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00:01:11,301\n那原本在第三次會議呢必須要去討論到碳費率的問題但是我們沒有辦法提出所以我們預估會在第四次會議你們的第四次會議會提出會嗎?會不會再演?我也想請次長也一起來會不會?\n\n4\n00:01:16,831 --> 00:01:28,201\n第三次來不及第四次會不會?不會不會我們第四次確認我們會把費率各種不同費率的評估方案都提出來在第四次嗎?第四次會預計什麼時間?我們現在在調查委員們6月底跟7月初可以開會的時間\n\n5\n00:01:34,727 --> 00:01:50,908\n就7月初可以開第1次的第4次的會議第4次的會議那麼也會在碳費率的部分會併案會納入去討論會我們把我們會把那個不同費率的這個衝擊影響評估都一起啊房間有說\n\n6\n00:01:51,889 --> 00:02:19,756\n我們的碳費要收會延後一年在經濟委員會討論的時候那經濟相關單位似乎也有這個方向當然一切要等到我們的碳費率最後決定怎麼樣去做決定因為排版定案是在部長你這邊所以這個進度我們初步有一個瞭解所以因此剛剛部長你說了你希望要多元的工具\n\n7\n00:02:21,056 --> 00:02:21,377\n你也說過\n\n8\n00:02:38,476 --> 00:03:05,508\n你會參考攤費的部分你會參考美國的租稅這個遞減日本的發行氣候債券那甚至你剛才說的新加坡的方案綜合世界各國所以因此你要讓棍子跟蘿蔔一起發揮效用這個許了這個方向是很好喔那要怎麼執行呢要怎麼執行呢\n\n9\n00:03:06,528 --> 00:03:33,086\n報告委員這個的確是一個難題因為租稅的減免在臺灣對於氣候變遷沒有過然後發行這個氣候拆卷像日本climaticbond他們發了8000多億在2月的時候臺灣也沒有過所以我的確現在在說服幾位的閣員我們來研究看看這件事情可以怎麼走部長你談到這裡本強是告訴你務實的去做沒錯我們雖然可以拿全世界各國這非常好\n\n10\n00:03:33,846 --> 00:03:41,813\n但是你自己根基基本盤沒有好什麼都不用講你今天跟產業對話你預計要什麼時候跟產業對話產業已經好緊張欸產業好緊張欸我怎麼辦我連時間點都要追蹤欸那你什麼時候有沒有規劃你要跟產業對話有沒有\n\n11\n00:03:54,063 --> 00:04:05,629\n呃我隨時都是跟產業在互動啦報告委員其實委員其實真的產業你隨時在這裡回答都有錄音錄影你不要隨便回答什麼叫隨時現在不是報報氣象啊是是好嗎好沒問題不可以這樣回答的\n\n12\n00:04:12,659 --> 00:04:33,266\n你有沒有預估因為你剛就職第二天我也謝謝你就直接就這個章偉邀請你就來那因為這個議題非常重要所以本席是建議你你什麼時候要跟產業來去了解探討因為你首批的探費徵收你的對象是\n\n13\n00:04:35,314 --> 00:04:57,197\n這個排蛋量超過2.5萬公噸的產業所以因此你的徵收對象你的標準你的徵收方式那你要怎麼去規劃中長期你要怎麼規劃這個是你的功課欸但是你的功課你對象你不跟他對談那你去這怎麼辦啊你沒有對象你怎麼執行啊\n\n14\n00:04:58,683 --> 00:05:04,688\n你有沒有考慮在你就職之後跟產業對話瞭解產業的需求因為六月七月初就要開第四次會議因為這個議題部長我們之前每一次我們一直很詳實理性的在討論所以我也要把這個告訴你\n\n15\n00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:22,181\n5月10日、5月14日、5月15日、5月17日、17日上午下午都有,包含了電子業、紡織業、造紙業、水泥業,其實要徵收500家一定要對話\n\n16\n00:05:45,274 --> 00:06:11,235\n因為未來執行是他們一定要對話你的政策一定要能夠落實你制定一個政策沒有辦法落實那這個會社會大亂欸產業界不可以亂欸這是我們的命脈欸報告委員我觀察是很多的大家對於碳費的認知或是碳定價的認知有一些誤解所以我們也希望用這個機會讓大家知道所以你們對話把你們這7場次討論的方向\n\n17\n00:06:15,298 --> 00:06:30,653\n產業的需求是如何請詳時順便資料給本席我們一起繼續好好的來協助達到三贏的政策那接下來本席要請教本席要請教就是說能源的政策供電不穩能源配比\n\n18\n00:06:31,721 --> 00:06:52,907\n我們臺中的火力化電廠八成是煤雖然遞減第一滴滴滴滴滴我們很期待中部人用廢發電已經貢獻良多了不可以再欺負我們所以在這樣的一個情況之下請教2025年的非核家園這一個政策會不會拿出來重新討論請教部長\n\n19\n00:06:55,524 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