過了這個台灣用戶已經高達565萬人而且觸及率更達到全台灣網路使用者的26%而且很多的用戶其實是國中以下的少年族群所以依照目前這樣的狀況部長您本人是贊成我們完全禁用抖音這件事嗎\n392023\t397425\t其實你問這個問題其實蠻難因為我覺得在台灣這個自由民主社會還有包括我們的法令好像很難完全禁止它但是可以局部的限制它我想其實部長我覺得跟您討論到這邊來其實我蠻能贊同你就是說你有自己的看法跟想法但是你也蠻務實去看整個現狀所以其實很多的事情禁止其實不是解決之道因為你禁完一個可能會再來一個\n418772\t442440\t你永遠沒有辦法完全把它禁止掉的嘛尤其像您剛剛所說的現在又是一個民主的社會嘛除了我們自己如果沒有去下載但是呢你今天不管透過可能IG啊或是臉書啊都很有可能它會跳出來您還是會看到甚至像您剛剛所說的朋友會傳給您嘛所以我想這個我們用另外一個角度來思考就像一場比賽當中我們是要去想一想怎麼去提升自己來去擊敗對手\n443660\t466425\t﹗\n466425\t496425\t﹏﹏\n496565\t520329\t你認為要怎麼去因應呢?我覺得這個問題對我來講其實早期的70年代台灣年產200部國片是因為沒有競爭對手我們就靠馬來西亞新加坡就可以收回來一半可是當香港起來當中國大陸電影起來的時候我們就被打敗了然後現在韓國的文化還有日本文化\n521618\t541251\t包括動漫這麼吸引台灣的新少年我唯一的想法就是我們也要反過來從我們的動漫從我們的動畫從我們的電影還有文學裡有我們自己的特色包括造型否則那個造型怎麼看都是韓國的或者是日本的或者長得很像的\n542211\t567434\t對我這個年紀來講是蠻感傷的因為我曾經也非常努力的在80年代希望我們台灣電影走上國際所以我想我們應該要思考的是因為這個OTT數位匯流的發展那我們這個台灣的影視產業也可以這樣來打入國際市場但是相對就像您剛剛所說的我們要面對的更多的競爭所以我們除了需要針對市場有好的IP之外\n569135\t569356\t你問到重點了\n590773\t605420\t臺灣對於電影影視的輔導 輔導其實比較屬於藝術的由文策院主導的是比較商業的 比較產業的目前文策院正在進行的好幾個計畫 就是找到臺灣幾個最大的影音平台 跟他們合作\n606640\t627634\t總統投資鼓勵他們說我們也可以有自己的影音有自己的作品那目前為止我感覺到他們比過去更知道應該自己來投資自己的作品然後壯大自己的這個ott的內容那過去電信業者比較不相信不相信這個可以有內容這個東西\n630090\t635746\t部長您其實可以繼續講因為您可能第一次來聽到鈴聲如果這個主席沒有制止你還是可以繼續回答的OK\n636769\t660648\t好現在我們文車園在做的事情很簡單就是動用到我們國發基金給我們的那100億去找到民間願意跟我們相對投資的幾種類型其中我知道可能最有效就是OTD平台比如中華電信好了或者是台灣大哥大或者遠傳我們能夠說服他跟我們一起投資一個新的\n661348\t661468\t委員會議員委員會\n681598\t709709\t好部長我想這個台灣當然影視產業還是有面對很多的這個危機但是我相信危機就是轉機尤其這個部長您上來看起來其實有做了很多的功課那也有很多對未來的一個看法跟想法那看怎麼落實那因為事實上現在是一個多角化商業模式的一個時代不管電視網路ott還或者是實體演出的全平台\n710249\t728053\t其實透過多角化的平台能夠行銷到國際龐大的市場那未來其實台灣的影視產業才有可能在不靠政府的補助之下並且脫離內宣文化去走出國際那我們希望其實部長你是從業界來的那過去也有這麼多的經歷那將來能夠正視這個問題來協助台灣影視產業從利盡中來突圍部長最後問您有沒有信心\n735032\t752453\t我其實非常有信心你讓我多講一句話我看過非常多台劇最近這段時間看過非常多台劇也看過非常多韓劇日劇我覺得台灣是在一個各種文明相激盪的一個地方其實我們的每一個台劇最近我看到的他的人文\n753387\t780162\t﹗\n","txt":"請李部長部長早真的不緊張嗎?\n本來很緊張,現在不緊張了。什麼原因?因為我準備好了。準備好了,很好。那我們也期待你,一定要準備好了。其實剛才本席在跟主席說要有請李遠部長的時候,我一度想要說有請小野部長,因為我們對小野這個名字,大概比對李遠這個名字更熟悉一些。\n您剛也自己提過您是一個從這個過去文化創作者然後投入文化產業然後也推動台灣這個新浪潮電影運動也擔任過這個電視台的經理董事跟總經理那現在踏入了政壇那您可以說是走過了台灣文化影視產業的興起蓬勃跟衰弱在個五十幾個年頭\n從過去這個老三台的電視到現在數位匯流的OTT時代我相信你應該對整個台灣影視娛樂的產業環境相當熟悉對嗎?\n完全對。完全對。好,很好。那部長我想面對整個產業發展的數位這個化的轉型還有現在我們都知道這個韓流啦然後這個對岸的錄劇啦電影啊音樂的強勢崛起那在這個時間點要扛起這個整個臺灣文化跟影視產業圖的重大責任不曉得部長您知不知道臺灣現在整個碰到的困境是什麼您認為是什麼\n其實台灣的困境第一個在就電影來講或者戲劇來講他的市場太小然後頻道太多然後這個國外的這個\n新聞新聞新聞新聞\n好那我想這個部長有看到這所謂的是市場面的問題所以呢我們就也要想想看在未來我們怎麼樣來協助這個他們有這個舞台有這個市場然後找到問題點對症效要來解決那但是呢我想我們知道問題點在哪裡這是最可貴的最重要就是如果今天我們主政不知道問題點在哪裡甚至於不覺得那個問題是問題我想這才是最可怕的地方所以剛剛提到這個市場需求\n﹚文化部部長\n但是呢,最後是,不但沒有打進世界盃﹖浪費很多的預算﹖也浪費很多資源﹖那誠如您剛剛說的﹖一直在談說這個預算也好,資金也好﹖但是呢,我覺得怎麼樣這個對症下藥﹖這才是最重要﹖不然其實預算跟資源都會浪費掉﹖所以接著我想請教一下部長﹖您目前最常使用來觀賞節目的平台是什麼﹖\n對﹖\n根據本月5月15日資社會產業情報研究所公布的調查顯示國人觀看OTT串流影音已經達到49%的偏好度超越了非串流影音的44%而且推估在未來的三年可能就會過半了所以這個OTT的數位串流影音平台未來也是一個市場的趨勢這一點部長您同意嗎?\n同意同意喔好那您自己曾經使用過或者是看過這個影音平台這個抖音嗎沒有您從來都沒有看過我很排斥好您排斥是您個人排斥嗎就是說您都沒有在任何的平台上去看過任何個抖音的這個資訊都沒有嗎如果有人傳給我我也蠻討厭的\n你知道嗎?我知道\n雖然您自己本身說您蠻排斥,但不知道為什麼您要去做這個排斥,能不能說明一下?\n我覺得抖音蠻明顯是一個認知作戰他讓我們所有接收抖音的人他缺少耐心看更長的片子然後缺少思考就像我曾經當一個學校校長我覺得現在年輕人在看電影的時候他幾乎沒有能力從頭看到尾他必須快轉但我們人類看東西都用很短暫的那個\n委員在看的時候他幾乎沒有能力組織一個屬於自己的思考好部長您後段講的其實我非常認同但是前段如果您要說所有的抖音都是認知作戰這個是我也無法認同的所以我在想事實上我們也必須要去了解\n﹚現況﹚\n雖然部長您很排斥但是我相信您一定看過了這個台灣用戶已經高達565萬人而且觸及率更達到全台灣網路使用者的26%而且很多的用戶其實是國中以下的少年族群所以依照目前這樣的狀況部長您本人是贊成我們完全禁用抖音這件事嗎\n其實你問這個問題其實蠻難因為我覺得在台灣這個自由民主社會還有包括我們的法令好像很難完全禁止它但是可以局部的限制它我想其實部長我覺得跟您討論到這邊來其實我蠻能贊同你就是說你有自己的看法跟想法但是你也蠻務實去看整個現狀所以其實很多的事情禁止其實不是解決之道因為你禁完一個可能會再來一個\n你永遠沒有辦法完全把它禁止掉的嘛尤其像您剛剛所說的現在又是一個民主的社會嘛除了我們自己如果沒有去下載但是呢你今天不管透過可能IG啊或是臉書啊都很有可能它會跳出來您還是會看到甚至像您剛剛所說的朋友會傳給您嘛所以我想這個我們用另外一個角度來思考就像一場比賽當中我們是要去想一想怎麼去提升自己來去擊敗對手\n﹗\n﹏﹏\n你認為要怎麼去因應呢?我覺得這個問題對我來講其實早期的70年代台灣年產200部國片是因為沒有競爭對手我們就靠馬來西亞新加坡就可以收回來一半可是當香港起來當中國大陸電影起來的時候我們就被打敗了然後現在韓國的文化還有日本文化\n包括動漫這麼吸引台灣的新少年我唯一的想法就是我們也要反過來從我們的動漫從我們的動畫從我們的電影還有文學裡有我們自己的特色包括造型否則那個造型怎麼看都是韓國的或者是日本的或者長得很像的\n對我這個年紀來講是蠻感傷的因為我曾經也非常努力的在80年代希望我們台灣電影走上國際所以我想我們應該要思考的是因為這個OTT數位匯流的發展那我們這個台灣的影視產業也可以這樣來打入國際市場但是相對就像您剛剛所說的我們要面對的更多的競爭所以我們除了需要針對市場有好的IP之外\n你問到重點了\n臺灣對於電影影視的輔導 輔導其實比較屬於藝術的由文策院主導的是比較商業的 比較產業的目前文策院正在進行的好幾個計畫 就是找到臺灣幾個最大的影音平台 跟他們合作\n總統投資鼓勵他們說我們也可以有自己的影音有自己的作品那目前為止我感覺到他們比過去更知道應該自己來投資自己的作品然後壯大自己的這個ott的內容那過去電信業者比較不相信不相信這個可以有內容這個東西\n部長您其實可以繼續講因為您可能第一次來聽到鈴聲如果這個主席沒有制止你還是可以繼續回答的OK\n好現在我們文車園在做的事情很簡單就是動用到我們國發基金給我們的那100億去找到民間願意跟我們相對投資的幾種類型其中我知道可能最有效就是OTD平台比如中華電信好了或者是台灣大哥大或者遠傳我們能夠說服他跟我們一起投資一個新的\n委員會議員委員會\n好部長我想這個台灣當然影視產業還是有面對很多的這個危機但是我相信危機就是轉機尤其這個部長您上來看起來其實有做了很多的功課那也有很多對未來的一個看法跟想法那看怎麼落實那因為事實上現在是一個多角化商業模式的一個時代不管電視網路ott還或者是實體演出的全平台\n其實透過多角化的平台能夠行銷到國際龐大的市場那未來其實台灣的影視產業才有可能在不靠政府的補助之下並且脫離內宣文化去走出國際那我們希望其實部長你是從業界來的那過去也有這麼多的經歷那將來能夠正視這個問題來協助台灣影視產業從利盡中來突圍部長最後問您有沒有信心\n我其實非常有信心你讓我多講一句話我看過非常多台劇最近這段時間看過非常多台劇也看過非常多韓劇日劇我覺得台灣是在一個各種文明相激盪的一個地方其實我們的每一個台劇最近我看到的他的人文\n﹗\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.189\n請李部長部長早真的不緊張嗎?\n\n00:22.333 --> 00:44.903\n本來很緊張,現在不緊張了。什麼原因?因為我準備好了。準備好了,很好。那我們也期待你,一定要準備好了。其實剛才本席在跟主席說要有請李遠部長的時候,我一度想要說有請小野部長,因為我們對小野這個名字,大概比對李遠這個名字更熟悉一些。\n\n00:46.384 --> 01:05.699\n您剛也自己提過您是一個從這個過去文化創作者然後投入文化產業然後也推動台灣這個新浪潮電影運動也擔任過這個電視台的經理董事跟總經理那現在踏入了政壇那您可以說是走過了台灣文化影視產業的興起蓬勃跟衰弱在個五十幾個年頭\n\n01:07.601 --> 01:13.828\n從過去這個老三台的電視到現在數位匯流的OTT時代我相信你應該對整個台灣影視娛樂的產業環境相當熟悉對嗎?\n\n01:19.518 --> 01:44.567\n完全對。完全對。好,很好。那部長我想面對整個產業發展的數位這個化的轉型還有現在我們都知道這個韓流啦然後這個對岸的錄劇啦電影啊音樂的強勢崛起那在這個時間點要扛起這個整個臺灣文化跟影視產業圖的重大責任不曉得部長您知不知道臺灣現在整個碰到的困境是什麼您認為是什麼\n\n01:46.568 --> 01:55.853\n其實台灣的困境第一個在就電影來講或者戲劇來講他的市場太小然後頻道太多然後這個國外的這個\n\n01:57.534 --> 01:57.814\n新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n02:16.733 --> 02:22.036\n好那我想這個部長有看到這所謂的是市場面的問題所以呢我們就也要想想看在未來我們怎麼樣來協助這個他們有這個舞台有這個市場然後找到問題點對症效要來解決那但是呢我想我們知道問題點在哪裡這是最可貴的最重要就是如果今天我們主政不知道問題點在哪裡甚至於不覺得那個問題是問題我想這才是最可怕的地方所以剛剛提到這個市場需求\n\n02:42.785 --> 02:42.905\n﹚文化部部長\n\n03:04.091 --> 03:24.742\n但是呢,最後是,不但沒有打進世界盃﹖浪費很多的預算﹖也浪費很多資源﹖那誠如您剛剛說的﹖一直在談說這個預算也好,資金也好﹖但是呢,我覺得怎麼樣這個對症下藥﹖這才是最重要﹖不然其實預算跟資源都會浪費掉﹖所以接著我想請教一下部長﹖您目前最常使用來觀賞節目的平台是什麼﹖\n\n03:41.331 --> 04:03.360\n根據本月5月15日資社會產業情報研究所公布的調查顯示國人觀看OTT串流影音已經達到49%的偏好度超越了非串流影音的44%而且推估在未來的三年可能就會過半了所以這個OTT的數位串流影音平台未來也是一個市場的趨勢這一點部長您同意嗎?\n\n04:05.441 --> 04:24.859\n同意同意喔好那您自己曾經使用過或者是看過這個影音平台這個抖音嗎沒有您從來都沒有看過我很排斥好您排斥是您個人排斥嗎就是說您都沒有在任何的平台上去看過任何個抖音的這個資訊都沒有嗎如果有人傳給我我也蠻討厭的\n\n04:28.854 --> 04:29.014\n你知道嗎?我知道\n\n05:01.051 --> 05:06.334\n雖然您自己本身說您蠻排斥,但不知道為什麼您要去做這個排斥,能不能說明一下?\n\n05:07.486 --> 05:32.199\n我覺得抖音蠻明顯是一個認知作戰他讓我們所有接收抖音的人他缺少耐心看更長的片子然後缺少思考就像我曾經當一個學校校長我覺得現在年輕人在看電影的時候他幾乎沒有能力從頭看到尾他必須快轉但我們人類看東西都用很短暫的那個\n\n05:33.340 --> 05:48.465\n委員在看的時候他幾乎沒有能力組織一個屬於自己的思考好部長您後段講的其實我非常認同但是前段如果您要說所有的抖音都是認知作戰這個是我也無法認同的所以我在想事實上我們也必須要去了解\n\n06:09.451 --> 06:30.983\n雖然部長您很排斥但是我相信您一定看過了這個台灣用戶已經高達565萬人而且觸及率更達到全台灣網路使用者的26%而且很多的用戶其實是國中以下的少年族群所以依照目前這樣的狀況部長您本人是贊成我們完全禁用抖音這件事嗎\n\n06:32.023 --> 06:37.425\n其實你問這個問題其實蠻難因為我覺得在台灣這個自由民主社會還有包括我們的法令好像很難完全禁止它但是可以局部的限制它我想其實部長我覺得跟您討論到這邊來其實我蠻能贊同你就是說你有自己的看法跟想法但是你也蠻務實去看整個現狀所以其實很多的事情禁止其實不是解決之道因為你禁完一個可能會再來一個\n\n06:58.772 --> 07:22.440\n你永遠沒有辦法完全把它禁止掉的嘛尤其像您剛剛所說的現在又是一個民主的社會嘛除了我們自己如果沒有去下載但是呢你今天不管透過可能IG啊或是臉書啊都很有可能它會跳出來您還是會看到甚至像您剛剛所說的朋友會傳給您嘛所以我想這個我們用另外一個角度來思考就像一場比賽當中我們是要去想一想怎麼去提升自己來去擊敗對手\n\n08:16.565 --> 08:40.329\n你認為要怎麼去因應呢?我覺得這個問題對我來講其實早期的70年代台灣年產200部國片是因為沒有競爭對手我們就靠馬來西亞新加坡就可以收回來一半可是當香港起來當中國大陸電影起來的時候我們就被打敗了然後現在韓國的文化還有日本文化\n\n08:41.618 --> 09:01.251\n包括動漫這麼吸引台灣的新少年我唯一的想法就是我們也要反過來從我們的動漫從我們的動畫從我們的電影還有文學裡有我們自己的特色包括造型否則那個造型怎麼看都是韓國的或者是日本的或者長得很像的\n\n09:02.211 --> 09:27.434\n對我這個年紀來講是蠻感傷的因為我曾經也非常努力的在80年代希望我們台灣電影走上國際所以我想我們應該要思考的是因為這個OTT數位匯流的發展那我們這個台灣的影視產業也可以這樣來打入國際市場但是相對就像您剛剛所說的我們要面對的更多的競爭所以我們除了需要針對市場有好的IP之外\n\n09:29.135 --> 09:29.356\n你問到重點了\n\n09:50.773 --> 10:05.420\n臺灣對於電影影視的輔導輔導其實比較屬於藝術的由文策院主導的是比較商業的比較產業的目前文策院正在進行的好幾個計畫就是找到臺灣幾個最大的影音平台跟他們合作\n\n10:06.640 --> 10:27.634\n總統投資鼓勵他們說我們也可以有自己的影音有自己的作品那目前為止我感覺到他們比過去更知道應該自己來投資自己的作品然後壯大自己的這個ott的內容那過去電信業者比較不相信不相信這個可以有內容這個東西\n\n10:30.090 --> 10:35.746\n部長您其實可以繼續講因為您可能第一次來聽到鈴聲如果這個主席沒有制止你還是可以繼續回答的OK\n\n10:36.769 --> 11:00.648\n好現在我們文車園在做的事情很簡單就是動用到我們國發基金給我們的那100億去找到民間願意跟我們相對投資的幾種類型其中我知道可能最有效就是OTD平台比如中華電信好了或者是台灣大哥大或者遠傳我們能夠說服他跟我們一起投資一個新的\n\n11:01.348 --> 11:01.468\n委員會議員委員會\n\n11:21.598 --> 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