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00:02:33,323\n持續再加強員警的教育訓練面對於整個車廂如果發生劣勢這種案件的時候我們可以同仁如果去應變跟即時處理另外在平常勤務的部分我們都會有除了像在鐵路警察局他們有護車隊以外像在其他的捷運處所或高鐵的處所我們相關重要站所都會有人同仁在定時會到車廂去做巡邏\n\n8\n00:02:34,193 --> 00:02:49,900\n現在的問題是我們現在政府在強力的推動TPAS希望大家多利用這個捷運系統但是昨天發生這樣的事情之後我們發覺現在八成大眾捷運交通的人非常的多但是遇到這樣的事情專是在中部地區\n\n9\n00:02:51,061 --> 00:03:16,498\n如果現在我們的TPAS是不是還串聯可能是各個生活圈不同的所以說相對上人力就覺得更為重要所以說在這個部分本席就建議說如果假如跨越不同的這個縣市而且市全不同意的話到時候可能會互相去推諉各自的這個權限是什麼所以我覺得內政部是不是考慮應該成立一個TPAS的警察隊專門管理大眾捷運系統的乘客\n\n10\n00:03:16,878 --> 00:03:24,463\n關於跨越縣市的部分像在台北市雙北的部分它本身是由台北市政府警察局的檢驗檢查隊來負責相關檢驗的部分那像在基解的部分它跨越從台北、新北到桃園它是由桃園的檢驗檢查隊來負責全縣的所以針對有跨越區的部分我們已經有指定一個專責的檢驗檢查隊去負責\n\n11\n00:03:47,098 --> 00:03:47,999\n則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員．\n\n12\n00:04:10,090 --> 00:04:36,106\n另外請請教一下我們針對土地法第十四條的規定就民生古蹟土地不得為私有那現在要修法讓行政法人跟公營事業單位可以登記民生古蹟的土地行政法人和公營事業單位是由政府出資捐助成立或者是直接掌控本席想請問這兩個機構算不算私有就法律體力來看修正這一條合適嗎請法務部廖參事說明\n\n13\n00:04:42,971 --> 00:05:09,523\n委員好那依照土地法的規定他的所謂的公有的土地指的是國有還有直轄市跟縣市政府跟鄉鎮就是地方自治團體所有那行政法人跟國營事業並不屬於土地法所列的這個公有的土地啦所以我想他這樣的一個規範有跟公有土地做差異性的規範\n\n14\n00:05:10,533 --> 00:05:25,205\n所以說修正這一條您覺得合適嗎?政策的部分我還是尊重主管機關這邊我是說法治上它不屬於公有土地所以它的制定是有它的差異化的這個價值\n\n15\n00:05:25,981 --> 00:05:53,954\n好,那請教一下針對這個部分的話待會請教次長一下就是說因為民生古蹟的土地不得為私有那但是呢在我們的文資法第二條有規定文化資產的保存維護宣揚跟權利的移轉是依本法之規定但是呢因為土地法是歸我們這個內政部那文資法是歸文化部那請問一下針對民生古蹟的權利的移轉到底要依照哪一個法令辦理\n\n16\n00:05:55,602 --> 00:06:16,257\n針對民生古蹟相關的法的權益我們基本上是基於法人及國運事業為公共事務所成立的為國家所掌控所以在土地上的使用基本上還是歸國家所有但是古蹟的最終的管理權跟使用權是由文資法依文資法來處理我們法令上是很明確\n\n17\n00:06:17,586 --> 00:06:43,803\n所以說以這個來說的話就是以這個土地的部分是內政部然後法律的部分是文資文化部這邊來處理是嗎那因為我覺得這個部分可能針對這一條在修正方面我覺得可能要特別的謹慎一下為什麼呢因為你看我們最近發生的不管是這個這個陽明交通大學想要把竹北區的這個原來的這個我們的六張梨聚落的客庄傳統的建築群要改為這個\n\n18\n00:06:46,204 --> 00:06:46,884\n則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員．\n\n19\n00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:35,133\n謝謝委員垂詢那委員所提醒的我們會注意那也跟委員報告古蹟及名勝等相關的重點重要據點依文化資產保護法會由文化部做最終的裁決相關的文化資產或者是古蹟不得任意破壞也是由文化部在文資法裡面明定我們一定要遵守法令的規範即使是行政法人或國營事業也不得違背文資法\n\n20\n00:07:36,585 --> 00:07:36,845\n謝謝委員提醒\n\n21\n00:08:05,632 --> 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--> 03:24.463\n關於跨越縣市的部分像在台北市雙北的部分它本身是由台北市政府警察局的檢驗檢查隊來負責相關檢驗的部分那像在基解的部分它跨越從台北、新北到桃園它是由桃園的檢驗檢查隊來負責全縣的所以針對有跨越區的部分我們已經有指定一個專責的檢驗檢查隊去負責\n\n03:47.098 --> 03:47.999\n則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員．\n\n04:10.090 --> 04:36.106\n另外請請教一下我們針對土地法第十四條的規定就民生古蹟土地不得為私有那現在要修法讓行政法人跟公營事業單位可以登記民生古蹟的土地行政法人和公營事業單位是由政府出資捐助成立或者是直接掌控本席想請問這兩個機構算不算私有就法律體力來看修正這一條合適嗎請法務部廖參事說明\n\n04:42.971 --> 05:09.523\n委員好那依照土地法的規定他的所謂的公有的土地指的是國有還有直轄市跟縣市政府跟鄉鎮就是地方自治團體所有那行政法人跟國營事業並不屬於土地法所列的這個公有的土地啦所以我想他這樣的一個規範有跟公有土地做差異性的規範\n\n05:10.533 --> 05:25.205\n所以說修正這一條您覺得合適嗎?政策的部分我還是尊重主管機關這邊我是說法治上它不屬於公有土地所以它的制定是有它的差異化的這個價值\n\n05:25.981 --> 05:53.954\n好,那請教一下針對這個部分的話待會請教次長一下就是說因為民生古蹟的土地不得為私有那但是呢在我們的文資法第二條有規定文化資產的保存維護宣揚跟權利的移轉是依本法之規定但是呢因為土地法是歸我們這個內政部那文資法是歸文化部那請問一下針對民生古蹟的權利的移轉到底要依照哪一個法令辦理\n\n05:55.602 --> 06:16.257\n針對民生古蹟相關的法的權益我們基本上是基於法人及國運事業為公共事務所成立的為國家所掌控所以在土地上的使用基本上還是歸國家所有但是古蹟的最終的管理權跟使用權是由文資法依文資法來處理我們法令上是很明確\n\n06:17.586 --> 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