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00:00:45,732\n委員早部長早歡迎彭部長來到我們中央行政部門服務這是一個很難得的機會我跟你都來自民間我相信在民間我們都是有理想抱負希望為社會來做貢獻那如今進入到中央我們都是肩負人民的請託然後一定要把事情做好那時時刻刻要戰戰兢兢部長你同意嗎非常同意\n\n3\n00:00:46,909 --> 00:01:11,357\n那部長我今天有三個問題要來跟您請教如果你的幕僚夠仔細的話應該會跟你報告過去這半年來我們委員們質詢的內容是什麼那如果沒有的話我就提三個考古題都是半年來民眾非常關心有關環境部業務的進度再請部長逐一來做回覆\n\n4\n00:01:15,077 --> 00:01:16,323\n呃,部長第一題吼,判廢\n\n5\n00:01:17,977 --> 00:01:45,235\n這個國人比較關心的程度從民生到工業而且更大的問題是在於前幾天不知道有沒有看報紙是目前我們國人罹患肺癌率高過於吸菸所以我們要先針對環境部4月29日預告的碳費的那個收費辦法來進行討論第一個請問部長碳費你的定價最快何時公布\n\n6\n00:01:46,489 --> 00:02:11,576\n目前攤費審議委員會正在進行因為他們要考慮到我們所謂的物價等等的這個因素目前攤費審議委員會已經有一些共識了嗎這個部分目前來說的話正在收斂當中所以未來我們會我又特別請我們的因為主席是我們的師次他會加速來進行那最快會是什麼時候委員是不是可以請師次來一個報告\n\n7\n00:02:15,973 --> 00:02:31,449\n我們跟委員報告我們大概現在在6月底7月初會再召開費率審議會那在這一次的費率審議會我們已經幕僚在開始計算各種不同的費率方案會供委員們討論我說大概最快什麼時候可能沒辦法很明確的給委員一個答覆因為我們還要看\n\n8\n00:02:37,287 --> 00:02:39,991\n部長根據草案第5條有增加2.5萬噸的扣除額在我3月14號質詢的時候我就強烈質疑這2.5萬噸的扣除額\n\n9\n00:02:54,569 --> 00:03:14,926\n只會涵蓋4949的全國的排碳量請問環境部有考量嗎目前這個其實也要考量到這個高碳排的這個洩漏的這個係數那其實這個也是參考我們鄰近的國家例如說新加坡或是日本他們有的一個做法不過這個還是要照這個碳費審議委員會他們裡面來討論這樣的一個內容\n\n10\n00:03:17,769 --> 00:03:18,992\n根據草案第6條,透過碳洩漏風險係數值的0.2依據是什麼?\n\n11\n00:03:26,267 --> 00:03:53,659\n目前這個事實上我們的團隊有參考例如說新加坡、韓國還有日本甚至歐盟的相關的係數那是不是意味著未來台灣碳費從打兩折開始這個不會因為其實報告委員其實這個碳定價它是一個新的經營的模式很多的大的企業我必須跟委員報告我來自民間大的企業早就上路了而且它的碳費比超過300塊有的是好幾千塊\n\n12\n00:03:54,259 --> 00:04:04,679\n這就是我很擔心的,因為已經設置2.5萬噸的扣除而又增加打折的機制的話,我要問這真的是能夠達到我們的減碳效果嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:07,008 --> 00:04:32,080\n目前草案公布後環境部有掌握可以掌控到全國多少的比例的排碳目前這樣的比例大概是500多家然後大概是50%的排碳所以我說碳費只是一部分然後我們未來的我期待的這個費率應該是持續的下一個斜率型的之後的往上越會越來越高五月初環境部的新聞有說明未來我們的\n\n14\n00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:54,255\n移植的門檻會從2.5萬噸,那個陸續降到1萬噸,請問有期程規劃嗎?有規劃期程嗎?目前是還沒有,就是有朝這個方向規劃,但是時間點還沒有出來還是一樣期待盡快,不是有2.5萬噸的扣除而真的,就會讓我們覺得事實上是在玩假球\n\n15\n00:05:22,423 --> 00:05:40,837\n大家都在追著這個房價已經造成國內很大負擔了所以部長是不是可以成立一個聯合稽查小組去了解是否有不肖的業者利用我們的碳費來惡意哄抬價格來造成我們的民間的一些困擾\n\n16\n00:05:42,143 --> 00:06:06,606\n報告委員其實我自己也去看過房子真的有的確有這個情形喊到大概漲5然後10%左右那基本上呢現在是還沒有開始徵收這些東西這個也不可能馬上就會存在而且呢我們有算過最多最多如果收到300塊的話加上折扣其實是不到1%是可不可以成立一個聯合稽查小組去做這些事情否則的話民眾沒有從更多的訊息去知道的話\n\n17\n00:06:07,046 --> 00:06:30,706\n很容易就會被不肖的業者去再哄抬價錢然後造成本來房價已經夠高了結果造成房價一直往上堆疊好謝謝委員我這個部分我會多進行公開的宣導宣張民眾知道那至於要不要集合小組我再請我們的部內的同仁再研議一下再跟委員做報告所以是一週內給我答覆部長第二題來了\n\n18\n00:06:31,867 --> 00:06:32,507\n目前我們的四大場域市場小吃攤早餐店餐廳陸續\n\n19\n00:06:54,453 --> 00:07:21,693\n進塑膠袋的時程是什麼是否會不會先設置示範區目前我的觀察就是說其實現在國人用仰賴每天生活需要塑膠袋的比例真的太高了那當然要生活習慣的改變但是傳統市場或是小市攤其實這樣的要改變非常的困難所以我會嘗試說我們希望找一個很好的示範點像寧夏夜市本身就很環保我們就找他來但是我們要慢慢慢慢的來進行\n\n20\n00:07:22,233 --> 00:07:49,002\n其實上次我有提過就是說不是只有棍子事實上可能胡蘿蔔也要準備好所以是不是有沒有對於積極配合的商家我們有沒有相關減稅補貼政策好這個部分實際上我可不可以請我們的署長來跟委員報告目前這邊我們是想要用一個評比的方式那把好的這個案例把它拿出來讓大家來這個做一個參考\n\n21\n00:07:50,973 --> 00:08:04,710\n如果只是口頭上獎勵的話我覺得是不太夠的其他的配套我覺得請環境部還是要去想因為畢竟它事實上是最難的第三題也就是最後的一題也就是我過去一直關心的問題臺灣的熱色這幾年都說要減量\n\n22\n00:08:08,054 --> 00:08:32,203\n結果越減越多所以請問部長目前雙北的隨帶徵收的政策也證明了它事實上是的確比較有效的垃圾減量的方法可不同縣市推動有遭遇到不同的一些類型的困難請問環境部針對目前的垃圾減量推動隨帶徵收有沒有廣求各界的看法跟做法\n\n23\n00:08:32,663 --> 00:08:54,466\n有的這個部分我們其實補助了很多的縣市他們來嘗試進行這樣隨帶徵收那我們做這個環境部有進行一些補助但是有些呢他的習慣的改變不容易所以不一樣的結果但是我們未來呢會加大來鼓勵他們能夠來進行這樣的方式因為隨帶徵收的減量的效果的確是比一般的水水費徵收來得好很多\n\n24\n00:08:55,006 --> 00:08:55,927\n請問部長對於全國那個垃圾無處可去中央做了什麼?\n\n25\n00:09:14,842 --> 00:09:34,319\n目前我們的現在正在焚化爐都在進行整改當中預計未來兩三年內就會逐步的完成然後現在有些的確是放在這個掩埋場裡面做處理但是未來等到這個整改完成之後這個容量可以把我們現在這個稍微這個佔氣的這個地方可以進行一個消除所以目前來規劃來說的話是沒有問題的會逐步的減少\n\n26\n00:09:38,936 --> 00:09:38,956\n委員．\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11074\t12458\t謝謝主席 有請部長\n17452\t45732\t委員早部長早歡迎彭部長來到我們中央行政部門服務這是一個很難得的機會我跟你都來自民間我相信在民間我們都是有理想抱負希望為社會來做貢獻那如今進入到中央我們都是肩負人民的請託然後一定要把事情做好那時時刻刻要戰戰兢兢部長你同意嗎非常同意\n46909\t71357\t那部長我今天有三個問題要來跟您請教如果你的幕僚夠仔細的話應該會跟你報告過去這半年來我們委員們質詢的內容是什麼那如果沒有的話我就提三個考古題都是半年來民眾非常關心有關環境部業務的進度再請部長逐一來做回覆\n75077\t76323\t呃,部長第一題吼,判廢\n77977\t105235\t這個國人比較關心的程度從民生到工業而且更大的問題是在於前幾天不知道有沒有看報紙是目前我們國人罹患肺癌率高過於吸菸所以我們要先針對環境部4月29日預告的碳費的那個收費辦法來進行討論第一個請問部長碳費你的定價最快何時公布\n106489\t131576\t目前攤費審議委員會正在進行因為他們要考慮到我們所謂的物價等等的這個因素目前攤費審議委員會已經有一些共識了嗎這個部分目前來說的話正在收斂當中所以未來我們會我又特別請我們的因為主席是我們的師次他會加速來進行那最快會是什麼時候委員是不是可以請師次來一個報告\n135973\t151449\t我們跟委員報告我們大概現在在6月底7月初會再召開費率審議會那在這一次的費率審議會我們已經幕僚在開始計算各種不同的費率方案會供委員們討論我說大概最快什麼時候可能沒辦法很明確的給委員一個答覆因為我們還要看\n157287\t159991\t部長根據草案第5條有增加2.5萬噸的扣除額在我3月14號質詢的時候我就強烈質疑這2.5萬噸的扣除額\n174569\t194926\t只會涵蓋4949的全國的排碳量請問環境部有考量嗎目前這個其實也要考量到這個高碳排的這個洩漏的這個係數那其實這個也是參考我們鄰近的國家例如說新加坡或是日本他們有的一個做法不過這個還是要照這個碳費審議委員會他們裡面來討論這樣的一個內容\n197769\t198992\t根據草案第6條,透過碳洩漏風險係數值的0.2依據是什麼?\n206267\t233659\t目前這個事實上我們的團隊有參考例如說新加坡、韓國還有日本甚至歐盟的相關的係數那是不是意味著未來台灣碳費從打兩折開始這個不會因為其實報告委員其實這個碳定價它是一個新的經營的模式很多的大的企業我必須跟委員報告我來自民間大的企業早就上路了而且它的碳費比超過300塊有的是好幾千塊\n234259\t244679\t這就是我很擔心的,因為已經設置2.5萬噸的扣除而又增加打折的機制的話,我要問這真的是能夠達到我們的減碳效果嗎?\n247008\t272080\t目前草案公布後環境部有掌握可以掌控到全國多少的比例的排碳目前這樣的比例大概是500多家然後大概是50%的排碳所以我說碳費只是一部分然後我們未來的我期待的這個費率應該是持續的下一個斜率型的之後的往上越會越來越高五月初環境部的新聞有說明未來我們的\n273240\t294255\t移植的門檻會從2.5萬噸,那個陸續降到1萬噸,請問有期程規劃嗎?有規劃期程嗎?目前是還沒有,就是有朝這個方向規劃,但是時間點還沒有出來還是一樣期待盡快,不是有2.5萬噸的扣除而真的,就會讓我們覺得事實上是在玩假球\n295776\t321886\t﹗\n322423\t340837\t大家都在追著這個房價已經造成國內很大負擔了所以部長是不是可以成立一個聯合稽查小組去了解是否有不肖的業者利用我們的碳費來惡意哄抬價格來造成我們的民間的一些困擾\n342143\t366606\t報告委員其實我自己也去看過房子真的有的確有這個情形喊到大概漲5然後10%左右那基本上呢現在是還沒有開始徵收這些東西這個也不可能馬上就會存在而且呢我們有算過最多最多如果收到300塊的話加上折扣其實是不到1%是可不可以成立一個聯合稽查小組去做這些事情否則的話民眾沒有從更多的訊息去知道的話\n367046\t390706\t很容易就會被不肖的業者去再哄抬價錢然後造成本來房價已經夠高了結果造成房價一直往上堆疊好謝謝委員我這個部分我會多進行公開的宣導宣張民眾知道那至於要不要集合小組我再請我們的部內的同仁再研議一下再跟委員做報告所以是一週內給我答覆部長第二題來了\n391867\t392507\t目前我們的四大場域市場小吃攤早餐店餐廳陸續\n414453\t441693\t進塑膠袋的時程是什麼是否會不會先設置示範區目前我的觀察就是說其實現在國人用仰賴每天生活需要塑膠袋的比例真的太高了那當然要生活習慣的改變但是傳統市場或是小市攤其實這樣的要改變非常的困難所以我會嘗試說我們希望找一個很好的示範點像寧夏夜市本身就很環保我們就找他來但是我們要慢慢慢慢的來進行\n442233\t469002\t其實上次我有提過就是說不是只有棍子事實上可能胡蘿蔔也要準備好所以是不是有沒有對於積極配合的商家我們有沒有相關減稅補貼政策好這個部分實際上我可不可以請我們的署長來跟委員報告目前這邊我們是想要用一個評比的方式那把好的這個案例把它拿出來讓大家來這個做一個參考\n470973\t484710\t如果只是口頭上獎勵的話我覺得是不太夠的其他的配套我覺得請環境部還是要去想因為畢竟它事實上是最難的第三題也就是最後的一題也就是我過去一直關心的問題臺灣的熱色這幾年都說要減量\n488054\t512203\t結果越減越多所以請問部長目前雙北的隨帶徵收的政策也證明了它事實上是的確比較有效的垃圾減量的方法可不同縣市推動有遭遇到不同的一些類型的困難請問環境部針對目前的垃圾減量推動隨帶徵收有沒有廣求各界的看法跟做法\n512663\t534466\t有的這個部分我們其實補助了很多的縣市他們來嘗試進行這樣隨帶徵收那我們做這個環境部有進行一些補助但是有些呢他的習慣的改變不容易所以不一樣的結果但是我們未來呢會加大來鼓勵他們能夠來進行這樣的方式因為隨帶徵收的減量的效果的確是比一般的水水費徵收來得好很多\n535006\t535927\t請問部長對於全國那個垃圾無處可去中央做了什麼?\n554842\t574319\t目前我們的現在正在焚化爐都在進行整改當中預計未來兩三年內就會逐步的完成然後現在有些的確是放在這個掩埋場裡面做處理但是未來等到這個整改完成之後這個容量可以把我們現在這個稍微這個佔氣的這個地方可以進行一個消除所以目前來規劃來說的話是沒有問題的會逐步的減少\n578936\t578956\t委員．\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請部長\n委員早部長早歡迎彭部長來到我們中央行政部門服務這是一個很難得的機會我跟你都來自民間我相信在民間我們都是有理想抱負希望為社會來做貢獻那如今進入到中央我們都是肩負人民的請託然後一定要把事情做好那時時刻刻要戰戰兢兢部長你同意嗎非常同意\n那部長我今天有三個問題要來跟您請教如果你的幕僚夠仔細的話應該會跟你報告過去這半年來我們委員們質詢的內容是什麼那如果沒有的話我就提三個考古題都是半年來民眾非常關心有關環境部業務的進度再請部長逐一來做回覆\n呃,部長第一題吼,判廢\n這個國人比較關心的程度從民生到工業而且更大的問題是在於前幾天不知道有沒有看報紙是目前我們國人罹患肺癌率高過於吸菸所以我們要先針對環境部4月29日預告的碳費的那個收費辦法來進行討論第一個請問部長碳費你的定價最快何時公布\n目前攤費審議委員會正在進行因為他們要考慮到我們所謂的物價等等的這個因素目前攤費審議委員會已經有一些共識了嗎這個部分目前來說的話正在收斂當中所以未來我們會我又特別請我們的因為主席是我們的師次他會加速來進行那最快會是什麼時候委員是不是可以請師次來一個報告\n我們跟委員報告我們大概現在在6月底7月初會再召開費率審議會那在這一次的費率審議會我們已經幕僚在開始計算各種不同的費率方案會供委員們討論我說大概最快什麼時候可能沒辦法很明確的給委員一個答覆因為我們還要看\n部長根據草案第5條有增加2.5萬噸的扣除額在我3月14號質詢的時候我就強烈質疑這2.5萬噸的扣除額\n只會涵蓋4949的全國的排碳量請問環境部有考量嗎目前這個其實也要考量到這個高碳排的這個洩漏的這個係數那其實這個也是參考我們鄰近的國家例如說新加坡或是日本他們有的一個做法不過這個還是要照這個碳費審議委員會他們裡面來討論這樣的一個內容\n根據草案第6條,透過碳洩漏風險係數值的0.2依據是什麼?\n目前這個事實上我們的團隊有參考例如說新加坡、韓國還有日本甚至歐盟的相關的係數那是不是意味著未來台灣碳費從打兩折開始這個不會因為其實報告委員其實這個碳定價它是一個新的經營的模式很多的大的企業我必須跟委員報告我來自民間大的企業早就上路了而且它的碳費比超過300塊有的是好幾千塊\n這就是我很擔心的,因為已經設置2.5萬噸的扣除而又增加打折的機制的話,我要問這真的是能夠達到我們的減碳效果嗎?\n目前草案公布後環境部有掌握可以掌控到全國多少的比例的排碳目前這樣的比例大概是500多家然後大概是50%的排碳所以我說碳費只是一部分然後我們未來的我期待的這個費率應該是持續的下一個斜率型的之後的往上越會越來越高五月初環境部的新聞有說明未來我們的\n移植的門檻會從2.5萬噸,那個陸續降到1萬噸,請問有期程規劃嗎?有規劃期程嗎?目前是還沒有,就是有朝這個方向規劃,但是時間點還沒有出來還是一樣期待盡快,不是有2.5萬噸的扣除而真的,就會讓我們覺得事實上是在玩假球\n﹗\n大家都在追著這個房價已經造成國內很大負擔了所以部長是不是可以成立一個聯合稽查小組去了解是否有不肖的業者利用我們的碳費來惡意哄抬價格來造成我們的民間的一些困擾\n報告委員其實我自己也去看過房子真的有的確有這個情形喊到大概漲5然後10%左右那基本上呢現在是還沒有開始徵收這些東西這個也不可能馬上就會存在而且呢我們有算過最多最多如果收到300塊的話加上折扣其實是不到1%是可不可以成立一個聯合稽查小組去做這些事情否則的話民眾沒有從更多的訊息去知道的話\n很容易就會被不肖的業者去再哄抬價錢然後造成本來房價已經夠高了結果造成房價一直往上堆疊好謝謝委員我這個部分我會多進行公開的宣導宣張民眾知道那至於要不要集合小組我再請我們的部內的同仁再研議一下再跟委員做報告所以是一週內給我答覆部長第二題來了\n目前我們的四大場域市場小吃攤早餐店餐廳陸續\n進塑膠袋的時程是什麼是否會不會先設置示範區目前我的觀察就是說其實現在國人用仰賴每天生活需要塑膠袋的比例真的太高了那當然要生活習慣的改變但是傳統市場或是小市攤其實這樣的要改變非常的困難所以我會嘗試說我們希望找一個很好的示範點像寧夏夜市本身就很環保我們就找他來但是我們要慢慢慢慢的來進行\n其實上次我有提過就是說不是只有棍子事實上可能胡蘿蔔也要準備好所以是不是有沒有對於積極配合的商家我們有沒有相關減稅補貼政策好這個部分實際上我可不可以請我們的署長來跟委員報告目前這邊我們是想要用一個評比的方式那把好的這個案例把它拿出來讓大家來這個做一個參考\n如果只是口頭上獎勵的話我覺得是不太夠的其他的配套我覺得請環境部還是要去想因為畢竟它事實上是最難的第三題也就是最後的一題也就是我過去一直關心的問題臺灣的熱色這幾年都說要減量\n結果越減越多所以請問部長目前雙北的隨帶徵收的政策也證明了它事實上是的確比較有效的垃圾減量的方法可不同縣市推動有遭遇到不同的一些類型的困難請問環境部針對目前的垃圾減量推動隨帶徵收有沒有廣求各界的看法跟做法\n有的這個部分我們其實補助了很多的縣市他們來嘗試進行這樣隨帶徵收那我們做這個環境部有進行一些補助但是有些呢他的習慣的改變不容易所以不一樣的結果但是我們未來呢會加大來鼓勵他們能夠來進行這樣的方式因為隨帶徵收的減量的效果的確是比一般的水水費徵收來得好很多\n請問部長對於全國那個垃圾無處可去中央做了什麼?\n目前我們的現在正在焚化爐都在進行整改當中預計未來兩三年內就會逐步的完成然後現在有些的確是放在這個掩埋場裡面做處理但是未來等到這個整改完成之後這個容量可以把我們現在這個稍微這個佔氣的這個地方可以進行一個消除所以目前來規劃來說的話是沒有問題的會逐步的減少\n委員．\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.074 --> 00:12.458\n謝謝主席有請部長\n\n00:17.452 --> 00:45.732\n委員早部長早歡迎彭部長來到我們中央行政部門服務這是一個很難得的機會我跟你都來自民間我相信在民間我們都是有理想抱負希望為社會來做貢獻那如今進入到中央我們都是肩負人民的請託然後一定要把事情做好那時時刻刻要戰戰兢兢部長你同意嗎非常同意\n\n00:46.909 --> 01:11.357\n那部長我今天有三個問題要來跟您請教如果你的幕僚夠仔細的話應該會跟你報告過去這半年來我們委員們質詢的內容是什麼那如果沒有的話我就提三個考古題都是半年來民眾非常關心有關環境部業務的進度再請部長逐一來做回覆\n\n01:15.077 --> 01:16.323\n呃,部長第一題吼,判廢\n\n01:17.977 --> 01:45.235\n這個國人比較關心的程度從民生到工業而且更大的問題是在於前幾天不知道有沒有看報紙是目前我們國人罹患肺癌率高過於吸菸所以我們要先針對環境部4月29日預告的碳費的那個收費辦法來進行討論第一個請問部長碳費你的定價最快何時公布\n\n01:46.489 --> 02:11.576\n目前攤費審議委員會正在進行因為他們要考慮到我們所謂的物價等等的這個因素目前攤費審議委員會已經有一些共識了嗎這個部分目前來說的話正在收斂當中所以未來我們會我又特別請我們的因為主席是我們的師次他會加速來進行那最快會是什麼時候委員是不是可以請師次來一個報告\n\n02:15.973 --> 02:31.449\n我們跟委員報告我們大概現在在6月底7月初會再召開費率審議會那在這一次的費率審議會我們已經幕僚在開始計算各種不同的費率方案會供委員們討論我說大概最快什麼時候可能沒辦法很明確的給委員一個答覆因為我們還要看\n\n02:37.287 --> 02:39.991\n部長根據草案第5條有增加2.5萬噸的扣除額在我3月14號質詢的時候我就強烈質疑這2.5萬噸的扣除額\n\n02:54.569 --> 03:14.926\n只會涵蓋4949的全國的排碳量請問環境部有考量嗎目前這個其實也要考量到這個高碳排的這個洩漏的這個係數那其實這個也是參考我們鄰近的國家例如說新加坡或是日本他們有的一個做法不過這個還是要照這個碳費審議委員會他們裡面來討論這樣的一個內容\n\n03:17.769 --> 03:18.992\n根據草案第6條,透過碳洩漏風險係數值的0.2依據是什麼?\n\n03:26.267 --> 03:53.659\n目前這個事實上我們的團隊有參考例如說新加坡、韓國還有日本甚至歐盟的相關的係數那是不是意味著未來台灣碳費從打兩折開始這個不會因為其實報告委員其實這個碳定價它是一個新的經營的模式很多的大的企業我必須跟委員報告我來自民間大的企業早就上路了而且它的碳費比超過300塊有的是好幾千塊\n\n03:54.259 --> 04:04.679\n這就是我很擔心的,因為已經設置2.5萬噸的扣除而又增加打折的機制的話,我要問這真的是能夠達到我們的減碳效果嗎?\n\n04:07.008 --> 04:32.080\n目前草案公布後環境部有掌握可以掌控到全國多少的比例的排碳目前這樣的比例大概是500多家然後大概是50%的排碳所以我說碳費只是一部分然後我們未來的我期待的這個費率應該是持續的下一個斜率型的之後的往上越會越來越高五月初環境部的新聞有說明未來我們的\n\n04:33.240 --> 04:54.255\n移植的門檻會從2.5萬噸,那個陸續降到1萬噸,請問有期程規劃嗎?有規劃期程嗎?目前是還沒有,就是有朝這個方向規劃,但是時間點還沒有出來還是一樣期待盡快,不是有2.5萬噸的扣除而真的,就會讓我們覺得事實上是在玩假球\n\n05:22.423 --> 05:40.837\n大家都在追著這個房價已經造成國內很大負擔了所以部長是不是可以成立一個聯合稽查小組去了解是否有不肖的業者利用我們的碳費來惡意哄抬價格來造成我們的民間的一些困擾\n\n05:42.143 --> 06:06.606\n報告委員其實我自己也去看過房子真的有的確有這個情形喊到大概漲5然後10%左右那基本上呢現在是還沒有開始徵收這些東西這個也不可能馬上就會存在而且呢我們有算過最多最多如果收到300塊的話加上折扣其實是不到1%是可不可以成立一個聯合稽查小組去做這些事情否則的話民眾沒有從更多的訊息去知道的話\n\n06:07.046 --> 06:30.706\n很容易就會被不肖的業者去再哄抬價錢然後造成本來房價已經夠高了結果造成房價一直往上堆疊好謝謝委員我這個部分我會多進行公開的宣導宣張民眾知道那至於要不要集合小組我再請我們的部內的同仁再研議一下再跟委員做報告所以是一週內給我答覆部長第二題來了\n\n06:31.867 --> 06:32.507\n目前我們的四大場域市場小吃攤早餐店餐廳陸續\n\n06:54.453 --> 07:21.693\n進塑膠袋的時程是什麼是否會不會先設置示範區目前我的觀察就是說其實現在國人用仰賴每天生活需要塑膠袋的比例真的太高了那當然要生活習慣的改變但是傳統市場或是小市攤其實這樣的要改變非常的困難所以我會嘗試說我們希望找一個很好的示範點像寧夏夜市本身就很環保我們就找他來但是我們要慢慢慢慢的來進行\n\n07:22.233 --> 07:49.002\n其實上次我有提過就是說不是只有棍子事實上可能胡蘿蔔也要準備好所以是不是有沒有對於積極配合的商家我們有沒有相關減稅補貼政策好這個部分實際上我可不可以請我們的署長來跟委員報告目前這邊我們是想要用一個評比的方式那把好的這個案例把它拿出來讓大家來這個做一個參考\n\n07:50.973 --> 08:04.710\n如果只是口頭上獎勵的話我覺得是不太夠的其他的配套我覺得請環境部還是要去想因為畢竟它事實上是最難的第三題也就是最後的一題也就是我過去一直關心的問題臺灣的熱色這幾年都說要減量\n\n08:08.054 --> 08:32.203\n結果越減越多所以請問部長目前雙北的隨帶徵收的政策也證明了它事實上是的確比較有效的垃圾減量的方法可不同縣市推動有遭遇到不同的一些類型的困難請問環境部針對目前的垃圾減量推動隨帶徵收有沒有廣求各界的看法跟做法\n\n08:32.663 --> 08:54.466\n有的這個部分我們其實補助了很多的縣市他們來嘗試進行這樣隨帶徵收那我們做這個環境部有進行一些補助但是有些呢他的習慣的改變不容易所以不一樣的結果但是我們未來呢會加大來鼓勵他們能夠來進行這樣的方式因為隨帶徵收的減量的效果的確是比一般的水水費徵收來得好很多\n\n08:55.006 --> 08:55.927\n請問部長對於全國那個垃圾無處可去中央做了什麼?\n\n09:14.842 --> 09:34.319\n目前我們的現在正在焚化爐都在進行整改當中預計未來兩三年內就會逐步的完成然後現在有些的確是放在這個掩埋場裡面做處理但是未來等到這個整改完成之後這個容量可以把我們現在這個稍微這個佔氣的這個地方可以進行一個消除所以目前來規劃來說的話是沒有問題的會逐步的減少\n\n09:38.936 --> 09:38.956\n委員．\n\n","segments":[{"start":11.074,"end":12.458,"text":"謝謝主席 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