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00:01:32,634\n所以是非核家園嗎?對對那我請問一下那如果針對非核家園的部分那我們能源政策的部分你認為說如果非核家園那你認為能源政策應該以你環境部長的看法應該怎麼去做?報告委員其實這個能源政策是屬於國家的跨部會的這個政策那環境部當然我環境部長有表達我意見的權利所以我如果在閣議院會議裡面我的立場就是說必須要做到安全\n\n5\n00:01:33,294 --> 00:01:35,057\n所以部長說如果說核能能夠做到安全乾淨的話其實你也不反對核能是嗎?\n\n6\n00:01:50,798 --> 00:02:13,826\n包括委員其實我個人參加氣候會議歐盟其實他們有一個EUtaxmoney歐盟的永續的分類的投資的指引他其實把核能跟這個天然氣短暫的變成是所謂的可以投資的項目所以您剛才說的綠能是這個意思但是他其實是有但書的目前要屬於比較新型態的核能才有辦法認定為這種綠能\n\n7\n00:02:15,026 --> 00:02:16,107\n對,那如果以部長我看你好像有在媒體有接受來講就是\n\n8\n00:02:30,925 --> 00:02:47,331\n就是依法邁向非核家園那如果說你目前你說未來的核能是沒有辦法解決現在的問題嗎你有說過這句話那如果不以核能來發電那你認為能源政策應該以怎麼樣來做會比較好\n\n9\n00:02:48,251 --> 00:03:05,758\n我們目前國家的能源政策有一定的趨勢的目標例如說像2030年現在新任賴總統的是希望拉到30%左右的綠能那當然這個未來到2050年希望可以到60到70因為這個再生能源其實他不會用到所謂的化石燃料\n\n10\n00:03:06,198 --> 00:03:06,218\n韓國媒體\n\n11\n00:03:27,287 --> 00:03:43,632\n好那所以以目前來講齁如果我們非核家園那以我們現在政府的立場那多元綠能是他的方向那目前多元綠能那如果以綠能來講我們現在最多看到的應該是光電跟風電是不是對未來還有氫能\n\n12\n00:03:45,452 --> 00:04:06,362\n稍後還有氫能目前氫能沒有看到我們現在主要如果以綠能來講就是光電跟風電可是我們知道光電跟風電其實它的成本很高可是其實效益真的不高我們其實如果說目前核能沒有在用我們現在看得到的其實最大的就是火力發電廠\n\n13\n00:04:07,623 --> 00:04:35,502\n那我請問一下我們彭部長我聽說是觀音人是不是沒有我觀音出生我是苗栗人觀音出生嘛出生地是觀音那也算觀音人啦對對對是是所以剛好有在地的關係啦我也跟我們部長來說明一下其實我們整個桃園我們有一萬兩千間有登記的工廠所以也是全台灣密集度最高的工業區那我們在\n\n14\n00:04:37,743 --> 00:04:50,438\n桃園有五大發電廠那有一個全台灣最大的就是觀音大潭火力發電廠那目前它有6具機組正在運轉那因為電力不足的關係那現在\n\n15\n00:04:52,600 --> 00:05:15,529\n有7號、8號、9號機陸陸續續也在試運轉我們現在擔心的部分就是說因為其實火力發電它的碳排量一定還是比較高而且你增加更多的機組織是讓我們的空污更嚴重所以我們現在很多桃園尤其是觀音地方的鄉親都說他們都是冒著\n\n16\n00:05:17,045 --> 00:05:17,065\n拜訪問\n\n17\n00:05:35,639 --> 00:06:03,654\n部長針對這一部分有沒有什麼看法?好,報告委員這個天然氣它的這個排放的碳大概只有煤的一半那天然氣的這個污染呢也遠低於這個煤但是我們未來會注意它會不會有這個臭氧會發生所以民眾擔心的問題呢相對於煤它傻非常的多所以各位委員可以稍微放心那至於會不會安全的問題的話其實我相信這個能源署或是台電那是他們的這個職責他們會做好嚴格的把關的動作\n\n18\n00:06:04,474 --> 00:06:23,381\n好而且我們有2050我看我們賴清德總統也有目標2050是不是淨零碳排嘛對那淨零碳排剛好跟我們剛好我們剛講那個火力發電相呼應你要2050淨零碳排可是你又一直在增加火力發電這個機組我覺得這個好像跟\n\n19\n00:06:26,002 --> 00:06:45,041\n近年碳排好像是相違背而且我們四大七大工業國集團其實他們也有講他們以前也是反核可是為了2050向這個近年台胖這個目標他們也認為核能也是他們發展的一個方向\n\n20\n00:06:46,708 --> 00:07:14,321\n我現在想的說法就是說可是我們又一直在增加火力發電的基礎然後又說要建年碳排這好像是相違背報告委員其實天然氣它是屬於一個橋階橋階可能很難懂就是一個過渡型的能源等於是未來只要天然氣就是再生能源如果上去的話這個天然氣就可以慢慢的減少所以它是一個過渡型在這個所謂的再生能源還沒有起來的時候所以這個全球大概都是這樣的一個共識\n\n21\n00:07:14,961 --> 00:07:31,563\n好我今天要提的這部分就是因為剛好我知道說那個我們部長跟觀音有淵源然後觀音的鄉親對這個空屋真的是非常頭痛然後而且他們甚至還跟我們說他們希望能夠遷春他說因為這個空屋他們反映\n\n22\n00:07:32,364 --> 00:07:34,485\n稍後我們有機會再好好來聊一下：再請部長針對這部分來幫我們來支持一下。那還有我們桃園\n\n23\n00:07:52,370 --> 00:08:05,927\n之前一陣子有針對我們淨桃專案也就是說因為飆車族這個噪音影響我們住戶尤其晚上睡覺的安眠那後來張三振市長這淨桃專案\n\n24\n00:08:08,182 --> 00:08:26,728\n推出之後成效還不錯那個後來我有問我們薛部長就是之前的薛部長好像針對這部分預算我們是不是可以增加因為很多的縣市都認為這個聲音照相科技執法移動式這個照相科技執法成效很好\n\n25\n00:08:27,228 --> 00:08:45,226\n那部長是不是知道這個事情?報告委員知道目前我們現在正在跟中央整齊預算當中希望未來可以全國大概500多具這樣的聲音造成因為我們民眾的抗議或是陳情其實噪音比例是最高也是最有感的\n\n26\n00:08:45,566 --> 00:09:04,177\n那特別是在這個馬路上所以這個部分我們的確我有請我同事特別有跟我報告過那我們會極力的爭取預算然後來中央跟地方一起來合作這剛才張市長講的我們會盡力來支持好針對這部分我希望部長環境部這些來支持因為這部分\n\n27\n00:09:04,677 --> 00:09:20,414\n全民對於覺得這移動式照相科技執法覺得成效很好然後也希望能夠多增加這些設備能夠抑止這飆車族這麼猖獗影響住戶的安眠好謝謝委員支持好還有剛剛我有聽到部長有針對SRF好像這個針對這SRF排放標準\n\n28\n00:09:24,338 --> 00:09:49,761\n部長好像針對這一部分好像說會去嚴格管制有針對這一部分去做管理是嗎對我們目前第一個是源頭第二個是他在燃燒的過程當中一定要進行這個我們現在有一個預告修正的草案在6月份我們大氣師會提供首先要監測兩個一個是氯化氫還有強化檢查這個大澳型所以這個委員考慮到的可能跟國人的健康疑慮我們一定會嚴格把關做這些事情\n\n29\n00:09:49,981 --> 00:10:06,023\n這一部分要拜託我們部長因為據我們了解我們SRF這個排放標準根本跟我們垃圾焚化爐的標準幾乎是一致它裡面SRF這個成分裡面台灣做的SRF這個燃料棒裡面居然有塑膠、有廢輪胎\n\n30\n00:10:08,226 --> 00:10:35,709\n很多可以製造代號心的東西都在裡面所以我希望這排放標準部長能夠好好的研議尤其我們觀音又跟觀音有關係所以SRF這三家有三家要設立在我們桃園觀音也是鬧得沸沸揚揚民眾現在一直很關注這件事情我希望最主要針對SRF這排放標準環境部能夠訂定一個能夠合乎\n\n31\n00:10:36,349 --> 00:10:36,910\n涂權吉委員發言接下來請王育明委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6240\t32408\t好謝謝主席那請我們彭部長請彭部長委員長好首先先恭喜我們彭部長那在這邊請問一下我們彭部長那針對我們彭部長因為你現在接任我們新任環境部長我們還是想要了解一下部長對一些能源政策的看法那部長你認為我們核能它是不是核能核能是不是綠能\n34289\t45420\t從包委我個人參加那個全球的氣候變遷會議對於核能議題有很多討論以核能目前的國際上的認知是不是不是綠能但是他是一個潔淨的能源\n47318\t65012\t所以認知不是綠能啦但是它是乾淨的能源那我們針對這一部分那所以我們部長好像針對在媒體的部分好像有講說也是傾向支持非核家園嗎因為我是環境部長我只能遵守環境基本法所以就是非核家園\n65672\t92634\t所以是非核家園嗎?對對那我請問一下那如果針對非核家園的部分那我們能源政策的部分你認為說如果非核家園那你認為能源政策應該以你環境部長的看法應該怎麼去做?報告委員其實這個能源政策是屬於國家的跨部會的這個政策那環境部當然我環境部長有表達我意見的權利所以我如果在閣議院會議裡面我的立場就是說必須要做到安全\n93294\t95057\t所以部長說如果說核能能夠做到安全乾淨的話其實你也不反對核能是嗎?\n110798\t133826\t包括委員其實我個人參加氣候會議歐盟其實他們有一個EU tax money歐盟的永續的分類的投資的指引他其實把核能跟這個天然氣短暫的變成是所謂的可以投資的項目所以您剛才說的綠能是這個意思但是他其實是有但書的目前要屬於比較新型態的核能才有辦法認定為這種綠能\n135026\t136107\t對,那如果以部長我看你好像有在媒體有接受來講就是\n150925\t167331\t就是依法邁向非核家園那如果說你目前你說未來的核能是沒有辦法解決現在的問題嗎你有說過這句話那如果不以核能來發電那你認為能源政策應該以怎麼樣來做會比較好\n168251\t185758\t我們目前國家的能源政策有一定的趨勢的目標例如說像2030年現在新任賴總統的是希望拉到30%左右的綠能那當然這個未來到2050年希望可以到60到70因為這個再生能源其實他不會用到所謂的化石燃料\n186198\t186218\t韓國媒體\n207287\t223632\t好那所以以目前來講齁如果我們非核家園那以我們現在政府的立場那多元綠能是他的方向那目前多元綠能那如果以綠能來講我們現在最多看到的應該是光電跟風電是不是對未來還有氫能\n225452\t246362\t稍後還有氫能目前氫能沒有看到我們現在主要如果以綠能來講就是光電跟風電可是我們知道光電跟風電其實它的成本很高可是其實效益真的不高我們其實如果說目前核能沒有在用我們現在看得到的其實最大的就是火力發電廠\n247623\t275502\t那我請問一下我們彭部長我聽說是觀音人是不是沒有我觀音出生我是苗栗人觀音出生嘛出生地是觀音那也算觀音人啦對對對是是所以剛好有在地的關係啦我也跟我們部長來說明一下其實我們整個桃園我們有一萬兩千間有登記的工廠所以也是全台灣密集度最高的工業區那我們在\n277743\t290438\t桃園有五大發電廠那有一個全台灣最大的就是觀音大潭火力發電廠那目前它有6具機組正在運轉那因為電力不足的關係那現在\n292600\t315529\t有7號、8號、9號機陸陸續續也在試運轉我們現在擔心的部分就是說因為其實火力發電它的碳排量一定還是比較高而且你增加更多的機組織是讓我們的空污更嚴重所以我們現在很多桃園尤其是觀音地方的鄉親都說他們都是冒著\n317045\t317065\t拜訪問\n335639\t363654\t部長針對這一部分有沒有什麼看法?好,報告委員 這個天然氣它的這個排放的碳大概只有煤的一半那天然氣的這個污染呢也遠低於這個煤但是我們未來會注意它會不會有這個臭氧會發生所以民眾擔心的問題呢相對於煤它傻非常的多所以各位委員可以稍微放心那至於會不會安全的問題的話其實我相信這個能源署或是台電那是他們的這個職責他們會做好嚴格的把關的動作\n364474\t383381\t好而且我們有2050我看我們賴清德總統也有目標2050是不是淨零碳排嘛對那淨零碳排剛好跟我們剛好我們剛講那個火力發電相呼應你要2050淨零碳排可是你又一直在增加火力發電這個機組我覺得這個好像跟\n386002\t405041\t近年碳排好像是相違背而且我們四大七大工業國集團其實他們也有講他們以前也是反核可是為了2050向這個近年台胖這個目標他們也認為核能也是他們發展的一個方向\n406708\t434321\t我現在想的說法就是說可是我們又一直在增加火力發電的基礎然後又說要建年碳排這好像是相違背報告委員其實天然氣它是屬於一個橋階橋階可能很難懂就是一個過渡型的能源等於是未來只要天然氣就是再生能源如果上去的話這個天然氣就可以慢慢的減少所以它是一個過渡型在這個所謂的再生能源還沒有起來的時候所以這個全球大概都是這樣的一個共識\n434961\t451563\t好我今天要提的這部分就是因為剛好我知道說那個我們部長跟觀音有淵源然後觀音的鄉親對這個空屋真的是非常頭痛然後而且他們甚至還跟我們說他們希望能夠遷春他說因為這個空屋他們反映\n452364\t454485\t稍後我們有機會再好好來聊一下：再請部長針對這部分來幫我們來支持一下。那還有我們桃園\n472370\t485927\t之前一陣子有針對我們淨桃專案也就是說因為飆車族這個噪音影響我們住戶尤其晚上睡覺的安眠那後來張三振市長這淨桃專案\n488182\t506728\t推出之後成效還不錯 那個後來我有問我們薛部長就是之前的薛部長好像針對這部分預算我們是不是可以增加因為很多的縣市都認為這個聲音照相科技執法移動式這個照相科技執法成效很好\n507228\t525226\t那部長是不是知道這個事情?報告委員知道目前我們現在正在跟中央整齊預算當中希望未來可以全國大概500多具這樣的聲音造成因為我們民眾的抗議或是陳情其實噪音比例是最高也是最有感的\n525566\t544177\t那特別是在這個馬路上所以這個部分我們的確我有請我同事特別有跟我報告過那我們會極力的爭取預算然後來中央跟地方一起來合作這剛才張市長講的我們會盡力來支持好針對這部分我希望部長環境部這些來支持因為這部分\n544677\t560414\t全民對於覺得這移動式照相科技執法覺得成效很好然後也希望能夠多增加這些設備能夠抑止這飆車族這麼猖獗影響住戶的安眠好謝謝委員支持好還有剛剛我有聽到部長有針對SRF好像這個針對這SRF排放標準\n564338\t589761\t部長好像針對這一部分好像說會去嚴格管制有針對這一部分去做管理是嗎對我們目前第一個是源頭第二個是他在燃燒的過程當中一定要進行這個我們現在有一個預告修正的草案在6月份我們大氣師會提供首先要監測兩個一個是氯化氫還有強化檢查這個大澳型所以這個委員考慮到的可能跟國人的健康疑慮我們一定會嚴格把關做這些事情\n589981\t606023\t這一部分要拜託我們部長因為據我們了解我們SRF這個排放標準根本跟我們垃圾焚化爐的標準幾乎是一致它裡面SRF這個成分裡面台灣做的SRF這個燃料棒裡面居然有塑膠、有廢輪胎\n608226\t635709\t很多可以製造代號心的東西都在裡面所以我希望這排放標準部長能夠好好的研議尤其我們觀音又跟觀音有關係所以SRF這三家有三家要設立在我們桃園觀音也是鬧得沸沸揚揚民眾現在一直很關注這件事情我希望最主要針對SRF這排放標準環境部能夠訂定一個能夠合乎\n636349\t636910\t涂權吉委員發言接下來請王育明委員發言\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那請我們彭部長請彭部長委員長好首先先恭喜我們彭部長那在這邊請問一下我們彭部長那針對我們彭部長因為你現在接任我們新任環境部長我們還是想要了解一下部長對一些能源政策的看法那部長你認為我們核能它是不是核能核能是不是綠能\n從包委我個人參加那個全球的氣候變遷會議對於核能議題有很多討論以核能目前的國際上的認知是不是不是綠能但是他是一個潔淨的能源\n所以認知不是綠能啦但是它是乾淨的能源那我們針對這一部分那所以我們部長好像針對在媒體的部分好像有講說也是傾向支持非核家園嗎因為我是環境部長我只能遵守環境基本法所以就是非核家園\n所以是非核家園嗎?對對那我請問一下那如果針對非核家園的部分那我們能源政策的部分你認為說如果非核家園那你認為能源政策應該以你環境部長的看法應該怎麼去做?報告委員其實這個能源政策是屬於國家的跨部會的這個政策那環境部當然我環境部長有表達我意見的權利所以我如果在閣議院會議裡面我的立場就是說必須要做到安全\n所以部長說如果說核能能夠做到安全乾淨的話其實你也不反對核能是嗎?\n包括委員其實我個人參加氣候會議歐盟其實他們有一個EU tax money歐盟的永續的分類的投資的指引他其實把核能跟這個天然氣短暫的變成是所謂的可以投資的項目所以您剛才說的綠能是這個意思但是他其實是有但書的目前要屬於比較新型態的核能才有辦法認定為這種綠能\n對,那如果以部長我看你好像有在媒體有接受來講就是\n就是依法邁向非核家園那如果說你目前你說未來的核能是沒有辦法解決現在的問題嗎你有說過這句話那如果不以核能來發電那你認為能源政策應該以怎麼樣來做會比較好\n我們目前國家的能源政策有一定的趨勢的目標例如說像2030年現在新任賴總統的是希望拉到30%左右的綠能那當然這個未來到2050年希望可以到60到70因為這個再生能源其實他不會用到所謂的化石燃料\n韓國媒體\n好那所以以目前來講齁如果我們非核家園那以我們現在政府的立場那多元綠能是他的方向那目前多元綠能那如果以綠能來講我們現在最多看到的應該是光電跟風電是不是對未來還有氫能\n稍後還有氫能目前氫能沒有看到我們現在主要如果以綠能來講就是光電跟風電可是我們知道光電跟風電其實它的成本很高可是其實效益真的不高我們其實如果說目前核能沒有在用我們現在看得到的其實最大的就是火力發電廠\n那我請問一下我們彭部長我聽說是觀音人是不是沒有我觀音出生我是苗栗人觀音出生嘛出生地是觀音那也算觀音人啦對對對是是所以剛好有在地的關係啦我也跟我們部長來說明一下其實我們整個桃園我們有一萬兩千間有登記的工廠所以也是全台灣密集度最高的工業區那我們在\n桃園有五大發電廠那有一個全台灣最大的就是觀音大潭火力發電廠那目前它有6具機組正在運轉那因為電力不足的關係那現在\n有7號、8號、9號機陸陸續續也在試運轉我們現在擔心的部分就是說因為其實火力發電它的碳排量一定還是比較高而且你增加更多的機組織是讓我們的空污更嚴重所以我們現在很多桃園尤其是觀音地方的鄉親都說他們都是冒著\n拜訪問\n部長針對這一部分有沒有什麼看法?好,報告委員 這個天然氣它的這個排放的碳大概只有煤的一半那天然氣的這個污染呢也遠低於這個煤但是我們未來會注意它會不會有這個臭氧會發生所以民眾擔心的問題呢相對於煤它傻非常的多所以各位委員可以稍微放心那至於會不會安全的問題的話其實我相信這個能源署或是台電那是他們的這個職責他們會做好嚴格的把關的動作\n好而且我們有2050我看我們賴清德總統也有目標2050是不是淨零碳排嘛對那淨零碳排剛好跟我們剛好我們剛講那個火力發電相呼應你要2050淨零碳排可是你又一直在增加火力發電這個機組我覺得這個好像跟\n近年碳排好像是相違背而且我們四大七大工業國集團其實他們也有講他們以前也是反核可是為了2050向這個近年台胖這個目標他們也認為核能也是他們發展的一個方向\n我現在想的說法就是說可是我們又一直在增加火力發電的基礎然後又說要建年碳排這好像是相違背報告委員其實天然氣它是屬於一個橋階橋階可能很難懂就是一個過渡型的能源等於是未來只要天然氣就是再生能源如果上去的話這個天然氣就可以慢慢的減少所以它是一個過渡型在這個所謂的再生能源還沒有起來的時候所以這個全球大概都是這樣的一個共識\n好我今天要提的這部分就是因為剛好我知道說那個我們部長跟觀音有淵源然後觀音的鄉親對這個空屋真的是非常頭痛然後而且他們甚至還跟我們說他們希望能夠遷春他說因為這個空屋他們反映\n稍後我們有機會再好好來聊一下：再請部長針對這部分來幫我們來支持一下。那還有我們桃園\n之前一陣子有針對我們淨桃專案也就是說因為飆車族這個噪音影響我們住戶尤其晚上睡覺的安眠那後來張三振市長這淨桃專案\n推出之後成效還不錯 那個後來我有問我們薛部長就是之前的薛部長好像針對這部分預算我們是不是可以增加因為很多的縣市都認為這個聲音照相科技執法移動式這個照相科技執法成效很好\n那部長是不是知道這個事情?報告委員知道目前我們現在正在跟中央整齊預算當中希望未來可以全國大概500多具這樣的聲音造成因為我們民眾的抗議或是陳情其實噪音比例是最高也是最有感的\n那特別是在這個馬路上所以這個部分我們的確我有請我同事特別有跟我報告過那我們會極力的爭取預算然後來中央跟地方一起來合作這剛才張市長講的我們會盡力來支持好針對這部分我希望部長環境部這些來支持因為這部分\n全民對於覺得這移動式照相科技執法覺得成效很好然後也希望能夠多增加這些設備能夠抑止這飆車族這麼猖獗影響住戶的安眠好謝謝委員支持好還有剛剛我有聽到部長有針對SRF好像這個針對這SRF排放標準\n部長好像針對這一部分好像說會去嚴格管制有針對這一部分去做管理是嗎對我們目前第一個是源頭第二個是他在燃燒的過程當中一定要進行這個我們現在有一個預告修正的草案在6月份我們大氣師會提供首先要監測兩個一個是氯化氫還有強化檢查這個大澳型所以這個委員考慮到的可能跟國人的健康疑慮我們一定會嚴格把關做這些事情\n這一部分要拜託我們部長因為據我們了解我們SRF這個排放標準根本跟我們垃圾焚化爐的標準幾乎是一致它裡面SRF這個成分裡面台灣做的SRF這個燃料棒裡面居然有塑膠、有廢輪胎\n很多可以製造代號心的東西都在裡面所以我希望這排放標準部長能夠好好的研議尤其我們觀音又跟觀音有關係所以SRF這三家有三家要設立在我們桃園觀音也是鬧得沸沸揚揚民眾現在一直很關注這件事情我希望最主要針對SRF這排放標準環境部能夠訂定一個能夠合乎\n涂權吉委員發言接下來請王育明委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.240 --> 00:32.408\n好謝謝主席那請我們彭部長請彭部長委員長好首先先恭喜我們彭部長那在這邊請問一下我們彭部長那針對我們彭部長因為你現在接任我們新任環境部長我們還是想要了解一下部長對一些能源政策的看法那部長你認為我們核能它是不是核能核能是不是綠能\n\n00:34.289 --> 00:45.420\n從包委我個人參加那個全球的氣候變遷會議對於核能議題有很多討論以核能目前的國際上的認知是不是不是綠能但是他是一個潔淨的能源\n\n00:47.318 --> 01:05.012\n所以認知不是綠能啦但是它是乾淨的能源那我們針對這一部分那所以我們部長好像針對在媒體的部分好像有講說也是傾向支持非核家園嗎因為我是環境部長我只能遵守環境基本法所以就是非核家園\n\n01:05.672 --> 01:32.634\n所以是非核家園嗎?對對那我請問一下那如果針對非核家園的部分那我們能源政策的部分你認為說如果非核家園那你認為能源政策應該以你環境部長的看法應該怎麼去做?報告委員其實這個能源政策是屬於國家的跨部會的這個政策那環境部當然我環境部長有表達我意見的權利所以我如果在閣議院會議裡面我的立場就是說必須要做到安全\n\n01:33.294 --> 01:35.057\n所以部長說如果說核能能夠做到安全乾淨的話其實你也不反對核能是嗎?\n\n01:50.798 --> 02:13.826\n包括委員其實我個人參加氣候會議歐盟其實他們有一個EUtaxmoney歐盟的永續的分類的投資的指引他其實把核能跟這個天然氣短暫的變成是所謂的可以投資的項目所以您剛才說的綠能是這個意思但是他其實是有但書的目前要屬於比較新型態的核能才有辦法認定為這種綠能\n\n02:15.026 --> 02:16.107\n對,那如果以部長我看你好像有在媒體有接受來講就是\n\n02:30.925 --> 02:47.331\n就是依法邁向非核家園那如果說你目前你說未來的核能是沒有辦法解決現在的問題嗎你有說過這句話那如果不以核能來發電那你認為能源政策應該以怎麼樣來做會比較好\n\n02:48.251 --> 03:05.758\n我們目前國家的能源政策有一定的趨勢的目標例如說像2030年現在新任賴總統的是希望拉到30%左右的綠能那當然這個未來到2050年希望可以到60到70因為這個再生能源其實他不會用到所謂的化石燃料\n\n03:06.198 --> 03:06.218\n韓國媒體\n\n03:27.287 --> 03:43.632\n好那所以以目前來講齁如果我們非核家園那以我們現在政府的立場那多元綠能是他的方向那目前多元綠能那如果以綠能來講我們現在最多看到的應該是光電跟風電是不是對未來還有氫能\n\n03:45.452 --> 04:06.362\n稍後還有氫能目前氫能沒有看到我們現在主要如果以綠能來講就是光電跟風電可是我們知道光電跟風電其實它的成本很高可是其實效益真的不高我們其實如果說目前核能沒有在用我們現在看得到的其實最大的就是火力發電廠\n\n04:07.623 --> 04:35.502\n那我請問一下我們彭部長我聽說是觀音人是不是沒有我觀音出生我是苗栗人觀音出生嘛出生地是觀音那也算觀音人啦對對對是是所以剛好有在地的關係啦我也跟我們部長來說明一下其實我們整個桃園我們有一萬兩千間有登記的工廠所以也是全台灣密集度最高的工業區那我們在\n\n04:37.743 --> 04:50.438\n桃園有五大發電廠那有一個全台灣最大的就是觀音大潭火力發電廠那目前它有6具機組正在運轉那因為電力不足的關係那現在\n\n04:52.600 --> 05:15.529\n有7號、8號、9號機陸陸續續也在試運轉我們現在擔心的部分就是說因為其實火力發電它的碳排量一定還是比較高而且你增加更多的機組織是讓我們的空污更嚴重所以我們現在很多桃園尤其是觀音地方的鄉親都說他們都是冒著\n\n05:17.045 --> 05:17.065\n拜訪問\n\n05:35.639 --> 06:03.654\n部長針對這一部分有沒有什麼看法?好,報告委員這個天然氣它的這個排放的碳大概只有煤的一半那天然氣的這個污染呢也遠低於這個煤但是我們未來會注意它會不會有這個臭氧會發生所以民眾擔心的問題呢相對於煤它傻非常的多所以各位委員可以稍微放心那至於會不會安全的問題的話其實我相信這個能源署或是台電那是他們的這個職責他們會做好嚴格的把關的動作\n\n06:04.474 --> 06:23.381\n好而且我們有2050我看我們賴清德總統也有目標2050是不是淨零碳排嘛對那淨零碳排剛好跟我們剛好我們剛講那個火力發電相呼應你要2050淨零碳排可是你又一直在增加火力發電這個機組我覺得這個好像跟\n\n06:26.002 --> 06:45.041\n近年碳排好像是相違背而且我們四大七大工業國集團其實他們也有講他們以前也是反核可是為了2050向這個近年台胖這個目標他們也認為核能也是他們發展的一個方向\n\n06:46.708 --> 07:14.321\n我現在想的說法就是說可是我們又一直在增加火力發電的基礎然後又說要建年碳排這好像是相違背報告委員其實天然氣它是屬於一個橋階橋階可能很難懂就是一個過渡型的能源等於是未來只要天然氣就是再生能源如果上去的話這個天然氣就可以慢慢的減少所以它是一個過渡型在這個所謂的再生能源還沒有起來的時候所以這個全球大概都是這樣的一個共識\n\n07:14.961 --> 07:31.563\n好我今天要提的這部分就是因為剛好我知道說那個我們部長跟觀音有淵源然後觀音的鄉親對這個空屋真的是非常頭痛然後而且他們甚至還跟我們說他們希望能夠遷春他說因為這個空屋他們反映\n\n07:32.364 --> 07:34.485\n稍後我們有機會再好好來聊一下：再請部長針對這部分來幫我們來支持一下。那還有我們桃園\n\n07:52.370 --> 08:05.927\n之前一陣子有針對我們淨桃專案也就是說因為飆車族這個噪音影響我們住戶尤其晚上睡覺的安眠那後來張三振市長這淨桃專案\n\n08:08.182 --> 08:26.728\n推出之後成效還不錯那個後來我有問我們薛部長就是之前的薛部長好像針對這部分預算我們是不是可以增加因為很多的縣市都認為這個聲音照相科技執法移動式這個照相科技執法成效很好\n\n08:27.228 --> 08:45.226\n那部長是不是知道這個事情?報告委員知道目前我們現在正在跟中央整齊預算當中希望未來可以全國大概500多具這樣的聲音造成因為我們民眾的抗議或是陳情其實噪音比例是最高也是最有感的\n\n08:45.566 --> 09:04.177\n那特別是在這個馬路上所以這個部分我們的確我有請我同事特別有跟我報告過那我們會極力的爭取預算然後來中央跟地方一起來合作這剛才張市長講的我們會盡力來支持好針對這部分我希望部長環境部這些來支持因為這部分\n\n09:04.677 --> 09:20.414\n全民對於覺得這移動式照相科技執法覺得成效很好然後也希望能夠多增加這些設備能夠抑止這飆車族這麼猖獗影響住戶的安眠好謝謝委員支持好還有剛剛我有聽到部長有針對SRF好像這個針對這SRF排放標準\n\n09:24.338 --> 09:49.761\n部長好像針對這一部分好像說會去嚴格管制有針對這一部分去做管理是嗎對我們目前第一個是源頭第二個是他在燃燒的過程當中一定要進行這個我們現在有一個預告修正的草案在6月份我們大氣師會提供首先要監測兩個一個是氯化氫還有強化檢查這個大澳型所以這個委員考慮到的可能跟國人的健康疑慮我們一定會嚴格把關做這些事情\n\n09:49.981 --> 10:06.023\n這一部分要拜託我們部長因為據我們了解我們SRF這個排放標準根本跟我們垃圾焚化爐的標準幾乎是一致它裡面SRF這個成分裡面台灣做的SRF這個燃料棒裡面居然有塑膠、有廢輪胎\n\n10:08.226 --> 10:35.709\n很多可以製造代號心的東西都在裡面所以我希望這排放標準部長能夠好好的研議尤其我們觀音又跟觀音有關係所以SRF這三家有三家要設立在我們桃園觀音也是鬧得沸沸揚揚民眾現在一直很關注這件事情我希望最主要針對SRF這排放標準環境部能夠訂定一個能夠合乎\n\n10:36.349 --> 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