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00:01:19,080\n報告委員我現在很難用個人意見表達了那我想說剛剛也有委員也提過這個問題我們這會再跟那個就衛福部來協調這個問題主委我為什麼會這樣提我不是要考你我覺得因為這件事情石崇良首長、介茅首長、志投志偉都沒有跟你溝通過他自己根本連試算都還沒有試算過他自己先放一個心目在那裡你們是一個團隊\n\n4\n00:01:23,084 --> 00:01:36,556\n這是我要罵他的地方你要告訴他說你要對外宣布你連試算都沒有試算過你就對外宣布3%對於長期投資的存股戶的影響很大欸2.1臺灣3%對很多人來說是很多的欸\n\n5\n00:01:43,672 --> 00:02:00,877\n所以我覺得這件事情我剛才問說你的態度是什麼你的想法是什麼這個對於未來我覺得各單位牽涉到跟你有關的業務最起碼對你是尊重要先問過我先跟我討論過你才能宣布\n\n6\n00:02:02,535 --> 00:02:18,745\n這我們可能適時來跟衛福部討論一下這個事情我覺得你要跟石崇良講不是你要怎麼樣就怎麼樣你也要讓我有時間跟我存股戶去做溝通吧你要一個預告期我也要知道外面的影響是什麼或者我拜託他說你不要一下調到2.11\n\n7\n00:02:20,626 --> 00:02:47,046\n你是不是談到2點5就好了?所以我剛才才問說你的態度是什麼?因為你的態度去決定你後面怎麼去跟他談這是主委我要提醒您的地方這是第一點主委我看到剛剛很多委員問了很多議題喔那其實都在問你對於整個金管業務的最主要的態度那因為我今天時間不多我就主要我再接續下來問因為我過去也關注到在這段時間我有特別\n\n8\n00:02:47,907 --> 00:02:48,167\n李彥秀\n\n9\n00:03:12,968 --> 00:03:36,320\n財務的表達方式其實都非常重要那這整件事情其實包括加入保險法的加入淨值比之後其實成為RBC比率等量的資本監理基準其實從此財報的影響比資本監理其實更重要那財報其實是以短期限的近變性觀點為基礎\n\n10\n00:03:39,221 --> 00:03:47,586\n所以到底這整件事情是不是能忠實表達受險超長期經營的週期這個是你過去在報紙所討論過的那當中其實你在文章當中也提到包括2008年金融海嘯的影響當時也是我們的受險業其實\n\n11\n00:04:01,395 --> 00:04:30,347\n剛開始獲利非常多但是金融海嘯發生的時候我們9家受險的淨值它是負數後面它馬上又彈回來包括2020年的新冠疫情也是當時2月份的受險的淨值其實是新高後來短短一個月之後整個淨值又跌了5000多億元但是7月它又爬回來所以包括2022年我們大家都知道美國暴力的升息其實也是剛開始影響非常大\n\n12\n00:04:31,047 --> 00:04:58,134\n我舉這三個例子的事件其實都要凸顯說我們短期它可能對於財報有短期的變化但是就長期而言其實並不是如此所以我想就現在您當時的彭教授再回過頭來問你彭主委你到底對於我們資本監理到底應不應該跟IFRS的財報做脫鉤我想請問主委您的意見\n\n13\n00:04:59,174 --> 00:05:14,801\n這個主要的概念是來自於美國的監理我想我以前是會計系的我剛剛上課的時候老師有跟我說過其實會計根據你的使用者不同你的編制的目的跟方法就完全不同像我們的稅務會計跟財務會計就完全是不同\n\n14\n00:05:15,481 --> 00:05:43,224\n那剛才講過IFRS他是做財務會計的表達他主要使用者是投資人但是我們RBC也好監理會計他主要是我們要來做長期清談能力這兩個確實有點差異那這個部分其實在國內在這一塊呢我們確實在我過去在當彭教授的時候確實對這個東西提出很多的看法那我覺得未來若有可能的話我有可能盡量去釐清這兩個的差異然後再來呢\n\n15\n00:05:44,605 --> 00:06:07,614\n主委我相信你來到這邊賴總統也好卓院長也好從業界或從學界找你來其實我覺得他一定有不同的想法希望從過去他們一定從過去你在文章上你在學界你的看法他們才會找你來就你跟過去的黃主委可能有所不同的地方這個不同不一定是\n\n16\n00:06:08,334 --> 00:06:08,474\n李彥秀\n\n17\n00:06:24,098 --> 00:06:43,686\n因為我們都知道說短期的財報其實影響都是多應該是做一個長期穩定受寫我們會希望看到是一個長期穩定的方向就是說以長就短的結果其實短期讓業者看起來有利但是絕對對於他們業界做長期的規劃的決策\n\n18\n00:06:45,126 --> 00:06:46,307\n我覺得這個東西如果未來我覺得我會可能會去持續調整它的內容\n\n19\n00:07:13,123 --> 00:07:22,888\n主委持續的調整我們當作您只有四年的時間好了因為一任四年嘛你會在第幾年做好調整這個隨時動態來做啦對啊\n\n20\n00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,061\n不過是對的事情我們就要持續的做啦\n\n21\n00:07:53,086 --> 00:08:18,037\n你會堅持的做,所以方向上你會做調整也應該朝部份或什麼樣的脫鉤方式我想知道你政策上你走的方向因為當你決定了政策方向在這邊宣布了之後下面的人就會跟著你動你現在說我想想看我思考看看底下就會跟你講主委最好不要這個齁所有的監理指標都是要按照我們真實的狀況來調整我想當然包括鏡子筆\n\n22\n00:08:20,463 --> 00:08:29,558\n最後一個問題因為時間也快到了目前保險業的資本適足性的管理辦法當中有一個禁止比不得低於3%的規範你會不會調整?\n\n23\n00:08:33,479 --> 00:08:53,520\n因為這個是定在保險法裡面它的剛性蠻強但是所以這部分的話我們會或者我應該是這麼說我知道你說剛性很強但是您來您從學界來賴總統找你來我不知道當時你有沒有在他的智囊團裡面或者是卓院長看到你來應該是對你過去的\n\n24\n00:08:55,081 --> 00:08:55,101\n當然﹖\n\n25\n00:09:15,527 --> 00:09:44,573\n這個部分其實我覺得這裡面應該想還是我剛才那句話只要是正確的對市場有利對消費者有利我們都要做啦你目前心中有沒有覆案會不會有其他的政策來去處理就是說他現在規範的淨值比不得低於3%事實上在產業界他們是有不同的經驗我相信在這段時間你走訪了那麼多跟工會做互動你大概都很清楚知道問題在哪裡所以你自己心裡有沒有覆案\n\n26\n00:09:45,293 --> 00:10:06,168\n有想法嗎?或者你現在覺得還不成熟不敢在檯面上講你有想法嗎?當然有想法但我覺得容我把整個方案講得就是能夠比較可行的時候再跟大家報告好所以你有想法有其他想法或其他的政策方向可以去做進行規範跟建立你是有覆案的?有有好主委我期待\n\n27\n00:10:11,448 --> 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所以你有想法有其他想法或其他的政策方向可以去做進行規範跟建立你是有覆案的?有有 好主委我期待\n611448\t627100\t您可以發揮您的專長可以去做一些改變其實我今天還有很多其他政策性的問題要問但今天真的時間太少了謝謝委員的指正謝謝主委也祝福也希望您的想法跟理想能在接下來這四年我們可以看到好好落實謝謝您現場有兩位委員\n","txt":"請彭主委主委好,主委辛苦了也恭喜你有機會從彭教授變成彭主委去落實很多你過去在學界也好還有包括你在報紙上我常常看到你對於金管業務你的看法\n我先問一下簡單的一個議題也是一個外界都會關注的就是上午11年的補充保費制度剛才有其他委員提到就是說現在健保署希望提高補充保費率由現在的2.11%提高到3%我想先請問主委你個人對於這件事情的態度你的意見是什麼\n報告委員我現在很難用個人意見表達了那我想說剛剛也有委員也提過這個問題我們這會再跟那個就衛福部來協調這個問題主委我為什麼會這樣提我不是要考你我覺得因為這件事情石崇良首長、介茅首長、志投志偉都沒有跟你溝通過他自己根本連試算都還沒有試算過他自己先放一個心目在那裡你們是一個團隊\n這是我要罵他的地方你要告訴他說你要對外宣布你連試算都沒有試算過你就對外宣布3%對於長期投資的存股戶的影響很大欸2.1 臺灣 3%對很多人來說是很多的欸\n所以我覺得這件事情我剛才問說你的態度是什麼你的想法是什麼這個對於未來我覺得各單位牽涉到跟你有關的業務最起碼對你是尊重要先問過我先跟我討論過你才能宣布\n這我們可能適時來跟衛福部討論一下這個事情我覺得你要跟石崇良講不是你要怎麼樣就怎麼樣你也要讓我有時間跟我存股戶去做溝通吧你要一個預告期我也要知道外面的影響是什麼或者我拜託他說你不要一下調到2.11\n你是不是談到2點5就好了?所以我剛才才問說你的態度是什麼?因為你的態度去決定你後面怎麼去跟他談這是主委我要提醒您的地方這是第一點主委我看到剛剛很多委員問了很多議題喔那其實都在問你對於整個金管業務的最主要的態度那因為我今天時間不多我就主要我再接續下來問因為我過去也關注到在這段時間我有特別\n李彥秀\n財務的表達方式其實都非常重要那這整件事情其實包括加入保險法的加入淨值比之後其實成為RBC比率等量的資本監理基準其實從此財報的影響比資本監理其實更重要那財報其實是以短期限的近變性觀點為基礎\n所以到底這整件事情是不是能忠實表達受險超長期經營的週期這個是你過去在報紙所討論過的那當中其實你在文章當中也提到包括2008年金融海嘯的影響當時也是我們的受險業其實\n剛開始獲利非常多但是金融海嘯發生的時候我們9家受險的淨值它是負數後面它馬上又彈回來包括2020年的新冠疫情也是當時2月份的受險的淨值其實是新高後來短短一個月之後整個淨值又跌了5000多億元但是7月它又爬回來所以包括2022年我們大家都知道美國暴力的升息其實也是剛開始影響非常大\n我舉這三個例子的事件其實都要凸顯說我們短期它可能對於財報有短期的變化但是就長期而言其實並不是如此所以我想就現在您當時的彭教授再回過頭來問你彭主委你到底對於我們資本監理到底應不應該跟IFRS的財報做脫鉤我想請問主委您的意見\n這個主要的概念是來自於美國的監理我想我以前是會計系的我剛剛上課的時候老師有跟我說過其實會計根據你的使用者不同你的編制的目的跟方法就完全不同像我們的稅務會計跟財務會計就完全是不同\n那剛才講過IFRS他是做財務會計的表達他主要使用者是投資人但是我們RBC也好監理會計他主要是我們要來做長期清談能力這兩個確實有點差異那這個部分其實在國內在這一塊呢我們確實在我過去在當彭教授的時候確實對這個東西提出很多的看法那我覺得未來若有可能的話我有可能盡量去釐清這兩個的差異然後再來呢\n主委我相信你來到這邊賴總統也好卓院長也好從業界或從學界找你來其實我覺得他一定有不同的想法希望從過去他們一定從過去你在文章上你在學界你的看法他們才會找你來就你跟過去的黃主委可能有所不同的地方這個不同不一定是\n李彥秀\n因為我們都知道說短期的財報其實影響都是多應該是做一個長期穩定受寫我們會希望看到是一個長期穩定的方向就是說以長就短的結果其實短期讓業者看起來有利但是絕對對於他們業界做長期的規劃的決策\n我覺得這個東西如果未來我覺得我會可能會去持續調整它的內容\n主委持續的調整我們當作您只有四年的時間好了因為一任四年嘛你會在第幾年做好調整這個隨時動態來做啦對啊\n不過是對的事情我們就要持續的做啦\n你會堅持的做,所以方向上你會做調整也應該朝部份或什麼樣的脫鉤方式我想知道你政策上你走的方向因為當你決定了政策方向在這邊宣布了之後下面的人就會跟著你動你現在說我想想看我思考看看底下就會跟你講主委最好不要這個齁所有的監理指標都是要按照我們真實的狀況來調整我想當然包括鏡子筆\n最後一個問題因為時間也快到了目前保險業的資本適足性的管理辦法當中有一個禁止比不得低於3%的規範你會不會調整?\n因為這個是定在保險法裡面它的剛性蠻強但是所以這部分的話我們會或者我應該是這麼說我知道你說剛性很強但是您來您從學界來賴總統找你來我不知道當時你有沒有在他的智囊團裡面或者是卓院長看到你來應該是對你過去的\n當然﹖\n這個部分其實我覺得這裡面應該想還是我剛才那句話只要是正確的對市場有利對消費者有利我們都要做啦你目前心中有沒有覆案會不會有其他的政策來去處理就是說他現在規範的淨值比不得低於3%事實上在產業界他們是有不同的經驗我相信在這段時間你走訪了那麼多跟工會做互動你大概都很清楚知道問題在哪裡所以你自己心裡有沒有覆案\n有想法嗎?或者你現在覺得還不成熟不敢在檯面上講你有想法嗎?當然有想法但我覺得容我把整個方案講得就是能夠比較可行的時候再跟大家報告好 所以你有想法有其他想法或其他的政策方向可以去做進行規範跟建立你是有覆案的?有有 好主委我期待\n您可以發揮您的專長可以去做一些改變其實我今天還有很多其他政策性的問題要問但今天真的時間太少了謝謝委員的指正謝謝主委也祝福也希望您的想法跟理想能在接下來這四年我們可以看到好好落實謝謝您現場有兩位委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.610 --> 00:05.714\n請彭主委主委好,主委辛苦了也恭喜你有機會從彭教授變成彭主委去落實很多你過去在學界也好還有包括你在報紙上我常常看到你對於金管業務你的看法\n\n00:27.794 --> 00:52.310\n我先問一下簡單的一個議題也是一個外界都會關注的就是上午11年的補充保費制度剛才有其他委員提到就是說現在健保署希望提高補充保費率由現在的2.11%提高到3%我想先請問主委你個人對於這件事情的態度你的意見是什麼\n\n00:53.632 --> 01:19.080\n報告委員我現在很難用個人意見表達了那我想說剛剛也有委員也提過這個問題我們這會再跟那個就衛福部來協調這個問題主委我為什麼會這樣提我不是要考你我覺得因為這件事情石崇良首長、介茅首長、志投志偉都沒有跟你溝通過他自己根本連試算都還沒有試算過他自己先放一個心目在那裡你們是一個團隊\n\n01:23.084 --> 01:36.556\n這是我要罵他的地方你要告訴他說你要對外宣布你連試算都沒有試算過你就對外宣布3%對於長期投資的存股戶的影響很大欸2.1臺灣3%對很多人來說是很多的欸\n\n01:43.672 --> 02:00.877\n所以我覺得這件事情我剛才問說你的態度是什麼你的想法是什麼這個對於未來我覺得各單位牽涉到跟你有關的業務最起碼對你是尊重要先問過我先跟我討論過你才能宣布\n\n02:02.535 --> 02:18.745\n這我們可能適時來跟衛福部討論一下這個事情我覺得你要跟石崇良講不是你要怎麼樣就怎麼樣你也要讓我有時間跟我存股戶去做溝通吧你要一個預告期我也要知道外面的影響是什麼或者我拜託他說你不要一下調到2.11\n\n02:20.626 --> 02:47.046\n你是不是談到2點5就好了?所以我剛才才問說你的態度是什麼?因為你的態度去決定你後面怎麼去跟他談這是主委我要提醒您的地方這是第一點主委我看到剛剛很多委員問了很多議題喔那其實都在問你對於整個金管業務的最主要的態度那因為我今天時間不多我就主要我再接續下來問因為我過去也關注到在這段時間我有特別\n\n02:47.907 --> 02:48.167\n李彥秀\n\n03:12.968 --> 03:36.320\n財務的表達方式其實都非常重要那這整件事情其實包括加入保險法的加入淨值比之後其實成為RBC比率等量的資本監理基準其實從此財報的影響比資本監理其實更重要那財報其實是以短期限的近變性觀點為基礎\n\n03:39.221 --> 03:47.586\n所以到底這整件事情是不是能忠實表達受險超長期經營的週期這個是你過去在報紙所討論過的那當中其實你在文章當中也提到包括2008年金融海嘯的影響當時也是我們的受險業其實\n\n04:01.395 --> 04:30.347\n剛開始獲利非常多但是金融海嘯發生的時候我們9家受險的淨值它是負數後面它馬上又彈回來包括2020年的新冠疫情也是當時2月份的受險的淨值其實是新高後來短短一個月之後整個淨值又跌了5000多億元但是7月它又爬回來所以包括2022年我們大家都知道美國暴力的升息其實也是剛開始影響非常大\n\n04:31.047 --> 04:58.134\n我舉這三個例子的事件其實都要凸顯說我們短期它可能對於財報有短期的變化但是就長期而言其實並不是如此所以我想就現在您當時的彭教授再回過頭來問你彭主委你到底對於我們資本監理到底應不應該跟IFRS的財報做脫鉤我想請問主委您的意見\n\n04:59.174 --> 05:14.801\n這個主要的概念是來自於美國的監理我想我以前是會計系的我剛剛上課的時候老師有跟我說過其實會計根據你的使用者不同你的編制的目的跟方法就完全不同像我們的稅務會計跟財務會計就完全是不同\n\n05:15.481 --> 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