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00:01:50,110\n我們會支持你\n\n6\n00:02:18,115 --> 00:02:41,716\n我跟前任的部長常常聊到啦他認為他很無力也很無助這跟你們的預算應該也有相關吧希望委員多支持本席的責任之一也是協助您爭取您最大的資源好嗎好謝謝國發會呢在我們電動機車的部分訂出了一個目標他希望在\n\n7\n00:02:44,585 --> 00:02:50,915\n2030年、2035年、2040年部長您知道要達到多少比例的新售比嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:51,878 --> 00:03:17,290\n目前這個其實我個人我不能說我個人就是說其實還是需要蓋更積極一點其實在很多先進國家燃油汽車可能2030年最快的2030年都要必須解除但是我們臺灣畢竟環境特殊所以我個人是支持能夠提早進行轉型這是最重要的所以電動機車的部分其實我認為還有一些調整的空間您知道設定的目標是幾%嗎預計到2040年可以到零\n\n9\n00:03:21,892 --> 00:03:24,093\n現在我可能數字我要再查一下\n\n10\n00:03:37,999 --> 00:03:57,929\n現在只有12所以我們距離目標還有一大段的距離環境部對於我們的年輕人心中是非常有感的因為大部分是騎機車的另外他們出門也會需要帶環保杯自備的餐具等等等等還有現在很多的時尚\n\n11\n00:03:58,609 --> 00:03:58,629\n我認為﹖\n\n12\n00:04:14,091 --> 00:04:14,591\n下一張看一下齁\n\n13\n00:04:35,498 --> 00:04:57,778\n之前我已經問過了環境部有制定過空法裏面的淘汰二行程機車及新購電動二輪車的補助方法發放新購的獎勵金吊詭的是我們運具轉型尚未達標這個補助就逐年遞減甚至在2020年全面取消\n\n14\n00:04:59,264 --> 00:05:27,945\n不禁讓我們質疑說你是如何看待自身在推動電動運具轉型的角色這個是因為你剛才講的啊你說你覺得補助非常重要但你看我們不但是逐年遞減而且補助是越來越少報告委員其實因為空屋費過去這幾年為了要好好的改善空屋所以在柴油車的部分花了很多錢所以我記得是說這個有幾年的這個空屋費是明顯不足的所以需要未來委員大力的支持\n\n15\n00:05:28,906 --> 00:05:55,843\n還有另外啊本席也要提醒你在2023年我們創了新低使用這個大眾運輸系統所以您剛剛有說到電動運具的轉型可是為什麼你這個大眾運輸系統密度如果沒有做夠的話其實大家是不會去使用它的因此機車在現代人的生活中還是非常的重要所以來補助機車這個部分是沒有辦法缺少的好謝謝下一張\n\n16\n00:05:59,602 --> 00:06:16,229\n好,如何補貼可以讓民眾有感我們移動的污染源、空污、氣候變遷、能源議題息息相關但是上一任的部長有提到說這個經濟部呢他們有提出獎勵計畫可是你們跟經濟部是不是連結不夠深\n\n17\n00:06:18,941 --> 00:06:30,235\n報告部委員這個其實我未來會加強這個會加強這個我知道這個你有發現問題了大概知道我會努力來加強好好好那我們看一下下一張\n\n18\n00:06:32,423 --> 00:06:57,606\n所以之前部長告訴我的是前一任部長他說這個是一個大災問如果他沒有跟經濟部可以配合得很好的話各項政策應該要朝哪個方向來進行他沒有辦法讓民眾還有業者可以清楚的明瞭因此我們現在也很積極的想要協助大家因此我還是希望你可以重視年輕人騎機車的比例非常的高下一張\n\n19\n00:06:59,942 --> 00:07:21,338\n2021.2021年統計有八成的民眾表態支持環境部可以入縣本席也想請教部長是不是支持這樣子的想法基本上環境對於我們所有的年輕人或是下一世代好的環境才有我們生存的空間也才能健康台灣所以我個人是支持這樣的一個看法能夠讓大家能夠更重視\n\n20\n00:07:22,618 --> 00:07:43,274\n聯合國已經把環境權納入基本的人權而我們在野黨早就在近幾年表示我們是支持的可是你會覺得執政黨的態度蠻模糊的嗎目前我還沒有接觸到這方面的是不是要入縣的這個議題但是我個人從我一個過去從事環境的理念來說的話能夠越高的支持基本上就可以更多的認同\n\n21\n00:07:44,994 --> 00:07:45,114\n下一張\n\n22\n00:08:00,995 --> 00:08:28,743\n剛剛蘇青雄委員有提到這個光電板你應該知道說環射減核似乎不太需要經過你們對不對?能源署那邊所以剛講到的問題我們可以看到我們52公頃的高爾夫球場可能都需要環屏但是他如果散落的去架設1117公頃的光電板卻什麼都不需要做\n\n23\n00:08:29,443 --> 00:08:53,518\n那上次上一任的部長也說他是對於這個很無奈啦您覺得呢目前我們的部分對於這種所謂敏感地區或是失地或是重要的這個保留區其實我們都新我們目前我們師長有定義一個草案我們會在研議當中你有自己到基層看過這樣子的有的確有些部分過去發展的太快有的確是有一些亂象\n\n24\n00:08:55,439 --> 00:09:07,557\n對,所以有沒有辦法在一週內可以提出把屋頂型的光電板納入環屏來保護臺灣的自然生態的?報告委員我可以請我們負責的市長來回應嗎?\n\n25\n00:09:10,986 --> 00:09:33,442\n跟委員報告那個目前有關屋頂型的這個還是要由能源署那邊進行有關這一些所謂的景觀或生態上面的一些的一個檢核啦那我們環境部大概會比較朝向就是一些敏感的地區或者是剛剛委員所提到的那個比較大規模的我知道因為你們管的是濕地\n\n26\n00:09:34,290 --> 00:09:50,722\n我們現在要把它擴大這個也要開始納入了不是我們要特別目前是失地但是未來要把那個比較其他的像位在一些敏感區位像野生動物國家公園那以及像山坡地的這個部分\n\n27\n00:09:51,462 --> 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這個也要開始納入了 不是我們要特別目前是失地但是未來要把那個比較其他的像位在一些敏感區位像野生動物國家公園那以及像山坡地的這個部分\n591462\t591762\t謝謝我們的陳委員發言\n","txt":"謝謝主席謝謝委員部長請彭部長部長你好感謝聽說您昨天有到我們辦公室拜訪謝謝謝謝你的歷齡可是我們昨天蠻忙的所以我們下次可以再另外約時間沒問題沒問題部長請問您有看賴總統的就職演說嗎有我在坐在這個旁邊附近\n那你知道就職演說啊全文大概是5300個字你知道提到環境啊永續跟你相關的部分有多少篇幅嗎近鄰的部分談到兩次對沒錯兩次但是跟環境部相關的業務啊只有30個字\n下一張\n剛剛林玉琴委員有提到過去半年您都有復習嘛所以過去半年呢許多的委員最重視的就是碳費啊或者是資源啊以及光電啊環評啊等等的能源我也想知道說您在這個淨零減碳做最大努力這是您受訪的時候提到的想請問您的施政施政的規劃為何\n我們會支持你\n我跟前任的部長常常聊到啦他認為他很無力也很無助這跟你們的預算應該也有相關吧希望委員多支持本席的責任之一也是協助您爭取您最大的資源好嗎好謝謝國發會呢在我們電動機車的部分訂出了一個目標他希望在\n2030年、2035年、2040年部長您知道要達到多少比例的新售比嗎?\n目前這個其實我個人我不能說我個人就是說其實還是需要蓋更積極一點其實在很多先進國家燃油汽車可能2030年最快的2030年都要必須解除但是我們臺灣畢竟環境特殊所以我個人是支持能夠提早進行轉型這是最重要的所以電動機車的部分其實我認為還有一些調整的空間您知道設定的目標是幾%嗎預計到2040年可以到零\n現在我可能數字我要再查一下\n現在只有12所以我們距離目標還有一大段的距離環境部對於我們的年輕人心中是非常有感的因為大部分是騎機車的另外他們出門也會需要帶環保杯自備的餐具等等等等還有現在很多的時尚\n我認為﹖\n下一張看一下齁\n之前我已經問過了環境部有制定過空法裏面的淘汰二行程機車及新購電動二輪車的補助方法發放新購的獎勵金吊詭的是我們運具轉型尚未達標這個補助就逐年遞減甚至在2020年全面取消\n不禁讓我們質疑說你是如何看待自身在推動電動運具轉型的角色這個是因為你剛才講的啊你說你覺得補助非常重要但你看我們不但是逐年遞減而且補助是越來越少報告委員其實因為空屋費過去這幾年為了要好好的改善空屋所以在柴油車的部分花了很多錢所以我記得是說這個有幾年的這個空屋費是明顯不足的所以需要未來委員大力的支持\n還有另外啊本席也要提醒你在2023年我們創了新低使用這個大眾運輸系統所以您剛剛有說到電動運具的轉型可是為什麼你這個大眾運輸系統密度如果沒有做夠的話其實大家是不會去使用它的因此機車在現代人的生活中還是非常的重要所以來補助機車這個部分是沒有辦法缺少的好謝謝下一張\n好,如何補貼可以讓民眾有感我們移動的污染源、空污、氣候變遷、能源議題息息相關但是上一任的部長有提到說這個經濟部呢他們有提出獎勵計畫可是你們跟經濟部是不是連結不夠深\n報告部委員這個其實我未來會加強這個會加強這個我知道這個你有發現問題了大概知道我會努力來加強好好好那我們看一下下一張\n所以之前部長告訴我的是前一任部長他說這個是一個大災問如果他沒有跟經濟部可以配合得很好的話各項政策應該要朝哪個方向來進行他沒有辦法讓民眾還有業者可以清楚的明瞭因此我們現在也很積極的想要協助大家因此我還是希望你可以重視年輕人騎機車的比例非常的高下一張\n2021.2021年統計有八成的民眾表態支持環境部可以入縣本席也想請教部長是不是支持這樣子的想法基本上環境對於我們所有的年輕人或是下一世代好的環境才有我們生存的空間也才能健康台灣所以我個人是支持這樣的一個看法能夠讓大家能夠更重視\n聯合國已經把環境權納入基本的人權而我們在野黨早就在近幾年表示我們是支持的可是你會覺得執政黨的態度蠻模糊的嗎目前我還沒有接觸到這方面的是不是要入縣的這個議題但是我個人從我一個過去從事環境的理念來說的話能夠越高的支持基本上就可以更多的認同\n下一張\n剛剛蘇青雄委員有提到這個光電板你應該知道說環射減核似乎不太需要經過你們對不對?能源署那邊所以剛講到的問題我們可以看到我們52公頃的高爾夫球場可能都需要環屏但是他如果散落的去架設1117公頃的光電板卻什麼都不需要做\n那上次上一任的部長也說他是對於這個很無奈啦您覺得呢目前我們的部分對於這種所謂敏感地區或是失地或是重要的這個保留區其實我們都新我們目前我們師長有定義一個草案我們會在研議當中你有自己到基層看過這樣子的有的確有些部分過去發展的太快有的確是有一些亂象\n對,所以有沒有辦法在一週內可以提出把屋頂型的光電板納入環屏來保護臺灣的自然生態的?報告委員我可以請我們負責的市長來回應嗎?\n跟委員報告那個目前有關屋頂型的這個還是要由能源署那邊進行有關這一些所謂的景觀或生態上面的一些的一個檢核啦那我們環境部大概會比較朝向就是一些敏感的地區或者是剛剛委員所提到的那個比較大規模的我知道因為你們管的是濕地\n我們現在要把它擴大 這個也要開始納入了 不是我們要特別目前是失地但是未來要把那個比較其他的像位在一些敏感區位像野生動物國家公園那以及像山坡地的這個部分\n謝謝我們的陳委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.565 --> 00:32.522\n謝謝主席謝謝委員部長請彭部長部長你好感謝聽說您昨天有到我們辦公室拜訪謝謝謝謝你的歷齡可是我們昨天蠻忙的所以我們下次可以再另外約時間沒問題沒問題部長請問您有看賴總統的就職演說嗎有我在坐在這個旁邊附近\n\n00:34.281 --> 00:53.292\n那你知道就職演說啊全文大概是5300個字你知道提到環境啊永續跟你相關的部分有多少篇幅嗎近鄰的部分談到兩次對沒錯兩次但是跟環境部相關的業務啊只有30個字\n\n00:55.168 --> 00:55.328\n下一張\n\n01:20.822 --> 01:48.064\n剛剛林玉琴委員有提到過去半年您都有復習嘛所以過去半年呢許多的委員最重視的就是碳費啊或者是資源啊以及光電啊環評啊等等的能源我也想知道說您在這個淨零減碳做最大努力這是您受訪的時候提到的想請問您的施政施政的規劃為何\n\n01:49.650 --> 01:50.110\n我們會支持你\n\n02:18.115 --> 02:41.716\n我跟前任的部長常常聊到啦他認為他很無力也很無助這跟你們的預算應該也有相關吧希望委員多支持本席的責任之一也是協助您爭取您最大的資源好嗎好謝謝國發會呢在我們電動機車的部分訂出了一個目標他希望在\n\n02:44.585 --> 02:50.915\n2030年、2035年、2040年部長您知道要達到多少比例的新售比嗎?\n\n02:51.878 --> 03:17.290\n目前這個其實我個人我不能說我個人就是說其實還是需要蓋更積極一點其實在很多先進國家燃油汽車可能2030年最快的2030年都要必須解除但是我們臺灣畢竟環境特殊所以我個人是支持能夠提早進行轉型這是最重要的所以電動機車的部分其實我認為還有一些調整的空間您知道設定的目標是幾%嗎預計到2040年可以到零\n\n03:21.892 --> 03:24.093\n現在我可能數字我要再查一下\n\n03:37.999 --> 03:57.929\n現在只有12所以我們距離目標還有一大段的距離環境部對於我們的年輕人心中是非常有感的因為大部分是騎機車的另外他們出門也會需要帶環保杯自備的餐具等等等等還有現在很多的時尚\n\n03:58.609 --> 03:58.629\n我認為﹖\n\n04:14.091 --> 04:14.591\n下一張看一下齁\n\n04:35.498 --> 04:57.778\n之前我已經問過了環境部有制定過空法裏面的淘汰二行程機車及新購電動二輪車的補助方法發放新購的獎勵金吊詭的是我們運具轉型尚未達標這個補助就逐年遞減甚至在2020年全面取消\n\n04:59.264 --> 05:27.945\n不禁讓我們質疑說你是如何看待自身在推動電動運具轉型的角色這個是因為你剛才講的啊你說你覺得補助非常重要但你看我們不但是逐年遞減而且補助是越來越少報告委員其實因為空屋費過去這幾年為了要好好的改善空屋所以在柴油車的部分花了很多錢所以我記得是說這個有幾年的這個空屋費是明顯不足的所以需要未來委員大力的支持\n\n05:28.906 --> 05:55.843\n還有另外啊本席也要提醒你在2023年我們創了新低使用這個大眾運輸系統所以您剛剛有說到電動運具的轉型可是為什麼你這個大眾運輸系統密度如果沒有做夠的話其實大家是不會去使用它的因此機車在現代人的生活中還是非常的重要所以來補助機車這個部分是沒有辦法缺少的好謝謝下一張\n\n05:59.602 --> 06:16.229\n好,如何補貼可以讓民眾有感我們移動的污染源、空污、氣候變遷、能源議題息息相關但是上一任的部長有提到說這個經濟部呢他們有提出獎勵計畫可是你們跟經濟部是不是連結不夠深\n\n06:18.941 --> 06:30.235\n報告部委員這個其實我未來會加強這個會加強這個我知道這個你有發現問題了大概知道我會努力來加強好好好那我們看一下下一張\n\n06:32.423 --> 06:57.606\n所以之前部長告訴我的是前一任部長他說這個是一個大災問如果他沒有跟經濟部可以配合得很好的話各項政策應該要朝哪個方向來進行他沒有辦法讓民眾還有業者可以清楚的明瞭因此我們現在也很積極的想要協助大家因此我還是希望你可以重視年輕人騎機車的比例非常的高下一張\n\n06:59.942 --> 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