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00:01:01,433\n我從頭到尾大概創作50年齁\n\n5\n00:01:45,302 --> 00:02:02,744\n今天你自己之前有講過是說這個文化禮經的部分你剛也特別業務報告紙本裡面沒有寫但是你口頭有講說希望能夠推動從現在的16歲到22歲然後往下延伸到12歲對不對這是你的理念跟想法\n\n6\n00:02:03,978 --> 00:02:24,528\n13岁13岁因为您刚口頭講的是說到12岁對那您剛的用意是說希望能夠推廣童書啊台灣的童書不只是童書我覺得我們的小孩從小學三四年級之後就進入到另外一個領域就是他幾乎不看書了他也沒有耐心看電影了他完全投入了打電動\n\n7\n00:02:25,649 --> 00:02:44,563\n﹖然後看剛剛講短影音﹖所以我覺得文化要向下扎根的話﹖文化幣是一個前面已經推動一段時間﹖發現效果很好的一個東西﹖本席這一點也是想要提出來﹖就是說歷任的文化部長就有提到﹖就是說雖然文化扎根都非常重要﹖本席也非常認同﹖\n\n8\n00:02:45,484 --> 00:02:59,030\n本期完全認同是說文化的力量就是能夠壯大我們國家的力量這點過去到現在我都支持但是大家會認為是說這就是有點傻逼的一個嫌疑啊怎麼樣能夠擺脫這個傻逼的嫌疑而不是只是\n\n9\n00:03:00,307 --> 00:03:23,010\n就是不是只是推出這樣的一個政策來討好民眾這邊你怎麼看這個不算啥比如在歐洲很多國家是有這種這種文化的國家的年齡層有含瓜到那麼廣嗎從一開始我們講說文化幣是所謂的成年禮金到22歲22歲往下延伸到16歲16歲之後新任部長在上任之後再往下12歲\n\n10\n00:03:24,994 --> 00:03:46,317\n每一任部長上任之後只是不斷地把那個範圍給擴大但是文化禮金或是所謂的文化幣的部分也層出不窮有一些濫用的一個方式包括說之前有傳出說美容美甲店也可以收文化幣包括說文化幣也可以買一些相關東西到時候還要文化部出來認證說文化幣禁止買相關東西\n\n11\n00:03:49,126 --> 00:04:07,858\n這個東西其實我覺得我們在限制上買什麼東西這個透過我們文化幣使用之後我們可以滾動的來討論所以整體會推動往下延伸到13歲因為在法國大概11歲在法國11歲就可以領取台灣想要確認一下您是不是在今年一定會推動\n\n12\n00:04:08,658 --> 00:04:27,413\n今年年底的總預算會送出來明年會讓我們生產對我希望如此因為我算過一下大概要增加大概50萬人然後大概6億左右我再一次強調他不是傻逼因為我覺得台灣的教育把小孩子當小孩子從來沒有把小孩子當大人\n\n13\n00:04:28,234 --> 00:04:42,920\n提早給他接受文化藝術這是台灣一直的問題沒有問題部長你提出來政策你為政策負責嗎所以我們會來檢視你的政策但是這是你所提出來第一個首要的政策就對了沒錯\n\n14\n00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:59,667\n再來既然講到電影本席也非常喜歡看電影之前你當然也有虧過別人說不懂文化要常看電影那其實我覺得剛剛你跟委員來討論的時候並不是講到抖音我聽您的講法您講的是說\n\n15\n00:05:03,032 --> 00:05:03,052\n拜訪議員\n\n16\n00:05:23,766 --> 00:05:42,429\n有什麼五分鐘看完一部電影七分鐘看完一部電影這可能都跟您的理念有相抵觸之處沒錯包括說我也發現很多人是一部小說用嘴巴講的嘴巴講要很快講完所以我們已經失去了沒有深層的思考我們完全失去沒有深入的判斷\n\n17\n00:05:42,930 --> 00:05:45,391\n部長您的責任非常重大因為你變成是說要跟現在所有市面上所有短影音\n\n18\n00:06:06,804 --> 00:06:08,405\n所以現在要跟金馬獎告別嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:31,977 --> 00:06:54,828\n金馬獎越做越好為什麼要告別金馬獎其實你看齁金馬獎存在著台灣的電影的重要性從他的現在增加那個電影劇本比賽金水獎比賽所以當初2019年你講告別是要怎麼告別我有講過告別嗎這是您的標題啊這個文化週報小野不是你啊\n\n20\n00:06:58,070 --> 00:07:23,457\n還是這是另外一位當然是我啊是啊那2019年的小野說要跟金馬獎告別該是告別的時刻我跟你講一種感覺本席只想確定文化部長小野先任上任之後會不會把金馬獎廢掉不會吧不但不會廢金馬獎而且這是我們台灣的驕傲這是我們中華民國的驕傲金馬獎更是華人圈的驕傲你認同吧\n\n21\n00:07:23,877 --> 00:07:44,742\n完全認同是所以本席不只要求文化部不能把金馬獎廢除本席更認為說金馬獎是華人世界的指標更應該海納百川讓所有人都覺得說來參加金馬獎來得到金馬獎是一種光榮是至高無上的榮耀你認同吧完全認同好\n\n22\n00:07:45,868 --> 00:08:11,774\n最後既然要講到電影既然要說你要說長篇的電影本席很認同啊所以我們要怎麼樣鼓勵大家能夠進電影院看電影或是說鼓勵大家進現場看表演那其中就有了我們之前討論沸沸揚揚的黃牛因為黃牛主來很多本來想要進去看表演現場看表演的人沒有辦法買到票而造成說黃牛持續的加價\n\n23\n00:08:12,734 --> 00:08:38,071\n那之前這就技術性層面喔可是我覺得新任部長就應該要有能力來解決這些技術性層面的問題三個禮拜前文化部次長在這邊我們詢問就說文創法創法之後反而很多黃牛轉型為詐騙連票都沒有變成說我們修法要對付黃牛反而會讓黃牛變成是詐騙集團另外還有變種黃牛就是榜物販售\n\n24\n00:08:39,312 --> 00:08:41,600\n我票用原價賣但是你要買一支麥克風麥克風一支賣兩萬塊送你兩張原價的票\n\n25\n00:08:46,494 --> 00:09:08,920\n當初有講是說要找相關的單位研議請問現在有沒有相關的辦法我想這件事情其實是一個非常複雜的情況我們明後天就自己內部開會提出一個方法來所以明後天能夠提出來一個有效解決的方法這個其實針對這個黃流的事情其實已經推出非常非常多次的那個方法\n\n26\n00:09:09,622 --> 00:09:31,067\n但是他的演變就像詐騙企劃一樣但是怎麼樣魔高一尺道要高一丈嗎三個禮拜前當然那個時候還是在新就任政府交接的時候可是行政沒有空窗期行政沒有休息期啊那我們現在講說你一個月內要提出相關的辦法眼看一個月就要到了怎麼樣能夠告訴國人說我們有心能夠解決這個問題並且有效嚇阻黃牛\n\n27\n00:09:34,138 --> 00:09:35,220\n你當初承諾一個月現在時間到了本身在追進度\n\n28\n00:09:50,543 --> 00:10:15,234\n是不是還沒有開會到?您還沒有掌握到?沒關係,部長您才上任第二天嘛,沒有問題很多事情方方面面本席只想提醒這件事情一樣重要就代表是您剛剛注意要大家進劇場進電影院看劇看表演都要注意到這個部分一個禮拜內跟本席書面資料可以嗎?可以嗎?OK可以好最後部長\n\n29\n00:10:17,470 --> 00:10:41,067\n來下一頁2008年你呼籲企業要贊助有一些譬如說像長篇小說創作等等的部分我想這可能是針對作家其實本行業很認同我們之前也有修過相關的法令就希望是說企業能夠幹嘛減稅來提供給一些文創公司來去做誘因讓企業真正能夠因為說實在話\n\n30\n00:10:43,336 --> 00:11:08,357\n一般的獲利盈利的這個廠商他如果說沒有足夠用意他也不會想要去資助但是如果說你有一些誘因譬如說減稅你就可能會讓這一些大企業來資助小說家資助藝文創作者資助表演團體資助文創公司那我們之前來提出的都是比較針對公司的部分個人的部分以及說能不能加強這個力道\n\n31\n00:11:09,278 --> 00:11:25,462\n您現在還是一樣的主張嗎?對,因為我最近參加一個小型的活動發現韓國的繪本遠遠超過台灣原因也很簡單韓國的大企業直接一家投資一個繪本作家這個觀念在台灣還沒有辦法做到他們怎麼做的?\n\n32\n00:11:26,772 --> 00:11:53,494\n我覺得讓我們的企業本身對於臺灣的文化這件事情覺得很重要的除了我們用ESG文化的認同嘛對不對那還有一定是有政策的鼓勵比如說也許企業能夠給他提升企業正向的形象以及企業給他資助之後可能有一些減稅的誘因是不是這樣一個推力一個拉力嘛沒錯這兩種同時要讓他願意投資文化\n\n33\n00:11:54,451 --> 00:12:22,783\n好,非常高興在第一天的這個部長的專案報告裡面有聽到這樣的一個說法本席將來也會推動我們相關的企業在支柱我們不管是藝術家表演團體公司都會有更強大的誘因能夠減稅提升正面形象也請部長一定一起支持讓我們營造更好的藝文環境這樣可以嗎?可以謝謝謝謝部長\n\n34\n00:12:25,474 --> 00:12:25,495\n好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n309\t24245\t部長好部長您是文化人嘛齁而且非常大家都知道您也叫小野如果說之後有人稱你小野部長您介意嗎我無所謂因為在台灣已經蠻多叫小野的小野當然是很典型也很形象鮮明啦齁但本席先提剛剛我覺得蠻特別的\n25512\t47926\t走過了那麼多部會聽過那麼多部長的業務報告包含之前的史哲部長之前的李永德部長但您是第一位報告完之後臺下的這些同仁幫你鼓掌的所以我也希望不要說我們的這個文化增強了馬屁文化我想這樣不好\n48925\t59390\t再來之前也有媒體報導講說小野化不要那我不知道說您看到這個小野化的部分好像也有點汙名您自己怎麼看\n60712\t61433\t我從頭到尾大概創作50年齁\n85708\t105162\t﹗\n105302\t122744\t今天你自己之前有講過是說這個文化禮經的部分你剛也特別業務報告紙本裡面沒有寫但是你口頭有講說希望能夠推動從現在的16歲到22歲然後往下延伸到12歲對不對這是你的理念跟想法\n123978\t144528\t13岁13岁因为您刚口頭講的是說到12岁對那您剛的用意是說希望能夠推廣童書啊台灣的童書不只是童書我覺得我們的小孩從小學三四年級之後就進入到另外一個領域就是他幾乎不看書了他也沒有耐心看電影了他完全投入了打電動\n145649\t164563\t﹖然後看剛剛講短影音﹖所以我覺得文化要向下扎根的話﹖文化幣是一個前面已經推動一段時間﹖發現效果很好的一個東西﹖本席這一點也是想要提出來﹖就是說歷任的文化部長就有提到﹖就是說雖然文化扎根都非常重要﹖本席也非常認同﹖\n165484\t179030\t本期完全認同是說文化的力量就是能夠壯大我們國家的力量這點過去到現在我都支持但是大家會認為是說這就是有點傻逼的一個嫌疑啊怎麼樣能夠擺脫這個傻逼的嫌疑而不是只是\n180307\t203010\t就是不是只是推出這樣的一個政策來討好民眾這邊你怎麼看這個不算啥比如在歐洲很多國家是有這種這種文化的國家的年齡層有含瓜到那麼廣嗎從一開始我們講說文化幣是所謂的成年禮金到22歲22歲往下延伸到16歲16歲之後新任部長在上任之後再往下12歲\n204994\t226317\t每一任部長上任之後只是不斷地把那個範圍給擴大但是文化禮金或是所謂的文化幣的部分也層出不窮有一些濫用的一個方式包括說之前有傳出說美容美甲店也可以收文化幣包括說文化幣也可以買一些相關東西到時候還要文化部出來認證說文化幣禁止買相關東西\n229126\t247858\t這個東西其實我覺得我們在限制上買什麼東西這個透過我們文化幣使用之後我們可以滾動的來討論所以整體會推動往下延伸到13歲因為在法國大概11歲在法國11歲就可以領取台灣想要確認一下您是不是在今年一定會推動\n248658\t267413\t今年年底的總預算會送出來明年會讓我們生產對我希望如此因為我算過一下大概要增加大概50萬人然後大概6億左右我再一次強調他不是傻逼因為我覺得台灣的教育把小孩子當小孩子從來沒有把小孩子當大人\n268234\t282920\t提早給他接受文化藝術這是台灣一直的問題沒有問題部長你提出來政策你為政策負責嗎所以我們會來檢視你的政策但是這是你所提出來第一個首要的政策就對了沒錯\n284320\t299667\t再來 既然講到電影本席也非常喜歡看電影之前你當然也有虧過別人說不懂文化要常看電影那其實我覺得剛剛你跟委員來討論的時候並不是講到抖音我聽您的講法您講的是說\n303032\t303052\t拜訪議員\n323766\t342429\t有什麼五分鐘看完一部電影七分鐘看完一部電影這可能都跟您的理念有相抵觸之處沒錯包括說我也發現很多人是一部小說用嘴巴講的嘴巴講要很快講完所以我們已經失去了沒有深層的思考我們完全失去沒有深入的判斷\n342930\t345391\t部長您的責任非常重大因為你變成是說要跟現在所有市面上所有短影音\n366804\t368405\t所以現在要跟金馬獎告別嗎?\n391977\t414828\t金馬獎越做越好為什麼要告別金馬獎其實你看齁金馬獎存在著台灣的電影的重要性從他的現在增加那個電影劇本比賽金水獎比賽所以當初2019年你講告別是要怎麼告別我有講過告別嗎這是您的標題啊這個文化週報小野不是你啊\n418070\t443457\t還是這是另外一位當然是我啊是啊那2019年的小野說要跟金馬獎告別該是告別的時刻我跟你講一種感覺本席只想確定文化部長小野先任上任之後會不會把金馬獎廢掉不會吧不但不會廢金馬獎而且這是我們台灣的驕傲這是我們中華民國的驕傲金馬獎更是華人圈的驕傲你認同吧\n443877\t464742\t完全認同是所以本席不只要求文化部不能把金馬獎廢除本席更認為說金馬獎是華人世界的指標更應該海納百川讓所有人都覺得說來參加金馬獎來得到金馬獎是一種光榮是至高無上的榮耀你認同吧完全認同好\n465868\t491774\t最後既然要講到電影既然要說你要說長篇的電影本席很認同啊所以我們要怎麼樣鼓勵大家能夠進電影院看電影或是說鼓勵大家進現場看表演那其中就有了我們之前討論沸沸揚揚的黃牛因為黃牛主來很多本來想要進去看表演現場看表演的人沒有辦法買到票而造成說黃牛持續的加價\n492734\t518071\t那之前這就技術性層面喔可是我覺得新任部長就應該要有能力來解決這些技術性層面的問題三個禮拜前文化部次長在這邊我們詢問就說文創法創法之後反而很多黃牛轉型為詐騙連票都沒有變成說我們修法要對付黃牛反而會讓黃牛變成是詐騙集團另外還有變種黃牛就是榜物販售\n519312\t521600\t我票用原價賣但是你要買一支麥克風麥克風一支賣兩萬塊送你兩張原價的票\n526494\t548920\t當初有講是說要找相關的單位研議請問現在有沒有相關的辦法我想這件事情其實是一個非常複雜的情況我們明後天就自己內部開會提出一個方法來所以明後天能夠提出來一個有效解決的方法這個其實針對這個黃流的事情其實已經推出非常非常多次的那個方法\n549622\t571067\t但是他的演變就像詐騙企劃一樣但是怎麼樣 魔高一尺 道要高一丈嗎三個禮拜前當然那個時候還是在新就任政府交接的時候可是行政沒有空窗期 行政沒有休息期啊那我們現在講說你一個月內要提出相關的辦法眼看一個月就要到了怎麼樣能夠告訴國人說我們有心能夠解決這個問題並且有效嚇阻黃牛\n574138\t575220\t你當初承諾一個月現在時間到了本身在追進度\n590543\t615234\t是不是還沒有開會到?您還沒有掌握到?沒關係,部長您才上任第二天嘛,沒有問題很多事情方方面面本席只想提醒這件事情一樣重要就代表是您剛剛注意要大家進劇場進電影院看劇看表演都要注意到這個部分一個禮拜內跟本席書面資料可以嗎?可以嗎?OK可以好最後部長\n617470\t641067\t來下一頁2008年你呼籲企業要贊助有一些譬如說像長篇小說創作等等的部分我想這可能是針對作家其實本行業很認同我們之前也有修過相關的法令就希望是說企業能夠幹嘛減稅來提供給一些文創公司來去做誘因讓企業真正能夠因為說實在話\n643336\t668357\t一般的獲利盈利的這個廠商他如果說沒有足夠用意他也不會想要去資助但是如果說你有一些誘因譬如說減稅你就可能會讓這一些大企業來資助小說家資助藝文創作者資助表演團體資助文創公司那我們之前來提出的都是比較針對公司的部分個人的部分以及說能不能加強這個力道\n669278\t685462\t您現在還是一樣的主張嗎?對,因為我最近參加一個小型的活動發現韓國的繪本遠遠超過台灣原因也很簡單韓國的大企業直接一家投資一個繪本作家這個觀念在台灣還沒有辦法做到他們怎麼做的?\n686772\t713494\t我覺得讓我們的企業本身對於臺灣的文化這件事情覺得很重要的除了我們用ESG文化的認同嘛對不對那還有一定是有政策的鼓勵比如說也許企業能夠給他提升企業正向的形象以及企業給他資助之後可能有一些減稅的誘因是不是這樣一個推力一個拉力嘛沒錯這兩種同時要讓他願意投資文化\n714451\t742783\t好,非常高興在第一天的這個部長的專案報告裡面有聽到這樣的一個說法本席將來也會推動我們相關的企業在支柱我們不管是藝術家表演團體公司都會有更強大的誘因能夠減稅提升正面形象也請部長一定一起支持讓我們營造更好的藝文環境這樣可以嗎?可以謝謝謝謝部長\n745474\t745495\t好\n","txt":"部長好部長您是文化人嘛齁而且非常大家都知道您也叫小野如果說之後有人稱你小野部長您介意嗎我無所謂因為在台灣已經蠻多叫小野的小野當然是很典型也很形象鮮明啦齁但本席先提剛剛我覺得蠻特別的\n走過了那麼多部會聽過那麼多部長的業務報告包含之前的史哲部長之前的李永德部長但您是第一位報告完之後臺下的這些同仁幫你鼓掌的所以我也希望不要說我們的這個文化增強了馬屁文化我想這樣不好\n再來之前也有媒體報導講說小野化不要那我不知道說您看到這個小野化的部分好像也有點汙名您自己怎麼看\n我從頭到尾大概創作50年齁\n﹗\n今天你自己之前有講過是說這個文化禮經的部分你剛也特別業務報告紙本裡面沒有寫但是你口頭有講說希望能夠推動從現在的16歲到22歲然後往下延伸到12歲對不對這是你的理念跟想法\n13岁13岁因为您刚口頭講的是說到12岁對那您剛的用意是說希望能夠推廣童書啊台灣的童書不只是童書我覺得我們的小孩從小學三四年級之後就進入到另外一個領域就是他幾乎不看書了他也沒有耐心看電影了他完全投入了打電動\n﹖然後看剛剛講短影音﹖所以我覺得文化要向下扎根的話﹖文化幣是一個前面已經推動一段時間﹖發現效果很好的一個東西﹖本席這一點也是想要提出來﹖就是說歷任的文化部長就有提到﹖就是說雖然文化扎根都非常重要﹖本席也非常認同﹖\n本期完全認同是說文化的力量就是能夠壯大我們國家的力量這點過去到現在我都支持但是大家會認為是說這就是有點傻逼的一個嫌疑啊怎麼樣能夠擺脫這個傻逼的嫌疑而不是只是\n就是不是只是推出這樣的一個政策來討好民眾這邊你怎麼看這個不算啥比如在歐洲很多國家是有這種這種文化的國家的年齡層有含瓜到那麼廣嗎從一開始我們講說文化幣是所謂的成年禮金到22歲22歲往下延伸到16歲16歲之後新任部長在上任之後再往下12歲\n每一任部長上任之後只是不斷地把那個範圍給擴大但是文化禮金或是所謂的文化幣的部分也層出不窮有一些濫用的一個方式包括說之前有傳出說美容美甲店也可以收文化幣包括說文化幣也可以買一些相關東西到時候還要文化部出來認證說文化幣禁止買相關東西\n這個東西其實我覺得我們在限制上買什麼東西這個透過我們文化幣使用之後我們可以滾動的來討論所以整體會推動往下延伸到13歲因為在法國大概11歲在法國11歲就可以領取台灣想要確認一下您是不是在今年一定會推動\n今年年底的總預算會送出來明年會讓我們生產對我希望如此因為我算過一下大概要增加大概50萬人然後大概6億左右我再一次強調他不是傻逼因為我覺得台灣的教育把小孩子當小孩子從來沒有把小孩子當大人\n提早給他接受文化藝術這是台灣一直的問題沒有問題部長你提出來政策你為政策負責嗎所以我們會來檢視你的政策但是這是你所提出來第一個首要的政策就對了沒錯\n再來 既然講到電影本席也非常喜歡看電影之前你當然也有虧過別人說不懂文化要常看電影那其實我覺得剛剛你跟委員來討論的時候並不是講到抖音我聽您的講法您講的是說\n拜訪議員\n有什麼五分鐘看完一部電影七分鐘看完一部電影這可能都跟您的理念有相抵觸之處沒錯包括說我也發現很多人是一部小說用嘴巴講的嘴巴講要很快講完所以我們已經失去了沒有深層的思考我們完全失去沒有深入的判斷\n部長您的責任非常重大因為你變成是說要跟現在所有市面上所有短影音\n所以現在要跟金馬獎告別嗎?\n金馬獎越做越好為什麼要告別金馬獎其實你看齁金馬獎存在著台灣的電影的重要性從他的現在增加那個電影劇本比賽金水獎比賽所以當初2019年你講告別是要怎麼告別我有講過告別嗎這是您的標題啊這個文化週報小野不是你啊\n還是這是另外一位當然是我啊是啊那2019年的小野說要跟金馬獎告別該是告別的時刻我跟你講一種感覺本席只想確定文化部長小野先任上任之後會不會把金馬獎廢掉不會吧不但不會廢金馬獎而且這是我們台灣的驕傲這是我們中華民國的驕傲金馬獎更是華人圈的驕傲你認同吧\n完全認同是所以本席不只要求文化部不能把金馬獎廢除本席更認為說金馬獎是華人世界的指標更應該海納百川讓所有人都覺得說來參加金馬獎來得到金馬獎是一種光榮是至高無上的榮耀你認同吧完全認同好\n最後既然要講到電影既然要說你要說長篇的電影本席很認同啊所以我們要怎麼樣鼓勵大家能夠進電影院看電影或是說鼓勵大家進現場看表演那其中就有了我們之前討論沸沸揚揚的黃牛因為黃牛主來很多本來想要進去看表演現場看表演的人沒有辦法買到票而造成說黃牛持續的加價\n那之前這就技術性層面喔可是我覺得新任部長就應該要有能力來解決這些技術性層面的問題三個禮拜前文化部次長在這邊我們詢問就說文創法創法之後反而很多黃牛轉型為詐騙連票都沒有變成說我們修法要對付黃牛反而會讓黃牛變成是詐騙集團另外還有變種黃牛就是榜物販售\n我票用原價賣但是你要買一支麥克風麥克風一支賣兩萬塊送你兩張原價的票\n當初有講是說要找相關的單位研議請問現在有沒有相關的辦法我想這件事情其實是一個非常複雜的情況我們明後天就自己內部開會提出一個方法來所以明後天能夠提出來一個有效解決的方法這個其實針對這個黃流的事情其實已經推出非常非常多次的那個方法\n但是他的演變就像詐騙企劃一樣但是怎麼樣 魔高一尺 道要高一丈嗎三個禮拜前當然那個時候還是在新就任政府交接的時候可是行政沒有空窗期 行政沒有休息期啊那我們現在講說你一個月內要提出相關的辦法眼看一個月就要到了怎麼樣能夠告訴國人說我們有心能夠解決這個問題並且有效嚇阻黃牛\n你當初承諾一個月現在時間到了本身在追進度\n是不是還沒有開會到?您還沒有掌握到?沒關係,部長您才上任第二天嘛,沒有問題很多事情方方面面本席只想提醒這件事情一樣重要就代表是您剛剛注意要大家進劇場進電影院看劇看表演都要注意到這個部分一個禮拜內跟本席書面資料可以嗎?可以嗎?OK可以好最後部長\n來下一頁2008年你呼籲企業要贊助有一些譬如說像長篇小說創作等等的部分我想這可能是針對作家其實本行業很認同我們之前也有修過相關的法令就希望是說企業能夠幹嘛減稅來提供給一些文創公司來去做誘因讓企業真正能夠因為說實在話\n一般的獲利盈利的這個廠商他如果說沒有足夠用意他也不會想要去資助但是如果說你有一些誘因譬如說減稅你就可能會讓這一些大企業來資助小說家資助藝文創作者資助表演團體資助文創公司那我們之前來提出的都是比較針對公司的部分個人的部分以及說能不能加強這個力道\n您現在還是一樣的主張嗎?對,因為我最近參加一個小型的活動發現韓國的繪本遠遠超過台灣原因也很簡單韓國的大企業直接一家投資一個繪本作家這個觀念在台灣還沒有辦法做到他們怎麼做的?\n我覺得讓我們的企業本身對於臺灣的文化這件事情覺得很重要的除了我們用ESG文化的認同嘛對不對那還有一定是有政策的鼓勵比如說也許企業能夠給他提升企業正向的形象以及企業給他資助之後可能有一些減稅的誘因是不是這樣一個推力一個拉力嘛沒錯這兩種同時要讓他願意投資文化\n好,非常高興在第一天的這個部長的專案報告裡面有聽到這樣的一個說法本席將來也會推動我們相關的企業在支柱我們不管是藝術家表演團體公司都會有更強大的誘因能夠減稅提升正面形象也請部長一定一起支持讓我們營造更好的藝文環境這樣可以嗎?可以謝謝謝謝部長\n好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.309 --> 00:24.245\n部長好部長您是文化人嘛齁而且非常大家都知道您也叫小野如果說之後有人稱你小野部長您介意嗎我無所謂因為在台灣已經蠻多叫小野的小野當然是很典型也很形象鮮明啦齁但本席先提剛剛我覺得蠻特別的\n\n00:25.512 --> 00:47.926\n走過了那麼多部會聽過那麼多部長的業務報告包含之前的史哲部長之前的李永德部長但您是第一位報告完之後臺下的這些同仁幫你鼓掌的所以我也希望不要說我們的這個文化增強了馬屁文化我想這樣不好\n\n00:48.925 --> 00:59.390\n再來之前也有媒體報導講說小野化不要那我不知道說您看到這個小野化的部分好像也有點汙名您自己怎麼看\n\n01:00.712 --> 01:01.433\n我從頭到尾大概創作50年齁\n\n01:45.302 --> 02:02.744\n今天你自己之前有講過是說這個文化禮經的部分你剛也特別業務報告紙本裡面沒有寫但是你口頭有講說希望能夠推動從現在的16歲到22歲然後往下延伸到12歲對不對這是你的理念跟想法\n\n02:03.978 --> 02:24.528\n13岁13岁因为您刚口頭講的是說到12岁對那您剛的用意是說希望能夠推廣童書啊台灣的童書不只是童書我覺得我們的小孩從小學三四年級之後就進入到另外一個領域就是他幾乎不看書了他也沒有耐心看電影了他完全投入了打電動\n\n02:25.649 --> 02:44.563\n﹖然後看剛剛講短影音﹖所以我覺得文化要向下扎根的話﹖文化幣是一個前面已經推動一段時間﹖發現效果很好的一個東西﹖本席這一點也是想要提出來﹖就是說歷任的文化部長就有提到﹖就是說雖然文化扎根都非常重要﹖本席也非常認同﹖\n\n02:45.484 --> 02:59.030\n本期完全認同是說文化的力量就是能夠壯大我們國家的力量這點過去到現在我都支持但是大家會認為是說這就是有點傻逼的一個嫌疑啊怎麼樣能夠擺脫這個傻逼的嫌疑而不是只是\n\n03:00.307 --> 03:23.010\n就是不是只是推出這樣的一個政策來討好民眾這邊你怎麼看這個不算啥比如在歐洲很多國家是有這種這種文化的國家的年齡層有含瓜到那麼廣嗎從一開始我們講說文化幣是所謂的成年禮金到22歲22歲往下延伸到16歲16歲之後新任部長在上任之後再往下12歲\n\n03:24.994 --> 03:46.317\n每一任部長上任之後只是不斷地把那個範圍給擴大但是文化禮金或是所謂的文化幣的部分也層出不窮有一些濫用的一個方式包括說之前有傳出說美容美甲店也可以收文化幣包括說文化幣也可以買一些相關東西到時候還要文化部出來認證說文化幣禁止買相關東西\n\n03:49.126 --> 04:07.858\n這個東西其實我覺得我們在限制上買什麼東西這個透過我們文化幣使用之後我們可以滾動的來討論所以整體會推動往下延伸到13歲因為在法國大概11歲在法國11歲就可以領取台灣想要確認一下您是不是在今年一定會推動\n\n04:08.658 --> 04:27.413\n今年年底的總預算會送出來明年會讓我們生產對我希望如此因為我算過一下大概要增加大概50萬人然後大概6億左右我再一次強調他不是傻逼因為我覺得台灣的教育把小孩子當小孩子從來沒有把小孩子當大人\n\n04:28.234 --> 04:42.920\n提早給他接受文化藝術這是台灣一直的問題沒有問題部長你提出來政策你為政策負責嗎所以我們會來檢視你的政策但是這是你所提出來第一個首要的政策就對了沒錯\n\n04:44.320 --> 04:59.667\n再來既然講到電影本席也非常喜歡看電影之前你當然也有虧過別人說不懂文化要常看電影那其實我覺得剛剛你跟委員來討論的時候並不是講到抖音我聽您的講法您講的是說\n\n05:03.032 --> 05:03.052\n拜訪議員\n\n05:23.766 --> 05:42.429\n有什麼五分鐘看完一部電影七分鐘看完一部電影這可能都跟您的理念有相抵觸之處沒錯包括說我也發現很多人是一部小說用嘴巴講的嘴巴講要很快講完所以我們已經失去了沒有深層的思考我們完全失去沒有深入的判斷\n\n05:42.930 --> 05:45.391\n部長您的責任非常重大因為你變成是說要跟現在所有市面上所有短影音\n\n06:06.804 --> 06:08.405\n所以現在要跟金馬獎告別嗎?\n\n06:31.977 --> 06:54.828\n金馬獎越做越好為什麼要告別金馬獎其實你看齁金馬獎存在著台灣的電影的重要性從他的現在增加那個電影劇本比賽金水獎比賽所以當初2019年你講告別是要怎麼告別我有講過告別嗎這是您的標題啊這個文化週報小野不是你啊\n\n06:58.070 --> 07:23.457\n還是這是另外一位當然是我啊是啊那2019年的小野說要跟金馬獎告別該是告別的時刻我跟你講一種感覺本席只想確定文化部長小野先任上任之後會不會把金馬獎廢掉不會吧不但不會廢金馬獎而且這是我們台灣的驕傲這是我們中華民國的驕傲金馬獎更是華人圈的驕傲你認同吧\n\n07:23.877 --> 07:44.742\n完全認同是所以本席不只要求文化部不能把金馬獎廢除本席更認為說金馬獎是華人世界的指標更應該海納百川讓所有人都覺得說來參加金馬獎來得到金馬獎是一種光榮是至高無上的榮耀你認同吧完全認同好\n\n07:45.868 --> 08:11.774\n最後既然要講到電影既然要說你要說長篇的電影本席很認同啊所以我們要怎麼樣鼓勵大家能夠進電影院看電影或是說鼓勵大家進現場看表演那其中就有了我們之前討論沸沸揚揚的黃牛因為黃牛主來很多本來想要進去看表演現場看表演的人沒有辦法買到票而造成說黃牛持續的加價\n\n08:12.734 --> 08:38.071\n那之前這就技術性層面喔可是我覺得新任部長就應該要有能力來解決這些技術性層面的問題三個禮拜前文化部次長在這邊我們詢問就說文創法創法之後反而很多黃牛轉型為詐騙連票都沒有變成說我們修法要對付黃牛反而會讓黃牛變成是詐騙集團另外還有變種黃牛就是榜物販售\n\n08:39.312 --> 08:41.600\n我票用原價賣但是你要買一支麥克風麥克風一支賣兩萬塊送你兩張原價的票\n\n08:46.494 --> 09:08.920\n當初有講是說要找相關的單位研議請問現在有沒有相關的辦法我想這件事情其實是一個非常複雜的情況我們明後天就自己內部開會提出一個方法來所以明後天能夠提出來一個有效解決的方法這個其實針對這個黃流的事情其實已經推出非常非常多次的那個方法\n\n09:09.622 --> 09:31.067\n但是他的演變就像詐騙企劃一樣但是怎麼樣魔高一尺道要高一丈嗎三個禮拜前當然那個時候還是在新就任政府交接的時候可是行政沒有空窗期行政沒有休息期啊那我們現在講說你一個月內要提出相關的辦法眼看一個月就要到了怎麼樣能夠告訴國人說我們有心能夠解決這個問題並且有效嚇阻黃牛\n\n09:34.138 --> 09:35.220\n你當初承諾一個月現在時間到了本身在追進度\n\n09:50.543 --> 10:15.234\n是不是還沒有開會到?您還沒有掌握到?沒關係,部長您才上任第二天嘛,沒有問題很多事情方方面面本席只想提醒這件事情一樣重要就代表是您剛剛注意要大家進劇場進電影院看劇看表演都要注意到這個部分一個禮拜內跟本席書面資料可以嗎?可以嗎?OK可以好最後部長\n\n10:17.470 --> 10:41.067\n來下一頁2008年你呼籲企業要贊助有一些譬如說像長篇小說創作等等的部分我想這可能是針對作家其實本行業很認同我們之前也有修過相關的法令就希望是說企業能夠幹嘛減稅來提供給一些文創公司來去做誘因讓企業真正能夠因為說實在話\n\n10:43.336 --> 11:08.357\n一般的獲利盈利的這個廠商他如果說沒有足夠用意他也不會想要去資助但是如果說你有一些誘因譬如說減稅你就可能會讓這一些大企業來資助小說家資助藝文創作者資助表演團體資助文創公司那我們之前來提出的都是比較針對公司的部分個人的部分以及說能不能加強這個力道\n\n11:09.278 --> 11:25.462\n您現在還是一樣的主張嗎?對,因為我最近參加一個小型的活動發現韓國的繪本遠遠超過台灣原因也很簡單韓國的大企業直接一家投資一個繪本作家這個觀念在台灣還沒有辦法做到他們怎麼做的?\n\n11:26.772 --> 11:53.494\n我覺得讓我們的企業本身對於臺灣的文化這件事情覺得很重要的除了我們用ESG文化的認同嘛對不對那還有一定是有政策的鼓勵比如說也許企業能夠給他提升企業正向的形象以及企業給他資助之後可能有一些減稅的誘因是不是這樣一個推力一個拉力嘛沒錯這兩種同時要讓他願意投資文化\n\n11:54.451 --> 12:22.783\n好,非常高興在第一天的這個部長的專案報告裡面有聽到這樣的一個說法本席將來也會推動我們相關的企業在支柱我們不管是藝術家表演團體公司都會有更強大的誘因能夠減稅提升正面形象也請部長一定一起支持讓我們營造更好的藝文環境這樣可以嗎?可以謝謝謝謝部長\n\n12:25.474 --> 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