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00:03:05,001\n所以委員的那個提示是非常對就是其實發展並不是去監理化這兩個是雙軌並進就是說我們對市場剛才講對公司的行為監理、公司治理、資本氏族這些沒有放鬆的理由但是呢我們對未來新市場的發展這個還有就是說我們持續的做法規鬆綁\n\n9\n00:03:06,101 --> 00:03:07,682\n您的說法是如此但是以金管會現在不賦予啊\n\n10\n00:03:45,933 --> 00:04:14,519\n所以說我是認為你在這個部分的宣誓應該寫得更講得更清楚不要讓外界有過度的期待可以嗎可以可以好彭主委這個部分希望你能夠講得更清楚更明白另外一個部分呢有關於本席一直關心的我在4月1號的時候在聯席委員會的時候就要求國會要創造一個平台國會已經創造一個平台也就是如何把海外的受險基金引進我看過您的大作\n\n11\n00:04:15,219 --> 00:04:40,980\n你說受險基金要投入公件有兩大因素一是專案時間二是報酬要穩定但是以受險業來說它就是沒有案源那報酬也不穩定的情況底下那我就教於彭主委這個部分要怎麼處理接下來國發會又要開會了接下來又有平台會議了接下來您的主張是什麼有沒有具體的方式把你學者之見形成一個政策知識啊\n\n12\n00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:48,911\n這是我努力的方向確實保險業在過去我們大家社會期待這個將近35兆的資金能夠留在臺灣當然臺灣的資本市場還投資標的不夠這是確實的那過去在\n\n13\n00:04:57,583 --> 00:05:24,509\n在金管會對保險投資的法規鬆綁已經做了非常大的空間但是沒有暗員這也是最近我跟國發會跟其他各個部會非常密集的在那邊討論這件事情我們一定要趕快創造可以被你先腦袋中有沒有具體的解釋比如說我們現在可以類似發債的方式先用比如說我們具有自償性的用發債的方式再來比如說我們把一些公件發債的那個利率呢\n\n14\n00:05:25,490 --> 00:05:45,230\n對,利率的部分我們可以再來現在銀行利率比發財的利率還低啊他取得資金很容易啊對,這個確實是那再來就是有關一些所謂的我們看看有沒有可能把一些公件部分來做證券化這部分呢我們透過金管會這邊來協助能不能做一些我們就要討論啊對啊\n\n15\n00:05:46,991 --> 00:06:10,984\n對這個需要按援這個按援需要跨部會來處理這個是非常非常重要你可能要再想清楚一點有具體的操作方式會比較可行我覺得這個部分還有有待於你大力的努力將來我們還有機會做進一步的探討還有另外本席一直倡議的所謂的金融科技局你今天在媒體上回應了所謂的金融創新處\n\n16\n00:06:12,185 --> 00:06:17,239\n但是呢你三個處多一個處剛剛呢有委員問你你的人員編制有沒有增加\n\n17\n00:06:18,732 --> 00:06:19,653\n主委其實很多事情要先跨出第一步因為\n\n18\n00:06:46,235 --> 00:07:14,397\n我剛才跟那個委員報告過因為我們現在社局牽動到中央部會的組織我知道人事總署說當中到底還沒有二次機關本席也就有去打聽過了好像空間相對有限但是整個行政院的主改過程當中過往財經部門不曾主改你有沒有印象幾乎這一段時間幾乎不曾主改也就是說你是不是大體來想你是不是思考一個比較長期性的一個政策規劃當中來作為一個思考\n\n19\n00:07:16,858 --> 00:07:43,710\n因為最近行政院有提出啊要將體育署成格為體育部啊也就是將來還有整體一個主改的計畫嘛當這個主改計畫來臨的時候你就要適時的推出這個整個財經部門金管會的位階是否要提升從會提升為部那部的部分組織的編制就可以增加編制可以增加人員可以增加你的業務推動才有比較有可能順遂的可能嘛是\n\n20\n00:07:44,691 --> 00:07:59,845\n這個確實是我們長遠的規劃的想法所以說你有期待把這個處變成部囉這個倒不敢我現在是至少未來如果有可能成為先有局先有局這個概念是我們可能未來想要規劃先有局\n\n21\n00:08:00,566 --> 00:08:27,218\n先有局當然是一個好啊先有處先有局先有部你現在是循序漸進的方式來處理但是這是由下而上的方式也有由上而下的方式啊不是嗎這也是一個思考我們會來講對那你應該做一個整體的規劃嘛創造你這個主改的正當性嘛是不過你一路的哀求人事總處那邊也不一定會施放多少人力給你啊不是嗎我們大家內行的嘛都比較白嘛對不對\n\n22\n00:08:27,958 --> 00:08:48,334\n啊如果是這樣子你不如由上而下速度會比較快一點啊謝謝可不可以從這邊來進行規劃主委好我覺得這是可以來思考方向對啊你要趕快進行主導而不是隨便弄一個金融創新數來俘虜本席而且最重要的是你後面具體的做法過往啊\n\n23\n00:08:48,934 --> 00:09:02,500\n在整個金融創新處本席之所以會那麼的care的原因是因為譬如講以我們的沙盒實驗啊我們沙盒實驗都希望業者去啊\n\n24\n00:09:04,060 --> 00:09:32,341\n將就於既有的法令但是呢卻沒有要求業者去創造一個新的業別的可能性因為你將就既有回應因為跟既有的業者有所競爭嘛我今天很開心你提出你要針對一個沙盒的一個這個創新的這個條例對不對這個是有具體作為的當你有這樣的法的時候你更需要有這樣的人員的編制啊不是嗎那你現在如果通過這個條例之後你的KPI有多少呢\n\n25\n00:09:33,041 --> 00:09:43,643\n你希望能夠增加多少?最近沙盒實驗裡頭幾乎都沒有成功的案例啊!幾乎啦!所以我們現在會來大力推動我們的三頁的事辦\n\n26\n00:09:44,451 --> 00:10:08,361\n好那本席期待你的具體的作為我做一個廣泛性的提醒而且這個金融創新書當中還有一個虛擬貨幣的一個問題這虛擬貨幣的部分本席就一再的強調你們不要過度的自我限縮你們不要想要採取深度的監管應該採取廣度的監管也就是說你們現在納入所謂的這一個\n\n27\n00:10:09,341 --> 00:10:26,909\n那個法尊的申請當中才進行20家左右明明還有60幾家之多主委我請問你一下你有沒有可能進行廣度的一個監管把這個其他業者申請當中你說快速的納入有沒有可能這個部分我們已經透過那個政績局跟櫃買在做審查了我們想說這個我們會趕快來朝向開放\n\n28\n00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:42,089\n對不對就是因為社會有對納管的這個這樣的期待你既然第一個任務是要打詐的話你這一個問題就不能迴避而且要積極處理第一個本席建議你\n\n29\n00:10:43,410 --> 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00:11:09,570\n有關剛剛講的資料在後補提供\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4527\t9600\t主席謝謝有請新任的彭主委請彭主委\n14955\t38960\t首先就較於有關新光人壽的這個部分那新光人壽因為這個增資不足被上任的主委黃天牧黃主委進行行政處分而這樣的行政處分呢這個戴保生戴董事長不服他尋求行政救濟那我想要問您的基本立場你是希望維持原處分呢還是希望能夠協助他撤令處\n42492\t64226\t主委,你回答啦我只想問他是不是真的有來做訴願現在我們是還沒收到他的訴願書但是就是說我們現在是依法來處罰啦那這部分當然人民當然是有訴願的權利我們現在沒有收到他的訴願書我是問您的立場,你是維持原來行政處分還是會協助他撤令處\n65410\t89658\t如果現在的當然站在金管會立場我們會支持現在的處分一直處分到他爭執為止嗎是是這也是保險法的規定就是RBC的部分呢都不能打折扣就是維持黃天牧、黃龜、彭水這個是保險法的規定我問你是不是這件事情是黃龜、彭水啊這個我們已經金管會已經做出裁處是不是一樣\n90738\t91419\t黃天牧主委過於強調監管而缺乏發展\n107634\t131349\t或許外界就對你的期待就希望你將來能夠在發展的面向多出一點力所以你今天特別就金管會方向當中你就特別強調了安全與發展這兩個面向可是我本席在這邊提醒你監管是否太嚴是否要鬆綁是否是要去管制化\n132510\t160391\t這是要扣合著發展現在外界聽到了您的任命一片叫好充滿期待他們期待什麼他們期待是你鬆綁啊他們期待什麼他們期待你去管制啊他們只期待這個不是期待真正的發展本席想要請問你啊這有關安全跟發展之間的界限啊您能拿捏尺度到底如何你要如何發展你至少講一些基本原則啊你不要讓外界過度的期待嘛好不好\n160871\t185001\t所以委員的那個提示是非常對就是其實發展並不是去監理化這兩個是雙軌並進就是說我們對市場剛才講對公司的行為監理、公司治理、資本氏族這些沒有放鬆的理由但是呢我們對未來新市場的發展這個還有就是說我們持續的做法規鬆綁\n186101\t187682\t您的說法是如此但是以金管會現在不賦予啊\n204770\t225913\t﹗\n225933\t254519\t所以說我是認為你在這個部分的宣誓應該寫得更講得更清楚不要讓外界有過度的期待可以嗎可以可以好彭主委這個部分希望你能夠講得更清楚更明白另外一個部分呢有關於本席一直關心的我在4月1號的時候在聯席委員會的時候就要求國會要創造一個平台國會已經創造一個平台也就是如何把海外的受險基金引進我看過您的大作\n255219\t280980\t你說受險基金要投入公件有兩大因素一是專案時間二是報酬要穩定但是以受險業來說它就是沒有案源那報酬也不穩定的情況底下那我就教於彭主委這個部分要怎麼處理接下來國發會又要開會了接下來又有平台會議了接下來您的主張是什麼有沒有具體的方式把你學者之見形成一個政策知識啊\n281620\t288911\t這是我努力的方向確實保險業在過去我們大家社會期待這個將近35兆的資金能夠留在臺灣當然臺灣的資本市場還投資標的不夠這是確實的那過去在\n297583\t324509\t在金管會對保險投資的法規鬆綁已經做了非常大的空間但是沒有暗員這也是最近我跟國發會跟其他各個部會非常密集的在那邊討論這件事情我們一定要趕快創造可以被你先腦袋中有沒有具體的解釋比如說我們現在可以類似發債的方式先用比如說我們具有自償性的用發債的方式再來比如說我們把一些公件發債的那個利率呢\n325490\t345230\t對,利率的部分我們可以再來現在銀行利率比發財的利率還低啊他取得資金很容易啊對,這個確實是那再來就是有關一些所謂的我們看看有沒有可能把一些公件部分來做證券化這部分呢我們透過金管會這邊來協助能不能做一些我們就要討論啊對啊\n346991\t370984\t對 這個需要按援 這個按援需要跨部會來處理這個是非常非常重要你可能要再想清楚一點有具體的操作方式會比較可行我覺得這個部分還有有待於你大力的努力將來我們還有機會做進一步的探討還有另外本席一直倡議的所謂的金融科技局你今天在媒體上回應了所謂的金融創新處\n372185\t377239\t但是呢你三個處多一個處剛剛呢有委員問你你的人員編制有沒有增加\n378732\t379653\t主委其實很多事情要先跨出第一步因為\n406235\t434397\t我剛才跟那個委員報告過因為我們現在社局牽動到中央部會的組織我知道人事總署說當中到底還沒有二次機關本席也就有去打聽過了好像空間相對有限但是整個行政院的主改過程當中過往財經部門不曾主改你有沒有印象幾乎這一段時間幾乎不曾主改也就是說你是不是大體來想你是不是思考一個比較長期性的一個政策規劃當中來作為一個思考\n436858\t463710\t因為最近行政院有提出啊要將體育署成格為體育部啊也就是將來還有整體一個主改的計畫嘛當這個主改計畫來臨的時候你就要適時的推出這個整個財經部門金管會的位階是否要提升從會提升為部那部的部分組織的編制就可以增加編制可以增加人員可以增加你的業務推動才有比較有可能順遂的可能嘛是\n464691\t479845\t這個確實是我們長遠的規劃的想法所以說你有期待把這個處變成部囉這個倒不敢我現在是至少未來如果有可能成為先有局先有局這個概念是我們可能未來想要規劃先有局\n480566\t507218\t先有局當然是一個好啊先有處先有局先有部你現在是循序漸進的方式來處理但是這是由下而上的方式也有由上而下的方式啊不是嗎這也是一個思考我們會來講對那你應該做一個整體的規劃嘛創造你這個主改的正當性嘛是不過你一路的哀求人事總處那邊也不一定會施放多少人力給你啊不是嗎我們大家內行的嘛都比較白嘛對不對\n507958\t528334\t啊如果是這樣子你不如由上而下速度會比較快一點啊謝謝可不可以從這邊來進行規劃主委好我覺得這是可以來思考方向對啊你要趕快進行主導而不是隨便弄一個金融創新數來俘虜本席而且最重要的是你後面具體的做法過往啊\n528934\t542500\t在整個金融創新處本席之所以會那麼的care的原因是因為譬如講以我們的沙盒實驗啊我們沙盒實驗都希望業者去啊\n544060\t572341\t將就於既有的法令但是呢卻沒有要求業者去創造一個新的業別的可能性因為你將就既有回應因為跟既有的業者有所競爭嘛我今天很開心你提出你要針對一個沙盒的一個這個創新的這個條例對不對這個是有具體作為的當你有這樣的法的時候你更需要有這樣的人員的編制啊不是嗎那你現在如果通過這個條例之後你的KPI有多少呢\n573041\t583643\t你希望能夠增加多少?最近沙盒實驗裡頭幾乎都沒有成功的案例啊!幾乎啦!所以我們現在會來大力推動我們的三頁的事辦\n584451\t608361\t好那本席期待你的具體的作為我做一個廣泛性的提醒而且這個金融創新書當中還有一個虛擬貨幣的一個問題這虛擬貨幣的部分本席就一再的強調你們不要過度的自我限縮你們不要想要採取深度的監管應該採取廣度的監管也就是說你們現在納入所謂的這一個\n609341\t626909\t那個法尊的申請當中才進行20家左右明明還有60幾家之多主委我請問你一下你有沒有可能進行廣度的一個監管把這個其他業者申請當中你說快速的納入有沒有可能這個部分我們已經透過那個政績局跟櫃買在做審查了我們想說這個我們會趕快來朝向開放\n629150\t642089\t對不對就是因為社會有對納管的這個這樣的期待你既然第一個任務是要打詐的話你這一個問題就不能迴避而且要積極處理第一個本席建議你\n643410\t666829\t那個深度監理要朝向廣度監理這剩下的這幾家在申請當中要趕快讓他擁有這個法證聲明第二個的部分差異性的管理也要OTC的部分、交易所的部分、個人B3的部分都要納管啊這樣的情況底下你才有機會啊再透過這種虛擬貨幣詐騙的部分你再生徹底的防堵徹底的賭詐有沒有可能\n667609\t669570\t有關剛剛講的資料在後補提供\n","txt":"主席謝謝有請新任的彭主委請彭主委\n首先就較於有關新光人壽的這個部分那新光人壽因為這個增資不足被上任的主委黃天牧黃主委進行行政處分而這樣的行政處分呢這個戴保生戴董事長不服他尋求行政救濟那我想要問您的基本立場你是希望維持原處分呢還是希望能夠協助他撤令處\n主委,你回答啦我只想問他是不是真的有來做訴願現在我們是還沒收到他的訴願書但是就是說我們現在是依法來處罰啦那這部分當然人民當然是有訴願的權利我們現在沒有收到他的訴願書我是問您的立場,你是維持原來行政處分還是會協助他撤令處\n如果現在的當然站在金管會立場我們會支持現在的處分一直處分到他爭執為止嗎是是這也是保險法的規定就是RBC的部分呢都不能打折扣就是維持黃天牧、黃龜、彭水這個是保險法的規定我問你是不是這件事情是黃龜、彭水啊這個我們已經金管會已經做出裁處是不是一樣\n黃天牧主委過於強調監管而缺乏發展\n或許外界就對你的期待就希望你將來能夠在發展的面向多出一點力所以你今天特別就金管會方向當中你就特別強調了安全與發展這兩個面向可是我本席在這邊提醒你監管是否太嚴是否要鬆綁是否是要去管制化\n這是要扣合著發展現在外界聽到了您的任命一片叫好充滿期待他們期待什麼他們期待是你鬆綁啊他們期待什麼他們期待你去管制啊他們只期待這個不是期待真正的發展本席想要請問你啊這有關安全跟發展之間的界限啊您能拿捏尺度到底如何你要如何發展你至少講一些基本原則啊你不要讓外界過度的期待嘛好不好\n所以委員的那個提示是非常對就是其實發展並不是去監理化這兩個是雙軌並進就是說我們對市場剛才講對公司的行為監理、公司治理、資本氏族這些沒有放鬆的理由但是呢我們對未來新市場的發展這個還有就是說我們持續的做法規鬆綁\n您的說法是如此但是以金管會現在不賦予啊\n﹗\n所以說我是認為你在這個部分的宣誓應該寫得更講得更清楚不要讓外界有過度的期待可以嗎可以可以好彭主委這個部分希望你能夠講得更清楚更明白另外一個部分呢有關於本席一直關心的我在4月1號的時候在聯席委員會的時候就要求國會要創造一個平台國會已經創造一個平台也就是如何把海外的受險基金引進我看過您的大作\n你說受險基金要投入公件有兩大因素一是專案時間二是報酬要穩定但是以受險業來說它就是沒有案源那報酬也不穩定的情況底下那我就教於彭主委這個部分要怎麼處理接下來國發會又要開會了接下來又有平台會議了接下來您的主張是什麼有沒有具體的方式把你學者之見形成一個政策知識啊\n這是我努力的方向確實保險業在過去我們大家社會期待這個將近35兆的資金能夠留在臺灣當然臺灣的資本市場還投資標的不夠這是確實的那過去在\n在金管會對保險投資的法規鬆綁已經做了非常大的空間但是沒有暗員這也是最近我跟國發會跟其他各個部會非常密集的在那邊討論這件事情我們一定要趕快創造可以被你先腦袋中有沒有具體的解釋比如說我們現在可以類似發債的方式先用比如說我們具有自償性的用發債的方式再來比如說我們把一些公件發債的那個利率呢\n對,利率的部分我們可以再來現在銀行利率比發財的利率還低啊他取得資金很容易啊對,這個確實是那再來就是有關一些所謂的我們看看有沒有可能把一些公件部分來做證券化這部分呢我們透過金管會這邊來協助能不能做一些我們就要討論啊對啊\n對 這個需要按援 這個按援需要跨部會來處理這個是非常非常重要你可能要再想清楚一點有具體的操作方式會比較可行我覺得這個部分還有有待於你大力的努力將來我們還有機會做進一步的探討還有另外本席一直倡議的所謂的金融科技局你今天在媒體上回應了所謂的金融創新處\n但是呢你三個處多一個處剛剛呢有委員問你你的人員編制有沒有增加\n主委其實很多事情要先跨出第一步因為\n我剛才跟那個委員報告過因為我們現在社局牽動到中央部會的組織我知道人事總署說當中到底還沒有二次機關本席也就有去打聽過了好像空間相對有限但是整個行政院的主改過程當中過往財經部門不曾主改你有沒有印象幾乎這一段時間幾乎不曾主改也就是說你是不是大體來想你是不是思考一個比較長期性的一個政策規劃當中來作為一個思考\n因為最近行政院有提出啊要將體育署成格為體育部啊也就是將來還有整體一個主改的計畫嘛當這個主改計畫來臨的時候你就要適時的推出這個整個財經部門金管會的位階是否要提升從會提升為部那部的部分組織的編制就可以增加編制可以增加人員可以增加你的業務推動才有比較有可能順遂的可能嘛是\n這個確實是我們長遠的規劃的想法所以說你有期待把這個處變成部囉這個倒不敢我現在是至少未來如果有可能成為先有局先有局這個概念是我們可能未來想要規劃先有局\n先有局當然是一個好啊先有處先有局先有部你現在是循序漸進的方式來處理但是這是由下而上的方式也有由上而下的方式啊不是嗎這也是一個思考我們會來講對那你應該做一個整體的規劃嘛創造你這個主改的正當性嘛是不過你一路的哀求人事總處那邊也不一定會施放多少人力給你啊不是嗎我們大家內行的嘛都比較白嘛對不對\n啊如果是這樣子你不如由上而下速度會比較快一點啊謝謝可不可以從這邊來進行規劃主委好我覺得這是可以來思考方向對啊你要趕快進行主導而不是隨便弄一個金融創新數來俘虜本席而且最重要的是你後面具體的做法過往啊\n在整個金融創新處本席之所以會那麼的care的原因是因為譬如講以我們的沙盒實驗啊我們沙盒實驗都希望業者去啊\n將就於既有的法令但是呢卻沒有要求業者去創造一個新的業別的可能性因為你將就既有回應因為跟既有的業者有所競爭嘛我今天很開心你提出你要針對一個沙盒的一個這個創新的這個條例對不對這個是有具體作為的當你有這樣的法的時候你更需要有這樣的人員的編制啊不是嗎那你現在如果通過這個條例之後你的KPI有多少呢\n你希望能夠增加多少?最近沙盒實驗裡頭幾乎都沒有成功的案例啊!幾乎啦!所以我們現在會來大力推動我們的三頁的事辦\n好那本席期待你的具體的作為我做一個廣泛性的提醒而且這個金融創新書當中還有一個虛擬貨幣的一個問題這虛擬貨幣的部分本席就一再的強調你們不要過度的自我限縮你們不要想要採取深度的監管應該採取廣度的監管也就是說你們現在納入所謂的這一個\n那個法尊的申請當中才進行20家左右明明還有60幾家之多主委我請問你一下你有沒有可能進行廣度的一個監管把這個其他業者申請當中你說快速的納入有沒有可能這個部分我們已經透過那個政績局跟櫃買在做審查了我們想說這個我們會趕快來朝向開放\n對不對就是因為社會有對納管的這個這樣的期待你既然第一個任務是要打詐的話你這一個問題就不能迴避而且要積極處理第一個本席建議你\n那個深度監理要朝向廣度監理這剩下的這幾家在申請當中要趕快讓他擁有這個法證聲明第二個的部分差異性的管理也要OTC的部分、交易所的部分、個人B3的部分都要納管啊這樣的情況底下你才有機會啊再透過這種虛擬貨幣詐騙的部分你再生徹底的防堵徹底的賭詐有沒有可能\n有關剛剛講的資料在後補提供\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.527 --> 00:09.600\n主席謝謝有請新任的彭主委請彭主委\n\n00:14.955 --> 00:38.960\n首先就較於有關新光人壽的這個部分那新光人壽因為這個增資不足被上任的主委黃天牧黃主委進行行政處分而這樣的行政處分呢這個戴保生戴董事長不服他尋求行政救濟那我想要問您的基本立場你是希望維持原處分呢還是希望能夠協助他撤令處\n\n00:42.492 --> 01:04.226\n主委,你回答啦我只想問他是不是真的有來做訴願現在我們是還沒收到他的訴願書但是就是說我們現在是依法來處罰啦那這部分當然人民當然是有訴願的權利我們現在沒有收到他的訴願書我是問您的立場,你是維持原來行政處分還是會協助他撤令處\n\n01:05.410 --> 01:29.658\n如果現在的當然站在金管會立場我們會支持現在的處分一直處分到他爭執為止嗎是是這也是保險法的規定就是RBC的部分呢都不能打折扣就是維持黃天牧、黃龜、彭水這個是保險法的規定我問你是不是這件事情是黃龜、彭水啊這個我們已經金管會已經做出裁處是不是一樣\n\n01:30.738 --> 01:31.419\n黃天牧主委過於強調監管而缺乏發展\n\n01:47.634 --> 02:11.349\n或許外界就對你的期待就希望你將來能夠在發展的面向多出一點力所以你今天特別就金管會方向當中你就特別強調了安全與發展這兩個面向可是我本席在這邊提醒你監管是否太嚴是否要鬆綁是否是要去管制化\n\n02:12.510 --> 02:40.391\n這是要扣合著發展現在外界聽到了您的任命一片叫好充滿期待他們期待什麼他們期待是你鬆綁啊他們期待什麼他們期待你去管制啊他們只期待這個不是期待真正的發展本席想要請問你啊這有關安全跟發展之間的界限啊您能拿捏尺度到底如何你要如何發展你至少講一些基本原則啊你不要讓外界過度的期待嘛好不好\n\n02:40.871 --> 03:05.001\n所以委員的那個提示是非常對就是其實發展並不是去監理化這兩個是雙軌並進就是說我們對市場剛才講對公司的行為監理、公司治理、資本氏族這些沒有放鬆的理由但是呢我們對未來新市場的發展這個還有就是說我們持續的做法規鬆綁\n\n03:06.101 --> 03:07.682\n您的說法是如此但是以金管會現在不賦予啊\n\n03:45.933 --> 04:14.519\n所以說我是認為你在這個部分的宣誓應該寫得更講得更清楚不要讓外界有過度的期待可以嗎可以可以好彭主委這個部分希望你能夠講得更清楚更明白另外一個部分呢有關於本席一直關心的我在4月1號的時候在聯席委員會的時候就要求國會要創造一個平台國會已經創造一個平台也就是如何把海外的受險基金引進我看過您的大作\n\n04:15.219 --> 04:40.980\n你說受險基金要投入公件有兩大因素一是專案時間二是報酬要穩定但是以受險業來說它就是沒有案源那報酬也不穩定的情況底下那我就教於彭主委這個部分要怎麼處理接下來國發會又要開會了接下來又有平台會議了接下來您的主張是什麼有沒有具體的方式把你學者之見形成一個政策知識啊\n\n04:41.620 --> 04:48.911\n這是我努力的方向確實保險業在過去我們大家社會期待這個將近35兆的資金能夠留在臺灣當然臺灣的資本市場還投資標的不夠這是確實的那過去在\n\n04:57.583 --> 05:24.509\n在金管會對保險投資的法規鬆綁已經做了非常大的空間但是沒有暗員這也是最近我跟國發會跟其他各個部會非常密集的在那邊討論這件事情我們一定要趕快創造可以被你先腦袋中有沒有具體的解釋比如說我們現在可以類似發債的方式先用比如說我們具有自償性的用發債的方式再來比如說我們把一些公件發債的那個利率呢\n\n05:25.490 --> 05:45.230\n對,利率的部分我們可以再來現在銀行利率比發財的利率還低啊他取得資金很容易啊對,這個確實是那再來就是有關一些所謂的我們看看有沒有可能把一些公件部分來做證券化這部分呢我們透過金管會這邊來協助能不能做一些我們就要討論啊對啊\n\n05:46.991 --> 06:10.984\n對這個需要按援這個按援需要跨部會來處理這個是非常非常重要你可能要再想清楚一點有具體的操作方式會比較可行我覺得這個部分還有有待於你大力的努力將來我們還有機會做進一步的探討還有另外本席一直倡議的所謂的金融科技局你今天在媒體上回應了所謂的金融創新處\n\n06:12.185 --> 06:17.239\n但是呢你三個處多一個處剛剛呢有委員問你你的人員編制有沒有增加\n\n06:18.732 --> 06:19.653\n主委其實很多事情要先跨出第一步因為\n\n06:46.235 --> 07:14.397\n我剛才跟那個委員報告過因為我們現在社局牽動到中央部會的組織我知道人事總署說當中到底還沒有二次機關本席也就有去打聽過了好像空間相對有限但是整個行政院的主改過程當中過往財經部門不曾主改你有沒有印象幾乎這一段時間幾乎不曾主改也就是說你是不是大體來想你是不是思考一個比較長期性的一個政策規劃當中來作為一個思考\n\n07:16.858 --> 07:43.710\n因為最近行政院有提出啊要將體育署成格為體育部啊也就是將來還有整體一個主改的計畫嘛當這個主改計畫來臨的時候你就要適時的推出這個整個財經部門金管會的位階是否要提升從會提升為部那部的部分組織的編制就可以增加編制可以增加人員可以增加你的業務推動才有比較有可能順遂的可能嘛是\n\n07:44.691 --> 07:59.845\n這個確實是我們長遠的規劃的想法所以說你有期待把這個處變成部囉這個倒不敢我現在是至少未來如果有可能成為先有局先有局這個概念是我們可能未來想要規劃先有局\n\n08:00.566 --> 08:27.218\n先有局當然是一個好啊先有處先有局先有部你現在是循序漸進的方式來處理但是這是由下而上的方式也有由上而下的方式啊不是嗎這也是一個思考我們會來講對那你應該做一個整體的規劃嘛創造你這個主改的正當性嘛是不過你一路的哀求人事總處那邊也不一定會施放多少人力給你啊不是嗎我們大家內行的嘛都比較白嘛對不對\n\n08:27.958 --> 08:48.334\n啊如果是這樣子你不如由上而下速度會比較快一點啊謝謝可不可以從這邊來進行規劃主委好我覺得這是可以來思考方向對啊你要趕快進行主導而不是隨便弄一個金融創新數來俘虜本席而且最重要的是你後面具體的做法過往啊\n\n08:48.934 --> 09:02.500\n在整個金融創新處本席之所以會那麼的care的原因是因為譬如講以我們的沙盒實驗啊我們沙盒實驗都希望業者去啊\n\n09:04.060 --> 09:32.341\n將就於既有的法令但是呢卻沒有要求業者去創造一個新的業別的可能性因為你將就既有回應因為跟既有的業者有所競爭嘛我今天很開心你提出你要針對一個沙盒的一個這個創新的這個條例對不對這個是有具體作為的當你有這樣的法的時候你更需要有這樣的人員的編制啊不是嗎那你現在如果通過這個條例之後你的KPI有多少呢\n\n09:33.041 --> 09:43.643\n你希望能夠增加多少?最近沙盒實驗裡頭幾乎都沒有成功的案例啊!幾乎啦!所以我們現在會來大力推動我們的三頁的事辦\n\n09:44.451 --> 10:08.361\n好那本席期待你的具體的作為我做一個廣泛性的提醒而且這個金融創新書當中還有一個虛擬貨幣的一個問題這虛擬貨幣的部分本席就一再的強調你們不要過度的自我限縮你們不要想要採取深度的監管應該採取廣度的監管也就是說你們現在納入所謂的這一個\n\n10:09.341 --> 10:26.909\n那個法尊的申請當中才進行20家左右明明還有60幾家之多主委我請問你一下你有沒有可能進行廣度的一個監管把這個其他業者申請當中你說快速的納入有沒有可能這個部分我們已經透過那個政績局跟櫃買在做審查了我們想說這個我們會趕快來朝向開放\n\n10:29.150 --> 10:42.089\n對不對就是因為社會有對納管的這個這樣的期待你既然第一個任務是要打詐的話你這一個問題就不能迴避而且要積極處理第一個本席建議你\n\n10:43.410 --> 11:06.829\n那個深度監理要朝向廣度監理這剩下的這幾家在申請當中要趕快讓他擁有這個法證聲明第二個的部分差異性的管理也要OTC的部分、交易所的部分、個人B3的部分都要納管啊這樣的情況底下你才有機會啊再透過這種虛擬貨幣詐騙的部分你再生徹底的防堵徹底的賭詐有沒有可能\n\n11:07.609 --> 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