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嚴重的，但是我也不會因為這樣，在沒有把事情搞清楚之前做出懲處，但是我答應委員，我會立刻做出決定。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我不認識這個館長，我跟他也沒有任何的恩怨，讓他下臺對我來說一點幫助也沒有，我們要的也不是任何一個人下臺，我們要的是負起責任，改善這個問題，未來不要再發生，這才是國人想看到的。今天把別人鬥倒，對我們來說不會有任何加分；今天把你考倒，對我來說我不會有多好，我們要的是文化越來越好，臺灣越來越好，我們一起努力，這樣可以嗎？謝謝。"],["李部長遠：謝謝，當然是。"],["主席：謝謝羅廷瑋委員，部長請回。我們接下來請葛如鈞委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":154,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-13","speakers":["林宜瑾","萬美玲","柯志恩","洪孟楷","羅廷瑋","葛如鈞","陳秀寳","張雅琳","陳培瑜","郭昱晴","吳春城","范雲","葉元之","吳沛憶","蘇巧慧","林倩綺","楊瓊瓔","麥玉珍","高金素梅","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","張智倫","陳冠廷","林楚茵"],"page_start":85,"meetingDate":["2024-05-22"],"gazette_id":"1135001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1135001_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1135001_00002"}},"transcript":{"id":"152762","pyannote":{"name":"ronny","tool":"pyannote","data":{"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152762","tool":"pyannote","id":"152762-pyannote"},"job_id":"OUeat5VL7f45v6wl","queued_at":"2024-05-30 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00:02:11,765\n您個人在未來的一個想法看法以及準備要做的而不是原本3月27號本來文化部就要做的事情今天又再一次的在這邊跟我們再講一次所以部長可以談一下你心中的一個抱負跟藍圖嗎我覺得\n\n7\n00:02:15,799 --> 00:02:25,971\n我心目中覺得台灣的文化包括剛剛講到因為我自己經歷過電影電視還有文學你如果要用簡單的方式講我的抱負的話我覺得台灣這個\n\n8\n00:02:29,912 --> 00:02:55,365\n經過歷史的一種撞擊出來的文化我希望所有台灣人會對自己的文化感到驕傲而不是覺得很自卑要去追求韓國日本從外來的文化得到一種滋養你如果問我的抱負是這個我就只有這個抱負但是根據你剛剛講的那個業務報告的確是那我一點一點會把我想要做的事情再慢慢讓大家知道\n\n9\n00:02:57,159 --> 00:03:23,068\n好,上任才兩天嘛當然我們不能怪你但是我要講的就是說文化部我們認識了因為這幾個月我們都在了解但如果這份報告裡面有太少有關於您未來想做的我覺得那我們就沒有必要去再做這麼多的一個溝通了但因為我就是跟以往的時政部長都差不多嘛那所以包括剛剛我覺得聽到你這樣講\n\n10\n00:03:25,019 --> 00:03:40,627\n你是一個廣義的一個創作家算是一個創作家所以對黃牛我也很重視所以我更希望包括剛剛你說一個月份可以看到書面報告黃牛的處理方法這部分我也想要了解也麻煩你讓我也知道會後的相關資料\n\n11\n00:03:42,168 --> 00:04:00,355\n那之前我也有在這裡諮詢過包括我們企業應該要協助不管是繪本也好或者是相關的文化產業也罷我在這邊提到我們的孩子接觸到的是國外的繪本國外的卡通國外的電影\n\n12\n00:04:01,195 --> 00:04:30,165\n所以我在這邊也提過包括我們最近孩子一直在接觸到的蘑菇蘑菇這一類的在地的影音繪本我們能夠加強所以我也希望你的態度展現出來未來能夠在這個文化部分能夠給予企業更多的鼓勵更多的一些獎勵鼓勵他們要來幫助我們在地的文化產業這部分我有聽到你剛剛的回答我感覺到有點欣慰我們也希望能夠看到實際的作為但是我還是要跟你說文化部\n\n13\n00:04:31,325 --> 00:04:53,155\n投資都慘賠拒絕國發基金當成文化部的小金庫這件事情你有掌握到嗎我想我稍微知道我想專案投資73案投資的績效超級差扣掉民間投資的錢全部都賠償這些都是國人納稅錢幾乎都賠千萬以上我舉幾個例子有賠823萬有賠897萬\n\n14\n00:04:57,864 --> 00:05:23,260\n有賠1437萬有賠1782萬1782萬還不是賠最多的本席留一點面子給文化部給部長不要點破專案投資是文化部所獨有的一個政策這沒有什麼不好我們支持也支持要振興地方的產業我們台灣的文化但是我們要防止他濫用我還是要再說一次投資有賺有賠但是每一個案子都是慘賠\n\n15\n00:05:24,801 --> 00:05:49,543\n我們就會擔心會不會有濫用的問題之前時哲部長回覆我一個電影跟IP作品的發行他的回收時間是長的部長時哲部長根本是鬼扯以電影來說票房還是最重要的數據難道不是嗎部長是我想不是請不然請部長能夠舉出電影票房不好但總回收很好的電影嗎你有想像到嗎\n\n16\n00:05:52,099 --> 00:05:54,981\n那我想部長殺青是什麼意思?\n\n17\n00:06:19,932 --> 00:06:22,433\n我們有殺青的時間跟通過投審會的時間以及電影上映的時間已經拍完的片子國發基金投資的決策邏輯是什麼?文化部過投審會有人看過飾片嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:51,547 --> 00:07:15,774\n這個其實我們每一個補助的案子他都按照他的原來的進度然後有一個評審在看有一群評審在看我想經過投審會的時間上映時間喔只有一天你有看到我的數據如果有錯你可以糾正我如果已經拍完的片都沒有人看過視片投審會怎麼決定要不要投資部長你有沒有覺得很奇怪\n\n19\n00:07:19,625 --> 00:07:40,387\n其實電影這個行業政府補助電影這個行業電影基本上的變動拍完後再後製再延個半年一年它是一個變動很大的行業它不是一個你想像中可以按照你的時間剛好完成它有時候要趕上這個補助可能最後一天政府可能通融它讓它過\n\n20\n00:07:41,388 --> 00:08:07,510\n因為台灣拍電影的基本上都是一些小公司然後它的資金結構也不太健全我想這點的確是我們整體生態的問題我想很辛苦這些地方的文化產業我們要支持我還是絕對支持文化部支持帶動推動我們台灣的文化內容發展但文哲院我覺得在這樣子的一個做法中一天\n\n21\n00:08:07,910 --> 00:08:08,350\n人民的納稅錢可以接受嗎?\n\n22\n00:08:24,184 --> 00:08:43,936\n可以啊好第二個成立南部的營運中心南部辦公室效益何在文策院在南部辦公室根據文策院所提供資料成立南部辦公室的目的是為推進台灣文化內容產業的均衡發展作為台灣產業各區中長期的發展所需資料\n\n23\n00:08:44,696 --> 00:09:09,145\n我想部長這聽起來這個目標很偉大但是設一個南部辦公室在高雄那中部辦公室可能也需要喔中部辦公室中部的文化中部的產業也需要推廣也需要這麼宏大的一個目標可不可以中部也設一個這件事情我還沒有搞懂為什麼要南部設一個中部設一個這個我還沒搞懂我是不是請蔡董事長解釋蔡董事長\n\n24\n00:09:11,886 --> 00:09:23,431\n我會讓他時間解釋啊但我的意思是說你要推廣文化就要在南部設立就可以推廣代表你有這麼宏大的一個目標嘛設立這個就可以推廣那中部也要啊\n\n25\n00:09:24,502 --> 00:09:53,781\n那如果你說南部一個中部一個那北部一個就夠啦台北文化部就可以處理整個台灣的文化那為什麼一定要特別南部又再一個我想聽起來很偉大但是設一個辦公室到底有沒有必要性那為什麼南部辦公室要設在高雄屏東不行嗎台南不行嗎我想剛剛講的一些業務一定要專門設一個辦公室才能做這讓大家真的感受到問題在哪裡剛剛講的那些業務台北不能做\n\n26\n00:09:55,267 --> 00:10:13,834\n我想部長我們看跑步影3根據合約租約從去年9月1號開始7個月過去了為什麼到現在還沒有人員進駐這個好像是文策院內部的董事會在提這個我完全不知道這件事情董事長請\n\n27\n00:10:17,412 --> 00:10:43,241\n不好意思,我幫部長回答一下這是文策略內的業務南部辦公室的成立其實因為我們使用博二的共創園區二區時數還沒拿到我們還無法正式的在營業那上個月剛剛拿到了目前為止我們所編列的人員也還沒有對外正式在recruit我們只有沿用文策略內部的一名員工用最精簡的人力那未來如果委員覺得中部有可能來設辦公室我們會積極審慎的評估跟考慮\n\n28\n00:10:45,842 --> 00:11:08,213\n董事長那我想請問一下租業從去年9月1號開始7個月過去了租金有算嗎?租金要算因為要裝潢阿對所以使用執照還沒有拿到嘛沒辦法進租對不對所以每月租金10萬7千100元7個月空屋擺在那國人納稅錢已經被浪費掉74萬9千700元當然我們說裝潢啦我們有沒有跟這個房東都講一個裝潢期\n\n29\n00:11:10,909 --> 00:11:37,335\n正常我們都會跟房東講吧是我們各種談判跟高雄那邊文化局都有談過那事實上其實我們所談的discount是從整個的房租優惠談起啦所以你覺得這個十萬七千有優惠有優惠有優惠是470萬的裝潢費目前裝潢進入到哪目前裝潢完畢裝潢完畢了裝潢完畢好那我想死照都還沒拿到就趕裝潢萬一他沒拿到死照勒\n\n30\n00:11:38,956 --> 00:12:05,204\n呃,裝潢跟正式拿到死罩應該是兩個事情了。對,但是我裝潢好以後,他如果沒死罩,我不能用啊。是。對吧?會不會就浪費錢了?應該不自由這個現象啦。我們當然是大膽的假設,小心的求證啦。我們也希望錢要花在刀口上啦。我們相信他一定拿得到死罩,但我還是合理的範圍內去推算吧。那因為現在已經拿到了,謝謝委員關心。\n\n31\n00:12:06,784 --> 00:12:07,544\n再多跟委員討論好不好好\n\n32\n00:12:34,736 --> 00:12:57,156\n好那最後剛剛好像有其他的委員有提到這個文學館抄襲的事件我想再一次請問一下部長請問一下最後這個館長說要負責是怎麼負責這件事情我們已經進行剛剛講說我不會這麼用這麼粗暴的語言說我要他怎樣怎樣但是我必須跟大家講我絕對不會那個\n\n33\n00:13:00,489 --> 00:13:28,615\n讓這個責任只推到這個第一線的這個職員對但是我也沒辦法很粗暴的告訴你說我要換掉誰換掉誰我覺得這樣講好像只是一個誠意識之快對畢竟我我再沒有當文化部長之前我跟這個台文館也接觸過好幾年當評審我覺得裡面的很多員工都蠻優秀的所以我們我雖然知道抄襲這些事情是一個非常不應該的而且是很嚴重的但是我也不會因為這樣子就\n\n34\n00:13:29,659 --> 00:13:54,684\n沒有把事情搞清楚之後做出懲處但是我答應委員我立刻會做出決定我想我不認識這個館長我跟他也沒有任何的恩怨拿下他讓他下台對我來說一點幫助也沒有我們要的也不是任何一個人下台我們要的是負起責任改善這個問題未來不要再有發聲這才是國人想看到的\n\n35\n00:13:55,464 --> 00:13:55,604\n謝謝羅廷瑋委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7786\t11028\t主席謝謝有請部長好有請李部長部長好你好部長那我就直接稱呼你小野部長好\n22862\t49181\t新的新政想必部長也有很多的一個報復跟施政的藍圖但是我看完今天的這個業務報告內容喔心中不免有個疑問想跟你請教一下今天的內容邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況所以今天這一場到底是文化部的報告還是李遠部長的報告還是小野部長的報告這個施政藍圖業務報告為什麼我要這樣說\n51883\t69840\t今天的書面報告裡面有高達99.1%的內容跟3月27史澤部長業務報告的內容一樣像推動台語的主流化公視兒少開台重建台灣藝術史振興出版產業\n71383\t94349\t如果這是文化部的業務報告那好像誰來做部長都差不多但如果底下因為底下的有一群職業文官會做事他們可以維持業務運作部長只是掛名那今天這個業務報告我們希望他能夠論述到是部長您未來的一個抱負跟他的一個藍圖很顯然的這份報告我看不到\n95373\t115148\t有您的概念跟未來的抱負當然有一些我有從所謂的新聞包括文化幣向下延伸這是你的一個想法我們想要認識想要了解的包括剛剛孟凱委員他也想知道金馬獎一次你的態度所以我們想更認識的是小野部長\n115928\t131765\t您個人在未來的一個想法看法以及準備要做的而不是原本3月27號本來文化部就要做的事情今天又再一次的在這邊跟我們再講一次所以部長可以談一下你心中的一個抱負跟藍圖嗎我覺得\n135799\t145971\t我心目中覺得台灣的文化包括剛剛講到因為我自己經歷過電影電視還有文學你如果要用簡單的方式講我的抱負的話我覺得台灣這個\n149912\t175365\t經過歷史的一種撞擊出來的文化我希望所有台灣人會對自己的文化感到驕傲而不是覺得很自卑要去追求韓國日本從外來的文化得到一種滋養你如果問我的抱負是這個我就只有這個抱負但是根據你剛剛講的那個業務報告的確是那我一點一點會把我想要做的事情再慢慢讓大家知道\n177159\t203068\t好,上任才兩天嘛當然我們不能怪你但是我要講的就是說文化部我們認識了因為這幾個月我們都在了解但如果這份報告裡面有太少有關於您未來想做的我覺得那我們就沒有必要去再做這麼多的一個溝通了但因為我就是跟以往的時政部長都差不多嘛那所以包括剛剛我覺得聽到你這樣講\n205019\t220627\t你是一個廣義的一個創作家算是一個創作家所以對黃牛我也很重視所以我更希望包括剛剛你說一個月份可以看到書面報告黃牛的處理方法這部分我也想要了解也麻煩你讓我也知道會後的相關資料\n222168\t240355\t那之前我也有在這裡諮詢過包括我們企業應該要協助不管是繪本也好或者是相關的文化產業也罷我在這邊提到我們的孩子接觸到的是國外的繪本國外的卡通國外的電影\n241195\t270165\t所以我在這邊也提過包括我們最近孩子一直在接觸到的蘑菇蘑菇這一類的在地的影音繪本我們能夠加強所以我也希望你的態度展現出來未來能夠在這個文化部分能夠給予企業更多的鼓勵更多的一些獎勵鼓勵他們要來幫助我們在地的文化產業這部分我有聽到你剛剛的回答我感覺到有點欣慰我們也希望能夠看到實際的作為但是我還是要跟你說文化部\n271325\t293155\t投資都慘賠拒絕國發基金當成文化部的小金庫這件事情你有掌握到嗎我想我稍微知道我想專案投資73案投資的績效超級差扣掉民間投資的錢全部都賠償這些都是國人納稅錢幾乎都賠千萬以上我舉幾個例子有賠823萬有賠897萬\n297864\t323260\t有賠1437萬有賠1782萬1782萬還不是賠最多的本席留一點面子給文化部給部長不要點破專案投資是文化部所獨有的一個政策這沒有什麼不好我們支持也支持要振興地方的產業我們台灣的文化但是我們要防止他濫用我還是要再說一次投資有賺有賠但是每一個案子都是慘賠\n324801\t349543\t我們就會擔心會不會有濫用的問題之前時哲部長回覆我一個電影跟IP作品的發行他的回收時間是長的部長時哲部長根本是鬼扯以電影來說票房還是最重要的數據難道不是嗎部長是我想不是請不然請部長能夠舉出電影票房不好但總回收很好的電影嗎你有想像到嗎\n352099\t354981\t那我想部長殺青是什麼意思?\n379932\t382433\t我們有殺青的時間跟通過投審會的時間以及電影上映的時間已經拍完的片子國發基金投資的決策邏輯是什麼?文化部過投審會有人看過飾片嗎?\n411547\t435774\t這個其實我們每一個補助的案子他都按照他的原來的進度然後有一個評審在看 有一群評審在看我想經過投審會的時間上映時間喔只有一天你有看到我的數據如果有錯你可以糾正我如果已經拍完的片都沒有人看過視片投審會怎麼決定要不要投資部長你有沒有覺得很奇怪\n439625\t460387\t其實電影這個行業政府補助電影這個行業電影基本上的變動拍完後再後製再延個半年一年它是一個變動很大的行業它不是一個你想像中可以按照你的時間剛好完成它有時候要趕上這個補助可能最後一天政府可能通融它讓它過\n461388\t487510\t因為台灣拍電影的基本上都是一些小公司然後它的資金結構也不太健全我想這點的確是我們整體生態的問題我想很辛苦這些地方的文化產業我們要支持我還是絕對支持文化部支持帶動推動我們台灣的文化內容發展但文哲院我覺得在這樣子的一個做法中一天\n487910\t488350\t人民的納稅錢可以接受嗎?\n504184\t523936\t可以啊好第二個成立南部的營運中心南部辦公室效益何在文策院在南部辦公室根據文策院所提供資料成立南部辦公室的目的是為推進台灣文化內容產業的均衡發展作為台灣產業各區中長期的發展所需資料\n524696\t549145\t我想部長這聽起來這個目標很偉大但是設一個南部辦公室在高雄那中部辦公室可能也需要喔中部辦公室中部的文化中部的產業也需要推廣也需要這麼宏大的一個目標可不可以中部也設一個這件事情我還沒有搞懂為什麼要南部設一個中部設一個這個我還沒搞懂我是不是請蔡董事長解釋蔡董事長\n551886\t563431\t我會讓他時間解釋啊但我的意思是說你要推廣文化就要在南部設立就可以推廣代表你有這麼宏大的一個目標嘛設立這個就可以推廣那中部也要啊\n564502\t593781\t那如果你說南部一個中部一個那北部一個就夠啦台北文化部就可以處理整個台灣的文化那為什麼一定要特別南部又再一個我想聽起來很偉大但是設一個辦公室到底有沒有必要性那為什麼南部辦公室要設在高雄屏東不行嗎台南不行嗎我想剛剛講的一些業務一定要專門設一個辦公室才能做這讓大家真的感受到問題在哪裡剛剛講的那些業務台北不能做\n595267\t613834\t我想部長我們看跑步影3根據合約租約從去年9月1號開始7個月過去了為什麼到現在還沒有人員進駐這個好像是文策院內部的董事會在提這個我完全不知道這件事情董事長請\n617412\t643241\t不好意思,我幫部長回答一下這是文策略內的業務南部辦公室的成立其實因為我們使用博二的共創園區二區時數還沒拿到我們還無法正式的在營業那上個月剛剛拿到了目前為止我們所編列的人員也還沒有對外正式在recruit我們只有沿用文策略內部的一名員工用最精簡的人力那未來如果委員覺得中部有可能來設辦公室我們會積極審慎的評估跟考慮\n645842\t668213\t董事長那我想請問一下租業從去年9月1號開始7個月過去了租金有算嗎?租金要算因為要裝潢阿對所以使用執照還沒有拿到嘛沒辦法進租對不對所以每月租金10萬7千100元7個月空屋擺在那國人納稅錢已經被浪費掉74萬9千700元當然我們說裝潢啦我們有沒有跟這個房東都講一個裝潢期\n670909\t697335\t正常我們都會跟房東講吧是我們各種談判跟高雄那邊文化局都有談過那事實上其實我們所談的discount是從整個的房租優惠談起啦所以你覺得這個十萬七千有優惠有優惠有優惠是470萬的裝潢費目前裝潢進入到哪目前裝潢完畢裝潢完畢了裝潢完畢好那我想死照都還沒拿到就趕裝潢萬一他沒拿到死照勒\n698956\t725204\t呃,裝潢跟正式拿到死罩應該是兩個事情了。對,但是我裝潢好以後,他如果沒死罩,我不能用啊。是。對吧?會不會就浪費錢了?應該不自由這個現象啦。我們當然是大膽的假設,小心的求證啦。我們也希望錢要花在刀口上啦。我們相信他一定拿得到死罩,但我還是合理的範圍內去推算吧。那因為現在已經拿到了,謝謝委員關心。\n726784\t727544\t再多跟委員討論好不好好\n754736\t777156\t好那最後剛剛好像有其他的委員有提到這個文學館抄襲的事件我想再一次請問一下部長請問一下最後這個館長說要負責是怎麼負責這件事情我們已經進行剛剛講說我不會這麼用這麼粗暴的語言說我要他怎樣怎樣但是我必須跟大家講我絕對不會那個\n780489\t808615\t讓這個責任只推到這個第一線的這個職員對但是我也沒辦法很粗暴的告訴你說我要換掉誰換掉誰我覺得這樣講好像只是一個誠意識之快對畢竟我我再沒有當文化部長之前我跟這個台文館也接觸過好幾年當評審我覺得裡面的很多員工都蠻優秀的所以我們我雖然知道抄襲這些事情是一個非常不應該的而且是很嚴重的但是我也不會因為這樣子就\n809659\t834684\t沒有把事情搞清楚之後做出懲處但是我答應委員我立刻會做出決定我想我不認識這個館長我跟他也沒有任何的恩怨拿下他讓他下台對我來說一點幫助也沒有我們要的也不是任何一個人下台我們要的是負起責任改善這個問題未來不要再有發聲這才是國人想看到的\n835464\t835604\t謝謝羅廷瑋委員\n","txt":"主席謝謝有請部長好有請李部長部長好你好部長那我就直接稱呼你小野部長好\n新的新政想必部長也有很多的一個報復跟施政的藍圖但是我看完今天的這個業務報告內容喔心中不免有個疑問想跟你請教一下今天的內容邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況所以今天這一場到底是文化部的報告還是李遠部長的報告還是小野部長的報告這個施政藍圖業務報告為什麼我要這樣說\n今天的書面報告裡面有高達99.1%的內容跟3月27史澤部長業務報告的內容一樣像推動台語的主流化公視兒少開台重建台灣藝術史振興出版產業\n如果這是文化部的業務報告那好像誰來做部長都差不多但如果底下因為底下的有一群職業文官會做事他們可以維持業務運作部長只是掛名那今天這個業務報告我們希望他能夠論述到是部長您未來的一個抱負跟他的一個藍圖很顯然的這份報告我看不到\n有您的概念跟未來的抱負當然有一些我有從所謂的新聞包括文化幣向下延伸這是你的一個想法我們想要認識想要了解的包括剛剛孟凱委員他也想知道金馬獎一次你的態度所以我們想更認識的是小野部長\n您個人在未來的一個想法看法以及準備要做的而不是原本3月27號本來文化部就要做的事情今天又再一次的在這邊跟我們再講一次所以部長可以談一下你心中的一個抱負跟藍圖嗎我覺得\n我心目中覺得台灣的文化包括剛剛講到因為我自己經歷過電影電視還有文學你如果要用簡單的方式講我的抱負的話我覺得台灣這個\n經過歷史的一種撞擊出來的文化我希望所有台灣人會對自己的文化感到驕傲而不是覺得很自卑要去追求韓國日本從外來的文化得到一種滋養你如果問我的抱負是這個我就只有這個抱負但是根據你剛剛講的那個業務報告的確是那我一點一點會把我想要做的事情再慢慢讓大家知道\n好,上任才兩天嘛當然我們不能怪你但是我要講的就是說文化部我們認識了因為這幾個月我們都在了解但如果這份報告裡面有太少有關於您未來想做的我覺得那我們就沒有必要去再做這麼多的一個溝通了但因為我就是跟以往的時政部長都差不多嘛那所以包括剛剛我覺得聽到你這樣講\n你是一個廣義的一個創作家算是一個創作家所以對黃牛我也很重視所以我更希望包括剛剛你說一個月份可以看到書面報告黃牛的處理方法這部分我也想要了解也麻煩你讓我也知道會後的相關資料\n那之前我也有在這裡諮詢過包括我們企業應該要協助不管是繪本也好或者是相關的文化產業也罷我在這邊提到我們的孩子接觸到的是國外的繪本國外的卡通國外的電影\n所以我在這邊也提過包括我們最近孩子一直在接觸到的蘑菇蘑菇這一類的在地的影音繪本我們能夠加強所以我也希望你的態度展現出來未來能夠在這個文化部分能夠給予企業更多的鼓勵更多的一些獎勵鼓勵他們要來幫助我們在地的文化產業這部分我有聽到你剛剛的回答我感覺到有點欣慰我們也希望能夠看到實際的作為但是我還是要跟你說文化部\n投資都慘賠拒絕國發基金當成文化部的小金庫這件事情你有掌握到嗎我想我稍微知道我想專案投資73案投資的績效超級差扣掉民間投資的錢全部都賠償這些都是國人納稅錢幾乎都賠千萬以上我舉幾個例子有賠823萬有賠897萬\n有賠1437萬有賠1782萬1782萬還不是賠最多的本席留一點面子給文化部給部長不要點破專案投資是文化部所獨有的一個政策這沒有什麼不好我們支持也支持要振興地方的產業我們台灣的文化但是我們要防止他濫用我還是要再說一次投資有賺有賠但是每一個案子都是慘賠\n我們就會擔心會不會有濫用的問題之前時哲部長回覆我一個電影跟IP作品的發行他的回收時間是長的部長時哲部長根本是鬼扯以電影來說票房還是最重要的數據難道不是嗎部長是我想不是請不然請部長能夠舉出電影票房不好但總回收很好的電影嗎你有想像到嗎\n那我想部長殺青是什麼意思?\n我們有殺青的時間跟通過投審會的時間以及電影上映的時間已經拍完的片子國發基金投資的決策邏輯是什麼?文化部過投審會有人看過飾片嗎?\n這個其實我們每一個補助的案子他都按照他的原來的進度然後有一個評審在看 有一群評審在看我想經過投審會的時間上映時間喔只有一天你有看到我的數據如果有錯你可以糾正我如果已經拍完的片都沒有人看過視片投審會怎麼決定要不要投資部長你有沒有覺得很奇怪\n其實電影這個行業政府補助電影這個行業電影基本上的變動拍完後再後製再延個半年一年它是一個變動很大的行業它不是一個你想像中可以按照你的時間剛好完成它有時候要趕上這個補助可能最後一天政府可能通融它讓它過\n因為台灣拍電影的基本上都是一些小公司然後它的資金結構也不太健全我想這點的確是我們整體生態的問題我想很辛苦這些地方的文化產業我們要支持我還是絕對支持文化部支持帶動推動我們台灣的文化內容發展但文哲院我覺得在這樣子的一個做法中一天\n人民的納稅錢可以接受嗎?\n可以啊好第二個成立南部的營運中心南部辦公室效益何在文策院在南部辦公室根據文策院所提供資料成立南部辦公室的目的是為推進台灣文化內容產業的均衡發展作為台灣產業各區中長期的發展所需資料\n我想部長這聽起來這個目標很偉大但是設一個南部辦公室在高雄那中部辦公室可能也需要喔中部辦公室中部的文化中部的產業也需要推廣也需要這麼宏大的一個目標可不可以中部也設一個這件事情我還沒有搞懂為什麼要南部設一個中部設一個這個我還沒搞懂我是不是請蔡董事長解釋蔡董事長\n我會讓他時間解釋啊但我的意思是說你要推廣文化就要在南部設立就可以推廣代表你有這麼宏大的一個目標嘛設立這個就可以推廣那中部也要啊\n那如果你說南部一個中部一個那北部一個就夠啦台北文化部就可以處理整個台灣的文化那為什麼一定要特別南部又再一個我想聽起來很偉大但是設一個辦公室到底有沒有必要性那為什麼南部辦公室要設在高雄屏東不行嗎台南不行嗎我想剛剛講的一些業務一定要專門設一個辦公室才能做這讓大家真的感受到問題在哪裡剛剛講的那些業務台北不能做\n我想部長我們看跑步影3根據合約租約從去年9月1號開始7個月過去了為什麼到現在還沒有人員進駐這個好像是文策院內部的董事會在提這個我完全不知道這件事情董事長請\n不好意思,我幫部長回答一下這是文策略內的業務南部辦公室的成立其實因為我們使用博二的共創園區二區時數還沒拿到我們還無法正式的在營業那上個月剛剛拿到了目前為止我們所編列的人員也還沒有對外正式在recruit我們只有沿用文策略內部的一名員工用最精簡的人力那未來如果委員覺得中部有可能來設辦公室我們會積極審慎的評估跟考慮\n董事長那我想請問一下租業從去年9月1號開始7個月過去了租金有算嗎?租金要算因為要裝潢阿對所以使用執照還沒有拿到嘛沒辦法進租對不對所以每月租金10萬7千100元7個月空屋擺在那國人納稅錢已經被浪費掉74萬9千700元當然我們說裝潢啦我們有沒有跟這個房東都講一個裝潢期\n正常我們都會跟房東講吧是我們各種談判跟高雄那邊文化局都有談過那事實上其實我們所談的discount是從整個的房租優惠談起啦所以你覺得這個十萬七千有優惠有優惠有優惠是470萬的裝潢費目前裝潢進入到哪目前裝潢完畢裝潢完畢了裝潢完畢好那我想死照都還沒拿到就趕裝潢萬一他沒拿到死照勒\n呃,裝潢跟正式拿到死罩應該是兩個事情了。對,但是我裝潢好以後,他如果沒死罩,我不能用啊。是。對吧?會不會就浪費錢了?應該不自由這個現象啦。我們當然是大膽的假設,小心的求證啦。我們也希望錢要花在刀口上啦。我們相信他一定拿得到死罩,但我還是合理的範圍內去推算吧。那因為現在已經拿到了,謝謝委員關心。\n再多跟委員討論好不好好\n好那最後剛剛好像有其他的委員有提到這個文學館抄襲的事件我想再一次請問一下部長請問一下最後這個館長說要負責是怎麼負責這件事情我們已經進行剛剛講說我不會這麼用這麼粗暴的語言說我要他怎樣怎樣但是我必須跟大家講我絕對不會那個\n讓這個責任只推到這個第一線的這個職員對但是我也沒辦法很粗暴的告訴你說我要換掉誰換掉誰我覺得這樣講好像只是一個誠意識之快對畢竟我我再沒有當文化部長之前我跟這個台文館也接觸過好幾年當評審我覺得裡面的很多員工都蠻優秀的所以我們我雖然知道抄襲這些事情是一個非常不應該的而且是很嚴重的但是我也不會因為這樣子就\n沒有把事情搞清楚之後做出懲處但是我答應委員我立刻會做出決定我想我不認識這個館長我跟他也沒有任何的恩怨拿下他讓他下台對我來說一點幫助也沒有我們要的也不是任何一個人下台我們要的是負起責任改善這個問題未來不要再有發聲這才是國人想看到的\n謝謝羅廷瑋委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.786 --> 00:11.028\n主席謝謝有請部長好有請李部長部長好你好部長那我就直接稱呼你小野部長好\n\n00:22.862 --> 00:49.181\n新的新政想必部長也有很多的一個報復跟施政的藍圖但是我看完今天的這個業務報告內容喔心中不免有個疑問想跟你請教一下今天的內容邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況所以今天這一場到底是文化部的報告還是李遠部長的報告還是小野部長的報告這個施政藍圖業務報告為什麼我要這樣說\n\n00:51.883 --> 01:09.840\n今天的書面報告裡面有高達99.1%的內容跟3月27史澤部長業務報告的內容一樣像推動台語的主流化公視兒少開台重建台灣藝術史振興出版產業\n\n01:11.383 --> 01:34.349\n如果這是文化部的業務報告那好像誰來做部長都差不多但如果底下因為底下的有一群職業文官會做事他們可以維持業務運作部長只是掛名那今天這個業務報告我們希望他能夠論述到是部長您未來的一個抱負跟他的一個藍圖很顯然的這份報告我看不到\n\n01:35.373 --> 01:55.148\n有您的概念跟未來的抱負當然有一些我有從所謂的新聞包括文化幣向下延伸這是你的一個想法我們想要認識想要了解的包括剛剛孟凱委員他也想知道金馬獎一次你的態度所以我們想更認識的是小野部長\n\n01:55.928 --> 02:11.765\n您個人在未來的一個想法看法以及準備要做的而不是原本3月27號本來文化部就要做的事情今天又再一次的在這邊跟我們再講一次所以部長可以談一下你心中的一個抱負跟藍圖嗎我覺得\n\n02:15.799 --> 02:25.971\n我心目中覺得台灣的文化包括剛剛講到因為我自己經歷過電影電視還有文學你如果要用簡單的方式講我的抱負的話我覺得台灣這個\n\n02:29.912 --> 02:55.365\n經過歷史的一種撞擊出來的文化我希望所有台灣人會對自己的文化感到驕傲而不是覺得很自卑要去追求韓國日本從外來的文化得到一種滋養你如果問我的抱負是這個我就只有這個抱負但是根據你剛剛講的那個業務報告的確是那我一點一點會把我想要做的事情再慢慢讓大家知道\n\n02:57.159 --> 03:23.068\n好,上任才兩天嘛當然我們不能怪你但是我要講的就是說文化部我們認識了因為這幾個月我們都在了解但如果這份報告裡面有太少有關於您未來想做的我覺得那我們就沒有必要去再做這麼多的一個溝通了但因為我就是跟以往的時政部長都差不多嘛那所以包括剛剛我覺得聽到你這樣講\n\n03:25.019 --> 03:40.627\n你是一個廣義的一個創作家算是一個創作家所以對黃牛我也很重視所以我更希望包括剛剛你說一個月份可以看到書面報告黃牛的處理方法這部分我也想要了解也麻煩你讓我也知道會後的相關資料\n\n03:42.168 --> 04:00.355\n那之前我也有在這裡諮詢過包括我們企業應該要協助不管是繪本也好或者是相關的文化產業也罷我在這邊提到我們的孩子接觸到的是國外的繪本國外的卡通國外的電影\n\n04:01.195 --> 04:30.165\n所以我在這邊也提過包括我們最近孩子一直在接觸到的蘑菇蘑菇這一類的在地的影音繪本我們能夠加強所以我也希望你的態度展現出來未來能夠在這個文化部分能夠給予企業更多的鼓勵更多的一些獎勵鼓勵他們要來幫助我們在地的文化產業這部分我有聽到你剛剛的回答我感覺到有點欣慰我們也希望能夠看到實際的作為但是我還是要跟你說文化部\n\n04:31.325 --> 04:53.155\n投資都慘賠拒絕國發基金當成文化部的小金庫這件事情你有掌握到嗎我想我稍微知道我想專案投資73案投資的績效超級差扣掉民間投資的錢全部都賠償這些都是國人納稅錢幾乎都賠千萬以上我舉幾個例子有賠823萬有賠897萬\n\n04:57.864 --> 05:23.260\n有賠1437萬有賠1782萬1782萬還不是賠最多的本席留一點面子給文化部給部長不要點破專案投資是文化部所獨有的一個政策這沒有什麼不好我們支持也支持要振興地方的產業我們台灣的文化但是我們要防止他濫用我還是要再說一次投資有賺有賠但是每一個案子都是慘賠\n\n05:24.801 --> 05:49.543\n我們就會擔心會不會有濫用的問題之前時哲部長回覆我一個電影跟IP作品的發行他的回收時間是長的部長時哲部長根本是鬼扯以電影來說票房還是最重要的數據難道不是嗎部長是我想不是請不然請部長能夠舉出電影票房不好但總回收很好的電影嗎你有想像到嗎\n\n05:52.099 --> 05:54.981\n那我想部長殺青是什麼意思?\n\n06:19.932 --> 06:22.433\n我們有殺青的時間跟通過投審會的時間以及電影上映的時間已經拍完的片子國發基金投資的決策邏輯是什麼?文化部過投審會有人看過飾片嗎?\n\n06:51.547 --> 07:15.774\n這個其實我們每一個補助的案子他都按照他的原來的進度然後有一個評審在看有一群評審在看我想經過投審會的時間上映時間喔只有一天你有看到我的數據如果有錯你可以糾正我如果已經拍完的片都沒有人看過視片投審會怎麼決定要不要投資部長你有沒有覺得很奇怪\n\n07:19.625 --> 07:40.387\n其實電影這個行業政府補助電影這個行業電影基本上的變動拍完後再後製再延個半年一年它是一個變動很大的行業它不是一個你想像中可以按照你的時間剛好完成它有時候要趕上這個補助可能最後一天政府可能通融它讓它過\n\n07:41.388 --> 08:07.510\n因為台灣拍電影的基本上都是一些小公司然後它的資金結構也不太健全我想這點的確是我們整體生態的問題我想很辛苦這些地方的文化產業我們要支持我還是絕對支持文化部支持帶動推動我們台灣的文化內容發展但文哲院我覺得在這樣子的一個做法中一天\n\n08:07.910 --> 08:08.350\n人民的納稅錢可以接受嗎?\n\n08:24.184 --> 08:43.936\n可以啊好第二個成立南部的營運中心南部辦公室效益何在文策院在南部辦公室根據文策院所提供資料成立南部辦公室的目的是為推進台灣文化內容產業的均衡發展作為台灣產業各區中長期的發展所需資料\n\n08:44.696 --> 09:09.145\n我想部長這聽起來這個目標很偉大但是設一個南部辦公室在高雄那中部辦公室可能也需要喔中部辦公室中部的文化中部的產業也需要推廣也需要這麼宏大的一個目標可不可以中部也設一個這件事情我還沒有搞懂為什麼要南部設一個中部設一個這個我還沒搞懂我是不是請蔡董事長解釋蔡董事長\n\n09:11.886 --> 09:23.431\n我會讓他時間解釋啊但我的意思是說你要推廣文化就要在南部設立就可以推廣代表你有這麼宏大的一個目標嘛設立這個就可以推廣那中部也要啊\n\n09:24.502 --> 09:53.781\n那如果你說南部一個中部一個那北部一個就夠啦台北文化部就可以處理整個台灣的文化那為什麼一定要特別南部又再一個我想聽起來很偉大但是設一個辦公室到底有沒有必要性那為什麼南部辦公室要設在高雄屏東不行嗎台南不行嗎我想剛剛講的一些業務一定要專門設一個辦公室才能做這讓大家真的感受到問題在哪裡剛剛講的那些業務台北不能做\n\n09:55.267 --> 10:13.834\n我想部長我們看跑步影3根據合約租約從去年9月1號開始7個月過去了為什麼到現在還沒有人員進駐這個好像是文策院內部的董事會在提這個我完全不知道這件事情董事長請\n\n10:17.412 --> 10:43.241\n不好意思,我幫部長回答一下這是文策略內的業務南部辦公室的成立其實因為我們使用博二的共創園區二區時數還沒拿到我們還無法正式的在營業那上個月剛剛拿到了目前為止我們所編列的人員也還沒有對外正式在recruit我們只有沿用文策略內部的一名員工用最精簡的人力那未來如果委員覺得中部有可能來設辦公室我們會積極審慎的評估跟考慮\n\n10:45.842 --> 11:08.213\n董事長那我想請問一下租業從去年9月1號開始7個月過去了租金有算嗎?租金要算因為要裝潢阿對所以使用執照還沒有拿到嘛沒辦法進租對不對所以每月租金10萬7千100元7個月空屋擺在那國人納稅錢已經被浪費掉74萬9千700元當然我們說裝潢啦我們有沒有跟這個房東都講一個裝潢期\n\n11:10.909 --> 11:37.335\n正常我們都會跟房東講吧是我們各種談判跟高雄那邊文化局都有談過那事實上其實我們所談的discount是從整個的房租優惠談起啦所以你覺得這個十萬七千有優惠有優惠有優惠是470萬的裝潢費目前裝潢進入到哪目前裝潢完畢裝潢完畢了裝潢完畢好那我想死照都還沒拿到就趕裝潢萬一他沒拿到死照勒\n\n11:38.956 --> 12:05.204\n呃,裝潢跟正式拿到死罩應該是兩個事情了。對,但是我裝潢好以後,他如果沒死罩,我不能用啊。是。對吧?會不會就浪費錢了?應該不自由這個現象啦。我們當然是大膽的假設,小心的求證啦。我們也希望錢要花在刀口上啦。我們相信他一定拿得到死罩,但我還是合理的範圍內去推算吧。那因為現在已經拿到了,謝謝委員關心。\n\n12:06.784 --> 12:07.544\n再多跟委員討論好不好好\n\n12:34.736 --> 12:57.156\n好那最後剛剛好像有其他的委員有提到這個文學館抄襲的事件我想再一次請問一下部長請問一下最後這個館長說要負責是怎麼負責這件事情我們已經進行剛剛講說我不會這麼用這麼粗暴的語言說我要他怎樣怎樣但是我必須跟大家講我絕對不會那個\n\n13:00.489 --> 13:28.615\n讓這個責任只推到這個第一線的這個職員對但是我也沒辦法很粗暴的告訴你說我要換掉誰換掉誰我覺得這樣講好像只是一個誠意識之快對畢竟我我再沒有當文化部長之前我跟這個台文館也接觸過好幾年當評審我覺得裡面的很多員工都蠻優秀的所以我們我雖然知道抄襲這些事情是一個非常不應該的而且是很嚴重的但是我也不會因為這樣子就\n\n13:29.659 --> 13:54.684\n沒有把事情搞清楚之後做出懲處但是我答應委員我立刻會做出決定我想我不認識這個館長我跟他也沒有任何的恩怨拿下他讓他下台對我來說一點幫助也沒有我們要的也不是任何一個人下台我們要的是負起責任改善這個問題未來不要再有發聲這才是國人想看到的\n\n13:55.464 --> 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