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00:00:54,186\n因為昨天本來安排但是我們突然昨天才要安排因為我520上任那整天整天都在我現在講的是你是4月底公布的那5月初距離這一段時間這麼長的時間召委沒有拜訪那其他的委員也沒有拜訪其他我們都是安排在上任以後才開始拜訪\n\n3\n00:00:55,507 --> 00:01:19,432\n我覺得是這樣子可能你的幕僚有稍嫌不足稍嫌不足其實我也是第一次才看到你我看我挑了這張照片這張照片非常的帥謝謝我沒有同感我還挑了一張最帥的所以說主委我想就是幕僚的一個加強這個是非常需要的因為\n\n4\n00:01:20,987 --> 00:01:21,007\n賴惠員\n\n5\n00:01:52,349 --> 00:02:11,930\n這些你跟業界的關聯性互動這麼直接在未來會不會有業界的一個壓力呢?我想這應該是不會有這個問題因為其實站在一個行政機關依法行政我想這部分因為我現在擔任金管會的角色我就一定全力做好這個分際\n\n6\n00:02:13,206 --> 00:02:33,376\n當然你非常有自信嘛那可是這三家保險公司其實他們都面臨到了一個就是說財務那個他的財務指標一直拉警報那這樣子你怎麼樣就是處理這三家保險公司的增資的一個問題怎麼解決他呢\n\n7\n00:02:34,235 --> 00:02:34,255\n賴惠員\n\n8\n00:02:52,145 --> 00:03:16,253\n在這段時間你沒有來拜訪我們嘛所以就是說你應該也有很多這些業界就是不管那個中興保險公司還是整個宏泰宏泰人壽現在面臨到非常大的一個財務指標的一個困境那你沒有想到如果是利用政治的問題怎麼樣來解決這三家保險公司因為保險是你的內行啊有沒有想過這樣的一個問題\n\n9\n00:03:17,193 --> 00:03:30,824\n就是剛才委員那個指教這三家公司我想鴻泰他現在應該是我們資本氏族應該是達標的公司是那剛才就是委員提到就是新光他指教了達標喔是那你也知道他其實有很大的一個困難點喔\n\n10\n00:03:32,358 --> 00:03:47,159\n所以我們都會密切關注因為我們大概每半年會去按照依法會檢視他的資本市足率那目前就剛剛那個宏泰他是符合我們的規定那當然後面這兩家確實是他現在還在按照我們的增資計畫在進行中\n\n11\n00:03:49,676 --> 00:04:13,785\n是是所以就是說在這裡特別跟主委做一個提醒這三家保險公司跟主委的一個曾經曾經的一個互動是這麼緊密的在未來我們也知道說主委他你的支持你的一個態度你是希望外匯資產負債的一個不配\n\n12\n00:04:14,505 --> 00:04:40,541\n不配備這個是你的一個態度嘛那我們當然希望就是說這個慢慢以後有很多的一個議題大家可以共同的一個討論到底台灣的一個資金是要拿到海外去投資還是我們有沒有辦法成功的把海外的資金拿回來投資我們本體我們台灣自己的一個產業我們台灣的一個非常多的一個產業是非常好的\n\n13\n00:04:41,021 --> 00:05:04,896\n那這個有賴於就是說主委你個人對於這個整個就是我們國家的一個標的那這個是大家必須要透過不同的一個問題慢慢的來探討的是特別提醒你啊因為我想就是說在於你的一個專業裡頭那就是保險當然是沒有問題那你可以就是說迎刃而解\n\n14\n00:05:05,456 --> 00:05:32,993\n可是面對金融的一個現狀我們當然希望主委你是準備好了那在這裡再特別跟主委再請教一下沿用上個委員沿寬衡委員的一個議題就是說這個主任公司的一個問題那如果我從你的一個報告裡頭我想這個對於融資的主任公司你還是把這個爭議你還是把它丟給就是\n\n15\n00:05:33,894 --> 00:05:47,693\n就是櫃買中心還是證交所去解決這些問題如果這些問題可以透過這兩個單位解決的話我相信不用很多很多的委員不斷的一直在提醒你\n\n16\n00:05:49,286 --> 00:06:10,955\n這個是一個非常大的一個問題主委你看過這個三道猴子這塊片子嗎我有聽過你有聽過那你的幕僚沒有給你看這個其實是存在當今社會很多很多的一個問題住院公司他透過一個不正常的一個管道你看喔他\n\n17\n00:06:11,895 --> 00:06:11,915\n賴惠員\n\n18\n00:06:33,231 --> 00:06:44,132\n他通通都能做那你怎麼辦啊你要知道這個到最後到最後如果他倒了是誰他掛掉了是誰要去承擔這個後果\n\n19\n00:06:46,065 --> 00:07:04,501\n當然是簽名買單啊那為什麼我們一再的一再的在提醒就是這麼大的一個問題那你們都沒有去考慮到啦就是說從你的報告裡頭你也把這個爭議的一個處理的事情你顯然也是輕輕的一個帶過我覺得這一個態度是讓我覺得\n\n20\n00:07:07,643 --> 00:07:35,333\n要特別再提醒主委你一定要去小心這一個議題這個議題是存在了非常大的一個社會的一個治安我們未來的未來的一個金融管理的一個很大的一個問題尤其這個中豬啊他借了公股1359億前進到中國他的高研製力非常嚴重未來他勢必會影響到我們金融的穩定性這從\n\n21\n00:07:37,154 --> 00:07:55,155\n三個月前到三個月後我們甚至看到了它的研製力越來越高所以你勢必勢必一定要去重視這些問題是不知道主委你怎麼看待這個事勒其實剛剛跟委員報告一些就是說我們對融資公司我們確實是寄予高度的這個注意啦\n\n22\n00:07:55,795 --> 00:08:20,714\n我剛才也有報告過就是說雖然說現在看起來我們現在沒有專法但是我們已經有各種的管控措施在管控當然現在假設執行成效不如外界的預期我們會來加強處理那我剛才提到就是說我們也在收集各國對融資公司管理的這個內涵我們也考慮去研議未來的這個是否有要以專法來管理的可能性\n\n23\n00:08:21,820 --> 00:08:40,189\n主委我們期待你是用一個專法來管理他而不是用一個行政的一個手段光是行政的一個手段顯然是不足以應付這個怪獸了所以就是說你必須要去探討我們也希望就是說你把一些相關性的一些\n\n24\n00:08:40,969 --> 00:09:04,447\n這個在網路上就是一直在流通的這一些真的就是呈現出來住院公司禍害這麼多的一個年輕人還有這麼多一個需要資金的人這些狀況你快速的把它瀏覽過你才知道這個沒有誇張這個真的是呈現在我們四周圍我們的服務處不斷的接到了就是這個本席來自於一個農業的一個選區裡頭當你看到\n\n25\n00:09:08,050 --> 00:09:08,070\n賴惠員\n\n26\n00:09:23,035 --> 00:09:24,356\n為什麼你們一直不重視這個問題?你們到底在怕什麼呢?\n\n27\n00:09:39,691 --> 00:10:06,780\n其實我們是很重視只是說方法上面我們會來持續在思考有什麼更好的方法是主委我們希望就是說你用更好的一個行政方式用更好的一個專法然後來約束顯然他已經從公股銀行搬了這麼多的一個錢這個是我們查得到的還有更多是我們查不到的我相信就是說你們看整體的一個財務報表你們會比我們更清楚啊這個還是我們\n\n28\n00:10:07,741 --> 00:10:15,540\n只是靠助理從網路上搜尋下來的我相信在業界一定有更深的一個了解\n\n29\n00:10:16,636 --> 00:10:38,586\n主委我們對你期待非常高我們對你有很大的一個驅喜那我們希望就是說金管會在未來其實是一個行政團隊最大最大的一個亮點我們不希望就是說一直在喊金融科技其實這個金融科技已經喊太久了\n\n30\n00:10:39,366 --> 00:11:01,099\n其實某種程度也是監管套利我們希望就是說我們期待這個主委他有更高的一個亮點有更好的一個未來那可以帶領我們臺灣的一個經濟走向一個更好的未來這個是那個中心對主委的一個驅喜趕快來拜訪那個兩位召委謝謝來委員的勉勵謝謝我們一定趕快補上謝謝好謝謝\n\n31\n00:11:09,093 --> 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一個需要資金的人這些狀況你快速的把它瀏覽過你才知道這個沒有誇張這個真的是呈現在我們四周圍我們的服務處不斷的接到了就是這個本席來自於一個農業的一個選區裡頭當你看到\n賴惠員\n為什麼你們一直不重視這個問題?你們到底在怕什麼呢?\n其實我們是很重視只是說方法上面我們會來持續在思考有什麼更好的方法是主委我們希望就是說你用更好的一個行政方式用更好的一個專法然後來約束顯然他已經從公股銀行搬了這麼多的一個錢這個是我們查得到的還有更多是我們查不到的我相信就是說你們看整體的一個財務報表你們會比我們更清楚啊這個還是我們\n只是靠助理從網路上搜尋下來的我相信在業界一定有更深的一個了解\n主委我們對你期待非常高我們對你有很大的一個驅喜那我們希望就是說金管會在未來其實是一個行政團隊最大最大的一個亮點我們不希望就是說一直在喊金融科技其實這個金融科技已經喊太久了\n其實某種程度也是監管套利我們希望就是說我們期待這個主委他有更高的一個亮點有更好的一個未來那可以帶領我們臺灣的一個經濟走向一個更好的未來這個是那個中心對主委的一個驅喜趕快來拜訪那個兩位召委謝謝來委員的勉勵謝謝我們一定趕快補上謝謝好謝謝\n有需要的話也請賴委員一起齁我們就來做一個親\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.169 --> 00:28.908\n有請金管會主委請彭主委主委早安主委是非常歡迎那我們一起為國家來努力那在這裡我想就是跟你請教一下那個你的人事的一個公布是在4月底5月初嘛對不對是那你拜訪過我們羅明財召委的嗎\n\n00:29.894 --> 00:54.186\n因為昨天本來安排但是我們突然昨天才要安排因為我520上任那整天整天都在我現在講的是你是4月底公布的那5月初距離這一段時間這麼長的時間召委沒有拜訪那其他的委員也沒有拜訪其他我們都是安排在上任以後才開始拜訪\n\n00:55.507 --> 01:19.432\n我覺得是這樣子可能你的幕僚有稍嫌不足稍嫌不足其實我也是第一次才看到你我看我挑了這張照片這張照片非常的帥謝謝我沒有同感我還挑了一張最帥的所以說主委我想就是幕僚的一個加強這個是非常需要的因為\n\n01:20.987 --> 01:21.007\n賴惠員\n\n01:52.349 --> 02:11.930\n這些你跟業界的關聯性互動這麼直接在未來會不會有業界的一個壓力呢?我想這應該是不會有這個問題因為其實站在一個行政機關依法行政我想這部分因為我現在擔任金管會的角色我就一定全力做好這個分際\n\n02:13.206 --> 02:33.376\n當然你非常有自信嘛那可是這三家保險公司其實他們都面臨到了一個就是說財務那個他的財務指標一直拉警報那這樣子你怎麼樣就是處理這三家保險公司的增資的一個問題怎麼解決他呢\n\n02:34.235 --> 02:34.255\n賴惠員\n\n02:52.145 --> 03:16.253\n在這段時間你沒有來拜訪我們嘛所以就是說你應該也有很多這些業界就是不管那個中興保險公司還是整個宏泰宏泰人壽現在面臨到非常大的一個財務指標的一個困境那你沒有想到如果是利用政治的問題怎麼樣來解決這三家保險公司因為保險是你的內行啊有沒有想過這樣的一個問題\n\n03:17.193 --> 03:30.824\n就是剛才委員那個指教這三家公司我想鴻泰他現在應該是我們資本氏族應該是達標的公司是那剛才就是委員提到就是新光他指教了達標喔是那你也知道他其實有很大的一個困難點喔\n\n03:32.358 --> 03:47.159\n所以我們都會密切關注因為我們大概每半年會去按照依法會檢視他的資本市足率那目前就剛剛那個宏泰他是符合我們的規定那當然後面這兩家確實是他現在還在按照我們的增資計畫在進行中\n\n03:49.676 --> 04:13.785\n是是所以就是說在這裡特別跟主委做一個提醒這三家保險公司跟主委的一個曾經曾經的一個互動是這麼緊密的在未來我們也知道說主委他你的支持你的一個態度你是希望外匯資產負債的一個不配\n\n04:14.505 --> 04:40.541\n不配備這個是你的一個態度嘛那我們當然希望就是說這個慢慢以後有很多的一個議題大家可以共同的一個討論到底台灣的一個資金是要拿到海外去投資還是我們有沒有辦法成功的把海外的資金拿回來投資我們本體我們台灣自己的一個產業我們台灣的一個非常多的一個產業是非常好的\n\n04:41.021 --> 05:04.896\n那這個有賴於就是說主委你個人對於這個整個就是我們國家的一個標的那這個是大家必須要透過不同的一個問題慢慢的來探討的是特別提醒你啊因為我想就是說在於你的一個專業裡頭那就是保險當然是沒有問題那你可以就是說迎刃而解\n\n05:05.456 --> 05:32.993\n可是面對金融的一個現狀我們當然希望主委你是準備好了那在這裡再特別跟主委再請教一下沿用上個委員沿寬衡委員的一個議題就是說這個主任公司的一個問題那如果我從你的一個報告裡頭我想這個對於融資的主任公司你還是把這個爭議你還是把它丟給就是\n\n05:33.894 --> 05:47.693\n就是櫃買中心還是證交所去解決這些問題如果這些問題可以透過這兩個單位解決的話我相信不用很多很多的委員不斷的一直在提醒你\n\n05:49.286 --> 06:10.955\n這個是一個非常大的一個問題主委你看過這個三道猴子這塊片子嗎我有聽過你有聽過那你的幕僚沒有給你看這個其實是存在當今社會很多很多的一個問題住院公司他透過一個不正常的一個管道你看喔他\n\n06:11.895 --> 06:11.915\n賴惠員\n\n06:33.231 --> 06:44.132\n他通通都能做那你怎麼辦啊你要知道這個到最後到最後如果他倒了是誰他掛掉了是誰要去承擔這個後果\n\n06:46.065 --> 07:04.501\n當然是簽名買單啊那為什麼我們一再的一再的在提醒就是這麼大的一個問題那你們都沒有去考慮到啦就是說從你的報告裡頭你也把這個爭議的一個處理的事情你顯然也是輕輕的一個帶過我覺得這一個態度是讓我覺得\n\n07:07.643 --> 07:35.333\n要特別再提醒主委你一定要去小心這一個議題這個議題是存在了非常大的一個社會的一個治安我們未來的未來的一個金融管理的一個很大的一個問題尤其這個中豬啊他借了公股1359億前進到中國他的高研製力非常嚴重未來他勢必會影響到我們金融的穩定性這從\n\n07:37.154 --> 07:55.155\n三個月前到三個月後我們甚至看到了它的研製力越來越高所以你勢必勢必一定要去重視這些問題是不知道主委你怎麼看待這個事勒其實剛剛跟委員報告一些就是說我們對融資公司我們確實是寄予高度的這個注意啦\n\n07:55.795 --> 08:20.714\n我剛才也有報告過就是說雖然說現在看起來我們現在沒有專法但是我們已經有各種的管控措施在管控當然現在假設執行成效不如外界的預期我們會來加強處理那我剛才提到就是說我們也在收集各國對融資公司管理的這個內涵我們也考慮去研議未來的這個是否有要以專法來管理的可能性\n\n08:21.820 --> 08:40.189\n主委我們期待你是用一個專法來管理他而不是用一個行政的一個手段光是行政的一個手段顯然是不足以應付這個怪獸了所以就是說你必須要去探討我們也希望就是說你把一些相關性的一些\n\n08:40.969 --> 09:04.447\n這個在網路上就是一直在流通的這一些真的就是呈現出來住院公司禍害這麼多的一個年輕人還有這麼多一個需要資金的人這些狀況你快速的把它瀏覽過你才知道這個沒有誇張這個真的是呈現在我們四周圍我們的服務處不斷的接到了就是這個本席來自於一個農業的一個選區裡頭當你看到\n\n09:08.050 --> 09:08.070\n賴惠員\n\n09:23.035 --> 09:24.356\n為什麼你們一直不重視這個問題?你們到底在怕什麼呢?\n\n09:39.691 --> 10:06.780\n其實我們是很重視只是說方法上面我們會來持續在思考有什麼更好的方法是主委我們希望就是說你用更好的一個行政方式用更好的一個專法然後來約束顯然他已經從公股銀行搬了這麼多的一個錢這個是我們查得到的還有更多是我們查不到的我相信就是說你們看整體的一個財務報表你們會比我們更清楚啊這個還是我們\n\n10:07.741 --> 10:15.540\n只是靠助理從網路上搜尋下來的我相信在業界一定有更深的一個了解\n\n10:16.636 --> 10:38.586\n主委我們對你期待非常高我們對你有很大的一個驅喜那我們希望就是說金管會在未來其實是一個行政團隊最大最大的一個亮點我們不希望就是說一直在喊金融科技其實這個金融科技已經喊太久了\n\n10:39.366 --> 11:01.099\n其實某種程度也是監管套利我們希望就是說我們期待這個主委他有更高的一個亮點有更好的一個未來那可以帶領我們臺灣的一個經濟走向一個更好的未來這個是那個中心對主委的一個驅喜趕快來拜訪那個兩位召委謝謝來委員的勉勵謝謝我們一定趕快補上謝謝好謝謝\n\n11:09.093 --> 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