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00:00:36,969\n高副主委今天我們處理的是外國專業人才延攬及僱用法那剛剛我看到了前面的委員這個楊秋英委員其實對你的一些答覆有段時間其實並不是很滿意的那你會擔心這樣的答覆狀況不滿意的狀況像未來如果藐視國會法通過了之後會不會影響到你的答詢你會不會擔心觸犯到所謂的藐視國會法\n\n3\n00:00:39,892 --> 00:00:45,896\n你會擔心?會不會擔心?說實話會不會擔心?包括有可能司長、處長甚至科長都可能被叫上來被詢問到,那你聽不聽他們感到擔心?\n\n4\n00:01:09,552 --> 00:01:30,001\n賴瑞隆法如果國會的多數就是認為你賴瑞隆在法律的條文界定裡面認為只要你有賴瑞隆的行為的話他們認定的就是賴瑞隆三年以下有期徒刑我想就我們公務員來說我們會希望這個法會定的更明確而不是讓公務員所以高副主委誠實的回答會不會擔心\n\n5\n00:01:31,121 --> 00:01:34,306\n如果照這樣的話會不會擔心同仁們有擔憂?同仁會不會擔憂你認為?同仁會不會有點擔憂?\n\n6\n00:01:46,582 --> 00:01:46,782\n賴瑞隆\n\n7\n00:02:11,204 --> 00:02:34,583\n我的意思是說在這樣狀況下的話再回來談好了外國專業人才僱用法我們要邀請更多外國優秀人才來到台灣的時候而將來在這樣的一個立法院可以要求他來的時候如果他沒有來或者是沒有照實來提供有可能罰一萬以上十萬以下的罰還甚至連續罰對於延攬外國專業人才這樣子會不會產生另外一種負面的壓力會不會\n\n8\n00:02:36,830 --> 00:03:00,503\n發言委員麻煩再說一次我剛剛有點失聲就是說如果這個藐視國會法通過了啦齁通過以後的話外國專業人才要來到台灣的時候齁他有可能在被立法院要求要來做說明或來調查的時候沒有的時候或者是有相關可能被處以一萬以上十萬以下的罰環而且連續罰這樣會不會影響到外國人來到台灣的一個意願會不會\n\n9\n00:03:02,646 --> 00:03:02,967\n賴瑞隆\n\n10\n00:03:17,486 --> 00:03:40,882\n我們看香港的狀況嘛,香港整個是做了一些限縮之後,其實不只外資討嘛,連外很多人員也都離開了嘛,因為他限制。當國會用這麼強的一個強度去約束人民,我要求你要來做一些說明跟調查的時候,如果你不來或者什麼的話,我會給你罰還。官員是有可能被犯三零下徒刑,但是這個人員的話是會被罰還,而且連續罰,罰到你來為止。這個會不會產生壓力嗎?你認為不會產生壓力嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:47,906 --> 00:03:48,486\n所以我說的說是\n\n12\n00:04:07,071 --> 00:04:08,052\n副主委同不同意這樣的看法?\n\n13\n00:04:32,504 --> 00:04:32,825\n國發會或世衛服務評估\n\n14\n00:04:51,910 --> 00:05:19,844\n我想因為這個法令涉及到那個社會那個福利跟服務的提供會有大概多少如果假如照王定宇委員通過會有多少的預算要支付的我想衛福部有估算啦那我們國防會的立場是如果在政府就是說社會福利沒有財務的危機還有這個服務提供沒有問題之下呢我們是樂觀其成可是呢至於\n\n15\n00:05:20,384 --> 00:05:24,826\n那衛福部說明一下好嗎?對,我們尊重衛福部的意見。來,衛福部說明一下。是,委員好。那其實在針對攬才、外國專業人才的這個部分,其實衛福部是保持我們希望能夠吸引更多的專業人才,然後跟多元包容跟廣納的這個態度。\n\n16\n00:05:39,844 --> 00:05:40,044\n賴瑞隆\n\n17\n00:06:01,203 --> 00:06:02,124\n那這個案子有跟部長做過說明嗎?新上任部長?\n\n18\n00:06:16,181 --> 00:06:16,221\n賴瑞隆\n\n19\n00:06:41,819 --> 00:07:07,690\n臺灣來為就是為我們的一起來努力讓臺灣的經濟讓臺灣產業更好這是大家共同目標但是有些涉及到財務面的問題的話也必須要乘勝來思考好謝謝最後一個問題齊晶的類離島其實我跟高副主委也談過非常多次因為齊晶當時的時候其實他是半島但是是因為高雄港開港之後形成離島但事實上因為他有過港隧道關係所以他永遠沒辦法享受到離島建設條例的優惠\n\n20\n00:07:08,971 --> 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