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00:00:43,397\n所以我們還是不要浪費時間就再去扯這些東西今天我們討論了不動產估價師修法土地法修法的一些相關的一些法條的修正大體上對於這些我們立法院好同事提出來的修法意見本期原則上都同意希望透過這個下午的法條討論的過程\n\n3\n00:00:45,098 --> 00:01:14,028\n能夠做一個更清楚的說明。但是常常我們都透過一些法律的修正大概去了解一些公共政策的一些背後的一些背景跟一些形成的一個現象。我們今天在看到這個蔡易餘委員提的土地法七十三條之一講說是未辦繼承的土地到最後就由國家來做標售。那標售的時候希望他是基於希望促進土地整合提高這個利用的機率也避免說這標售之後變成代替他沒辦法去使用等等的一些現實上的問題所以他希望擴大這個通知範圍\n\n4\n00:01:14,628 --> 00:01:36,153\n我想這修法方向是好的。我們詳細的怎麼來修本席都用開放的心態來看。但是藉這樣子的一個題目我們去探討繼承登記的問題。我想這件事情是值得內政部跟立法院這邊好好來做討論。根據內政部的統計資料來顯示,2023年全國未辦理繼承的土地,這個市長大概有個概念,大概多少?\n\n5\n00:01:37,486 --> 00:01:53,374\n我們大概有78萬6357幣那總面積大概有1萬7千多公頃接近1.8萬公頃對不對非常好喔資料準備得非常詳細喔這加起來比金門縣的面積都還要大對不對而未辦理七層的建屋面積喔這65萬坪對65萬坪喔所以說那為什麼會這樣\n\n6\n00:01:59,161 --> 00:02:16,042\n我想這個繼承的原因有很多啦第一個包括過說不知道祖先有留下來的那個然後再來就是說繼承人本身有眾多的不同的意見那還有他的座落的位置複雜然後不容易整合那或者是價值太低那沒有辦法充分利用等等這些原因\n\n7\n00:02:17,023 --> 00:02:31,484\n其實我們常常在基層上常碰到的狀況是其實第一個就是人口眾多難以整合啦是第二個就是不知所蹤嘛人不知道去哪裡了去國外啦或是怎麼樣怎樣一直久於聯絡這些都是常常遇到的狀況\n\n8\n00:02:32,225 --> 00:03:01,394\n那就本席的了解你這個要繼承一塊土地尤其是很多子女的一個情況之下要先有一個人出來辦繼承登記嘛讓這塊土地變成所謂的共同共有的一個情況然後大家再來做分割嘛對不對但是即便是這樣我們已經盡量簡化了你就先有一個人來辦我們在後續的程序變簡單但還是有這麼多的土地沒有辦法好好的進入大家理想中的這樣一個規範顯示即便這一個人要願意先站出來辦繼承登記其實客觀上的難度都蠻高的\n\n9\n00:03:02,054 --> 00:03:30,615\n市長,這一個人要來辦繼承登記的時候他要經歷哪些手續啊?哪些程序?跑哪幾關?沒問題基本上那個一個人可以幫所有繼承辦公同共有不過他就還是要報稅然後報完稅以後要就是立一些書面文件然後再送地政事務所辦登記對,好,書面文件來對不對而且你剛剛提到幾個概念第一個繳錢嘛這天經地義沒有這沒有問題第二個準備書表文件對不對哪些書表文件?\n\n10\n00:03:33,389 --> 00:03:53,060\n對,計程系統表、申請書、然後就是稅單這些。因為他是幫別人辦稅,只要清澈比較簡單一點。所以要跑戶政機關、稅務機關,然後要把這些資料交給地政機關對不對?這是本期今天關心的題目啦。其實這些事情講的簡單,恐怕實際上第一線在做起來蠻麻煩的。\n\n11\n00:03:54,341 --> 00:04:18,163\n錄了一個資料,我開一個補件的文件,你再拿到這裡去,然後你在那邊補一個東西。其實這個流程是非常冗長的,中間其實有很多障礙。那實際上很多人本來說我來辦一下好了,結果發現他很複雜,他很麻煩,他打了退堂鼓。那其實間接就導致了這個計程登記辦不下來,然後很多的閒置土地,變成了土地利用的不效率。\n\n12\n00:04:18,763 --> 00:04:45,055\n所以我覺得是不是內政部這邊來做一下你內部的這個跨部會的一個整合跨機關的一個整合這個戶政跟地政先做橫向聯繫都在你們內政部的範圍之內嘛那稅務當然是財政系統下面這我們理解但戶政、地政先做橫向聯繫哪些資料可以透過書表文件線上填寫雲端共享甚至讓他不用跑林桂辦理是不是可以研擬相關的方案來做這樣子的這個\n\n13\n00:04:46,295 --> 00:05:01,976\n降低他的負擔這第一個這部長又不願意花一點點時間做一下研究跟主席跟委員報告好謝謝委員吹詢其實相關的數位雲數位櫃檯我們現在做了那也謝謝委員的質詢讓更多人知道這件事情我們會大力去宣導\n\n14\n00:05:03,380 --> 00:05:30,367\n第二個是剛剛我們就講稅的部分當然今天因為相關單位沒有來列席當然我們就姑且討論一下就是說現在的狀況就是說我要先按我還先這個我來辦紀念登記的時候我要先處理我的印記分他的遺產稅款嘛他如果這一塊土地有違規使用什麼你要繳罰款、自納金、利息啊以及等等對不對那有繳錢的問題我要把這個問題處理完我才有辦法拿到同意遺傳證明書嘛我才有辦法去辦這樣子一個流程喔那其他人就是註記嘛\n\n15\n00:05:31,508 --> 00:05:39,969\n為繳清遺產稅不得散發所有權狀但這一樣嘛這個其實這個我想會有一些這有它有一定的必要性嘛是\n\n16\n00:05:40,991 --> 00:06:02,413\n因為這個土地所有權是私權。私權就有所謂所得稅的問題,或者是土地所有稅的問題。我們基於稍微公平正義還是需要做的。我同意,基本上當然稅是要繳的啦。但是一樣,我希望這一部分也比照戶政跟地政的橫向串聯。看有沒有一個相對簡單的一個機制來處理。目前有沒有一些研擬的方向?\n\n17\n00:06:03,325 --> 00:06:03,345\n蘇貴昌議員\n\n18\n00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:26,201\n則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員\n\n19\n00:06:45,084 --> 00:07:03,294\n同樣回到我們剛剛那個問題就是說大家最後都沒有人願意去先做那個第一個人去辦那個登記計程對不對那是不是有這個機會就是說我如果暫時沒有能力或者是不願意繳納的時候我是不是也有可能用注記的方式先處理但是我不要耽誤相關辦這個登記的行政流程這我只是請教我們做一下對話做一下交換的意見\n\n20\n00:07:04,995 --> 00:07:30,565\n有沒有機會這樣的辦法還是把這個程序走完了但是因為你沒有繳納遺傳稅跟相關的稅款你當然是不能做後續的分割跟處分嘛對不對這個絕對是鐵律啦這個我完全願意接受但前面是不是有必要一定要把它處理完你才能辦這個這個登記計程這個行政流程這件事我覺得可以討論一下對啊按照目前的稅法是一定要先繳清這個稅對你才有辦法完成這個程序嘛你才有辦法完成這個所有權的遺傳嘛\n\n21\n00:07:32,291 --> 00:07:38,310\n對,那這個部分我想我們可以再跟那個稅法單位來研議看看啦。\n\n22\n00:07:38,837 --> 00:08:01,927\n好啦沒關係這個題目其實蠻複雜的但是大方向我們是希望簡正辨明嘛讓這個東西可以先把複雜的行政流程簡化讓大家的意願提高你才有辦法從根本嘛我們鼓勵這個私有的事應該私有來處理而不是通通等在政府飆售其實不太對的但是簡化流程護證機關、力證機關的串聯稅務的部分看有沒有一些調整的方法\n\n23\n00:08:02,307 --> 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這個其實 這個我想會有一些 這有 它有一定的必要性嘛 是\n340991\t362413\t因為這個土地所有權是私權。私權就有所謂所得稅的問題,或者是土地所有稅的問題。我們基於稍微公平正義還是需要做的。我同意,基本上當然稅是要繳的啦。但是一樣,我希望這一部分也比照戶政跟地政的橫向串聯。看有沒有一個相對簡單的一個機制來處理。目前有沒有一些研擬的方向?\n363325\t363345\t蘇貴昌議員\n385100\t386201\t則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員\n405084\t423294\t同樣回到我們剛剛那個問題就是說大家最後都沒有人願意去先做那個第一個人去辦那個登記計程對不對那是不是有這個機會就是說我如果暫時沒有能力或者是不願意繳納的時候我是不是也有可能用注記的方式先處理但是我不要耽誤相關辦這個登記的行政流程這我只是請教我們做一下對話做一下交換的意見\n424995\t450565\t有沒有機會這樣的辦法還是把這個程序走完了但是因為你沒有繳納遺傳稅跟相關的稅款你當然是不能做後續的分割跟處分嘛 對不對這個絕對是鐵律啦 這個我完全願意接受但前面是不是有必要一定要把它處理完你才能辦這個這個登記計程這個行政流程這件事我覺得可以討論一下對啊按照目前的稅法是一定要先繳清這個稅對你才有辦法完成這個程序嘛你才有辦法完成這個所有權的遺傳嘛\n452291\t458310\t對,那這個部分我想我們可以再跟那個稅法單位來研議看看啦。\n458837\t481927\t好啦沒關係這個題目其實蠻複雜的但是大方向我們是希望簡正辨明嘛讓這個東西可以先把複雜的行政流程簡化讓大家的意願提高你才有辦法從根本嘛我們鼓勵這個私有的事應該私有來處理而不是通通等在政府飆售其實不太對的但是簡化流程護證機關、力證機關的串聯稅務的部分看有沒有一些調整的方法\n482307\t494863\t如果沒有辦法那也只要把話講清楚但無論如何串聯的工作希望內政部這邊來加強處理把這個問題解決掉,可以嗎?謝謝委員的諮詢那本部的部分我們會先勾結很棒,謝謝市長好,謝謝我們牛煦庭委員的諮詢,謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,這個內政部次長有請。好,請我們次長。謝謝。次長早安,不用擔心,我不會問你早餐吃什麼。我想國會議員如果用這種私事,然後要來講什麼藐視國會,這個社會大眾也絕對不會接受。這個在內部形成調查小組的時候也絕對不會成立。這我想基本上是屬於常識。\n所以我們還是不要浪費時間就再去扯這些東西今天我們討論了不動產估價師修法土地法修法的一些相關的一些法條的修正大體上對於這些我們立法院好同事提出來的修法意見本期原則上都同意希望透過這個下午的法條討論的過程\n能夠做一個更清楚的說明。但是常常我們都透過一些法律的修正大概去了解一些公共政策的一些背後的一些背景跟一些形成的一個現象。我們今天在看到這個蔡易餘委員提的土地法七十三條之一講說是未辦繼承的土地到最後就由國家來做標售。那標售的時候希望他是基於希望促進土地整合提高這個利用的機率也避免說這標售之後變成代替他沒辦法去使用等等的一些現實上的問題所以他希望擴大這個通知範圍\n我想這修法方向是好的。我們詳細的怎麼來修本席都用開放的心態來看。但是藉這樣子的一個題目我們去探討繼承登記的問題。我想這件事情是值得內政部跟立法院這邊好好來做討論。根據內政部的統計資料來顯示,2023年全國未辦理繼承的土地,這個市長大概有個概念,大概多少?\n我們大概有78萬6357幣那總面積大概有1萬7千多公頃接近1.8萬公頃對不對非常好喔資料準備得非常詳細喔這加起來比金門縣的面積都還要大對不對而未辦理七層的建屋面積喔這65萬坪對65萬坪喔所以說那為什麼會這樣\n我想這個繼承的原因有很多啦第一個包括過說不知道祖先有留下來的那個然後再來就是說繼承人本身有眾多的不同的意見那還有他的座落的位置複雜然後不容易整合那或者是價值太低那沒有辦法充分利用等等這些原因\n其實我們常常在基層上常碰到的狀況是其實第一個就是人口眾多難以整合啦是第二個就是不知所蹤嘛人不知道去哪裡了去國外啦或是怎麼樣怎樣一直久於聯絡這些都是常常遇到的狀況\n那就本席的了解你這個要繼承一塊土地尤其是很多子女的一個情況之下要先有一個人出來辦繼承登記嘛讓這塊土地變成所謂的共同共有的一個情況然後大家再來做分割嘛對不對但是即便是這樣我們已經盡量簡化了你就先有一個人來辦我們在後續的程序變簡單但還是有這麼多的土地沒有辦法好好的進入大家理想中的這樣一個規範顯示即便這一個人要願意先站出來辦繼承登記其實客觀上的難度都蠻高的\n市長,這一個人要來辦繼承登記的時候他要經歷哪些手續啊?哪些程序?跑哪幾關?沒問題基本上那個一個人可以幫所有繼承辦公同共有不過他就還是要報稅然後報完稅以後要就是立一些書面文件然後再送地政事務所辦登記對,好,書面文件來對不對而且你剛剛提到幾個概念第一個繳錢嘛這天經地義沒有這沒有問題第二個準備書表文件對不對哪些書表文件?\n對,計程系統表、申請書、然後就是稅單這些。因為他是幫別人辦稅,只要清澈比較簡單一點。所以要跑戶政機關、稅務機關,然後要把這些資料交給地政機關對不對?這是本期今天關心的題目啦。其實這些事情講的簡單,恐怕實際上第一線在做起來蠻麻煩的。\n錄了一個資料,我開一個補件的文件,你再拿到這裡去,然後你在那邊補一個東西。其實這個流程是非常冗長的,中間其實有很多障礙。那實際上很多人本來說我來辦一下好了,結果發現他很複雜,他很麻煩,他打了退堂鼓。那其實間接就導致了這個計程登記辦不下來,然後很多的閒置土地,變成了土地利用的不效率。\n所以我覺得是不是內政部這邊來做一下你內部的這個跨部會的一個整合跨機關的一個整合這個戶政跟地政先做橫向聯繫都在你們內政部的範圍之內嘛那稅務當然是財政系統下面這我們理解但戶政、地政先做橫向聯繫哪些資料可以透過書表文件線上填寫雲端共享甚至讓他不用跑林桂辦理是不是可以研擬相關的方案來做這樣子的這個\n降低他的負擔這第一個這部長又不願意花一點點時間做一下研究跟主席跟委員報告好謝謝委員吹詢其實相關的數位雲數位櫃檯我們現在做了那也謝謝委員的質詢讓更多人知道這件事情我們會大力去宣導\n第二個是剛剛我們就講稅的部分當然今天因為相關單位沒有來列席當然我們就姑且討論一下就是說現在的狀況就是說我要先按我還先這個我來辦紀念登記的時候我要先處理我的印記分他的遺產稅款嘛他如果這一塊土地有違規使用什麼你要繳罰款、自納金、利息啊以及等等對不對那有繳錢的問題我要把這個問題處理完我才有辦法拿到同意遺傳證明書嘛我才有辦法去辦這樣子一個流程喔那其他人就是註記嘛\n為繳清遺產稅不得散發所有權狀但這一樣嘛 這個其實 這個我想會有一些 這有 它有一定的必要性嘛 是\n因為這個土地所有權是私權。私權就有所謂所得稅的問題,或者是土地所有稅的問題。我們基於稍微公平正義還是需要做的。我同意,基本上當然稅是要繳的啦。但是一樣,我希望這一部分也比照戶政跟地政的橫向串聯。看有沒有一個相對簡單的一個機制來處理。目前有沒有一些研擬的方向?\n蘇貴昌議員\n則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員\n同樣回到我們剛剛那個問題就是說大家最後都沒有人願意去先做那個第一個人去辦那個登記計程對不對那是不是有這個機會就是說我如果暫時沒有能力或者是不願意繳納的時候我是不是也有可能用注記的方式先處理但是我不要耽誤相關辦這個登記的行政流程這我只是請教我們做一下對話做一下交換的意見\n有沒有機會這樣的辦法還是把這個程序走完了但是因為你沒有繳納遺傳稅跟相關的稅款你當然是不能做後續的分割跟處分嘛 對不對這個絕對是鐵律啦 這個我完全願意接受但前面是不是有必要一定要把它處理完你才能辦這個這個登記計程這個行政流程這件事我覺得可以討論一下對啊按照目前的稅法是一定要先繳清這個稅對你才有辦法完成這個程序嘛你才有辦法完成這個所有權的遺傳嘛\n對,那這個部分我想我們可以再跟那個稅法單位來研議看看啦。\n好啦沒關係這個題目其實蠻複雜的但是大方向我們是希望簡正辨明嘛讓這個東西可以先把複雜的行政流程簡化讓大家的意願提高你才有辦法從根本嘛我們鼓勵這個私有的事應該私有來處理而不是通通等在政府飆售其實不太對的但是簡化流程護證機關、力證機關的串聯稅務的部分看有沒有一些調整的方法\n如果沒有辦法那也只要把話講清楚但無論如何串聯的工作希望內政部這邊來加強處理把這個問題解決掉,可以嗎?謝謝委員的諮詢那本部的部分我們會先勾結很棒,謝謝市長好,謝謝我們牛煦庭委員的諮詢,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.329 --> 00:05.552\n謝謝主席,這個內政部次長有請。好,請我們次長。謝謝。次長早安,不用擔心,我不會問你早餐吃什麼。我想國會議員如果用這種私事,然後要來講什麼藐視國會,這個社會大眾也絕對不會接受。這個在內部形成調查小組的時候也絕對不會成立。這我想基本上是屬於常識。\n\n00:28.403 --> 00:43.397\n所以我們還是不要浪費時間就再去扯這些東西今天我們討論了不動產估價師修法土地法修法的一些相關的一些法條的修正大體上對於這些我們立法院好同事提出來的修法意見本期原則上都同意希望透過這個下午的法條討論的過程\n\n00:45.098 --> 01:14.028\n能夠做一個更清楚的說明。但是常常我們都透過一些法律的修正大概去了解一些公共政策的一些背後的一些背景跟一些形成的一個現象。我們今天在看到這個蔡易餘委員提的土地法七十三條之一講說是未辦繼承的土地到最後就由國家來做標售。那標售的時候希望他是基於希望促進土地整合提高這個利用的機率也避免說這標售之後變成代替他沒辦法去使用等等的一些現實上的問題所以他希望擴大這個通知範圍\n\n01:14.628 --> 01:36.153\n我想這修法方向是好的。我們詳細的怎麼來修本席都用開放的心態來看。但是藉這樣子的一個題目我們去探討繼承登記的問題。我想這件事情是值得內政部跟立法院這邊好好來做討論。根據內政部的統計資料來顯示,2023年全國未辦理繼承的土地,這個市長大概有個概念,大概多少?\n\n01:37.486 --> 01:53.374\n我們大概有78萬6357幣那總面積大概有1萬7千多公頃接近1.8萬公頃對不對非常好喔資料準備得非常詳細喔這加起來比金門縣的面積都還要大對不對而未辦理七層的建屋面積喔這65萬坪對65萬坪喔所以說那為什麼會這樣\n\n01:59.161 --> 02:16.042\n我想這個繼承的原因有很多啦第一個包括過說不知道祖先有留下來的那個然後再來就是說繼承人本身有眾多的不同的意見那還有他的座落的位置複雜然後不容易整合那或者是價值太低那沒有辦法充分利用等等這些原因\n\n02:17.023 --> 02:31.484\n其實我們常常在基層上常碰到的狀況是其實第一個就是人口眾多難以整合啦是第二個就是不知所蹤嘛人不知道去哪裡了去國外啦或是怎麼樣怎樣一直久於聯絡這些都是常常遇到的狀況\n\n02:32.225 --> 03:01.394\n那就本席的了解你這個要繼承一塊土地尤其是很多子女的一個情況之下要先有一個人出來辦繼承登記嘛讓這塊土地變成所謂的共同共有的一個情況然後大家再來做分割嘛對不對但是即便是這樣我們已經盡量簡化了你就先有一個人來辦我們在後續的程序變簡單但還是有這麼多的土地沒有辦法好好的進入大家理想中的這樣一個規範顯示即便這一個人要願意先站出來辦繼承登記其實客觀上的難度都蠻高的\n\n03:02.054 --> 03:30.615\n市長,這一個人要來辦繼承登記的時候他要經歷哪些手續啊?哪些程序?跑哪幾關?沒問題基本上那個一個人可以幫所有繼承辦公同共有不過他就還是要報稅然後報完稅以後要就是立一些書面文件然後再送地政事務所辦登記對,好,書面文件來對不對而且你剛剛提到幾個概念第一個繳錢嘛這天經地義沒有這沒有問題第二個準備書表文件對不對哪些書表文件?\n\n03:33.389 --> 03:53.060\n對,計程系統表、申請書、然後就是稅單這些。因為他是幫別人辦稅,只要清澈比較簡單一點。所以要跑戶政機關、稅務機關,然後要把這些資料交給地政機關對不對?這是本期今天關心的題目啦。其實這些事情講的簡單,恐怕實際上第一線在做起來蠻麻煩的。\n\n03:54.341 --> 04:18.163\n錄了一個資料,我開一個補件的文件,你再拿到這裡去,然後你在那邊補一個東西。其實這個流程是非常冗長的,中間其實有很多障礙。那實際上很多人本來說我來辦一下好了,結果發現他很複雜,他很麻煩,他打了退堂鼓。那其實間接就導致了這個計程登記辦不下來,然後很多的閒置土地,變成了土地利用的不效率。\n\n04:18.763 --> 04:45.055\n所以我覺得是不是內政部這邊來做一下你內部的這個跨部會的一個整合跨機關的一個整合這個戶政跟地政先做橫向聯繫都在你們內政部的範圍之內嘛那稅務當然是財政系統下面這我們理解但戶政、地政先做橫向聯繫哪些資料可以透過書表文件線上填寫雲端共享甚至讓他不用跑林桂辦理是不是可以研擬相關的方案來做這樣子的這個\n\n04:46.295 --> 05:01.976\n降低他的負擔這第一個這部長又不願意花一點點時間做一下研究跟主席跟委員報告好謝謝委員吹詢其實相關的數位雲數位櫃檯我們現在做了那也謝謝委員的質詢讓更多人知道這件事情我們會大力去宣導\n\n05:03.380 --> 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