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04:06.252\n1905位一年1905位我們連自己到底有多少AI人才我們自己都不知道這是非常危險的這個未來我們這個擔心的地方人才越來越多我們引進的也不夠自己生產的也不夠人才還外流這真的是非常危險我們看一下這個微軟一直說很重要特斯拉也說很重要大家全世界都說很重要\n\n04:06.892 --> 04:34.072\n我們國科會推動海外人才歸國橋接方案,四年來花了四億,只有97人留下來。然後我們國發會發了就業金卡,科技類去年一整年值網路到372人,你沒有聽錯,300不是3000,實在令人非常憂心。請教一下,能不能國發會協同教育部、國科會、數位部等相關部會建立跨部會的AI人力資源現況調查機制,以及多久可以完成這個調查?\n\n04:35.657 --> 04:36.157\n希望三個月內將調查結果公布給本席辦公室\n\n04:55.754 --> 05:20.307\n另外第二個部分本席有個陳情的案例想跟副主委分享某個科技公司想以正職員工的形式聘任某位來台灣就讀大學的外國留學生副主委覺得以現行法規可行嗎?以正職員工聘請麻煩委員再說一次聘請某位來台灣就讀大學的外國留學生是他已經畢業了嗎?\n\n05:25.352 --> 05:47.311\n外國留學生正要畢業應該是要取得學位的我們來看一下依據《就業服務法》第五十條第一款僱主聘任就讀於大專院校的外國留學生工作時間除函暑假之外每星期的總之就是無法用正職方式聘任如果用實習的方式合作呢這個業主就這樣我就這個來了解嘛\n\n05:47.851 --> 06:09.806\n他說這個工作的能力是正職的專業程度,為什麼只能用實習來聘任呢?這對學生不太公平。但受限於法規,這些學生就先以實習的方式參與工作了。那我又再進一步問,也問您,如果這個學生畢業以後能不能用正職來聘任,您覺得畢業以後的聘任可行嗎?\n\n06:10.586 --> 06:35.536\n同樣的情境。當然可以。那我們跟你分享一下。根據《外國人從事就業服務法》第四十條第一項第一款至第六款工作資格及審查標準第五條第二款規定取得國內外大學相關系所之碩士以上學位者或取得系所之學士學位而有兩年以上工作經驗者也就是說這位同學即使在這個工作公司實習兩年實習兩年經驗並不能認為工作資格\n\n06:38.317 --> 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