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00:01:20,920\n所以現在少子化的問題非常的嚴重那我想我們再來看到一個數據我想政府從107年的7月核定少子化對策的計畫到現在新生兒的人數是逐年下降的在107年的時候還有181,601名新生兒但是到了112年只剩下135,571名短短6年我們新生兒的人數就減少了46,030名\n\n5\n00:01:32,668 --> 00:01:53,999\n所以這個數字是創有統計以來最低而且我們看到去年的12月外國的一個媒體就是這個經濟學人的雜誌指出全球生育率倒數五名的排名台灣的生育率在全球最後就全球倒數第一我想副主委是不是能夠提一下我們有沒有去檢討過少子化對策\n\n6\n00:01:55,180 --> 00:02:14,180\n我想那個潮池華對策在院裡面有之前有林萬義政委其實定期滾動的調整那我們現在的這些少子女化的那個預算其實已經超過已經到達1200多億元了那用在減輕年輕人的那個養育生育的負擔\n\n7\n00:02:15,301 --> 00:02:40,641\n拜託副主委,我不是在問你這個政策是什麼,我是在問你說你有沒有去檢討過這個對策。因為看起來成效不彰啊。對,就是一直滾動在調整,每年幾乎都有新的措施出來啦。那當然就是出生率降低,我想可能也不只是台灣的問題,像新加坡、韓國其實也都相當的嚴重。\n\n8\n00:02:42,142 --> 00:02:42,362\n蘇珊瑚\n\n9\n00:02:57,881 --> 00:03:11,051\n我接受您說的這個滾動式檢討那我希望你會後能不能給我一份比較具體的你到底檢討出了什麼個所以然來好嗎因為今天時間也有限但是我們看到這個根據審計部111年的決算報告當中有指出來我們國人低生育的原因大概就是不婚跟晚婚但是本席發現這個審計部還有說到這不婚跟晚婚是沒有明確的主責機關的我想這個副主委請教一下\n\n10\n00:03:26,903 --> 00:03:35,483\n是沒有明確的主責機關,國法會可以來主責嗎?不婚,因為不婚的原因非常的多元啦吼。\n\n11\n00:03:36,633 --> 00:04:04,907\n好。那不婚的目前是內政部在主責。婚姻就是結婚姻就是。所以您認為這個就是選計部指出的這個不婚跟晚婚啊這個沒有一個明確的主責機關。但國防會副主委您認為應該主責機關是內政部是這樣嗎?是。就是因為少子女化這個對策是林萬玉委員在做整體的規劃。那裡面有關於不婚這一塊是內政部在負責。\n\n12\n00:04:13,409 --> 00:04:32,373\n您自己也應該非常了解根據這個國發會組織法第二條第一項第六款您可以看一下喔您自己非常清楚您執掌的是這個人力資源發展政策裡面也有寫到因應少子化等等本來就是國發會的業務項目項目嘛所以你也不可能完全去推給內政部啊所以我想\n\n13\n00:04:33,533 --> 00:05:00,422\n若果說在這個主責單位上面不管是您這個有負責少子化或者是相關的人口政策其實在國防會都有那今天呢副主委的回答如果全部推給內政部本身是不能接受的應該不是完全推給內政部就是說因為我們在那個計畫裡面有部會的分工那我們國防會也會參加這個會議那我們在會議當中呢我們也會基於國防會職責我們會提供一些相關的建議給各部會那我想這個\n\n14\n00:05:02,463 --> 00:05:14,112\n副主委我想我們為什麼本期提到這個少子化因為就是少子化現在國安問題非常嚴重那我們人口呈現負成長勞動力一直在下滑那所以今天我們也來討論嘛就是外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第九條來做這樣的一個討論我想我們來提一看一個政策這個就業金卡\n\n15\n00:05:20,998 --> 00:05:21,018\n〔記者訪問〕\n\n16\n00:05:44,733 --> 00:05:51,872\n四十萬人本期不太了解能不能說明一下是累計四十萬還是長期留台工作生活四十萬人是哪一種?\n\n17\n00:05:53,777 --> 00:05:55,338\n則不予審查：萬美玲則不予審查：萬美玲\n\n18\n00:06:17,213 --> 00:06:18,094\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n19\n00:06:53,524 --> 00:07:20,721\n能不能簡單說明一下我們這個40萬人包括個剛才那個委員講到外特定專業人才專業人才僱外生另外還有一個我們就是那個移工就是那個中間的技術人力所以我們這是四個加起來我們希望達到40萬人那的確這個目標是相當具有挑戰性可是我想我們國防會協同其他的部會我們會全力達成比如說僱外生這一塊我們都非常的積極的\n\n20\n00:07:22,462 --> 00:07:44,734\n好,所以我想,既然相當具有挑戰性,你看嘛,國發會自己組織,然後教育部也有專案,我想其他的部會應該也還有一些計畫,那我覺得要再加強啦。那最後一點,一小點,那國發會在111年所做的調查來看,其實有16.7%的吃咖者其實已經不在台灣工作,而且準備申請永久居留才佔比30%。\n\n21\n00:07:46,055 --> 00:08:01,136\n那所以副主委我想我們這個就業金卡我們去發這個的終極目的不是就是希望他能夠有意願留在台灣來為台灣來貢獻所長喔那但到最後竟然這個三成人員留下來那這出了什麼問題啊基本上齁這些\n\n22\n00:08:02,197 --> 00:08:15,949\n蘇維德那個特定專業人才他們都是國際移動性非常高的他們是全球跑來跑去的所以呢他比如說有一些細股的台灣網他們有時候就是他不見得會留在台灣因為他們要到世界各國去尋找\n\n23\n00:08:18,271 --> 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05:55.338\n則不予審查：萬美玲則不予審查：萬美玲\n\n06:17.213 --> 06:18.094\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n06:53.524 --> 07:20.721\n能不能簡單說明一下我們這個40萬人包括個剛才那個委員講到外特定專業人才專業人才僱外生另外還有一個我們就是那個移工就是那個中間的技術人力所以我們這是四個加起來我們希望達到40萬人那的確這個目標是相當具有挑戰性可是我想我們國防會協同其他的部會我們會全力達成比如說僱外生這一塊我們都非常的積極的\n\n07:22.462 --> 07:44.734\n好,所以我想,既然相當具有挑戰性,你看嘛,國發會自己組織,然後教育部也有專案,我想其他的部會應該也還有一些計畫,那我覺得要再加強啦。那最後一點,一小點,那國發會在111年所做的調查來看,其實有16.7%的吃咖者其實已經不在台灣工作,而且準備申請永久居留才佔比30%。\n\n07:46.055 --> 08:01.136\n那所以副主委我想我們這個就業金卡我們去發這個的終極目的不是就是希望他能夠有意願留在台灣來為台灣來貢獻所長喔那但到最後竟然這個三成人員留下來那這出了什麼問題啊基本上齁這些\n\n08:02.197 --> 08:15.949\n蘇維德那個特定專業人才他們都是國際移動性非常高的他們是全球跑來跑去的所以呢他比如說有一些細股的台灣網他們有時候就是他不見得會留在台灣因為他們要到世界各國去尋找\n\n08:18.271 --> 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