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00:02:00,029\n我想問這樣子的一個圖像我可能還要講一下你才會知道哪一邊是哪一邊右邊是那個儀式的原創者左邊是我們的典禮用的視覺假設您是國外圖的創作者您會不會覺得有一點抄襲的可能\n\n6\n00:02:02,955 --> 00:02:15,125\n其實抄襲的認定在法律上非常複雜我知道你會這樣回答沒有關係所以我剛剛先問您設身處地您還不願意也沒有關係我慢慢培養默契那我們依據廠商說明這個貓狗徽章的設計這個是以公私購入的商用授權的素材庫來做的為此我們還向總統府來調閱資料說這個16屆的總統\n\n7\n00:02:28,176 --> 00:02:51,895\n這個副總統候選人的這個典禮決票金額2350萬不要講剛剛那個只有36萬徽章的部分不屬於政府採購的標案這邊產生了很多的疑問請問部長認同廠商的說法用免費素材我們剛剛講了36萬他說他還用了一些素材那這個貓狗的說是免費的素材再製作符合文化部所謂的文創設計嗎我先問這個問題但我先補充您一下\n\n8\n00:02:55,518 --> 00:03:13,750\n我最崇拜的台灣電影的導演楊德昌他最後一部電影一一這個取名是叫道生一一生二二生三三生萬物道是最難的道生一也是很難的原創是最重要的我看到您微笑我相信你很理解請問這樣算原創嗎如果是我的標準\n\n9\n00:03:19,824 --> 00:03:31,586\n我從以前到現在我都很希望從最原始的idea就是來自自己如果用我的標準我不知道算不算原創因為要是我會自己重新畫一次狗一次貓\n\n10\n00:03:32,998 --> 00:03:56,904\n好我想沒關係這個謝謝您非常誠懇的答覆我想我們也知道了部長還是很尊重原創我還是要非常感謝那我想這個部長的行政約例其實也很豐富那不屬於政府採購得標的即便廠商免費提供我們可以隨便採用嗎我問林總有就職典禮這麼重要活動這個徽章他說不屬於政府採購標案應該可以隨便發放嗎\n\n11\n00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:04,775\n這個應該可以回答這沒有主觀的問題嘛我在我的文化部我希望沒有這種事情\n\n12\n00:04:06,656 --> 00:04:35,635\n那這樣文化部有點打臉總統府沒有關係啦我相信您不是這個意思那我們來看第二個案例超人特工隊的第二支與文化部更為相關的因為你剛剛說那是總統府我們來看一下文化部的這個巴黎文化奧運台灣館的主視覺用了一個叫emoji的東西就表情符號跟apple的系列iOS的系列的emoji高度相似疑似有抄襲的可能而且該案正好跟520的主視覺設計師\n\n13\n00:04:38,557 --> 00:04:57,311\n同一個人請問一下部長就您的了解emoji有沒有版權先回答表情符號有沒有版權表情符號設計有沒有版權他應該是一個幽默吧應該是一個幽默的有點有趣的問您有沒有版權有沒有版權\n\n14\n00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:20,369\n這就是文化部官員的表情面面相覷我可以告訴你們除了開源的emoji以外Emoji的版權屬於設計這組符號的供應商以巴黎文化奧運台灣館的主事節為例假如作者真的有使用或參考Apple的像不像\n\n15\n00:05:24,036 --> 00:05:24,977\n可以看出來嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:24,977 --> 00:05:42,632\n字額太小。左邊是Apple,右邊是文化部產出的成果。再來,左邊是Apple,右邊是文化部產出的結果。如果真的有使用或參考Apple的Emoji,必須諮詢Apple法律部門並申請表情符號的使用授權。\n\n17\n00:05:43,573 --> 00:05:43,994\n目前沒有\n\n18\n00:05:57,728 --> 00:06:15,707\n很好謝謝您的誠懇答覆此案其實是民眾陳情請文化部就本案emoji的授權請醒於一週內以書面方式回覆本席辦公室否則真的是設計要以死了最後一個案子還沒完超人特工隊還沒完剛剛很多人已經問了\n\n19\n00:06:17,188 --> 00:06:41,855\n那剛剛部長也很誠懇的答覆我們不應該推給第一線那我直接問您一個問題部長能不能在此是否應該先代表文化部向原會師表示歉意不要推給第一線嘛沒有問題我願意代表文化部向原會師道歉我也願意向所有其實非常期待那個台灣有自己原創的人道歉\n\n20\n00:06:44,576 --> 00:07:08,844\n謝謝部長接下來還是希望除了道歉以外要完成清查還有沒有台灣館的相關案例有涉及抄襲第二審查的流程未來能不能禁止這方面的事情再次發生另外有沒有行政的疏失也希望部長不是只有道歉我相信您的行動力也是很強的我們一起來努力再來還沒有結束請教一下部長這個我們就不放了剛剛都講過了\n\n21\n00:07:11,186 --> 00:07:36,166\n這個影像我相信部長應該可以理解我真的是您的粉絲啦這個影像我真的是看到在投影片上我都感動會哭接下來要請教一下部長您是台灣新電影的重要推手之一那我也在無數的演講我自己的官方網站裡都隨時都放著楊德昌導演的電影對我的啟發那您也是這些導演的背後的一個非常重要的一個推手\n\n22\n00:07:37,566 --> 00:07:57,453\n1980年代的時候您在一個社會氛圍非常嚴厲的情況之下你們竟然能夠一起團隊的去創造了台灣新電影的時期這個您曾經甚至有說過一句名言作品本身具有實驗性和原創性如果在票房上失敗了就算要拍8部拍10部都值得\n\n23\n00:07:57,893 --> 00:08:17,095\n如果因為模仿抄襲而獲得的利潤並不值得鼓勵部長您今天以文化部部長的身份到立院備詢相隔40多年我想再次請教對電影來講最重要的東西到底是什麼是實驗性原創性利潤票房還是特效還是精美的畫質您的想法有改變嗎\n\n24\n00:08:37,074 --> 00:09:04,205\n有限的經費裡面我們是非常鼓勵實驗電影的比如短片那個經費在有限不用面對觀眾的情況下我是非常支持拍實驗電影報告文化部部長那您剛好去檢討一下金鐘獎把那個短片變成只有60分鐘以上才能參賽我們之後再聊這個議題那我們來看一下這一本書會去台流文化黑草台流文化內容的躍升計畫不知道您有沒有看過\n\n25\n00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:29,208\n這裡面爭取到4年100億的黑潮計畫但是頭也不是尾也不是裡面對於實驗性和原創性隻字未提你說如果要砸大錢進去拍很抱歉影視音文化的內容竟然只有17億元請教一下部長您當時推動這個光音的故事我們都知道想要拍怪獸片\n\n26\n00:09:29,949 --> 00:09:30,809\n你剛才講到關於你的故事\n\n27\n00:09:49,859 --> 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謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請文化部李遠部長有請李部長好\n感謝部長您是我的偶像所以有機會在這裡跟您做互動覺得很感謝但是最近政府機關裡頭發生了一些超人特工隊的案件這個超是疑似抄襲的超第一件是前幾天剛舉行的520就職大典根據府方的回覆這個典禮主視覺的設計費\n請問一下部長您覺得36萬單位是台幣還是美金36萬是美金嗎不會吧你相信是台幣嗎你覺得我們4年一次的典禮的主視覺總計劃案的設計費2300萬裡面竟然只有36萬去畫這樣的一個主視覺的圖您相信嗎\n這是我們台灣的設計水平嗎?希望慢慢搞清楚齁 這個真的太重要了昨天才有的政黨說民主已死今天民主還活著所以我們今天可以在這裡互動對話但是我們的設計是不是已死啊相信台灣的設計沒有已死齁\n我想問這樣子的一個圖像我可能還要講一下你才會知道哪一邊是哪一邊右邊是那個儀式的原創者左邊是我們的典禮用的視覺假設您是國外圖的創作者您會不會覺得有一點抄襲的可能\n其實抄襲的認定在法律上非常複雜我知道你會這樣回答沒有關係所以我剛剛先問您設身處地您還不願意也沒有關係我慢慢培養默契那我們依據廠商說明這個貓狗徽章的設計這個是以公私購入的商用授權的素材庫來做的為此我們還向總統府來調閱資料說這個16屆的總統\n這個副總統候選人的這個典禮決票金額2350萬不要講剛剛那個只有36萬徽章的部分不屬於政府採購的標案這邊產生了很多的疑問請問部長認同廠商的說法用免費素材我們剛剛講了36萬他說他還用了一些素材那這個貓狗的說是免費的素材再製作符合文化部所謂的文創設計嗎我先問這個問題但我先補充您一下\n我最崇拜的台灣電影的導演楊德昌他最後一部電影一一這個取名是叫道生一一生二二生三三生萬物道是最難的道生一也是很難的原創是最重要的我看到您微笑我相信你很理解請問這樣算原創嗎如果是我的標準\n我從以前到現在我都很希望從最原始的idea就是來自自己如果用我的標準我不知道算不算原創因為要是我會自己重新畫一次狗一次貓\n好我想沒關係這個謝謝您非常誠懇的答覆我想我們也知道了部長還是很尊重原創我還是要非常感謝那我想這個部長的行政約例其實也很豐富那不屬於政府採購得標的即便廠商免費提供我們可以隨便採用嗎我問林總有就職典禮這麼重要活動這個徽章他說不屬於政府採購標案應該可以隨便發放嗎\n這個應該可以回答 這沒有主觀的問題嘛我在我的文化部我希望沒有這種事情\n那這樣文化部有點打臉總統府沒有關係啦我相信您不是這個意思那我們來看第二個案例超人特工隊的第二支與文化部更為相關的因為你剛剛說那是總統府我們來看一下文化部的這個巴黎文化奧運台灣館的主視覺用了一個叫emoji的東西就表情符號跟apple的系列iOS的系列的emoji高度相似疑似有抄襲的可能而且該案正好跟520的主視覺設計師\n同一個人請問一下部長就您的了解 emoji有沒有版權先回答表情符號有沒有版權表情符號設計有沒有版權他應該是一個幽默吧應該是一個幽默的有點有趣的問您有沒有版權有沒有版權\n這就是文化部官員的表情面面相覷我可以告訴你們除了開源的emoji以外Emoji的版權屬於設計這組符號的供應商以巴黎文化奧運台灣館的主事節為例假如作者真的有使用或參考Apple的像不像\n可以看出來嗎?\n字額太小。左邊是Apple,右邊是文化部產出的成果。再來,左邊是Apple,右邊是文化部產出的結果。如果真的有使用或參考Apple的Emoji,必須諮詢Apple法律部門並申請表情符號的使用授權。\n目前沒有\n很好 謝謝您的誠懇答覆此案其實是民眾陳情請文化部就本案emoji的授權請醒於一週內以書面方式回覆本席辦公室否則真的是設計要以死了最後一個案子還沒完超人特工隊還沒完剛剛很多人已經問了\n那剛剛部長也很誠懇的答覆我們不應該推給第一線那我直接問您一個問題部長能不能在此是否應該先代表文化部向原會師表示歉意不要推給第一線嘛沒有問題我願意代表文化部向原會師道歉我也願意向所有其實非常期待那個台灣有自己原創的人道歉\n謝謝部長接下來還是希望除了道歉以外要完成清查還有沒有台灣館的相關案例有涉及抄襲第二審查的流程未來能不能禁止這方面的事情再次發生另外有沒有行政的疏失也希望部長不是只有道歉我相信您的行動力也是很強的我們一起來努力再來還沒有結束請教一下部長這個我們就不放了剛剛都講過了\n這個影像我相信部長應該可以理解我真的是您的粉絲啦這個影像我真的是看到在投影片上我都感動會哭接下來要請教一下部長您是台灣新電影的重要推手之一那我也在無數的演講我自己的官方網站裡都隨時都放著楊德昌導演的電影對我的啟發那您也是這些導演的背後的一個非常重要的一個推手\n1980年代的時候您在一個社會氛圍非常嚴厲的情況之下你們竟然能夠一起團隊的去創造了台灣新電影的時期這個您曾經甚至有說過一句名言作品本身具有實驗性和原創性如果在票房上失敗了就算要拍8部拍10部都值得\n如果因為模仿抄襲而獲得的利潤並不值得鼓勵部長您今天以文化部部長的身份到立院備詢相隔40多年我想再次請教對電影來講最重要的東西到底是什麼是實驗性原創性利潤票房還是特效還是精美的畫質您的想法有改變嗎\n﹗\n有限的經費裡面我們是非常鼓勵實驗電影的比如短片那個經費在有限不用面對觀眾的情況下我是非常支持拍實驗電影報告文化部部長那您剛好去檢討一下金鐘獎把那個短片變成只有60分鐘以上才能參賽我們之後再聊這個議題那我們來看一下這一本書會去台流文化黑草台流文化內容的躍升計畫不知道您有沒有看過\n這裡面爭取到4年100億的黑潮計畫但是頭也不是尾也不是裡面對於實驗性和原創性隻字未提你說如果要砸大錢進去拍很抱歉影視音文化的內容竟然只有17億元請教一下部長您當時推動這個光音的故事我們都知道想要拍怪獸片\n你剛才講到關於你的故事\n讓我回到1980年代那個時候就是因為那家電影公司每次投資都四千萬五千萬就虧光了才輪到我們這些年輕人進去我記得關於故事只花四百萬然後小屁的故事也四百萬結果賣到三四千萬所以我觀念中一直不覺得電影是完全可以靠金錢來堆砌它也可以有很很好的巧思在不高的預算下可以大賣所以我在台灣這個環境中投資太高\n﹗\n所以謝謝部長這樣的一個精神我想數十年如一日就像您的光陰的故事數十年就像一部電影一樣這一本書裡面一百億沒有提到原創性沒有提到實驗性我們希望黑潮的計畫可以在您的領導之下有新的風貌近來台灣不管是電影或戲劇作品都非常的辛苦但是我們有您當年的帶領我們可以想像\n希望我們未來可以一起為台灣的文化共同努力謝謝你 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.771 --> 00:15.933\n謝謝主席有請文化部李遠部長有請李部長好\n\n00:26.363 --> 00:51.096\n感謝部長您是我的偶像所以有機會在這裡跟您做互動覺得很感謝但是最近政府機關裡頭發生了一些超人特工隊的案件這個超是疑似抄襲的超第一件是前幾天剛舉行的520就職大典根據府方的回覆這個典禮主視覺的設計費\n\n00:53.985 --> 00:57.346\n請問一下部長您覺得36萬單位是台幣還是美金36萬是美金嗎不會吧你相信是台幣嗎你覺得我們4年一次的典禮的主視覺總計劃案的設計費2300萬裡面竟然只有36萬去畫這樣的一個主視覺的圖您相信嗎\n\n01:21.793 --> 01:40.443\n這是我們台灣的設計水平嗎?希望慢慢搞清楚齁這個真的太重要了昨天才有的政黨說民主已死今天民主還活著所以我們今天可以在這裡互動對話但是我們的設計是不是已死啊相信台灣的設計沒有已死齁\n\n01:41.684 --> 02:00.029\n我想問這樣子的一個圖像我可能還要講一下你才會知道哪一邊是哪一邊右邊是那個儀式的原創者左邊是我們的典禮用的視覺假設您是國外圖的創作者您會不會覺得有一點抄襲的可能\n\n02:02.955 --> 02:15.125\n其實抄襲的認定在法律上非常複雜我知道你會這樣回答沒有關係所以我剛剛先問您設身處地您還不願意也沒有關係我慢慢培養默契那我們依據廠商說明這個貓狗徽章的設計這個是以公私購入的商用授權的素材庫來做的為此我們還向總統府來調閱資料說這個16屆的總統\n\n02:28.176 --> 02:51.895\n這個副總統候選人的這個典禮決票金額2350萬不要講剛剛那個只有36萬徽章的部分不屬於政府採購的標案這邊產生了很多的疑問請問部長認同廠商的說法用免費素材我們剛剛講了36萬他說他還用了一些素材那這個貓狗的說是免費的素材再製作符合文化部所謂的文創設計嗎我先問這個問題但我先補充您一下\n\n02:55.518 --> 03:13.750\n我最崇拜的台灣電影的導演楊德昌他最後一部電影一一這個取名是叫道生一一生二二生三三生萬物道是最難的道生一也是很難的原創是最重要的我看到您微笑我相信你很理解請問這樣算原創嗎如果是我的標準\n\n03:19.824 --> 03:31.586\n我從以前到現在我都很希望從最原始的idea就是來自自己如果用我的標準我不知道算不算原創因為要是我會自己重新畫一次狗一次貓\n\n03:32.998 --> 03:56.904\n好我想沒關係這個謝謝您非常誠懇的答覆我想我們也知道了部長還是很尊重原創我還是要非常感謝那我想這個部長的行政約例其實也很豐富那不屬於政府採購得標的即便廠商免費提供我們可以隨便採用嗎我問林總有就職典禮這麼重要活動這個徽章他說不屬於政府採購標案應該可以隨便發放嗎\n\n04:00.507 --> 04:04.775\n這個應該可以回答這沒有主觀的問題嘛我在我的文化部我希望沒有這種事情\n\n04:06.656 --> 04:35.635\n那這樣文化部有點打臉總統府沒有關係啦我相信您不是這個意思那我們來看第二個案例超人特工隊的第二支與文化部更為相關的因為你剛剛說那是總統府我們來看一下文化部的這個巴黎文化奧運台灣館的主視覺用了一個叫emoji的東西就表情符號跟apple的系列iOS的系列的emoji高度相似疑似有抄襲的可能而且該案正好跟520的主視覺設計師\n\n04:38.557 --> 04:57.311\n同一個人請問一下部長就您的了解emoji有沒有版權先回答表情符號有沒有版權表情符號設計有沒有版權他應該是一個幽默吧應該是一個幽默的有點有趣的問您有沒有版權有沒有版權\n\n05:03.100 --> 05:20.369\n這就是文化部官員的表情面面相覷我可以告訴你們除了開源的emoji以外Emoji的版權屬於設計這組符號的供應商以巴黎文化奧運台灣館的主事節為例假如作者真的有使用或參考Apple的像不像\n\n05:24.036 --> 05:24.977\n可以看出來嗎?\n\n05:24.977 --> 05:42.632\n字額太小。左邊是Apple,右邊是文化部產出的成果。再來,左邊是Apple,右邊是文化部產出的結果。如果真的有使用或參考Apple的Emoji,必須諮詢Apple法律部門並申請表情符號的使用授權。\n\n05:43.573 --> 05:43.994\n目前沒有\n\n05:57.728 --> 06:15.707\n很好謝謝您的誠懇答覆此案其實是民眾陳情請文化部就本案emoji的授權請醒於一週內以書面方式回覆本席辦公室否則真的是設計要以死了最後一個案子還沒完超人特工隊還沒完剛剛很多人已經問了\n\n06:17.188 --> 06:41.855\n那剛剛部長也很誠懇的答覆我們不應該推給第一線那我直接問您一個問題部長能不能在此是否應該先代表文化部向原會師表示歉意不要推給第一線嘛沒有問題我願意代表文化部向原會師道歉我也願意向所有其實非常期待那個台灣有自己原創的人道歉\n\n06:44.576 --> 07:08.844\n謝謝部長接下來還是希望除了道歉以外要完成清查還有沒有台灣館的相關案例有涉及抄襲第二審查的流程未來能不能禁止這方面的事情再次發生另外有沒有行政的疏失也希望部長不是只有道歉我相信您的行動力也是很強的我們一起來努力再來還沒有結束請教一下部長這個我們就不放了剛剛都講過了\n\n07:11.186 --> 07:36.166\n這個影像我相信部長應該可以理解我真的是您的粉絲啦這個影像我真的是看到在投影片上我都感動會哭接下來要請教一下部長您是台灣新電影的重要推手之一那我也在無數的演講我自己的官方網站裡都隨時都放著楊德昌導演的電影對我的啟發那您也是這些導演的背後的一個非常重要的一個推手\n\n07:37.566 --> 07:57.453\n1980年代的時候您在一個社會氛圍非常嚴厲的情況之下你們竟然能夠一起團隊的去創造了台灣新電影的時期這個您曾經甚至有說過一句名言作品本身具有實驗性和原創性如果在票房上失敗了就算要拍8部拍10部都值得\n\n07:57.893 --> 08:17.095\n如果因為模仿抄襲而獲得的利潤並不值得鼓勵部長您今天以文化部部長的身份到立院備詢相隔40多年我想再次請教對電影來講最重要的東西到底是什麼是實驗性原創性利潤票房還是特效還是精美的畫質您的想法有改變嗎\n\n08:37.074 --> 09:04.205\n有限的經費裡面我們是非常鼓勵實驗電影的比如短片那個經費在有限不用面對觀眾的情況下我是非常支持拍實驗電影報告文化部部長那您剛好去檢討一下金鐘獎把那個短片變成只有60分鐘以上才能參賽我們之後再聊這個議題那我們來看一下這一本書會去台流文化黑草台流文化內容的躍升計畫不知道您有沒有看過\n\n09:05.545 --> 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